#and thought of how much marcille was willing to do to get falin back

[somnimagus]

you are worth all the struggle and bloody mess

[id in alt text]

[dunmeshi-darlings]

Hi! May I please request some angst?

Marcille,Falin, and Laios (separate) with an isekai'd terminally ill s/o who needs to go back to their world in order to get treatment, since their disease is incredibly advanced, by their standards, and not easy for magic to handle.

However, the three want to save their s/o, but at the same time doesn't want them to go back to their world.

Aye a somber request but one i can do. After All, The whole worlds a stage. For some it is a comedy, Others an adventure, and yet still for others it is a tragedy. But all must play there part one way or another.

When you first arrived marcille was in awe, Not only did another entire reality exist, but you had apparently somehow been teleported from there?! She had questioned you for hours about the world, about what it was like. Fascinated that it was a world of technology in a vaguely similar fashion to the dwarves machinery, yet even more advanced. How it was a world without monsters and only had regular animals. How it was a world inhabited only by People like you, Nothing but tallmen (though in reality you and the rest of the people from your world werent tallmen, they just happened to be the most similar to your people). But strangest of all it had no magic (or so you thought), The idea seemed foreign to her and she couldnt even imagine what it could possibly be like.

You two had grown closer and fallen in love and marcille viewed you as a gift from the divine...but like all divinity they are cruel and can change there whims in a split second. It started off with a small cough, neither of you were particularly worried about it, sicknesses come and go after all. But the cough over time slowly progressed and got worse and worse, it eveolved into a tightness in the chest and struggle breathing. you became unable to do most physical things as your condition worsened, Then the dry coughing grew worse when one day you coughed into your hand and when you pulled it away it was soaked in blood.

Marcille tried everything she could, she had asked falin to do everything she could, but sadly to no avail as the healer couldnt seem to slow this disease. She asked laios for help who spent a small fortune of his newly aquired kingdoms gold to try and find you the best healers in the world to no avail. Marcille was at her wits end, she couldnt see you die. She had seen so many people she loved and cared about die already, she couldnt loose you too. However one day you brought up an idea, one that broke her heart almost as much as the idea of your death did. "i think...the only ones who could help....me..are doctors from...my world.."

Marcille begged and pleaded, she didnt want to loose you that way either...but she knew deep down that there was no magic here that could help. The both of you knew that with the magic of this world, your death was certain and you needed to go back to be treated...but...but what if...what if marcille used magic not of this world.

That dark beckoning call came to her once more, its powerful embrace called out to her, it whispered gilded words that dripped a hopeful venom. It asked of her how far would she be willing to go to save the one she loved? If her true desire was to save you, she would do anything right?....right?

She had already used its power once, what harm would using it once more do? Maybe it could save you? maybe it could fix this disease and you and her could live happily ever after. Marcille had already called upon these dark ruinous powers before, it would be so simple to do it again? Who cares about the law, of morality, of the dangers this magic poses...Would marcille truly wield that eldritch power once more to save you? consequences be damned...right?

Your arrival was incredibly to falin, the idea of a whole new world of wonder, of things to see and do, a whole new world of beauty she had never seen before made her giddy. You and her would sit up for hours as you told her stories of your world, of just how different it was than her world, how the people were, how life was. And though there were many sad stories, Falin always found it comforting to know that so many good things happened in this other world to, that no matter how grim the world seemed. There would always be people being happy and living there lives and trying to make the world a better place, it made her smile. The two of you grew closer and eventually you confessed your feelings for her, however she giggled saying how she had planned on doing the same as well. The two of you getting together as you two travelled together after laios's ascension to be the new golden kingdoms king. However, Death once more made its presence known in the door of falins home, but instead of seeing her once more it decided to come calling the one person she hoped most it would never see for years.

The coughing was the first sign something was wrong, Falin was a gifted healer and so she used her magic to try and get rid of it...but it didnt work, no matter what she did that cough wouldnt go away, at most only disapearing for a day or so then coming right back. Its progression only getting worse and worse as she frantically tried to out heal the symptoms, each time she would try to heal you she would be in tears. messy tear drops falling down her cheeks as she would use her healing magic over and over and over till she herself would throw up from magic sickness.

By the time you had started coughing up blood you had to force falin to stop trying to heal you, you both knew it wasnt going to work and that she was just hurting herself and that broke your heart. the two of you laying together as you both sobbed at all of this..it wasnt fair, it wasnt right. How could something so awful happen to such an amazing and loving person....falin couldnt believe it could happen. Eventually you told her one night you had an idea. "Falin...i think the only way ill survive is if i go back to my world...and get help there."

