#arguably gendo comes closer to it than john (the whole show is shinji's elaborate song and dance for his daddy) but still not on that level

[iphisesque]

they are both bad people (gendo far more than john imo) and deadbeat fathers who abandoned their children to fend for themselves and explicitly or implicitly sexually abused one of them. but NEITHER of them has the presence the constance the stability the ambition the will it takes to become more than just a really shitty deadbeat and instead transcend into the overly-present abusive father like logan

gendo ikari could do john winchester and john winchester could do gendo ikari but neither of them could do logan roy