#anon is going to a bunch of people in the proship tag

[randomprosho]

"I don't support it in real life!"CW: talk of sexualizing minors, slight rant

Then why write about it? If for coping purposes, why post it online for others (especially actual predators) to see and consume? Then why portray those things in a positive light instead of condemning them?And you're seriously going to tell me that just because as an adult (1) you want to see a fictional minor (that mind you, is usually designed to resemble an actual child) depicted in sexual situations doesn't mean you don't share that same view concerning children in real life? You find fictional minors attractive but not real ones? Why does the line between finding someone who is (and usually also looks like) a child sexually attractive get drawn at whether the child is real or not? I'm not calling anyone pedophiles, but if the shoe fits...(1) No I am not talking about 18 y/os finding 17 y/os attractive. Use your brain. Creating content of underaged characters is still questionable regardless of age, however.

"Just mute/block instead of harassing others!"I have nearly 70k people blocked on twitter, and hundreds of words and tags muted, I softblock and mute people who post things I don't want to see. I still see certain things on my timeline, usually because1) It's posted in the main tags of something I'm interested in2) The post isn't even tagged at all3) If someone quote retweets from someone I've blocked, I still see the take on my timeline.

"Antis use the same rhetoric as exclusionists and TERFS!"What exactly does being against pedophilia have to do with trans (women) exclusionary radical feminism?And what does lgbtq discourse in general have to do with not wanting minors to be sexualized?

"Antis harass people!"Apparently, proshippers have never done this before! Not once has a grown adult stalked literal children for calling their ships gross!Not saying harassments ok at all, but let's not act like the poor proshippers are being oppressed here.Also, I promise you, someone saying "x is a proshipper, please block them if you don't want to see their content" is not harassment. Writing callout posts and videos on underaged "antis", however is most definitely harassment but y'all don't want to hear that. People have the right to know if they are platforming people who go against their personal beliefs and morals. Choosing to hide that from people who would otherwise not want to interact with you for the sake of not wanting to "lose friends" makes you a bad person, and you should feel bad.

this is a LOT anon, my god...

First I'll say what I do agree with you on: I have made posts and even agreed with antis or neutrals on proshippers harassing antis. I have seen it and have hated that it happens. Proshippers like to use being anti-harassment as a shield to harass people. Antis have made posts without accusing anyone of being anything nor making any kind of assumptions about any shippers and they would get HOUNDED by proshippers. I've seen it happen. I once followed a group of antis because they liked the same popular ship I liked in a fandom (I wont name). They were uncomfortable with certain shippers and proshippers following them, I respected their wishes and left. I saw from a proshipper qrting that same anti group that I unfollowed because they made a list of proshippers for that fandom so people could block. I did trust these antis because they were anti-harassment. I do agree that a lot of these kinds of lists do cause harassment but there were proshippers going up to this group being immature saying to be added to the list. And yes, they were harassed but like I said, I did trust this group, they were peaceful people. I have had good conversations with antis because I feel like there are some that just want to be heard. So I listen to them. I am completely fine with having conversations without being labeled something I am not. That you KNOW I am not. I WILL stick up for antis if they're not in the wrong, I dont care how many proshippers I will be going against. I am anti-harassment in the truest sense. NO one deserves to be harassed, least of all, children.

For all the other shit you said: "if the shoe fits" It dont. Pedophilia is a paraphilic disorder where the person has thoughts and emotions that could potentially harm a minor. These people have intrusive thoughts to the point it causes them distress. I, personally, do NOT suffer from this. People have the ability to separate fiction from reality. What I see when I look at anime characters is a cartoon character. I dont see actual literal children, no matter HOW they act. I can only speak for myself, but I dont like actual people, let alone, children. I dont want to be with anyone nor do anything with anyone. I use to be a schediaphile, which is a paraphilia where someone is sexually attracted to fictional characters, which lolishota are. I honestly never was sexually attracted to lolishota. I only find them cute and when I like cute things, I like fucked up shit to happen to them because I like dark/taboo type of fiction. Even if something is shown in a positive way, it is STILL fucked up, isnt it?

When I post anything sexual about a lolishota, I am able to distance myself from it: Aegosexual.

There is a LOT of violence that is shown as a positive in fiction but no anti ever goes hard against it like they do when it comes to anything depicting sex. Violence is always seen as a good thing, while sex is bad.

