#and when i look thru chaggie fics i exclude ALL categories that isn't f/f so that i could only see chaggie focused fics

[barb-l]

“Vaggie would do numbers in the fandom if everything was the same except she were a white boy.”

Yes. Yes. YES! You get it, my guy/girl/person. The hate and vitriol that Vaggie receives from this fandom is absolutely disgusting and ridiculous. As a GIANT Vaggie fan, this is something I can go on and on about because what the actual fuck did she do to warrant so much disdain from people?

Vaggie haters really baffle me; they'll excuse any wrong done to Vaggie as long as she doesn't retaliate, and they call her out for shit that other characters do while giving the other characters a pass. People hate on her for being the ‘grump’ 24/7 (which isn’t true at all), yet give Husk laughs and hype him up for doing the same; people hate on her for being a simp for her girlfriend, yet they think it’s cute when it’s Lucifer; people hate on her for being violent, yet it’s perfectly fine when it’s Lute and Adam and Alastor and— you get the point.

People character assassinate/bash her for no reason at all other than they hate her. On AO3 and Tumblr, there’s this person that has multiple fics and posts just bashing Vaggie. They deadass made Lute and Vaggie switch personalities in a few of their stories - like, legit made Vaggie a jerk and Lute a saint out of petty, unreasonable hatred for Vaggie. Their excuse? They said and I quote: “I hate her. 🩷” If you hate her so much, maybe just say it once and move on because that obsession you have with ‘hating’ her says otherwise.

This person and others simply do not give Vaggie the same grace that they give other characters.

People call her boring despite her having a very interesting backstory that the show hasn’t deep-dived into yet. These same people take interest in Vox’s overrated ass even though we know fuck all about his past. People will also do deep analyses on characters with very little info on them, yet turn around and call Vaggie ‘underdeveloped.’ I’m not understanding. Is it because she’s a woman? Is it because she’s not a villain? What is it?

Sorry for this long rant, I’m just so tired of Vaggie getting mistreated by this fandom. It’s soooo frustrating and annoying.

No need to apologize. I had a good time reading this whole thing lol

[red-balloon12]

THIS- ALL OF THIS-

I keep saying that if people just took the time to think about her character and all that is established so far, they’d have more to talk about with her. But they don’t do that because….idk character bias? Misogyny? It’s crazy that the show did show what her character is about and it’s as if the fandom collectively ignored it. It’s like it needs to be spelled out to them.

“Vaggie is an ex soldier who feels like she needs to serve people to feel useful. This includes Charlie and this isn’t healthy.”

It’s not that hard, people. But people will go through great lengths for characters like Vox or Alastor even though we know jack about their backstory. It’s so frustrating. And it also feels like people don’t have as much patience for Vaggie like they do with other characters. Calling her “underdeveloped” even though we just got through the first season and we just kinda got her backstory. (This goes for Chaggie too. Calling it underdeveloped even though we have time to go through their story. It’s no different from Ruby and Sapphire from Steven Universe. When we get their backstory in future seasons and it’s not in S1)

The fandom is so full of hypocrisy and bias and I hate it. When I say “Vaggie deserves better” I just don’t mean the show. In fact, the show is sadly more forgiving to Vaggie than the fandom which isn’t saying a lot. People need to drop their bias and actually give an effort to really understand Vaggie. Talk to people that like her so you can get a second opinion.

I’m so tired of the same cookie cutter criticism from people who aren’t even going to try to understand her and I’m tired of trying to explain shit to them too. I just going to continue to block them. The people who actually want to try and understand Vaggie, I’ll save my explanations for them.

“Vaggie would do numbers in the fandom if everything was the same except she were a white boy.”

Yes. Yes. YES! You get it, my guy/girl/person. The hate and vitriol that Vaggie receives from this fandom is absolutely disgusting and ridiculous. As a GIANT Vaggie fan, this is something I can go on and on about because what the actual fuck did she do to warrant so much disdain from people?

Vaggie haters really baffle me; they'll excuse any wrong done to Vaggie as long as she doesn't retaliate, and they call her out for shit that other characters do while giving the other characters a pass. People hate on her for being the ‘grump’ 24/7 (which isn’t true at all), yet give Husk laughs and hype him up for doing the same; people hate on her for being a simp for her girlfriend, yet they think it’s cute when it’s Lucifer; people hate on her for being violent, yet it’s perfectly fine when it’s Lute and Adam and Alastor and— you get the point.

People character assassinate/bash her for no reason at all other than they hate her. On AO3 and Tumblr, there’s this person that has multiple fics and posts just bashing Vaggie. They deadass made Lute and Vaggie switch personalities in a few of their stories - like, legit made Vaggie a jerk and Lute a saint out of petty, unreasonable hatred for Vaggie. Their excuse? They said and I quote: “I hate her. 🩷” If you hate her so much, maybe just say it once and move on because that obsession you have with ‘hating’ her says otherwise.

This person and others simply do not give Vaggie the same grace that they give other characters.

People call her boring despite her having a very interesting backstory that the show hasn’t deep-dived into yet. These same people take interest in Vox’s overrated ass even though we know fuck all about his past. People will also do deep analyses on characters with very little info on them, yet turn around and call Vaggie ‘underdeveloped.’ I’m not understanding. Is it because she’s a woman? Is it because she’s not a villain? What is it?

Sorry for this long rant, I’m just so tired of Vaggie getting mistreated by this fandom. It’s soooo frustrating and annoying.

No need to apologize. I had a good time reading this whole thing lol