#anyway hi I’ll be thinking about TBB for the foreseeable future

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So, I’ve been trying to square the idea that The Bad Batch is from Omega’s perspective with the fact that there are a lot of things we, the audience, see happening, but are never addressed, because they’re things with which Omega never interacts. And of course it’s not literally from Omega’s perspective. There are sequences and two entire episodes she isn’t there there to see. Something that could be interesting, though, is if this show is from Omega’s perspective in the sense that things can happen without Omega, but they’re never pulled together or unpacked until it’s time for her to do so.

So, for example: We get a scene in “Faster” between Millegi and Cid in which Millegi calls Cid on her old habits of throwing people under the bus (“Hustlers like us never change.”) Cid is actually offended by this and replies with, “I might surprise you.”

There are two important things about this moment. One, we’re given a little bit of insight into Cid and the fact that she seems to want to have changed—she doesn’t want to be the person who stabs people in the back. Two, this moment is here entirely for the benefit of the audience. None of our main characters are here to witness this, so it’s not something that leads them to accept the idea that she’s changed only to be shocked when she betrays them later on. The thing they hear from Millegi is, “Watch your backs.” None of them was ever given a reason to doubt that—not even Omega, who seems to like Cid well enough and will go to bat for her, but still knows she’s not that trustworthy.

But we, the audience, are given a reason to doubt that Cid will betray them. A small reason, in that scene between her and Millegi, but a reason still. What plays out, however, is what everyone expected; Cid betrays the batch at the worst possible moment, surprising absolutely no one. Millegi’s, “Watch your backs,” plays, even though it’s not something we needed to hint that Cid would sell them out; Cid’s, “I might surprise you,” the hint that’s there just for the audience, never comes full circle.

Except…it’s not just empty, either. We do get a few hints that Cid doesn’t really want to betray the batch, that she may have been trying to get them to stay away, and several fairly big indications that she hates herself for what she’s done while the betrayal is playing out. (She looks less than proud, let’s say, when she takes the money from Hemlock, and blurting out a half-confession, half-justification to Wrecker in the first place.) So it is actually consistent in that, as suggested in her scene with Millegi, she’s unhappy being the person who stabs people in the back; but because we follow up on the other foreshadowing, and because Omega doesn’t see Cid again by the end of the non-epilogue portion of the show (she could have seen Cid in the gap; anything could happen in the gap), we never get a moment where Cid surprises us by explicitly showing that she’s changed. It’s not something that gets dropped or changed as much as it’s something that stays consistent, but doesn’t come full circle.

And there’s a lot in The Bad Batch that’s like this. We do, for example, see moments showing that Hunter, despite being a good man trying his best, is flawed and practically kneecaps himself with indecision and crippling self-doubt. Because of what Omega’s relationship with Hunter is, however, we never quite get around to unpacking that. She sees Hunter the way a lot of younger kids see their parents, so his flaws remain present rather than explored. that and instead unpack his relationship with her. Crosshair, despite his incredible redemption arc, ends the series with a lingering sense of guilt and a feeling that he deserves to die; but because of how Omega sees Crosshair—as someone who has made mistakes but who is, at the end of the day, her beloved little brother—we never quite unpack the source of his guilt or his turn from being implicitly to explicitly suicidal. We see clues and signs that Tech might have survived the fall—including one metatextually from Omega herself—but because all these clues are directed at the audience and go unseen by most of the cast, especially Omega (who doesn’t know she’s in a story where literary devices exist), we don’t ever deal with them. We see the build up with Rex, the senate, and something that looks like it’s leading to a clone rebellion, but we only really deal with the implications in moments that directly impact Omega’s story, like Echo leaving. And so on and so on—we could pick this apart for ages.

Whether or not this is a criticism, though, depends entirely on the framework. For example: If The Bad Batch as is really is the whole story and there’s nothing else, and never was anything else, then, yeah, it’s a disaster. It’s not just tripping on the finish line, it’s losing the race because you kept turning down dead end streets and having to climb over buildings to get back on the racetrack.

