#another daemyra content from hbo

[eschercaine]

I dunno... If they want to film a scene at night, why not do it at night, like episode 4, instead of heavily editing the scene to the point we can’t see shit?

Anyways, HBO Max Nordic giving us Daemyra crumbs as always. 😍

[ludcake]

🔥 i just want u to talk about daemyra more (i personally think he def groomed her but a lot of people deny that)

Okay so. Daemyra is obviously grooming. It's not grooming because HBO didn't want to go through with it fully, but it *is* grooming at every other level.

The thing about Daemyra, that I think is overlooked and I'll thank mutual @kingcunny for enlightening me a bit on this, is that Daemyra is actually Daemon wanting Viserys. And Viserys is also, to an extent, grooming Rhaenyra - his outbursts against Rhaenyra's behaviour are always targeted like *jealous* behaviour, like Viserys wants her for himself, like he's mad that it's *Daemon* taking her and not her taking someone else.

Which is, of course, something you can directly link to how Alyssa was groomed by Alysanne for her brother, and how in the show, Viserys raised Daemon - most likely, much in the same way that his parents raised him. And in the Targaryen structure, where sibling marriage is upheld as sacred, grooming *is* fundamentally part of it. You're matching your child up with another child from the moment they're born, raising them together so they marry. There's a whole underlying sentiment throughout Fire and Blood of the idea that Jaehaerys and mainly Alysanne live through their children, and arrange marriages as though *they* were getting married to other people, and how that makes Jaehaerys viciously jealous. And that's the same behaviour we see with Viserys.

Ultimately, Daemyra is interesting, and it's a fascinating relationship! But only in a context where Viserys and Daemon have the relationship they have, to me. Without that added pep to the step, it just fails, and that's where a lot of Daemyra content falls apart to me.

When Viserys finally accepts Daemon marrying Rhaenyra, it's when he's old and sick and disabled - when Daemon can essentially replace him entirely, and he cannot have Rhaenyra for himself anymore.

[chrkrose]

Hey just so you know, Mushroom is the only one who said salacious stuff about Daemon and Nettles. All other accounts by the people around them said they just have a close bond. What book did you even read??? Also, why are you so obsessed with talking about daemyra if you so hate them??

LMAOO y’all truly went to Wikipedia, skimmed through their summary real quick and called it a day huh

Let’s see then. This is how Nettles and Daemon relationship is described in the five sources we have so far for The Dance of The Dragons:

1) The Princess and The Queen (2013): It is suggested they are lovers. There’s no ambiguity in the text.

2) The World of Ice and Fire (2014): They are confirmed to be lovers.

3) HBO Histories and Lore content for Game of Thrones DVDs (2016): They are confirmed to be lovers. Transcription of what the video says:

“But, there was a… complication. As well as her dragon, the girl had taken to riding Daemon”

4) Fire & Blood (2018): The character of Maester Norren at Maidenpool suggests that Daemon acted paternal towards Nettles because he taught her how to behave at court and dotted upon her. The characters of Mushroom believes prince Daemon fell in love with Nettles; the unnamed maidservants of Maidenpool that attended to Nettles and Daemon while they stayed there said they took baths together and he washed her hair and back; Lord Mooton’s men openly discussed how to kill her without having to harm Daemon because he slept next to Nettles every night and they didn’t want to do it because she was young, “however foul her treasons”. They were terrified of what Daemon would do to Maidenpool if they killed her because “he was more than fond” of her and if they killed her, he would certainly burn Maidenpool to the ground. This is actually present in Norren’s account btw, it comes from him. And finally, the book narrator, Maester Gyldayn, who is always disbelieving Mushroom, in this case thought he was actually right because analyzing all the information he had, he believed Daemon and Nettles to be lovers.

5) The Rise of The Dragon (2022): It suggests they are lovers, even going as far as saying that Norren’s account actually supports that notion instead of disproving it.

However, Mushroom suggested another cause for Daemon's unwillingness: that he and Nettles had become lovers. This theory is supported by the Chronicles of Maidenpool, maintained by Lord Mooton's maester, who remarked that the prince and Nettles were inseparable, their bedrooms were adjoining, and that Daemon often gave her gifts and even shared a bath with her.

So we have 2 sources that confirm them to be lovers; 3 sources that suggest they are lovers, with one of these sources, Fire&Blood, having a ratio of:

1 character thinking they are platonic vs 4 instances of other characters thinking they are lovers, the majority of them who were in Maidenpool as well, and the book’s narrator agrees to that version. And then Rise of The Dragon contradicts the one character who thought they were platonic by stating that his account actually supports the notion they were lovers. Idk anon, I think your math isn’t mathing.

Truly, try to read the books instead of asoiaf wiki if you want to engage in book discussions.

And about your last point: I don’t talk about Daemyra. I talk about the shippers who are 50% of the time posting discourse on Nettles’ tag because she lives in their mind rent free. The other 50% they are either being racist without even hiding it or pretending they care while being just a little bit racist thinking nobody is noticing it. So maybe idk, take up to them and why they can’t stop thinking of a character who actress hasn’t even been cast yet and who’s story we don’t even know how it will be adapted, maybe they can answer u better ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[redbelles]

hi i hope you don't mind me asking but i see you're a fan of daemyra and i was wondering what did you think of the final episode of hotd? people are saying it was bad.

hi anon— i don't mind you asking at all!

full disclosure: i have not watched the leaked ep. i know what the leaks are, and i've discussed them in depth with some hotd friends, but i don't currently have the emotional bandwidth to watch something i know will piss me off.

i won't stream the ep when it airs tomorrow, but i will watch it eventually. i hope the "pristine version" hbo kept touting in its statement will be better, or at least different, but i'm not holding out much hope for that. if the leaks stand unchanged, i will do exactly what i did when got disappointed me: i will pack up my shit and focus solely on fan content.

no matter what i ultimately think of the ep, it won't stop me from shipping daemyra, and it certainly won't stop me from enjoying asoiaf as a creative playground— i've had nearly fifteen years to come to grips with the fact that grrm's stupid little fake uk fantasy universe is like fucking catnip for me

fuck hbo for real tho, because it's looking like they learned exactly jackshit nothing from the way d&d ran got into the ground

feel free to send me another ask off anon or dm me if you'd like my more specific thoughts on the leaks, but in the interest of keeping my blood pressure at a reasonable level today: the leaks are just bad writing choice after bad writing choice! thank u i hate it!

[eschercaine]

If they are going to do something like this, stop doing them dirty. 😤

[eschercaine]

[eschercaine]

HBO keeps giving the fandom Daemyra crumbs, while the writers of the dumpster fire show were doing them dirty. 😐