#anon if youre stuck feeling emotions for og!lloyd because arcos mentions he hated (despised? dont remeber the wording) og!lloyd i understand

[sunflowercider]

does arcos and marbella stop og lloyd from drinking but og lloyd just keeps on doing it or they just let him be or they became scared of him? wait has og lloyd also been violent towards his parents and javier ? i remember he is with julian and the servants and everyone else

Literally the first thing we ever hear from Marbella is her asking if Lloyd went out drinking, and then with "heartache and worry" in her eyes saying "You should enjoy it in moderation. It is not good for your health." She walks away sighing. (In my eyes, its implied this conversation has happened before.) Like that's halfway through chapter 1.

In chapter 7, Lloyd asks Arcos for the soldiers to help him make ondols. Arcos is impressed by the business plan, but not his intentions. He brings up something that happened two years ago.

So they tried to believe in og!lloyd, but it seems it never stuck. He was never violent to his parents, but yeah, he wasn't kind to Javier or Julian. You must remember Javier and Julian are the same age, and Lloyd is 5 years older than both of them. So when the story of the wooden sword being broken in half happens...

That's a little 6 year old Javier crying because an 11 year old Lloyd broke it in half. There's no stories about being violent to Javier's person (I imagine Javier quickly becoming good at fighting would have scared a man like og!Lloyd off), but it's clear that Lloyd didn't change much if this is still the incident that Javier thinks exemplified Lloyd until Suho came around.

As for Julian, yes, Lloyd was violent to him. In fact, Julian's last time he ever saw og!lloyd was when he went to say goodbye before heading to the capital, and Lloyd simply throws a bottle at him, shattering it and leaving a tiny scar on his face.

Sorry nonnie, you will not find an og!lloyd defender here. I feel a sort of pity in him, as I think there was potential in him to shape up and face reality if he felt like it. But he never did. And the damage he does to family and citizens takes actual engineering miracles and life-threatening emergencies to clear up.