#anyway this is probably as thinly disguised as my character meta gets

[galacticlamps]

im sorry im sorry im sorry i know it’s been well over a year but i accidentally thought about Short Trips: Deleted Scenes (again) and it’s killing me (again) so i think im just gonna go ahead and post all these stupid thoughts that have been plaguing me about it since i first heard it & maybe that’ll help clear up some space in my head for like, real life things.

Spoilers I guess? It’s like a year and a half old but also high key the most recent 2nd doctor content i believe we’ve gotten which is like, the only negative thing I can say about it

The TLDR version is this:

I literally cant believe how sweet it is? Painful, but sweet. Like. I don’t honestly know what’s more likely - did they set out to write Jamie a nice little straight love interest and just fail miserably at it by constantly likening her to the Doctor AND paralleling the Doctor’s perspective with her ex’s AND putting Jamie’s relationships with both of them in direct tension with each other while constantly letting his with the Doctor win out?

OR - did they do a very 1960s thing and say hey we’re gonna write what’s essentially a story about how much Jamie and the Doctor love each other and release it on Valentine’s Day thinly disguised as a one-off romance with a french lady?

Now, as a general rule, my attitude toward questions like that is usually “don’t know, don’t care, doesn’t matter” - and while I 100% stand by that, I also have to admit that this particular audio seems to pay enough attention to detail that I’d kind of think I was selling it short if I assumed too many of these things were just meaningless coincidences, you know?

Anyway, that’s the most coherent/overarching thought. And here’s a disorganized list of things I absolutely cannot get over about it (they don’t form any kind of argument, mind, they just all happen to live rent free in my head):

- Celine is first taken in by Jamie being an idiot (specifically him claiming not to speak French, in perfect French); likewise, her entrance in the scene where they actually kiss is marked with a little anecdote about her hat getting stuck on a doornail and her scolding it as she attempts to fix her un-tameable appearance, and the narration says Celine “would often clown for Jamie like this” - all of which, while undeniably adorable, don’t exactly strike me as entirely original traits to have been assigned to Jamie’s love-interest (but also Celine is so cool and her perspective on film/media/time is an excellent addition to the long list of dr who characters)

- When they’re in the present, describing Jamie’s relationship with Celine in 1908, they call him her “companion” and highlight his going nearly everywhere with her, which earns a laugh from the 4th doctor (and me as well, though probably for slightly different reasons - but like, is that really all it takes to have a fling with someone in 60′s era who? bc if so...)

- Celine’s ex-fiance is still in love with her and is jealously watching when she kisses Jamie ... and then the Doctor appears beside him, evidently doing the exact. same. thing. They have the following conversation:

“You know, it’s not prudent to spy on people. But then, people in pain can’t be expected to act prudently.”

“Pain, monsieur? You mistake me.”

“Ah, do I? Good, because I rather thought you’d lost something.”

“What would you know about loss monsieur?”

- I’m sorry doc but who do you think you are, saying stuff like that and smiling sadly at the floor to boot? I 100% had to pause it here the first time I listened, just to not throw my laptop across the room. 

- Then when I recovered continued, the Doctor closes the door so they can’t watch anymore and explains “Possessing things comes so terribly easily to some men that losing them can feel cruel, intolerably cruel. In my experience, only the very best of men cannot be tempted to answer that cruelty with more - I do sincerely hope that you are the best of men.” (guess who gets described as the best of men by the end of the audio?)

- Jamie and the Doctor apparently develop a habit of walking along the river in Paris in silence

- During one such walk, Jamie suggests Celine come with them since she already figured out about the Tardis - and when the Doctor’s worried by this, he says he only allowed Jamie & Celine to grow closer “because of Victoria.” Jamie takes offense at the ‘allowing it’ comment and also refuses to admit he knows what the Doctor means about Victoria, which leads the Doctor to say that he knows how fond Jamie was of her - he was too, of course, but with him, “it was different, wasn’t it?” Jamie only says maybe that’s true and maybe that’s not, but his voice catches until he changes the subject

- Jamie doesn’t see Celine for days both times that she’s recovering from the shock and depression of her work being destroyed. In contrast, when the Doctor’s not well, Jamie’s "afraid” and “guilty” and hardly seems to leave his side at all, if his being there “rushing to embrace him” the second he wakes up - after a period Jamie describes as “at least a week” - is anything to go by, anyway. so either bf writers need to learn how to write a committed straight relationship or admit that’s not what they ever intended in the first place

- Oh yeah, and the Doctor spends that week "asleep” in Jamie’s bedroom - no, there’s no explanation as to if that’s where he was when he first collapsed or if it’s where Jamie decided to take him bc why would they feel the need to explain him being there? why was it even relevant to tell us it was Jamie’s room in the first place?