It is a-okay to be disgusted and grossed out over any fiction no matter what. What isnt okay is harassing someone over fiction because you find it icky. I personally dont like gore but I would never go after someone making assumptions that they're gonna go on a murder spree.

I dont use lolishotacon as a way to cope because I havent been through anything like that. I just think they're cute, thats it.

btw, I am also blocking a shit ton of people on twitter. I block people every single day. I see NSFW art I dont want to see all the time. It does cause me a teeny bit of anxiety but I literally breathe out a sigh of relief when I block them so I dont see their shit anymore. If you're following ppl that qrt people you've blocked, maybe you should unfollow those people. you are the only person who can look out for you, unless your a minor, then thats your parents/guardians job

[momentsofamberclarity]

don't call me nonnie.

i know that not all proshipping is sexual, but it's still portraying pedophilia/incest positively

the bullet point lists were because i just wanted to separate each sentence into a different point because they were all sort off disconnected

the "they're just pixels" argument doesn't work because every single thing you see on a screen is a bunch of pixels if you zoom in, with that logic every image posted online is "just pixels", including actual csem

Fine, I won't call you that. But riddle me this, anon; why am I showing you more respect than you're showing me? Why have you told me to go fuck myself multiple times in place of having a discussion?

Here's the thing ... the only way you will find csem is if you go looking for it. You are not going to find csem on tumblr because it would break community guidelines. But fictional characters under the age of 18 do not count as csem and numerous child protection services have stated that those are just art.

Likewise, the only way you're gonna find fanfiction of 'kids being raped' as you keep putting it, is if you're trying to be a white knight and seek those writers out purposefully so that you can harass them like you're doing with me. Because most of the proshippers I know tag their stuff so that it can be found by the target audience and blacklisted by the people who don't want to see it.

And here's the thing about proshipping which I think is the biggest hurtle of the anti community. Proship doesn't mean 'I support active sexual predators hurting real living children'. 'Pedophile' as a term is meaningless at this point because everyone on the internet uses it to describe anyone they disagree with. You're better off using predator and paraphile. Predators are the dangerous people who don't give a shit about fiction because they have full-intent to harm others. But the majority of paraphiles? They're no-contact and/or fiction-only on their paraphilias, or they do consenting adult things with their consenting adult partners that are roleplaying with boundaries set in place for a reason.

I've been on the internet since before the term 'proship' even popped up. Back before that we called it Dead Dove, Don't Eat and Don't Like, Don't Look. 'Proship' as a term has the same meaning as those old ones, it's just shorthand. It means 'I support the rights of others to ship whatever they want in their own space regardless of whether or not I like or condone it because I don't know them and it does not involve me'. You don't like the content? You have a block button and you are encouraged to use it to curate your own online experience just like the artists and authors posting that content are.

The fact that you're still here means you're hearing some of what I'm saying and possibly having a hard time coming to terms with it. Believe me, I went through a period of morality crisis between my bpd and ocd telling me that fiction could affect reality and I thought that thinking bad things ( like intrusive thoughts ) made me a Bad Person. But thoughts are just thoughts.

So if you want to come off anon and actually have a conversation with me, I promise I'm not going to name-drop you. The purpose of this blog has only ever been about clearing up misconceptions about proshippers and paraphiles because I used to be uninformed about those topics myself until my partner and another super close friend explained them to me in a way that I could comprehend. And that is that thought crime doesn't exist. And fictional characters don't have autonomy and therefore cannot be abused by your thoughts, your art, your writing, etc.

But if we did away with fictional expression of paraphilias in a healthy artistic manner ( like KOSA is currently trying to do ), the world would be a more dangerous place for potential victims, because paraphiles and predators are always going to exist whether you choose to accept that or not. My own abusers never faced charges, only one of my partners' abusers is rotting in jail, and that is the reality of this fucked up world that we're living in. People with niche fetishes aren't monsters - most are even too embarrassed to talk about them. Active sexual predators online who hop into the DMs of minors to be creeps are a real world problem. And that has nothing to do with the proship community's philosophy of 'ship and let ship'.

[archersxartxblog]

I saw your input to the discourse and I wholeheartedly agree with your view.