It broke falins heart, because she knew deep down you were right...that the only hope you had was to go back to your world and get help there. Falin was quiet for awhile, her mind racing before she softly takes a hold of your hands. "Ok...if thats the case...IM GOING WITH YOU!"

She shouts confusing you, asking her if she is serious!? would she just leave this world behind? her nodding saying that your her world and wherever you go she wants to be right there with you. And besides, she cant loose you..

When you first showed up laios was excited about the possibility to learn about all new monsters in a whole new reality....however when you told him that monsters werent a thing he couldnt help but admit how your world seemed boring.

Despite that he adored you as the two of you grew closer and closer and eventually got together. You ruling the golden kingdom alongside him. The two of you ruling the kingdom together happily, Despite laios endless hunger and curse towards monsters he was happy. you help him deal with the stress of ruling the kingdom, But perhaps fate had one last curse in store for laios...or perhaps this was some aspect of the winged lions curse on him itself.

You started off with coughing, Laios noting it was likely a cold or something and asking falin or marcille to use healing magic to help..but it didnt work. You only continued to grow worse and laios grew more and more worried. He looked through his books about monsters trying to find something in them that might heal you. He had you drink multiple brothes, eat mixtures of vegetables and herbs, bath in some monster blood but nothing was helping. None of the medicinal properties of the various monster parts he would hire people to go get would work.

By the time you had started coughing up blood, laios had all but given up hope. Nothing was working, no matter what he did, no monster remedies could help, neither marcille or falins magic could help..and his own healing magic wasnt great. He would just sit by your bedside and cry into the sheets as he held you. Eventually though you spoke to him. "Laios...i think the only way ill live..is if i go back...the doctors of my world are more advanced...its the best chance i have."

It tore laios to pieces to hear this, he hated the idea of loosing you. he had almost lost his sister, and he was so afraid to loose you too. But he knew you were right, it was the best chance you had. He would join you if he could...but he couldnt, he had to rule over the golden kingdom. There was nobody else that could rule it in his place, He had to stay behind..and it ate him alive. He told you that he would always be yours, and that he would always think of you no matter what. And as long as you lived, thats all that mattered to him.

[candlecordyceps]

Ok I’m taking the time to Yap now WARNING FOR ANIME SPOILERS IF YOU HAVENT WATCHED IT!!!

This is just my raw emotional reactions, opinions, and just general interpretations of the last few scenes in the episode.

Starting off, I’m beginning with Shuro confronting Laois for what he did. Shuro seems to be a very high-standing fellow from what I’ve been given so far (as an anime only currently- I will start reading the manga once it finishes releasing I promise). He has guards that are close to him, and I assume he’s rich, and knowing that he will DEFINITELY care a lot more about black magic and laws, because they effect him more due to his (assumed) status. He’s understandably terrified of what this means for Falin. And he confronts Laois by asking him,

“Do you know what you’ve done?” He tells him all the hell that he can go through for it, what FALIN will go through for it, Marcille will go through- but Laois knows.

He’s well aware of the consequences and he was willing to do it anyways. For Falin. For his sister. Because she was willing to risk her life for him and for everyone, everyone followed suit, and the desperation to do so was so powerful they were willing to do what it took. And Laois ALSO knows, that despite what Shuro is doing right now,

He would’ve done the same. Shuro won’t kill him, because he knows he would’ve done anything too. Laois doesn’t GET people. He thought he could trust Shuro to be quiet. At this point it’s pretty obvious to me, especially in the episode with him being clingy and friendly with Shuro, calling him the one of the “only ones to call him a friend”, despite Shuro’s very obvious uncomfortable-disturbed-annoyed attitude toward Laois and general unwellness being unnoticed (until told specifically of it, to which Laois immediately got onto Shuro about his health). Yet, he knows Shuro would’ve done anything too.

Shuro stays his sword, Laois wishes for understanding, Kabru gets a drama boner (I find it funny how into it he is), and the scene changes. And FUCK man.

