#and well there's swans but you end up with the same problem because gira is also a fucking devil
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it's insane and infuriating to me when people ask for alternatives to daughters and people only recommend really standard hardcore punk or whatever that just doesn't meet the need. the pull of ywgwyw is literally the math, the force and momentum that makes you feel like you're having a heart attack
#it also wouldn't surprise me if it's why you get a response like 'well they just were unique so separate art from artist maybe :\'#no they're in a well established tradition and studied alt math rock religiously and knew what they were doing#you need to hear the vocals clearly as well imo#real alternatives are chat pile of course (they're so much more than just an alt to those shits and they're better!) listen to pamela#black midi- 'near dt mi' is good but i wouldn't rec the rest of schlagenheim in this context if you're looking for alts#dazzling killmen's face of collapse with the MASSIVE caveat that they aren't anywhere NEAR as heavy because#[waves hand] earlier production i guess i don't know#same with craw's lost nation road#their work is fantastic but unfortunately isn't As heavy/meaty but meets the aggression of daughters tenfold with even more experimentation#and colossamite who i've found recently - vocals aren't as clean though i guess#but the rhythm; push and pull; the gravity -meeting the force of human anger and fear and frustration- is there in all these guys#and of course a lot of albini and albini produced works#steelworker by big black#HOD by distorted pony#and well there's swans but you end up with the same problem because gira is also a fucking devil#oh and if you don't mind mostly instrumental Lightning Bolt is also a really similar band for intensity
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