- The Doctor somehow manages to control the Tardis enough to take Celine on one trip to an alien planet and then return to the correct time & place for her to use the footage she recorded there in her new film - and while the audio doesn’t do very much to explain how that was possible, it does treat this as A Pretty Big Deal, and immediately afterward the Doctor has to spend a week communing with his past self (and/or the Tardis?) debating how likely it is that the Time Lords could use this to trace him. When he decides it’s not worth the risk and they have to stop the film from ever being shown to the public, Jamie asks why he agreed to it in the first place, and all he can say is “Because, Jamie, you asked me to!” earning awkward stares from the crowd.

- Oh, but, lest we forget, that little outburst is also immediately followed by him putting his arm around Jamie’s shoulders, and, shockingly, apparently beginning to actually explain the truth about the danger from the Time Lords - until they’re interrupted, of course idk why exactly but the idea of a 60s dr wanting to come clean with a companion but not being allowed to bc the show demands the war games be something of a reveal hurts me in a very good way

- The mental image of “the Doctor and Jamie, resplendent in borrowed evening wear”

- The audio admitting that Jamie’s not very good at subterfuge, and the Doctor asking if he’s going to be alright with them having to steal the film back from Celine - and Jamie’s little “Aye, Doctor” as he feels a ‘glass arrow piercing his chest’ glad to see bf is reading all my letters about exactly how i feel any time something sad happens to james robert mccrimmon

- The Doctor’s anxious to get out of there for obvious reasons, but he hangs around bc Jamie wants to see Celine again - which doesn’t happen, because of her aforementioned shock & depression, but she does leave Jamie a note that ends “you and that Doctor of yours - look after him Jamie, he loves you dearly, as do I.” yeah, if you didn’t want people to draw a parallel there, you could’ve picked, like, any other wording in the world.

- In case you weren’t fully convinced I’ve been reading too much into this whole audio already, consider this: Celine dies in Long Island in 1968, three days before her birthday - 1968 is when this story would’ve taken place in the show’s history (between Fury & Wheel), and dying three days before/after a birthday in America seems a bit... well I had some deja vu from it, anyway

- Four of all people being the one to bring back the film - I know he does it bc Sarah Jane makes him, but personally, I often feel like despite the length of his run, 4 is the Doctor with which we might’ve gotten the fewest glimpses into his interiority, so the fact that it’s him and not one of the more overtly sentimental Doctors makes it feel like it carries even more weight somehow, to me anyway. I think I wrote a post saying roughly the same thing about 4 & Fate of Krelos/Return to Telos but maybe I only did that inside my own head lol. Still, I’m all for any opportunities for Jamie to be one of the few characters to draw some noticeable emotion out of Four, but in fairness I haven’t touched too much of his EU stuff to really be able to compare the frequency with which this happens with other past companions

- Is Four referring to Two or Jamie when he says he got the film from “an old family friend”? Two did the actual stealing, but he probably means Jamie’s involvement - either way, it’s an interesting way of describing old companions - or selves?

- When Jemima goes to call Jamie a thief, Four is “roused” to defend him: “he really was the very best of men” again, any time four freely shows he cares about someone, im over the moon about it

- Oh ha ha, there’s an audio called “Deleted Scenes” featuring the Doctor who’s most affected by junked episodes. And at the end of it, a character who’s spent her life researching and lecturing about a lost film gets to watch it be ‘rediscovered’ after it’s gone unseen for decades. I feel marginally less stupid for reading into the other details of a story like this when it ends up deciding to be to be clever & slightly meta like that

But yeah

all in all, it’s kind of amazing to me that this genuinely reads like they sat down and said okay boys it’s valentines day, let’s write an audio where jamie kisses a girl, since that hasn’t happened except as a plot device in one story in 1967 - but then when they got down to business they accidentally(?) wrote a story all about how important his bond with the Doctor is and how easily that can be compared to a legitimate love interest (even if the love interest in question is a one off character & the extent of the relationship appears to be like one kiss & then having Jamie spend most of his time around the Doctor instead)