Laois loves Falin so much, and he knows how much Shuro cares. He cared enough to return. He told him everything because he needs the help, and he’s banking on the care for Falin to be enough to work with him to return her to safety. I’m SOOOO hoping he does help. That he breaks down and the sword falls from Laois’s neck. That even though it goes against a law so potent it could get everyone involved into extremely deep trouble, the bonds he’s made are enough. I don’t know Shuro well enough at all. Lord knows if he’ll even keep it to himself if they get out of the dungeon. But GOD am I not thrilled to figure out more. AND NOW, to the scene that made me scream from my seat multiple times,

Faliiiiiinnnnnnnnn GHHHHHOOOODDDD. When I tell you I GASPED. Watching the hands that we had witnessed painstakingly put together. The hands That two people took the care into fixing and making sure each was in the perfect place- scraping against the floor. Bloody around the sleeves, clawing forward- on a mission for someone she doesn’t actually know. Her mind is warped by the mission of the mage. Put back together just to bleed and be reshaped and melded to something scary and unknown and new-

AND ITS TERRIFYING. LOOK AT HER. JESUS CHRRRIIIIIIIST. Someone so loved and someone they all want to protect is RIGHT THERE, but she’s almost unrecognizable beyond her face, and mentally she’s so incredibly far away.

I can’t imagine the distress in everyone as they realize that they have to fight the exact person they’ve been fighting for. Because there’s no way she is peaceful and there is no way she’ll just “be Falin” without some extreme inbetweens. There’s no way that the mage doesn’t return if/when they succeed. I’m SOO excited to witness them figure it out and try to save her once more.

IF YOU MADE IT HERE THANKS FOR READING ME YAPPING!! This is mainly a little storage for me later when I wanna revisit and figure out what I thought before I knew what happened. Have a nice day/night readers!

[mesmerizingtumult]

First of all, you are SO right about some of these, however I could not shut up about how wrong I think you are about the Touden's and Marcille. Marcille being the most.. not okay for me at all.

I do not feel like Rage is the aspect for Falin, though I haven't thought of a replacement, while Laios' class is most definitely not Page but Knight, I will elaborate on that after I talk about Marcille.

I do not agree in her class nor her aspect. I can see why one would think these suit her, but I did some (excruciating and obsessive) reading, compared opinions, and then came to this conclusion: Marcille is a Seer of Rage. And I will explain why.

I am mostly an anime follower but I've recently started reading the manga, and up until now I've not seen anything that would ultimately place Marcille in the Mage class.

Mages are scientists, they learn first hand through experience, they use and bend their aspect. In a sense, they are the ones who write the books, the ones who create hypothesis and proof theories, they are field explorers, creators.

Yes, some of these things apply to Marcille, but also not quite. Marcille is a Scholar, her knowledge comes second hand, she reads books and haves mentors, goes to school, utilizes the things learned and applies it to where she sees fit. We do not see her creating any spells, we do not see her going all mad-scientist and bending reality to her whims, we see her doing magic that she learned, combining stuff she knows and getting the results that she wants. Mages learn through their own experience, Seers learn through other people's experiences.

We never really see Marcille fail (I can't say that with confidence really, since I haven't finished the damn thing, but bear with me), all the things she does ultimately work, like the familiar's. She doesn't quite struggle in making them, she knows how to make one, she makes it correctly, she doesn't have experience with those other than information that she studied (at least that I know of).

The thing she struggles with is the forms of the familiar's for the task at hand. Something she had never ever studied about or done before, and it is only after Lios's try that she can make the Skyfish, after his attempt fails and she comes to a realization of what features are needed for the Skyfish to be created and be useful.

Second hand experience. Second hand knowledge. And also she being in the dungeon to study it (again, analysing the work of someone else to learn from it instead of learning through trial an error) makes me think she is a Seer.

Now, her aspect. Why the hell Rage?

I am very glad we both agree that Rage is more than just wacky crazy clowns getting mad. There is more about rage than that. Rage is performance, Rage is Passion, Rage is determination and Rage is Fanaticism.

The aspect was a hard one for me because Marcille has tints of Time, Doom and Void all over the place, but in the end I decided on Rage because really, Rage is what defines her the most.

She has a goal, what her goal is it's not really important, but rather WHY she has this goal.

Marcille is a character that loves and loves deeply, she is devoted to those she allows herself to care for, and it hurts her immensely when she loses them. We see her joining Laios on a lose quest to save Falin, we see how scared she is of losing Laios in her nightmare, how guilty she feels about making Falin a chimera even though she is not sure if it was even her fault, how much she misses her pet bird and how deeply traumatized she was by the death of her father.

She is not afraid of being alone, she hides behind her mother's portrait and builds a wall of politeness around herself that keeps her from getting attached to anyone else until she meets Falin and warms up to her.

