#and therefor the ii crew deserved death

[silversupremacy]

I feel like II neg is equivalent to SU critical tbh

[bi-mako]

the argo ii crew rated by how annoyed i would be with them

i’m putting percy and leo in the same category because be honest if you were about to die, you would 100% get annoyed by their sarcastic comments. even if they ended up saving the day, i would still tell them to shut up. (8/10)

buford the table. i don’t know why but this table bugs me so much like why is he even there? what’s the purpose? why is there so much attention on him? why does he have more development than the tlh trio? i’m glad he burns to death in BoO. he deserved it. (10/10)

jason grace also would annoy me due to his passing out all the time. however, he is slightly less annoying than leo and percy because he wouldn’t make stupid jokes while i’m dying and i appreciate that. also, if he didn’t have a head injury all the time, he would be pretty cool. (7/10)

piper annoys me because apparently she only learns sword fighting in the middle of HoH even though it’s already a regular class at camp half blood??? if i found out i was going on a huge quest across the world with a bunch of monsters, i would definitely learn how to defend myself other than talking my way out of it. on the other hand, she could just charmspeak me out of being annoyed with her so i wouldn’t really mind. (4/10)

festus the dragon would be useful but i would not understand what he is saying and therefore be very annoyed with him. (6/10)

annabeth wouldn’t really annoy me because she’s a pretty relatable character to me. the only thing i could really get mad at her about is how she would always think she’s right even when she’s definitely wrong. (3/10)

in literally every description of hazel and frank, they are genuinely the nicest people on earth. i would love them so much. (1/10)

[eng-hypnosismic]

DEATH RESPECT (JPN/ENG/ROMAJI)

「三人纏めてあんたの病院にぶち込んでやるよ」

“Let me send you three flying into your hospital” 「笑わすな。君如きでは私に届かない」 “Don’t make me laugh. I am out of league for somebody like you.” [Chorus]:

最終決戦！ Saishuu kessen Ultimate final battle!

お前はベストフレンズじゃない Omaewa BEST FRIEND janai You aren’t my best friends

Know your enemy

置き去りのリスペクト Okizari no RESPECT Abandoned respect

てっぺんから見下ろせ Teppen kara miorose Looking down from the very top

さぁ 堂々とこきおろせ Saa doudou to kokiorose Come now, dis like a boss

ラストバトル LAST BATTLE Last battle

ヒプノシス 痺れさすマイク HYPNOSIS  Shibiresasu MIC Hypnosis paralysing mic 

Mad Trigger Crew in the place to be ラストバトル  LAST BATTLE Last battle

ヒプノシス 痺れさすマイク HYPNOSIS  Shibiresasu MIC Hypnosis paralysing mic 

麻天狼 in the place to be Matenrou in the place to be

Juto:

職質以来のひさしぶりかな Shokushitsu irai no hisashiburi kana It’s been a while since our last questioning 

透けて見えるぞ そのチキンの鳥肌 Sukete mieruzo sono CHICKEN no torihada I can see it all, those goosebumps of a chicken 

突然キレるタイプは危険 Totsuzen kireru TYPE wa kiken The type to rage suddenly is a hazard

対策本部(こっち)の基本は理詰め Kocchi no kihon wa ridzume For us *the crime control department* we are the type to reason 

Hey! ネゴシエーション Hey! Negotiation

投降しなさい Toukoushinasai Surrender

瞳孔が開いたラ���プは所詮マスターベージョン Doukou ga hiraita RAP wa shosen MASTURBATION With those dilated pupils your rap is but masturbation

威圧は通じません Iatsu wa tsujimasen Intimidation doesn’t work here

私にはつむじ風 軽くふるいにかける Watashi niwa tsumujikaze karuku furui ni kakeru To me it’s just a whirlwind lightly brushing across

Doppo:

ああそうかい アンタらしいな Aa, soukai atarashiina Yea right, it’s so you

後悔なんて気持ちはないんだろうな その脳内 Koukai nante kimochi wa naindarou sono nounai There’s no such thing as regret in that head of yours, is it?

権力の傘の中のバランサー？ Kenryoku no kasa no naka no BALANCER? The balancer in the midst of power?

玉乗りピエロにゃ解らんさ Tamanori piero nya wakaransa A clown on a ball won’t understand 

うまくやって利用し利用され Umaku yatte riyoushi riyousare [You’re] Totally fine with using others and being used

俺には確かにその器量はねぇ (アーイ) Ore niwa tashikani sono kiryou wa nee (aai) I honestly don’t have that big of a heart to do that (aiight)

わかるかい？ Wakarukai? Get it?