I realize there’s something slightly illogical about writing the words “shipping aside” after a post like this but seriously - no matter how many categories you’re able to see two & jamie’s relationship fitting into, this is 40 minutes of big finish just hitting you over the head with how powerful/special/important that relationship is, and with them being two of my favorite characters, i really haven’t been able to stop thinking about it since

[anghraine]

🌟🌟🌟 I love your writing!! Please tell us more about it😁

Ahh, I missed this when it was originally sent, for this meme. Let me see. I’m going to do two that sort of go together:

For tolerably well acquainted, an expansion of Elizabeth’s process of falling in love in P&P:

Some people, had they known, might question whether he ever truly loved her, to misunderstand her as he had, propose to her as he had. Elizabeth was not one of them. Though disinclined to overlook either his assumptions or his proposal, she could not doubt that she was dear to him—not with his letter carefully preserved, and so often re-read. The humblest declaration would not have persuaded her of love more than did the final words of that letter.

But was she dear to him even now?

And for Revenge of the Jedi, an AU of Return of the Jedi and (consequently) the prequels that follows the original ideas for ROTJ, particularly a) Luke and Leia not being siblings, and Leia getting drawn into the concerns of the surviving Alderaanians, and b) Anakin getting a gradual, extended redemption arc.

“No! A Jedi you are, nearly. Your duty is to the Force. To defense, not attack. Never attack. Defend your life and others’, you must, yes. Sometimes at a great price. But no more.”

“I understand,” said Luke, meaning it. After the removal from Yavin, he’d discovered that a million Imperial soldiers and officers had died on the Death Star. He’d also discovered that over eight billion Imperial citizens had died on Alderaan.

Any number of star systems would have shared Alderaan’s fate if his aim had faltered. Every pilot in the Rebellion had fought in the defense of billions if not trillions of innocent people that day, and he still couldn’t regret his success.

The first was written a few weeks ago. The second was written eight and a half years ago. But they’re doing something similar, which I do … reasonably often in fanfic.

Okay, so. For me, what I do in lit studies and what I do when I write fanfic are not … the same, but sometimes not all that different either. Because writing characters requires interpreting them—some level of engagement with the source. That’s where concern with IC representation of a character comes from—it’s basically “you’re adhering to a reasonable interpretation.”

Original fiction engages with wider media trends and sometimes specific works, too, but not anywhere near so directly as fanfic and meta. And so it’s pretty easy for my fic to have moments like the two above, which are thinly-disguised meta on popular discussions in fandom. 

The first is about the pretty frequent assertion that Darcy didn’t really love Elizabeth at his first proposal but was just sexually attracted to her/wanted to possess her/whatever the fuck, which I think is an extreme oversimplification at best, esp given the second proposal and the complexity of the letter. More importantly, though, it ignores Elizabeth’s own opinion; she unequivocally thinks that he loved her.

So this phase of the story seemed a relatively natural place for her canonical belief in his love to come up, since she thinks about it so much already. But it’s … as natural as I can make SO ABOUT THIS ARGUMENT THAT I REALLY DISAGREE WITH, which is “not very.”

The second passage is about the very weird hang-wringing over how many Imperials Luke killed when he blew up the Death Star, and how terrible it is that he doesn’t feel bad about it, as if it weren’t a valid military target that he attacked to prevent further genocides than the one just perpetrated. As above, I tried to fit the reflection on it into a situation where it might naturally come to mind for him, and I think it probably fits a bit better (the fic as a whole is already very meta-ish), but … eh.

In any case, meta (and especially contrarian meta) transplanted directly into fic is definitely part of the Anghraine™ Brand. And I’m okay with doing it! (lbr, people mostly follow me for meta rather than fic anyway.)

I do have similar drives with original fic—that is, there are things that I bring in because I have Opinions on trends or instances, but I tend to be less direct about it. Maybe because the original fic is more immersive in some ways? There are things like “it’s a matriarchy but neither a utopic or dystopic one, those irritate me” going on at my end, but I don’t actually say so, because it would be very unnatural for the characters to think of it in those terms. Fanfic has a smidgen more distance.