And when she lets herself love and be loved, Falin becomes almost like a god in her eyes. She is so devoted to Falin that she doesn't care using illegal black magic to bring her back, willing to throw everything away, her goals and desires in case of being found out, just to get Falin back.

It is vastly known in the Homestuck community that Hope is what makes the most believers, but Rage tends to be the one that creates the deepest fanatics.

They tend to be reckless and let their emotions guide them, blind them if you will, and have a tendency for tunnel vision.

So, summarizing, marcille is a deeply emotional person and her main goal in life is because of how deeply she loved and misses those who she cared/cares for. This is why I think she is Rage-bound

here is my masterpiece. enjoy

[frostiifae]

hey wait a sec it's my blog and i get to do and say whatever the fuck i want

i know this show has been spoiled to hell and back for everyone already but it's a good excuse for a readmore anyway

i want to reiterate that i really like the show becuase i'm going to say a LOT of negative stuff about it. it's really good. however,

laios fucking sucks. i want to be forgiving and subjective here but i just cannot emphasize enough how much i despise laios as a character. it has been twelve fucking episodes and i have given a shit about him or his feelings i think exactly once that entire time. i cannot believe this show is daring to pretend that it is even remotely about laios. it is OBVIOUSLY ABOUT MARCILLE.

i'm using two whole bullet points to talk about how much i don't like laios! there are LOTS of fictional men out there who are like, autistic meatheads with no thoughts head empty disease. i don't care for any of them but a lot of people really like them and i'm willing to be sympathetic because most of them have at least likeable traits. laios does not. laios is not merely a moron (which i don't like but is arguably not his fault), he is also wildly self-centered, having done i think one thing at most to directly help another character without there being some direct benefit to him or his interests.

i know i'm sorry a third whole bullet point about laios but please listen to me. i understand that he is framed favorably by the narrative. this is because it is trying to lie to you and convince you he is the main character. do not be fooled. he is at most a clueless autistic brute with a quirky kind of disgusting special interest and a series of traits that make him exactly the brand of Barely Competent Adventurer the others need to actually make progress in the dungeon. if you find this to be an interesting character, fine, i guess, but know that i am judging your sense of taste

pun intended

ok i'm done shit talking laios let's talk about some other stuff. every other character is great!

marcille is obviously the best. i will forgive you if you don't feel that way because she is also autistic and neurotic in a way i'm sure some people find annoying. however, i constantly find myself identifying with her. she is just like me for real for real.

i really like the way senshi and chilchuck have both had mini-arcs contained within episodes, those have been some of my favorite moments with them. this is another reason why i am so adamant in my negativity towards laios btw. he hasn't had to go through shit. he is too blockheaded to undergo meaningful change

i'm really interested in namari and also the weird racial tension that's getting built on the surface, especially since i've heard that's supposed to become Extremely Relevant in the Near Future,

i went on a little rant about this with ellie after we finished the episode but the framing of episode 12 kinda bothers me, like. there's no way we haven't Been Knew that falin was probably going to be in a pretty gruesome state when we found her, in need of resurrection. it feels a little bit rushed, in a way? a little reliant on cheap shock value that feels really unearned and even dissonant with all of the foreshadowing about resurrection and its mechanics.

i wouldn't be surprised to hear that this is mostly an anime problem. there are a few broader-stroke type complaints i have surrounding the show's themes and tone not really seeming to line up with its presentation - it almost seems like some sort of deconstruction of the Cozy Hobby Anime but the anime itself doesn't really seem to... understand that? i don't know it's weird.

anyway a lot of my feelings boil down to the fact that i'm mostly here to see falin and marcille being really gay. and marcille REALLY delivers. she is absolutely head over heels for falin and it is not fucking subtle. but that does mean that i'm gnawing on my own arm anytime marcille is not directly on screen and that may or may not be anyone else's problem

thanks to my wonderful gf's persistence and patience and a mild nonsensical breakdown on my part i'm finally caught up on dunmesh (anime) woo

it's p good. i do not think anyone else will like my feelings on it

[lai-mar]

