#anti milkvan canon

[gayofthefae]

In putting Will in the beginning of it and cutting back to him, they, once again made it so that Mike wasn't saying "I love you" to El. He wasn't committing to El. He was leaving Will. And that's all they wanted you to be thinking about it.

Is he filling El's heart? It doesn't matter, because all you can think about is "is he breaking Will's?"

Will should not have been there for it to be romantic. If you establish that the action that you've been building to as the big romantic gesture will crush someone's soul...and then you do it?

Yeah, that was not meant to make us feel good.

[coventhewise]

canon (+ almost canon) couples and light glowing between them

—jancy

—lumax

—jopper

—rovickie

—byler

[nobodyinourstars]

STOPPPP😭😭😭😭😭

[kyle-txt]

The way Mike looks at El 😻😻

You can tell he truly does love her and they are going to be together forever 🥰😻

[sara-yuna]

Smiling at the fact how much of a simp Mike is for Will's art 🥹🥰

Chill Mike, he only draws for you 🤭

[queermikewheelertruther]

mileven vs byler fight

I think by now we’ve all seen that “I really want s5 to be milevens season” post, but I noticed something interesting about it.

“No fights.” Now this isn’t just specific to this post, I’ve seen plenty of other milevens say similar things and just generally being against the idea of a mileven fight.

But compare this to Bylers. I’ve seen countless amounts of posts wishing/begging for another Byler fight, a rain fight, etc. But why is this? What’s the difference between mileven and Byler’s fights?

With Byler, their arguments always end resolved. Mike apologies to Will, and they tend to have some sort of intimate moment(s) afterwards. But compare this to mileven, they don’t. Any relationship issues mileven has had throughout the series haven’t really been resolved.

These problems just kind of build up overtime and result in things like an argument “you can’t come back from.” I also feel like this is why milevens don’t want a mileven fight again. They know that it wasn’t really fixed. Their relationship isn’t doing so well by the end of s4.

As for Byler, their fights build on to their relationship, and also just their characters. As we’ve seen in s4, the rain fight encouraged Mike to join a dnd campaign again, and also attempt to bring the party back together. And their s4 fight, well I mean, all I have to say is the flirtatious bedroom scene(s) LMAOO

But milevens can clearly see that it’s not the same case for mileven. A fight wouldn’t help their relationship, because they don’t understand each other when they have a disagreement romantically.

(id also like to add that milevens arguments just… aren’t on the same level as bylers. for example, milevens ‘fight’ in s3 didn’t feel emotional. it felt like the average teen couple breaking up but it didn’t feel devastating or even that big of a deal. as for byler, they want you to feel kind of taken back by their fights. they want you to go “wow, this is a pretty serious argument that no other friendship seems to have in the show.” and for a reason too. milevens fight in s4, it was upsetting but in a specific way. they’re trying to make it feel unappealing, hence why mileven is always separated and having problems throughout the series.)

[everbyers]

Rink O' Mania / The Airport Scene™ is the biggest byler proof.

Okay, that title was little dramatic, but It's not too far from the truth.

It's such an amazing piece of evidence because It's one of the proofs that melvins can't make about their ship. A good example of evidence like this is the end of s4. It either means something for byler or nothing, no in between.

There is yet to be an argument against WHY Mike wasn't being himself. (Of course, melvins deny that he wasn't being himself when it is obvious. Even if you don't ship byler, Mike was NOT being himself.)

An argument I've seen some melvins use is how Mike was just trying to impress El. Which could be true, but:

Why did he fake his smile? In here you can literally see that he's faking his smile AT THE SAME TIME AS EL. WHO WE KNOW IS LYING. I mean, okay the outfit was him not being himself, but does he also hate being with his girlfriend?

2. I am sure Mike not being himself around El for this reason would be brought up at some point, no? Why would Mike open up to Will about everything BUT that. He would definitely say something about not feeling like he can be his true self around El.

3. This was never really an issue in previous seasons? I am overdue a rewatch, but if my memory serves me right, Mike never had a problem with being himself around El. Season 3 was more about not being himself in general.

Obviously, he isn't being himself around El - but not to seem cool, but because he is actually in love with Wi- *GUNSHOT*

[samcats]

Even if Byler doesn’t happen, it is and always will be queer baiting and I’m not going to act like it isn’t

This isn’t us being delusional, this is Netflix using a popular gay ship to promote the show.

This is the Duffers purposely pairing up the couples and Byler, suggesting Byler is a couple

Annddd Will having a crush on Mike that opens up the possibility of a queer couple being canon

Making a gay character have his whole plotline revolve around having a crush on a guy just to turn around and say “well actually that guy doesn’t like him back!” And then make the heterosexual couple endgame is extremely scummy.