[vaalkyrja-blog]

// Meta ! Talk about sexism that may or may not exist within the Zofian knights, or Zofia as a whole, and how Mathilda handles it.

meta requests

the game says it better than i can. ( also this is long [ who’s surprised ] so under a read more it goes )

fernand & clair memory prism

fernand: “you know, it still confounds me that you decided to enlist with the knights. your father is too lenient with you. always has been.”

clair: “and why shouldn’t i be a knight!? i wield a lance and ride a horse as well as the best of you. perhaps even better. why else would they allow me to join? heavens, you and my brother were the ones who TAUGHT me to fight and ride.”

fernand: “because you harangued us without end. you always were keen on following clive. honestly, we assumed it was a phase you would grow out of. you should be looking for a husband, not brandishing a weapon. unless to expect to meet your soulmate on the battlefield?

clair: […] pursuing a warrior’s path does not doom me to a life of spinsterhood.

fernand & clive memory prism

clive: “i fear my mother has about given up on my dear sister. she worries she’ll never marry her off into a proper family. if clair hears you’ve joined the knights, shes liable to try and follow. she does abhor being left behind…”

fernand: “ha ha ha! i’ve no doubt clair will come to her senses. she’s at the age where girls learn to embroider and be demure. she’ll soon realize it best to leave the kingdom to us men.”

clive: “embroidery needles are just weapons to her.”

zofia is very sexist. very. and the knights are likely even more so, given that it’s a community of entirely ( or at least mostly ) men who are more concerned than the average with displaying martial strength, which is viewed as a strictly masculine trait. as we see from fernand’s commentary, noblewomen in zofia are expected to be “demure”, and to leave matters of leadership ( meaning state, in his dialogue, but also clearly military leadership ) to men. they are expected to learn to defer to men’s desires, and if they continue to exhibit a strong will as clair does, they are seen as being maladjusted. 

it’s clear that a noblewoman’s primary goal in life, after learning traditionally feminine trades such as “embroidery”, as mentioned here and, we can assume, everything else that has typically been associated with femininity, should be to secure a suitable marriage. in such a patriarchal society, women are tokens to be “married off”, as clive puts it. given that, in his a support with mathilda, clive also mentions that the husband being his wife’s “lord” is — in his view — an “old-fashioned notion”, we can also assume that men are seen to be socially superior to women as well, in any context.

we see more examples of women being traditionally viewed as beings of service or decoration elsewhere in SoV. slayde, for example, asks a young tobin if he has any older sisters, and states that they can serve him the food and drink when he arrives at the village. in her memory prism with clive, mathilda also remarks that she “abhors walking the castle like some pretty bauble”, implying that noble women are commonly objects to be admired aesthetically as ornamentation at gatherings.

given this, it seems interesting that women should be allowed to pursue a knighthood at all, and yet clair doesn’t appear to have had much difficulty getting a position as a knight. i don’t believe that mathilda was likely the first lady to have been made a knight, but considering that her character endings emphasize how she is remembered as the “famous female knight”, it does seem that the occurrence is very rare, and i am willing to bet that mathilda is the first lady knight in a very long time, especially given that she exhibits such extraordinary skill, greatly surpassing the men around her.

this brings me to my next aspect of sexism within the knighthood: that lady knights, even if they should make it into the knighthood on merit, are frequently underestimated and dismissed by their compatriots. this doesn’t come as much of a surprise, and i imagine that mathilda has heard her fair share of “oh you’re pretty good for a girl” or “you only beat me because i wasn’t prepared to fight a girl” and other such sexist remarks thinly disguised as sideways compliments. these are probably what make her the most angry because it’s difficult to take offense at them without inciting some self-righteous “i was complimenting you!” reply, usually accompanied by some implication that women are super emotional and quick to fly off the handle. 