The Antis in the fandom are the most disgusting crybullies I've ever come across in any fandom... and I have been in a lot of them for a long time... What's also disgusting is that these same people turn around and claim how open, friendly and positive this fandom is...

Well turns out it's only that way if you stick to what is considered the norm by anti's...

I really don't like the ship at all... but I can make a difference between fiction and reality and treat people the same. Heck, I have a sibling that has been into "proship" and I never made a big deal out of it... It's still my sibling at the end of the day. And they also can seperate fiction from reality. Something that has become rare nowadays... but people desperately need

They claim they are the good ones but do bully and harrass anyone with a different opinion to the point of them deleting their accounts or stepping away from fandom (lets hope nothing worse) (also seen this happen several times on dead-bird-site with japanese fans) smh

sorry to go into this little rant... you don't have to publish this. You're even free to delete and block me. I just need that out of my system without them witchhunting me off the web....

(also love your content. You have a cute and wholesome artstyle! Keep up the good work!)

It's insane, honestly.

I've seen people getting harassed, doxed, death threats, people have had to get staff involved in some cases. People have been called blankshippers because of commissions they've done (fun fact if a blankshipper threw a bunch of cash at me I'd draw something too). Heck, just today it's been proven that these antis sit in the blankshipping tag looking for styles of creatators they can call out. Iike really.

And this is just the stuff I've seen on my dash.

And this isn't just a shipping problem, any miss step can get people to come at you, it seems. Remember that drawing challenges that happened around September/October, that person just wanted to do something fun, and a single prompt got them harassed and allegedly doxed.

I've really wanted to interact more with this Fandom, I wanted to join a discord and maybe make some friends, but the fear of some miss step I might make, someone not liking me and looking for a reason to chase me away keeps me from really interacting.

I've actually only had one bad interaction with one blankshippers, and from what I've seen, that person is just a giant dick. Otherwise, they have been quite respectful.

This is honestly the less friendly Fandom I've been in. There are some great people here, some really great artist. But there are also a lot of people looking for a reason to tear down anyone for whatever reason.

Don't worry about the rant, I totally get it. I'm hoping I'm too small to get a mob coming after me. Might loose a bunch of followers, but it is what it is. I will be turning off anon after this, just to discourage anyone coming at me even more.

But for the record, I'm not a blankshipper, I do not like or engage in the ship, I don't like it, but that's okay because I don't look at that blankshipping tag (cause I am not a weirdo looking at stuff I don't like)

I would prefer blankshippers interact with my work respectfully, to not ship ingo and Emmet in regards to my Warden’s Twins fic due to the underage nature of the twins in that setting.

But I would expect this from anyone.

(And thank you, it makes me really happy to hear you like my style. I'm probably going to be posting more oc stuff for a bit, I just kind of want to step away from the submas Fandom for a bit, I'll still be posting Caleb and Fjord stuff, bit I'll still post ingo and Emmet every so often, maybe even some dojoshipping stuff when the mood strikes me.)

[you-are-only-mine-vn]

BEFORE YOU CONTINUE

"You Are Only Mine" is a large yandere collection. Because it's yandere it obviously contains sensitive topic like stalking, unhealthy relationships, and murder. There are many other triggering topics in this series like self harm, abuse, disturbing imagery(eyes, gore, etc) More will be added as I write for it.

You Are Only Mine is a series of yandere stories!

There is no one specific plot to you are mine, it serves to hold a a bunch of different yandere stories and characters. For example "Heart of the Sea" which is the first story I will be working on will not have characters that interact with any character from "Our Happy Ever After" because they are in a different story in his series. Not all characters in the stories will interact though.

FAQ

If I make "You Are Only Mine" content, can I tag you in it?- Yup! I would LOVE to be tagged in any fan content! It makes me so happy and overjoyed to see people making stuff for You Are Only Mine. I'm happy that others are interested in my stories and characters.

Are we allowed to send asks interacting with the Li's? - Yeah! I think it would also help me write the characters better for when I write their routes.

STORIES

Heart of the Sea- An ocean themed vn! Y/n is part of a pirate crew, exploring the seas with them. In most routes, the crew runs into a storm, you lose your footing, and fall into the ocean. However you don't die, not even when you're on the ocean floor.