褒めてんじゃねぇんだ Hometen janenda It’s not a compliment

汚職野郎をおちょくってんだ こんにゃろー Oshoku yarou wo ochokuttenda konyarou I’m just messing with your corrupted ass, fucker Riou:

無理してシャンパン    Murishite CHAMPAGNE You’re trying too hard, Champagne

ジャンクな頭 JUNK na atama Head full of junk

規律もなく流されてくカルマ Kiritsu mo naku nagasareteku KARUMA Without discipline, karma will flow out of you その止められないダウントレンドに Sono tomerarenai DOWNTREND ni In that unstoppable downtrend ヨコハマ圧倒の確かな感触 Yokohama attou no tashikana kanshoku I sense Yokohama will absolutely conquer

CrazyMの前に敵前逃亡するか CRAZY M no mae ni tekizen toubou suruka Run away from Crazy M or

ヤワな男に叩き込むリリック Yawana otoko ni tatakikomu ririkku Have lyrics drilled into you soft boy

小官はいつでも一つの人格 Shoukan wa itsudemo hitotsu no jinkaku I’ve always had only one single personality

貴様も保て品格 Kisama mo tamote hinkaku Spare me your grace Hifumi:

わっわーくさいね 男臭いね Waa waa kusai ne otoko kusai ne Wa, it smells, smells like men (1)

見た目の通りギャップなど無いね Mitame no doori GAP nado nai ne You’re just like what you appear to be, without surprise  

そうそうあなたはそれで良い Sou sou anata wa sore de ii Yea yea, be that way 

だが少し現実をしかと見てみ Daga sukoshi genjitsu wo shikato mitemi But just for a bit, look at reality

ビシッとスーツ着りゃクール Bishitto suutsu kirya COOL Wear a smart suit and be cool

Welcome 19からオバサマまで夢中にさせる新宿 WELCOME jyuukyuu kara obasama made muchuunisaseru Shinjuku Welcome to Shinjuku, enthralling(2) the nineteens to aunties

スキルは一流 Skill wa ichiryuu whose skills are top tier

勝手に言ってろお前の言い分 Katte ni ittero omae no iibun you think you could win, but that’s just you

[Chorus]* Samatoki:

Mr.ハーコー ヨコハマ BAD BOY Mr. HARDCORE Yokohama BAD BOY Mr. Hardcore Yokohama BAD BOY

貴様にロックオンしてるぜ  寂雷 Kisama ni LOCK ON shiteruze Jakurai I’ve locked on to you Jakurai

 俺のサグライフ要はダークサイド Ore no THUG LIFE you wa DARKSIDE My thug life is all about the darkside

 喰うか喰われるか そう甘くない Kuu ka Kuwareruka sou amakunai To eat or to be eaten, it’s not rainbows and butterflies (3)

貴様は洗脳 俺様は行動 Kisama wa sennou Oresama wa koudou You play mind games, I’m all about action

 特に暴いてやる Secret code Tokuni abaiteru SECRET CODE Especially in exposing your secret code

 その呪文を封印 So no jyumon wo fuin Sealing that mantra

 牙のない狼に皆ブーイング Kiba no nai ookami ni minna BOOING Everyone boo at the fangless wolves

 Jakurai:

そうさ君はそんな男 Sousa kimi wa sonna otoko Right, you’re that type of guy

 だがすでに張り巡らされたクモの糸 Daga sude ni harimegurasareta kumo no ito But I’ve already lay out the spider webs

操る やり甲斐がある単細胞 Ayatsuru yarigai ga aru tansaibou Single-minded people (4) deserves to be controlled

 その深い井戸の闇まですくおう Sono fukai ido no yami made sukuro I’ll save (5) even the darkness in a deep well

 人を束ねさらに動いてご苦労 Hito wo tabane sarani ugoite gokuro Good job leading people while you’re also working

 私は石になり正解へ導こう Watashi wa ishi ni nari sekai e michibikou I'll be their anchor (6), leading them to the right answer

 リーダーの哲学で展開するストーリー LEADER no testugaku de tenkaisuru STORY With the philosophy of a leader, bring on the story

 麻天狼が手にするグローリー Matenrou ga tenisuru GLORY In the hands of Matenrou is glory

Samatoki:

哲学なら負けてねえぞ Tetsugaku nara maketeneezo If we’re talking about philosophy, I won’t lose