They did not have to open up the possibility of a queer couple, yet they did. If they end up sticking with milkshake for season 5 instead of Byler after making it SO clear that it could happen, it by definition is queer baiting

[bylstarz]

WHY IS THIS ALL THEY WANT?

SOMEONE PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME AS TO WHY THEY ONLY WANT A MILKVAN WEDDING. THEY ARE 16 IN S5 😭

also baseball is literally a metaphor for heteronormativity they're not about to do the most heteronormative thing ever in this scene?! 😭

[bkdk-bylerthings]

Mike Wheeler is a Gay mess

MY THOUGHTS ON REPRESENTATION/SYMBOLISM ABOUT THAT AWKWARD KISS SCENE AT THE END OF SEASON 3

As we all know Mike Wheeler did not kiss El back, he stood there with his eyes open, arms at his side and then is left there looking more confused then ever.

Want I want to look at in the scene is the Closet and Bear

Let’s talk about the Closet first:

El and Mike are standing infront of the closet, which I find really interesting for them to be placed there.

First we have El, not being able to use her powers to reach the teddy bear so Mike steps and grabs it for her.

Right, he’s the one to reach into the closet. Which now could be the beginning of something, that something of him taking a step into the closet. If you understand what I’m saying here.

…

Then after the awkward kiss, El walks away, leaving Mike near the closest, making no steps to move at all.

He realized he didn’t like that kiss, now questioning something about himself.

So since he didn’t move my point is that he’s now in the closet— and backing that up is what I said before of him reaching into the closet, grabbing what was in the closet.

For that - he doesn’t love El romantically and is starting to realize he has feelings for someone else…

Now to add to all that - The representation of the Teddy bear:

I think the bear could represent Mike’s love and for who he thinks he loves (cough cough El)

As we know El couldn’t reach the bear in the first place bc she wasn’t tall enough, so tries with her powers— this represents and foreshadowing season 4 of her trying to reach (in this case) for Mike’s love for her.

Since she couldn’t reach it, Mike does. Mike hands her his love or this case his actually love of Will, since this bear came from the closet. He is able to reach into the closet bc that is where his Love lies, not El, bc he doesn’t love her like that and El can’t make Mike love her, she can’t force him like she tried to force the bear down—

—like in season 4, questioning Mike if he still loves her.

“But you don’t love me anymore?”

To put it as simply as I can:

The bear represents Mike’s love but a love he put into the wrong hands bc actually he (for the time being) should have left it where it was. His love for Will is in the closet, his feelings for Will are hidden away… for now. He doesn’t quite understand what to do with this thing called Love so he gives it to El while he shouldn’t be.

And so after he stands there confused, he realizes ‘I gave my love to the wrong person’ leaving him standing next to the closet after that realization. He’s almost, confused, sad, in the dark now about his feelings since there is no more light coming from the closet.

I don’t think this is truly what the show wants you to get at here, I just love reaching, and over analyzing things bc it’s fun.

[wenclair-more-like-whenclair]

Straight people don't need directions from the people in their life to know how to be straight. Lucas and Dustin never needed to be taught how to interact with/be attracted to girls. They were both instantly drawn to Max because they found her attractive, and they knew how to talk to her. They wanted to rescue the sexy princess lady from the Dragon's Lair arcade game because they are men who are attracted to women.

So why does Mike Wheeler need Lucas Sinclair to practically guide him by the hand when it comes to knowing how to date a girl? Why does the nature of Mike's relationship with El change because of the suggestibility given to him by his older sister?? It's almost like... Mike Wheeler isn't like Lucas and Dustin and doesn't understand attraction to or interaction with girls unless explicitly shown.

[gayofthefae]

The inherent setup for that Max flashback montage for El in season 4 to have so much of season 3's bonding content be about her distance from Mike in the first place. The setup to have that be the content they're pulling from.

[sofixt0k]

THESE Mike Wheeler and Will Byers kissing. Just imagine that.

[nobodyinourstars]

Who the hell is cutting onions????😭😭😭😭

[queen-of-hawkins-why-ler]

"They won't split up the MAIN couple of the show >:(((" and the main couple of the show in question is a girl whose arc has actively included her becoming progressively more self-reliant and less dependent on her boyfriend across ALL seasons + a boy who has been staring wistfully at his best friend's lips and reaching for his hand since they were like 12

[sara-yuna]

✨️ When in doubt, watch this ✨️

"They are smart the duffers... they have it planned out from the beginning"

"They already know how season 5 is going to end"

"We will see how far it goes"

"They are building that up [byler]"

Guys... #ENDGAME 💯💯