Our Happy Ever After- A fairytale themed vn! The love interests are based off of fairy tale characters. The protagonists, the side characters, and even the villains! But how'd you get to these worlds?

more to be added- I currently have 15 other story idea to add to this but there's no name currently and that's fine since I mainly want to focus on Heart of the Sea

TAGS

#Heartoftheseavn

#Happilyeveraftervn

#💌-fan content

#🔞-minors dni

#🎤-Asks

#🥀-Angst

#☁️-Fluff

#🌟-abt star

DNI/RULES

Proship

Ageless in bio(either put your age/birthday in your bio, or you can send me a message telling me your age, if none of those I’ll block you)

I won’t be writing any gross out kink or anything like that.

If you’re a minor please don’t interact with my content that is 18+, especially since the base content won’t be 18+ so you can still get content.

Please be patient with me

I’d prefer it if younger kids(14-) didn’t interact with this blog because there will be swearing and triggering topics, thank you.

I’m happy to take criticism on anything and will take it into consideration. What I won’t listen to is any hate comments without criticism, I’ll just block you.

If you're going to send in an NSFW ask, please turn off anon, otherwise I'm not gonna respond to it or I'll make it SFW, thank you!

More might be added/changed to most sections as I develop this

EXTRA LINKS/INFO

This is a side account so any other interaction will come from @starswirlfoxgames

I also have a Twitter that will be STRICTLY 18+: https://twitter.com/Starsw1rlF0x

Ask box is always gonna be open unless I say otherwise so feel free to spam me with asks!

I typically try to do asks in order from which I get them but one might be late if I'm struggling with ideas. I wanna try and have a posting schedule which will be 10 am and 5 pm.

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[someoneimsure]

Hello.. I dunno where to start with this but I need some advice if you’re willing to give it. When I just joined the site around a year ago, I had nooo clue about internet safety or warning signs or even what an anti or a pro shipper was. I barely knew how tumblr worked basically. I had always identified as asexual after hearing its definition from a friend a few years ago, so I didn’t know that would be a problem on the internet, either (spoiler alert: it was) basically when I was very new to both tumblr and the whole fandom experience I kind of accidentally fell into a really, reallyyyy bad, toxic subsection of fans because those were the blogs recommended to me by tumblr 😭 none of them identified them as antis (didn’t know what that was) but said if you were proship not to follow them, which I also didn’t know what that was, so I just followed them anyway. When I had like ~35 followers some biggish account follows me back and starts acting veryyyy buddy-buddy. Sliding into messages, trying to pressure me for personal information like my name, age, and selfie. I said a fake name and my real age but refused a selfie because of internet safety and made me feel guilty for it.. they also reblogged a bunch of reblog bait CONSTANTLY like ‘what color are your eyes?’ ‘What hair texture are you?’ ‘What’s your skin color?’ And tagged me in it. I was dumb and participated in it but now I feel sick that they were manipulatively trying to figure out what I looked like. They also tagged me in several little ask games where you also tag your other mutuals at the end of it, that will be important later. Basically, they literally OUT OF THE BLUE went on several long, longggg, vitriolic rants about how much they absolutely despised asexual people, how we are single handedly oppressing gay people and trying to ban gay sex, how we want to be oppressed so badly, how straight we ‘basically’ are, how much asexual headcanons annoyed and disgusted them in fandom, etc. mind you, I had my sexuality in my bio at the time. I was very meek and naive (this was only a year ago lmao how times change) and decided to respond to the rants in the morning about how they made me feel. Went to bed, woke up, found out I had been softblocked on the false assumption that I was a dirty hidden proshipper because I had reblogged from someone with a username like antis solve nothing or something idk, again didn’t know what that was but actually was following them for their niche fandom meta, I learned later what the whole fandom shipping stuff was and don’t feel one way or another about it but am starting to think it was just an excuse to softblock me since she knew I was asexual lmao. Also how do I know she softblocked me for this? She made a post about it and called me a cockroach which… wow, where have I heard that one before… (I’m Jewish btw so if I’ve become accustomed to being compared to a bug) But this is all just backdrop. I blocked them and moved on with my life because tbh I don’t really give a fuck one way or another, but I started to receive death threats periodically from makeshift side blogs, occasionally from anonymous as well. They always say the same thing and I only get them once in a great while, so just going off that, there’s no way I’d be able to find out who actually sent them… except that the death threats also targeted my mutuals. Specifically, the mutuals who I tagged in the little ask games I was asked to participate in by the toxic mutual. So that’s why I think it’s them, and it’s honestly scary how far they’ve gone to circumvent my various blocks (I must’ve blocked them like 11 different times now) and ig. I dunno what to do. Or even if it is actually them. But I have a strong suspicion it is. What do you think?