#dunmeshi thoughts#dunmeshi#L + M#i need a better tag for the two of them as a duo in an oddly ambiguous sense. hope you dont mind me using these op#laimar#<- just in case#but also yeah im very fond of their relationship#i very much like how comfortable they are with each other#its so crazy what do you MEAN they helped each other face their fears#what do you mean he asks her “would you be willing to stay?” and she becomes his right hand#i think its so so lovely that no matter how you choose to go about it they'd still be close#im very fond of how they care no matter what. that they become close with each other and dont stay “falin's friend” or “falin's brother”#to each other#L+M#i wrote that wrong earlier#dungeon meshi spoilers#that also#i think its very neat how much they look out for each other... laios being the first to notice she's struggling a lot...#being the one who helps her out without question#he's very sweet and i think marcille very much needs someone to look out for her or she'll run herself dry#i like that she trusts him more than anything and he does the same for her#i like that shes the first to find him at the end#idk. guy who runs away from every bad situation because he's gotten used to the idea that he's not wanted#and girl who's terribly loyal to her friends no matter what... how he's weird and it annoys her sometimes#but she doesnt love him less for it. he's her friend and she doesn't want him different. she likes him as he is#augh. clutching my head. male-female strong friendships save me........

YESSSS YOU GET ME. and yeah alternate tag.... you know how in mcyt fandom people make up different names for ships / platonic duos to separate them and it's a whole discussion. for my pair i just. mashed up their names and tagged it regardless of whether it's platonic or shippy or wtv. like sometimes i don't wanna specify whether it's shippy or not it's just i'm making this post about THEM. are they friends. lovers. something worse. i don't know. i don't care. it's about them. "in what way" yes. but for conventional fandoms obviously the name mashup has ship connotations and i don't wanna put a bunch of non shippy stuff in the ship tag (even if it's about the characters) soooo i'm kinda stuck here. but i know people also tag for filtering purposes. i think this is why i made a new blog actually so i can do whatever i want lmao and put my disclaimers in the profile

laios turned into his monster and marcille was like. oh i'll find you in every form. my last thought before falling unconscious was you. silly silly laios. don't look sad. come back and have a meal with us. they're soooooooooooo

I think. For me L+M is another example of a male+female pairing that seems a little too straightforward to ship in canon and hence some fans view it as “boring” and “low hanging fruit”, and as a result the ship is less popular despite having canon crumbs that you can interpret in a shippy way. So the ship being low hanging fruit turns around? In canon they have a strong friendship and lots of moments, and that’s what I like them as, friends (and they are canonically friends). Shipping these “straightforward straight pairings” can be a bit squicky (because I tend to think they are more interesting nonromantically) but it turns out in the end I will blatantly blaze through my squicks because I am desperate for content. And also because shippers actually care about them and their bond.

However, for these pairings people SOMEHOW usually impose a familial interpretation (siblings, in-laws) even though they are not related in canon either by blood or marriage. It’s more acceptable in DM because F/M certainly gets a lot of crumbs but it also kinda makes me salty to see people reduce L+M to being in laws only, like their only connection is through Falin, and that is just plain wrong. I have seen so many male+female pairings that get stuck in the fanon “sibling-coded” area and it’s like… guys it’s okay to not like them as a ship and not make them siblings. Guys. Not every kind of love has to be romantic or familial. I think sibling coding is fun and all that but sometimes it does feel like a “gotcha! I totally do not ship them because they’re like SIBLINGS to me and if you ship them you’re WEIRD”.

L+M would still be funny if it’s the fanon “lesbian elf teams up with her gf’s autistic brother and they squabble but work together to save the day” but canon L+M just drives me crazy because they obviously develop a bond outside of the other people they love, and they’ve basically known each other for two years only which is short even for a tallman lifespan, let alone Marcille’s. Actually I think what really gets me about L+M is that every time they get a moment that can be interpreted as shippy (eg. succubus, M wearing the dress in the Golden Country, even M knitting in the room with L in the Kensuke extra just like her mom used to do with her dad), there might be a few blushes and nervousness, but they quickly return to the status quo of being comfortable and physically affectionate with each other. Which you can interpret them as not seeing each other romantically, in deep denial, or they’re just so comfortable with each other that they don’t need to define their relationship, they just are.

Tbh the widespread DM fanon did mislead me a bunch, I thought we would get obvious F/M shipping or even confirmation after the bath scene but nope. I thought L+M would kinda stay the way they were pre Ep 11 and have a fun back and forth bit noooo they had to go and save each other and learn about each other’s deepest desires. I was shocked that they weren’t being discussed on such a widespread level considering how much screentime and importance they both get. Saw someone say “the romance between F/M is the catalyst and main plot driver” and I want to bang my head against the wall. DM has ship crumbs for a ton of ships but nothing has ever been confirmed canon and I’m happier because of it and it’s fun to explore.

I would say L+M needs better PR but honestly just read the manga, it does all the PR lmao. I can forgive anime onlies but if you read the manga you surely cannot ignore the elephant in the room.