( this latter stereotype is, in my hc, what’s also contributed to her expressly developing — and putting forward — a calm, rational demeanor, being known as the ‘voice of reason’, which is something else, as clive tells us, that is celebrated in men but not expected of women. as soon as she displays too much emotion, men are quick to take her far less seriously. )

mathilda herself remarks on how, even as a knight, she is still largely only admired and objectified for her appearance. clive says “what do you think lights the fires of a boy’s heart? a stoic old man… or a beautiful woman?”, to which mathilda replies “ha ha! the fires would sputter out if the lads actually saw me in combat.” i talked about this line before, but we can see that she’s accustomed to being objectified even as a martial figure — kind of like the “hot female knight” trope — but as soon as she actually shows a guy up in battle, he feels emasculated and vulnerable. 

i think that, when mathilda was younger, she was a lot more sensitive to sexism from those around her — it was probably just near constant for her, and she naturally developed a defensive reaction to it in her youth and early years in the knighthood. however, i think compared to life at home and at courtly functions, she still vastly preferred being with the knights in the castle, because even if some of the men were pigs, there was no denying her skill. she did prove herself on merit alone, even if it took a long time and she received a lot of backlash for it. clive does talk about how she’s sung about as “the finest knight in zofia”, so eventually, hard work paid off. 

by the time she meets clive in the knighthood, she’s still quick to perceive sexist undertones, such as her comment discussed above. by this memory prism, though, she’s already fairly well-established in her position, and as we see from just the opening line of the prism, is clearly clive’s superior officer in both rank and experience. i do think that spending more time with clive and being with him mellows her even more with time, though. by SoV, she’s the self-assured woman we see who barely has a regard for others’ remarks unless they’re blatantly in her face, because she’s already been acknowledged and has found her place, and really just doesn’t need anyone else’s bullshit.

one thing i do headcanon though is that sexism is the direct reason why mathilda was not made the leader of the deliverance. despite being clearly a better fighter than clive, and his superior among the knights, and being the one who came up with the idea in the first place, it is clive who takes up the mantle of leadership, and him who everyone defers to foremost. i imagine that they discussed this, and originally, he had wanted her to lead, but there was likely a lot of backlash against the idea from a theoretical perspective. 

seeing as the deliverance’s purpose was to restore the old, traditional order, they couldn’t easily do something as radical as have a woman lead and expect to uphold traditional values at the same time. secondly, it was also just a matter of cohesion. more people were likely to rally under a banner led by a man. in patriarchal zofia, that’s just the way it is. and there would be less dissension in the ranks, as well. overall, it was just easier this way. given fernand’s prejudiced ideals and the fact that he was one of the first members of the deliverance, i also don’t imagine he would have been okay with mathilda leading, which was probably a big factor in why she passed the mantle onto clive. 

was she disappointed? i don’t think she was angry that she had to give up the command. she’s not an ambitious person for her own gain, and as long as the cause was something she supported, she found the liberation of zofia to be the most important thing here, not whether she was in charge of it. was she annoyed by the fact that this had to be the case because of established social norms? yeah, probably. but they had bigger fish to fry at the time, and she was content to do what she could. ( besides, it’s not like clive didn’t still kind of defer to her anyway, probably, at least in the beginning. )

[theminecraftbee]

task: answer the following question. do you believe in curses? respond as completely with relevant information as possible.

Grian: Well, that's a lie. This isn't a task. I know it's not a task, I set the things up! Not sure why we're getting a question as pointless as this one, but sure, mysterious scroll, I'll answer. There's no such thing as curses, unless you're Timmy, in which case it's funny, yeah? Besides, I didn't actually kill Etho. Even if that did count, self-fulfilling prophecies aren't the same thing as curses, and I know which one I fall under.

Joel: Do I believe in bloody curses what kind of question is that? Do I really get hearts just for answering this? This feels like a prank or something... well, whatever. There are no such thing as curses, except the Boogeyman curse, which I sort of had today, but it wasn't actually the same at all. A lot of the bloodlust, sure, but a lot more... Etho had to be the one to do it, huh? And it's not the same. Not comforting. That's a stupid thing to say actually. Take it out of wherever you're putting this. Cut it out of the recording. Comforting. Please. As if it were ever... Yeah, I'm done actually. Don't have a good answer. Go away.

Scott: What, other than Jimmy? Bless that man, he may not have died first, but he sure tried his best. Sure, I'll believe Jimmy is cursed. I mean, mostly he's just kind of stupid. Lovingly so. I mean, despite him being stupid, I put up with him, right? That seems like a complete answer to this question. Jimmy's an omen but we put up with him anyway. That's all.

Mumbo: NO RESPONSE GIVEN.

Pearl: Oh, I mean, I'm probably cursed. That's what everyone liked to say at one point. I think... I mean, I think this time I have good friends, which is nice. They don't think I'm cursed. And it's not like I--I mean, it's surprisingly fun, acting cursed! And I am just acting. Acting scary, blowing up dance floors, all of that. And I don't really have to this time, so... Maybe I'm not cursed? And since it's acting, it's not real? This is a weird question.