I am so sorry you experienced that anon! I agree with your suspicion. This is very typical anti behavior. You’ve accidentally become their hyperfixation, and now they are stalking you.

There are ways to solve this problem without deleting your blog, but your friends might have to change their urls so they are no long being linked back to the ask game. (I assume the stalker in this scenario has reblogged the ask game already. Unfortunately, your solution is going to be complicated because changing your url will not prevent them from finding you.)

For all of your friends, I recommend blocking the stalker, changing your urls, and then all of you doing this:

Turn off anon. You can do this from the app and from the web browser. In the latter, it’s located under Edit Appearance.

Turn on invisibility. This is located in the web browser version under Edit Appearance at the way bottom.

Wait a month before switching back.

This is the bare minimum measure to prevent and avoid being harassed on tumblr. It is not foolproof, but it will force the cowards to think twice before harassing you. If they continue to harass you, they won’t be on anon when they do it and it will give you more credibility when you report them to tumblr for spam and harassment. (Though I don't believe I have ever seen the staff do anything about it... hellsite <3.)

There is a more complicated way to solve this problem, but it’s a headache. It involves deleting your blog.

If the above doesn't stop them from harassing you, or worse they come back to harassing you after a month, you may have to delete your blog. I would need to do a little more research before I can say how to do so without losing your url. Some sources say you can't use your url after 24 hours of changing or deleting a blog, but that has not been my experience with switching accounts. As far as I know, you will have to be very vigilant and fast to grab your url again. I am hoping to find some way to avoid that though.

Fortunately, tumblr has an export/import ability on the web browser so at least your posts can be saved and recovered. The same cannot be said for followers, following, and liked posts, so if you must take this option you will need to at least save the names of all your mutuals so you can follow them when your blog is up again.

[tequila-starlight]

About Me & Asking Rules

Below is some facts about myself and some rules to heed/information if you'd like to send an ask!

About Me

Call me Star or Storm! I'm an adult (Obviously) and go by any pronouns! I speak English and some extremely basic Mandarin Chinese (I'm better at speaking compared reading and writing. Classic 'speaks English everywhere except when visiting grandparents' stuff).

I usually write M/M ships, I do write F/F, M/F and others as well! I strive to post every 1-2 months, depending on length and my IRL schedule!

Feel free to interact with my posts at any time. Feel free to talk to me about them as well. There’s no such thing as being too late!

I’m a multishipper who loves ships! Doesn't matter if they're popular, rare or crack! Both characters and ships for me range from neutral to absolutely love! There’s no such thing as hating any ship or character for me.

I’m proship because I’m anti-harassment and anti-censorship. Most my ships are socially acceptable anyway, so you won’t find problematic stuff too often. But when you do, you can check out my ‘Tag List’ post for the list of ‘cw tags’!

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This is a strictly positive, fandom-only blog. I will NOT answer asks involving politics, real world events, real people, and anything hateful. Remember to always be polite. Gushing is fine, and so is going on at length about your favourite characters, but do NOT come into my inbox demanding things or generally being rude.

For anons that want to identify themselves with emojis, here is a list of emojis already been taken! Be careful not to overlap with other anons!

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You can hop into my inbox to...

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If your ask contains ns/fw content, please START THE ASK WITH NS/FW or NSFT. If your ask contains subjects that may be uncomfortable/triggering, please START THE ASK WITH CW/TW -INSERT WARNING-. I'm fine with a bunch of kinks, so go crazy in my inbox!

Just take note of the stuff listed below that I am NOT comfortable with!

Please do NOT send me asks containing...