 偽善にゃ辟易さ Gizen nya hekiekisa I’m getting tired of hypocrites

 Riou:

我が軍のトリオが撃破 Waga gun no TRIO ga gekiha Our army’s trio will defeat you

Juto:

裏をめくりゃ胡散臭い Ura wo mekurya usankusai Look inside yourself, you’re shady

 お前らをルーペで拡大 Omaera wo ruupe de kakudai Zoom into yourself with a magnifier

Jakurai:

君等の闇とは質が違う Kimira no yama towa shitsu ga chigau Your darkness is light compared to ours

いや次元の違う理性を保つ Iya jigen ga chigau risei wo tamotsu But we maintain sanity on a level different from yours

Hifumi & Doppo:

両サイドに破天荒な暴れん坊 Ryou SIDE ni hatenkou na abarenbou On each side he got a crazy son of a gun (7)

 天まで伸びる俺らが麻天狼 Ten made nobiru orera ga matenrou Stretching into the sky, we are Matenrou (8)

 [Chorus]*

 MTC:

MAD TRIGGER CREWが勝ち上がる MAD TRIGGER CREW ga kachiagaru Mad Trigger Crew will keep advancing through victory

 ボコボコ麻天狼にクリティカル Bokoboko matenrou ni CRITICAL Critical hit to Matenrou one right after the other

そう場違いさこの場を去りな Sou bachigaisa kono ba wo sari na This place is not for you, begone  

 Sama:

「くたばれ」 “kutabare” “Die”

 Juto: 「しょっぴくぞ!」 “Shyoppikuzo!” “You’re under arrest!” 

Riou: 「眠っ��け」 “Nemuttoke” “Go home and sleep”

  MTR:

そう��れば後悔する 叩きのめす崩壊 Sou kureba koukaisuru tatakinomesu houkai If you do that you’ll regret, get the shit beaten out of you 

無鉄砲になってこの大海原を揺蕩(たゆた)え Muteppou ni natte kono oounabara wo tayuta e Mindlessly loitering in this vast ocean

  Hifumi: 「沈んどけ」 “Shizun doke” “Sink”

Jakurai: 「これで最後だ」 “Kore de saigo da” “This is the final”

  Doppo: 「終了ぉお」 “Shyuuryooooo” “Eeeeeeeeend”

[Chorus] [Chorus]* : the first line is slightly different from [Chorus], just “決戦/kessen” instead of “最終決戦”. So instead of “ultimate final battle”, it’s “final battle.”

TL Notes:

The og text is "男臭い", which also means "manly" or "masculine", therefore it could also be translated as "You're so manly...I can smell it." So instead of attacking Riou directly it could be bit more petty.

Here I used “enthralling” for simplicity; the og text is “夢中にさせる”, which literally means something like “make you feel as if you’re in dreams”. So this could translate to something like “Shinjuku is the dream/fantasy of 19-year-olds to aunties.” 

The og text is “そう甘くない”, meaning “it’s not easy/innocent/simple”, and to capture all that I used an idiom instead of a more literal translation. 

“単細胞/tansaibou” means a single-minded or simple-minded person, but literally it means “single cell”. It’s like how the person has only one brain cell, or that he’s a unicellular organism.  

Here on the lyrics sheet from the CD, it says “すくおう(sukuou)” which could be “救おう” or “巣食おう”. The two words in this line could mean either Jakurai would “save” or “nest/take root in” the darkness of a deep well. Depending on your impression of Jakurai... 

On the lyrics sheet it says “石”, which reads “ishi” and is the same pronunciation as “医師”, doctor. 

They’re referring to themselves; as in they’re the rogues standing by the sides of Jakurai. 

In case you don’t know already, Matenrou is also the pronunciation for “skyscraper” in Japanese, so it’s a wordplay that can also mean “we’re the skyscrapers that scrapes the sky.”

[gdwessel]

World Tag League 2021 & Best Of The Super Juniors 28 Night 21 - 12/11/2021: Finalists Determined; STARDOM Match Added To WK16 Night 2; NJPW Wrestlers At West Coast Pro, On Impact; Thoughts On Ring Of Honor’s Last Show (For Now?)

The final day of the group stage of Best Of The Super Juniors 28 took place earlier today, and you can see it now on NJPWWorld. With this, the Finalists for Ryogoku on Wednesday are set for this particular tournament.