If, however, there does end up being more and we’re really at the end of part one of however many parts there are, what we’re looking at was never thought of as an ending, and what we’re getting is going to come with a bit of a POV shift away from Omega (not that she won’t appear at all, but that she won’t be the POV character), then it could all end up being a phenomenal piece of storytelling in the long run. I mean—I’m actually annoyed at how well it could work if they actually pulled something like that off. There’s still criticism to be had, but my criticism would be more focused on terrible audience management driven by an obsession with spoilers, the social media/marketing around the show being what it was, and a failure to really nail the transition with an episode that really seems to have been written more as a season finale (we didn’t get a long finale, I’m convinced we just got episodes 15 and 16 smushed together, and “The Cavalry Has Arrived” was just the title of the episode 16 that got applied to both), but had to also function as a series finale without being allowed to resolve anything but the Hunter-Omega arc. Basically, fumbling the transition between chapters somewhat rather than fumbling everything.

And the second one is what I lean towards, partly because it is weirdly consistent, and partly because despite the many (many) characters, plots, and subplots being left unresolved, none of it really has the hallmarks of something that ran out of either time or budget (at least, I don’t think so, now that I’ve been unable to stop thinking about it for two months). Things that run out of time usually cram all the resolution that they can into as little time as possible, and there were ways to resolve everything in the “terrible but at least still resolved” fashion by adding a couple of lines or even a voice over from Omega in the silent parts of the epilogue (cheapest, fastest solution and it could have done late, after everything else was locked down, any time before the episode was uploaded). Things that run out of budget usually cut anything that’s expensive—like, for example, a ten minute multi-character fight scene with particle effects that doesn’t have a plot reason to even be there unless we’re not actually done with the CX plot yet. Or rain. Or an outdoor set that only appears in one episode for three minutes.

TL; DR: I actually think there’s something interesting going on with the storytelling here if we’re not actually done with the story yet, but also it would be really nice to know for sure if there’s anything more coming because it’s either amazing or terrible and there’s nothing in between.

[tessaliagrey]

Thoughts on TBB

When they first announced The Bad Batch, I was like...really? I don’t know...

Maybe because the Bad Batch arc in TCW S7 felt like it was only there to introduce them so Disney could produce a spin-off series.

But, as most of us, if they dangle Star Wars content in front of my nose, I kind of tend to at least watch it once.

You haven’t seen The Bad Batch yet and don’t want to know? You’re not interested in what I think? Stop reading now. Everyone else, continue under the cut ;-)

Anyway, I watched it, and....surprisingly found it a solid start!

OK, so maybe the plot of this first episode was a little foreseeable, but I wasn’t really bothered by it, to be honest. It left more room for all the other stuff that kind of needed to happen and needed to be introduced to set things up for future episodes.

I’ve read my way through the spoiler tag, and there are some things where I’d like to add my own thoughts:

Kanan and Depa: I confess that I haven’t read the Kanan comics (yeah, yeah, sorry!) and maybe that’s why, for me, it was fine that they picked Kanan and Depa as a sort of “vehicle” to show that the inhibitor chips didn’t work on the Batch (except Crosshair). Like I said before, I think in this show we will see a lot of characters we are already familiar with, but I don’t think it’s designed to fill in all the gaps or conclude any character’s storyline. Many of those interactions might be more of a “nod” towards already existing characters. I’ve read A New Dawn sometime around Rebels season 3/4, and it didn’t feel contradictory to me. I like Kanan as a character, but this show is literally titled The Bad Batch, so we might expect it will be about, wait, yeah, the Bad Batch...

Crosshair “going imperial”: Well, it wasn’t really his choice, now, was it? But yeah, he’s the character one might most likely expect to become the Empire’s pawn. Grumpy, taciturn, and slightly set apart as he is. But we don’t know where his story is going beyond this episode, so I’m not judging yet.

“Omega is just a good shot because she’s supposed to replace Crosshair” / “Omega is Force sensitive”: Sorry, but I beg to differ on both accounts. And the WHY is connected to both these statements I’ve seen float around. I think -  and this is just a head canon at this point! - that Omega has her own skill, as in that she can “copy” someone perfectly after just having watched them. We see hints of it throughout the episode. The way she copies Hunter’s movements, for example. It looks like she’s just childishly mimicking him, but I’m not convinced of that. I think it’s her way to learn and adapt. She watched others shoot probably hundreds/thousands of times, and she can emulate that immediately once she gets her hands on that blaster. Or like in the last few moments of the episode, where she watches intently as to what you have to do to jump to hyperspace. I would bet that she could do it the next time without someone explaining the process to her.

Well, so much for those thoughts on the topics floating around.

In summary: I enjoyed the first episode. 75 minutes went by quickly and it was a solid start as far as first episodes can go. I’ll definitely watch the next, because it did get me curious on what is going to happen! I really want to know what will happen to the Batch as new main characters!