Etho: Oh, man, that's a question. Um, do I have to answer? Because I feel like if I say no, that's really just asking for it, but if I say yes, I have to explain myself. Uh, I think I'm abstaining, unless the zombie thing from earlier counts. That was scary and I hated it. Curses are scary and I hate them in general, but apparently I'm good at them, if you ask everyone else. Um, it's not the only thing I find scary that apparently I'm good at.

Scar: Why, of course I believe in curses! Look at poor, poor... Timbert? Timmy? Jim? Gosh, sorry, I'm very tired right now. That's more proof of curses, by the way! That I'm tired. I've been tired straight since the desert, let me tell you what. And that, my friends, is a curse like no other. What a terrible beast, loneliness is. Wish me luck breaking it, because it's not happening this season!

Cleo: Oh, you mean the thing people like to blame instead of their own actions? Nah. My soulbond was kind of a curse, I guess, but even that's at least half just... bad people. Bad relationships. Good ones, too. We're all just doing what you can, you know? No script, no curses, no characters, just... Oh, I hope everything turns out tomorrow. Sorry, that's unrelated. It's just nicer to hope than to preemptively blame things on curses that don't exist.

Impulse: Well, I mean, I didn't until you just asked me that, but now I feel like I should. Wouldn't that be nice? Being cursed instead of just sort of unlovable? Sorry, no, that's mean to Gem. I shouldn't say that about Gem, she's been good this season. Super, super cursed, mind you, in the like, game mechanic sense? But she's been good, no backstabbing or inability to get love involved. Um, and I guess that's not fair to Bdubs, kind of, except it also totally is and I haven't forgiven him. So I guess if they ask I said I believed in curses, and that's why my life keeps circling clocks? Don't put any of that other stuff down, I'm trying to work on that.

Lizzie: NO RESPONSE GIVEN.

Gem: I was just cursed for a task, but that probably isn't what you're asking about, right? I'm new, so I don't know! A task is a concrete thing to believe in, like bloodshed or victory or fun and games. You don't have to believe in those to know they're real, either! They just are, whether you like it or not. I understand that much!

Tango: Gah, don't talk to me about... Deep breaths. Look, I don't care if it's a curse, or if it's just me being really bad, or what, I'm not going out pointlessly this time. Jimmy managed not to die first, I can manage to not go out to a stray arrow or my own bomb or a misstep this time, right? Is that so much to ask?

Skizz: Huh? Curses? I mean, I don't think so, and to be totally honest I think it's kind of mean the way people sometimes rag on people about them. Everyone's got so many good things about them! Why do people like to focus on the unfortunate luck, huh?

Bdubs: Hah! Curses! Let me tell you about curses. When I see curses, I eat them for breakfast. I don't got curses, I've got better things to do! I've got my buddies with the Mounders, and I've got-well, I'd say keeping Etho safe, but he's being weird at me again this season. Not that it matters. It never matters. Etho and I, we're... The point is, that doesn't matter anyway, because I have the Mounders, and they're the ones who matter here. And because I'm a strong, independent Bdubs, who doesn't need anyone but my bow and my perfect, flawless fighting prowess! Sorry, what was the question? I've been thinking so much lately that it's just sort of made everything else pop out of my head, so it's hard to keep track. I'm sure I answered it flawlessly, though.

Martyn: Of course there are curses. That's half the fun for you lot, isn't it? Putting your little curses on us and watching us rail against them. Bet you think it's real cute to ask us what we think of the things, too. "Oh, what do you think of curses," like we have any control over them. Please. If I had any control over curses, Jimmy--or, well, no, I guess that one was technically broken, wasn't it? Sure doesn't feel like it. Point is, curses are bad, and they're definitely real, and I hate you for them, got it?

BigB: Look, man, if you're trying to get me to write my character out for you, just say so! I won't tell anyone. We can come up with a hole thing about holes and red tasks and the Backrooms together! It'll be fun! After all, you probably don't know what kind of curse to say I have, right? Haha, just kidding. I have no idea what I'm talking about. Luckily, neither does anyone else, so I think that evens out between the lot of us.

Jimmy: NO RESPONSE GIVEN.