•Sexual asks with characters below 15 years of age (Aged up characters is fine. All characters with vague or unspecified ages shall be assumed to be adults)

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•Scat

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[luesmainblog]

purely for transparency reasons: when antis refer to “proshipping” they are usually referring to Problematic shipping. so, if a ship would be abusive in real life, it counts; power dynamics, huge age differences, incest, that sort of thing. (that said, antis will usually just Decide something is problematic whether it actually is in canon or not. bare that in mind.) proshippers generally view these things as roughly equivalent to loving slasher films. you wouldn’t assume that someone who enjoys evil dead ACTUALLY wants to see a bunch of teenagers torn to shreds, right? so it’s extremely weird to assume people who enjoy that sort of shipping are supportive of such relationships in real life. (some antis will take it a step further and say that Even if you’re adamantly against it in real life, it’s still morally wrong to enjoy it in fiction. these are, in my experience, the most likely to justify harassment.) also worth clarity: being Uncomfortable with and Disliking that sort of shipping does not make you antiship. it is specifically the belief that, because those ships are Morally Wrong, it is okay to harass people. antis send anon hate. antis send sui bait. antis send uncensored gore. antis call the police on you for a fucking fanfiction. this also tends to go hand-in-hand with anti-kink. basically, proshipping means you’re normal about it and you’re capable of minding your own damn business. it was the default and encouraged setting for most of the internet’s history. it’s only in fairly recent times - i’d say maybe the last 5 years? - that it’s become such a big fucking deal. most of the time if you see “proship DNI” on someone’s profile, they’re just stating that they don’t wanna see incest tags on their art, but one should remain aware that this is actively siding with puritanical fandom wank as The Norm.

Can someone explain what proshipping is and Why is it so bad?

[carbonateddelusion]

Hi, I'm Rox (they/she/he). I make art and write sometimes. I'm 19. You can also call me Tonic or Mixer.

art blog: @carbonatedmalice

main: @carbonateddelusion

secondary: @roxyourworld

art rb account: @letthesparksfly

art ref rbs: @rockin-artreferences

Likes and reblog spam are fine. Everything can be reblogged unless it's marked "do not rb" in the tags. If you're unsure because a post is personal, ask.

My main story features a lot of themes such as sexual abuse, child abuse, murder, domestic violence, etc.- if that isn't your cup of tea, you'd best stay away for your own wellbeing. I won't take it personally. Everything is tagged properly if you're willing to step beyond that, though.

I don't tolerate aphobes, TERFs, MAPs, or other kinds of bigots. Also please skip out on following me if you're frequently involved in political arguments and other such discourse. This includes proship/anti discourse. I do not have the mental meats to deal with that right now.

Play nice on my main- I have a lot of minor friends. If you wanna be The Horny, go to my art blog.

I don't mind tagging certain things if it upsets people, but please keep in mind that this is a courtesy and not something you are entitled to. My catch-all tag for anything suggestive is "suggestive cw" and my tags for anything more than just "haha dick joke" are "nsfw" and "nsft".

Art trades and requests are (usually) open, especially to mutuals! The only things I won't draw are anything related to fetishes, p0rn, or full reference sheets.

some OC family trees here

my boundaries for gift art

linktree for my socials

here's all of my mutual and anon tags

here's a link to a bunch of tags I don't use anymore

updated oc tags masterpost

I also have a Ko-fi! please let me know if you want something drawn in return for your donation.

[bubbelpop2]

I didn't know you were proship! /pos

My brother in Christ this is a blog that features a yandere desperate and disgusting 40 something year old spamton creeping on a Y/N of indeterminate age

This is all /gen but I'm a little salty that I HAVE to be put in either category because antis just. Didn't used to exist. Appreciate the sentiment though! Kinda used this to rant adnkrdc

The internet has always been that way. It's only very recently that "antis" have even been a thing.

Please refer to this post on the fandom rules of common courtesy of the old internet.

I am only "proship/profic" by happenstance, because "antis" MADE it a thing. People in the old days just. Did what they wanted, and if you didn't like something, you simply avoided it. Case closed.

"Antis": if you ship this bad thing you are obviously trying to normalize and eventually legalize this bad thing. Like like murder! and stalking and abuse and underage relationships!! Time to make callout posts and send hate anons to people who are literal children, and if they're NOT literal children, I will devalue the term pedophile to make it impossible to catch ACTUAL predators on this site. Anyone who disagrees with me is an abuser.

Also the amount of antis that turn out to be literal abusers or yanderes or have secret problematic ships they're afraid to show their friends really just shows that it's. It's all performative anyways.