[mild-lunacy]

Johnlock and the million-dollar question

The fact is, I hesitate to say anything. That's where I am. I'm not ready to really engage with fandom the way it is now, or possibly ever.

The worst part of the TJLC breaking thing for me is the confusion. Like, I was always invested, obviously, but the main thing is that I felt strongly this subtext and the arc and all that stuff about romance and references to Sherlock's sexuality (like, ASiP, ASiB, TSoT and TAB) were important to the show. Not just there for shits and giggles, or even for representation. I'm not talking about subtext or code: sexuality, romantic attachment and embodiment are actual textual themes in the show. That's the 'rifle on the wall' Ivyblossom references being left in TLD in her recent post, but there's any number of such rifles. Way, way too many for coincidence or anything other than intent. That's the heart of TJLC, to me: that assertion that the show is consistent, that it follows its own continuity. Letting that go is more than letting go of a subtextual gay romance; it's letting go of things in the text *making sense*. My point, however, is that I don't necessarily need to *predict* or to be right about *how* all this works. Am I disappointed there's no kiss, no explicit Johnlock? Obviously. But what I really need is a sense that things *make sense* again. So many tiny plot things led to the 'Redbeard as Victor Trevor' thing, for example, you just *know* Mofftiss are well aware of the queer narrative and take it seriously like all the other aspects of the subtext. So, the million-dollar question: what happened?

Anyway, after Ivy said that about the last conversation in TLD vis-à-vis the situation in TFP.... I had one of my Moments. That special sense of enlightenment, haha. And like, so my *initial* read of the sex reference in TFP was to shrug and dismiss Eurus as being wrong, even though she's set up as not wrong by nature ('cause obviously it's like, not true? who exactly would he have had sex with, and when?), but. Irene's theme and Irene in general is definitely tied in with sex, symbolically, so if Sherlock plays it differently, that's a big deal. So we have that plus the John being 'family' to Sherlock thing, plus John inviting Sherlock to watch the video in the first place.... It adds up. Not to mention the odd, easy and mischievous intimacy of planning that Mycroft caper together after TLD. John pretty much bragged about convincing Sherlock to do it. Like... dude. This is presented very casually, matter-of-factly, but it's no casual thing, y'know? John wasn't speaking to Sherlock not so long ago. And yet... so easy, so suddenly. Hmmm. And, of course, there's Mary making that reference to what they 'could be' together, wrapped up in some spiel about how their private lives and selves don't matter *for the story*, for their public 'legend'. And to all this, they didn't bat an eye. And most viewers apparently assumed this all meant there's nothing else there... never a safe assumption on this show. But regardless, you'd think John, at least, would react somehow, or maybe take the opportunity to bluster or roll his eyes or something, which he always had done before.... Always.

But no. Nothing like that. Ho hum, Mary thinks we're in love and both she and Eurus (and Irene, and Mrs Hudson, etc etc)... possibly everyone we've ever met at this point thinks we could be fucking and probably are already. John reliably reacts to this somehow. Outright denies it sometimes (unless Sherlock is there). Unless it's actually true this time, in which case, you know, it's all fine, isn't it? (Well, obviously? But who cares? It's old news, really.)

Anyway, this placid 'invisibility' of their relationship in TFP happens after their talk in TLD, and we know Gatiss thinks that's the ideal 'married couple'-type relationship for a queer detective.... To me, it definitely adds up, as I said. The narrative works beautifully with that reading. It is consistent! Voila! The test is passed. We have continuity lift-off.

Note that this bare bones approach to character development hasn't been unusual in BBC Sherlock; quite the opposite. They *love* using implicit stuff, hints and hidden corners. ASiB is full of it, and so is TAB and TSoT. Moffat is obsessed, obviously, and he wrote TFP. We know what kind of men they are, don't we? Oh, we do. They barely ever have anything be straightforward, honestly. Would they have Johnlock happen implicitly, almost entirely in the interstitial spaces, depending on the fans to fill in the blanks? Yes. You have to admit they would. Certainly they're both pretentious enough, indifferent enough about people's understanding their intent, and just about big enough trolls for that. And as Ivy also said, they *did*, I think. Essentially, I feel like this level of implicitness is their idea of canon Johnlock, though I'm not without hope we'll get a kiss one day in a Special. After the level of subtext-as-text we see in TAB, I'd say it's definitely possible.

Anyway, Ivyblossom generally sees the surface plus the first few layers of Johnlock subtext, which... is the show. And it struck me that this exact line, that type of reading, *this* is closest to the apparent intent for Mofftiss as of Series 4 (given a full canon and hindsight, since Ivy's overall reading of S3 still works mostly unbroken too). Remember, consistency is important, both in the text and the interpretation. And this is just so like them. To literally have Johnlock happen in the empty space between TLD and TFP is... absolutely like them. It makes sense, *given* you don't assume that the nature of the show would or *could* change dramatically after canon Johnlock, more or less, and given you refuse to believe TSoT and TAB are somehow episodes in an entirely different show.

That vision of BBC Sherlock as an actual romance was always a jump, an assumption made because we, the fans, know that most people are heteronormative and we know they *need* to see 'proof'. But would Mofftiss *care* about heteronormative people and their assumptions, about proving them wrong? No. They've often undermined these assumptions, and they may tease them, they have fun with them, but ultimately I get the feeling they don't care about people who're essentially not smart enough to see what they mean to show them (see their attitude re: TAB). So... it *works*. And you literally see it-- that change, that equilibrium-- in TFP, just like Ivy said. Instead of overt intimacy, John and Sherlock just... click. Hilariously, it's just like all those fanfics had it: no sex during cases, more or less. God, that little twinkle in John's eye, though. There was just that tiniest bit more relaxation; a more confident, mischievous mood, just a bit softer and more open, as appropriate to the circumstances. So subtle. So... John. For example, we know there's increased emotional intimacy between them outside casework 'cause he asked for Sherlock when he found Mary's other CD, but he also supported Sherlock emotionally during the case, reminding him of the need for 'soldier mode' along with a subtle hand on Sherlock's elbow. God. I *thought* that John was back in old-school form in TFP. That was my immediate response! And what would magically bring the old John back...? Two options: bad writing... or renewed and increased emotional intimacy with Sherlock. I vote Sherlock.

God, it's so subtle, so subtle, but they don't *do* casual touching, you know? They never have, really, from the very beginning. They don't touch intentionally but casually, even when they're drunk off their asses in TSoT. Their legs nearly but never quite made contact, remember, and we all thought John's deliberate, not-so-casual famous knee-grope was like a strip tease for them. Both their hugs were a huge deal, and even their handshake was a production. It's certainly not something to do sober, during a case. Remember when Sherlock grasped John by the head and seemed to go a bit fuzzy in TBB? Yeah. Not casual. Oh my God, I'm crying and not falling asleep. I'm seriously, literally crying 'cause that tiny, casual elbow touch is equivalent to canon Johnlock. That's Martin Freeman for you, isn't it? That's Gatiss, too. Wow. Wow. Wow.

My only dangling reservation is about the John characterization in TLD and TST, to a lesser extent. I wasn't as thrown by the violence at the morgue as some, and I accepted his irrational rejection of Sherlock after Mary's death, but it took me awhile to see the importance of their last conversation about Mary and romantic relationships to the two of them. I mean, I could tell not all was as it seemed and we were being heterobaited, but I wasn't clear what was being communicated. I hoped and expected TFP would clarify this, but of course it didn't, really (though honestly, stagnation or regression is actually often the initial, surface appearance of emotional development between Sherlock episodes. I mean, we've had apparent regression between TSoT and HLV, and an empty space within John and Sherlock's relationship between that beginning conversation in TEH and their stable relationship at the start of TSoT). So my initial read of TLD and the conversation was optimistic but confused; it was painful and didn't *obviously* go anywhere. Of course I had hoped for more from The Conversation we all expected in Series 4, though (just like with The Kiss). I had a very hard time actually imagining how it would actually go that was 100% stylistically consistent with what came before, however. Remember, we'd have to go beyond TSoT... and TSoT itself was an aberration stylistically. Anyway, I thought this was my lack of imagination. More likely, my instincts in the past were just saying a conversation that went 'full Monty' or an actual kiss would... break genre or existing show convention, maybe, in some indefinable way. Just instinctual on my part, apparently. So, we get just enough conversation to suggest the 'sort of thing' they'd talk about (romance! Irene! who they really are! hmmm) and the 'sort of thing' they'd do afterwards (cry and hug... Hmmmmm....)