"Pros" (read: normal people): I don't like this thing. I think I will simply not read it, and block op and blacklist this tag. There we go.

Characters are tools to use in fiction to tell a story. They are not people, and will never be people.

Also I got a bunch of people literally telling me to kill myself because I wanted to fuck Raymond from animal crossing because he's "a cat," (he is an anthro, not a cat) and "child coded" whatever the fuck that means

[jackalopey]

this is about ridiculous online discourse so theres your warning to not read it

but i am so fucking tired of grown adults thinking that theyre in the right for going out of their way to belittle and patronise children on the internet

does it matter if a 15 year old thinks your ship is creepy? like, seriously, why does that bother you? if you’ve been tagging it appropriately then the 15 year old shouldnt be seeing it in the first place, but also, if you dont like what someone’s saying you can block them

i don’t understand how people can reach their late 20s, early 30s or older and still not know how to maturely handle disagreements, but then, i guess it’s not that uncommon for adults to be insanely disrespectful towards children

not like the whole ‘discourse’ is actually ‘adults v minors’, anyway. it’s ridiculous that it gets characterised that way. there are adults who are ‘antis’ and kids who are ‘proship’ (which, you know is a whole issue itself, but let’s not get into it)

im not an ‘anti’ or a ‘proship’ because i think both labels are absolutely ridiculous and reductive, and if you make shipping discourse a major part of your identity and youre not a 15 year old im going to think youre fucking weird and want nothing to do with you, though id take being around an ‘anti’ any day

because, like, what impact is the anti really going to have on the real world? you can block them and move on. if it gets really bad you can turn off your anon or spend less time online. sure that sucks for you, and im not pro-harassment, but there are practical things you can do to limit how much of an impact it has on you

but rape culture is a thing that impacts every survivor, which is what’s being perpetuated when people romanticise sexual assault, csa, grooming or incest. i can’t get away from a society that thinks im to blame for my abuse, that im over-reacting being traumatised, or that abuse simply doesnt happen. i cant just turn my computer off and get away from it because its fucking everywhere

‘fiction doesn’t impact reality’ is absolute bullshit and if you’re an adult you must know that’s true. the simple fact that you’re writing or reading fic is evidence of fiction impacting reality. there have been countless sociological studies on the impact of fiction on how we think, propaganda is a thing, and fiction impacting reality is the entire reason why things like positive representation matters. or do you also think its fine for every fictional character to be a white cishet man?

to you, what you’re writing or reading about might ‘just’ be fiction, and you may not think that impacts your real life, but to me and many other survivors it reflects things that we’ve really experienced, and attitudes that we’ve seen

you write a fic where someone gets groomed, but the fic presents this as cute and romantic? yeah, well, that’s how my abuser wanted our relationship to be presented, too. you write a fic that involves an incestuous relationship, but hey it’s not a big deal because it’s not like they lived together, or it’s not like they had a big age gap, or it’s okay because they really care for each other? cool, that’s another justification that abusers use. you can’t separate these things from reality because these are real ideas that real abusers use to control their real victims

what’s a fun ‘taboo’ story to you is a lifetime of real trauma to someone else

this shit is why i don’t feel safe engaging with fandom. i love writing, i love discussing fandom with other people, and i’ve even started to enjoy drawing, but it feels like more trouble than it’s worth. do i really want to risk having an episode because some self-centered, patronising git thinks that pedophilia is actually super hot? hell fucking no

and like, i dont think either side is ‘right’, because it’s not like either side is one set ideology, it’s a bunch of different people all saying different things. but when the worst crime of one side is saying ‘thats a problematic heigh difference’ and the worst crime of the other side is saying ‘that 6 year old is sexy’, it’s really fucking easy to decide which one i’d rather deal with

(and yes i know im strawmanning both sides there, thats the point)

like god yall are so hostile towards survivors, and you either don’t know or don’t care, but i’m erring more towards the second one, because i bet not a single proshipper would ever be willing to actually listen

literally all i want is to be able to engage with fandom without having to see this fucked up discourse, but yall keep proving my point by refusing to tag shit

(and none of this is even getting into the way some of yall think youre above criticism. you want your fanwork to be respected but only when people are kissing your ass. cant take basic levels of social critique, throwing a tantrum if a 15 yr old doesnt want to see your porn)