I still hesitate about the extent of John's seeming hatefulness in much of TLD. I wouldn't say his behavior really shocked me personally at any point, but it's hard to entirely cast away other people's understanding of John if I respect their opinion, even when it's significantly fluffier than mine. Most people's interpretation of both John and Sherlock seems to go either a lot more or much less fluffy, in equally extreme measure. Either people seem to believe John (or Sherlock) is an abusive asshole and/or sociopath, or they're harmless babs. It's not like I was ever in danger of thinking John was a harmless bab, but he went pretty far in Series 4, even further than Series 3, and people could barely tolerate *that* much as in-character. So it definitely helped when I saw @thecutteralicia's last response on TLD!John, which brought up his adrenaline-driven violence against Sherlock in ASiB. Obviously, yeah, TLD is much more extreme, 'cause John's at the very end of his rope and convinced Sherlock's literally about to lose it and go rogue drug-abusing vigilante. He's already called Sherlock a monster and yeah, seen him kill a man that he probably shouldn't have. And he really isn't a hero in an absolute sense any more than Sherlock is. The entirety of TLD was about breaking that down narratively, and *then* having Sherlock accept him anyway, the way he finally accepts Sherlock.

So does this mean their relationship is abusive and Sherlock is martyred? I agree with the TLD!John post on that, too. They're both messed up characters, and the show has not been shy about this; it's not subtext, and in fact it's part of the very last few things the show tells us about the two of them (the two junkies solving cases for ulterior purposes, etc). It doesn't go one way only, regardless of the tally of their respective offenses against one another, which character fans are so fond of. Besides that, on a more abstract level, suffering for love is not the same thing is being abused, in the context of romantic angst within its genre. That's how it works. You take it or leave it if it's not your bag, more or less. Anyway... this sort of reasoning always came naturally to me, though as I said, I know too many people who've got a much softer interpretation of John (even John at the end of his rope). It's easy for me to connect the dots now that I've started. It's obvious, really.

I'm happy. As far as I'm concerned, we did get canon Johnlock, suuuuper implicit as it is. For all my gushing about loving the cases this series, I'm all about the boys. Of course I'm happy. Am I *satisfied*? Well... such is not the nature of humanity. People think we're crazy now more than ever before, obviously, so I resent Mofftiss just a bit for that. Partly, it's just being seen as insane and/or brainwashed indefinitely, which you could argue I've grown used to in fandom (... not really; actually, it sure gets old, lemme tell you). Yeah, that really sticks in my craw, no way around it. Aside from that, it's a shame that most fans as well as casual viewers-- and even many TJLCers now!-- simply won't appreciate that this is a beautiful love story. Maybe not even in 20-50 years when heteronormativity seems quaint, if they still watched the show, because people will always prioritize the surface narrative. Granted, of course, some special 10 years from now doesn't settle the matter, finally, when no one cares anymore. That seems like Mofftiss, doesn't it? But I'm still the person who wrote all those posts about how I need John to be declared bisexual, after all. I think I've processed a lot of that with my feelings about the representation of Adam Parrish in The Raven Cycle, another undeclared bisexual. I'm sympathetic to both sides of the debate, but the fact remains that I really love the portrayal of both Ronan and Adam in The Raven Cycle, so this can't help but influence my feelings. It works, it's consistent and I enjoyed it: that seems to frequently be enough for me. Obviously, there's a significant difference in that The Raven Cycle actually has an explicit, canonical relationship and an actual kiss between Adam and Ronan (though plenty of people in the fandom still thought they were robbed compared to the het couple). So... that sucks. If you think that's not acceptable, that's certainly a valid way to feel. As *representation*, BBC Sherlock definitely sucks the big one. There's no way around that. As a *story*, though, it's as frustrating and wonderful but as consistent as ever (which... suggests there's plenty of plot holes and/or dangling threads to go around, surely, but not about the things that really *matter*).

Basically, I understand if it's not enough for others, and there's good reason for that. But this is where I am. Not quite thankful, but definitely relieved. And maybe not hysterically blissful, but certainly happy, just because I know that's how Sherlock and John Watson canonically feel... as of the end of TLD and into their future as partners, with their private life remaining firmly private, it would seem. Partners in detectiving, in romancing, and-- God help me-- parenting, too. A family in every way.

PS: because *this* is the thought literally haunting me at night (and it's almost 6am, man): Jesus Christ, I can't believe they've done the do! OMG. John, you dog you. hehe I really wanna see how it all went down, but. I guess if you wanna see something done right, ya gotta do it yourself. Again and again and again (.... right, John?)

PPS, even later at night: hopefully @ivyblossom will write it before I have to take such extreme measures, particularly before breakfast, ehehehehe.