- 12/11/2021, Hyogo Aqulier Himeji

Yuto Nakashima TLD Ryohei Oiwa (10:00)

Best Of The Super Juniors 28: DOUKI [SZKG] d. Master Wato (Suplex de la Luna, 11:50)

Best Of The Super Juniors 28: BUSHI [Los Ingobernables] d. Yoshinobu Kanemaru [SZKG] (MX, 9:10)

Best Of The Super Juniors 28: Ryusuke Taguchi d. Taiji Ishimori [Bullet Club] (Dodon, 12:45)

Best Of The Super Juniors 28: YOH [CHAOS] d. SHO [Bullet Club] (Direct Drive, 15:31)

Best Of The Super Juniors 28: El Phantasmo [Bullet Club] d. El Desperado [SZKG] (Sudden Death, 21:11)

Best Of The Super Juniors 28: Hiromu Takahashi [Los Ingobernables] d. Robbie Eagles [CHAOS] (Timebomb II, 27:07)

Hiromu leaves it late, but makes it to his third consecutive BOSJ28 Final (2018 and 2020 were the others, which he won; he was not in 2019′s as he was still out with his heinous neck injury. His very first BOSJ was in 2017, which he did not go to the Final, but he was also IWGP Juniorheavyweight Champion at the time, so small consolation I guess.). YOH on the other hand defeats his rival SHO whilst on a 7-match run after losing his first 4, whilst Despy falls to ELP. Therefore, the Final on Wednesday is Hiromu v. YOH. Hiromu and YOH have met each other three times in singles competition, twice in NJPW (the first way back on 12/9/2012, when both were Young Lions; the other on Night 1 of BOSJ28) and once during WhatCulture’s Pro Wrestling World Cup in the UK on 7/7/2017. Hiromu won all three of those. YOH winning BOSJ28 would be an interesting way to get him some needed heat, but also, Despy v. Hiromu could help draw one of the nights of the Tokyo Dome. Either way, it’s a good problem to have. (Also, both Hiromu and YOH got their wins back from Wrestle Grand Slam in MetLife Dome, in a nice bit of continuity.)

SHO falls after dominating the first 6 rounds, then losing all of the last 5. Always a curse to be undefeated in the early stages of any NJPW tournament. Master Wato is done as a gimmick, sadly. Kawato deserves better. DOUKI gets his highest-ever points total in BOSJ, but still finishes dead last. Alas.

Final BOSJ28 standings:

Hiromu - 15pts (7W 1D 3L) - ***ADVANCES TO FINAL*** YOH - 14pts (7W 0D 4L) - ***ADVANCES TO FINAL*** Despy - 13pts (6W 1D 4L) Ishimori - 12pts (6W 0D 5L) Eagles - 12pts (6W 0D 5L) ELP - 12pts (6W 0D 5L) SHO - 12pts (6W 0D 5L) BUSHI - 10pts (5W 0D 6L) Taguchi - 10pts (5W 0D 6L) Kanemaru - 8pts (4W 0D 7L) Wato - 8pts (4W 0D 7L) DOUKI - 6pts (3W 0D 8L)

NJPW has announced that once again, Bushiroad’s other pro wrestling entity, World Wonder Ring STARDOM, will feature at least one exhibition match at Night 2 of Wrestle Kingdom 16, on 1/5/2022 at the Tokyo Dome. This will be the third year running STARDOM has had a dark match at the Dome for Wrestle Kingdom. Whether or not this one(s) get aired on NJPWWorld is another story. The matches at WK14 and WK15 were not; the ones at Wrestle Grand Slam in MetLife Dome were. We’ll see! The match participants have not yet been announced.

Juice Robinson & David Finlay Jr. returned to action on Impact Wrestling this week, with a win over the team of VSK & “The Outlandish” Zicky Dice, which may be the first and only time I ever get to write about Zicky Dice on this blog.

Meanwhile, last night at the State Room in San Francisco, several NJoA wrestlers took part in West Coast Pro’s Iceland show. Rocky Romero beat Titus Alexander in the second match on the show, whilst in the next one, Brody King & Karl Fredericks beat Team Filthy’s West Coast Wrecking Crew, Jorel Nelson & Royce Isaacs. Recent NJoA guest Daniel Garcia fell to Vinnie Massaro, whilst former NJPW wrestlers ACH and Alex Shelley both had matches on the show as well. You can watch it now on IWTV.

Later tonight is Ring Of Honor’s Final Battle 2021 PPV, from Baltimore, MD. Ostensibly, this is the last ROH event for all intents and purposes, before their “hiatus” which is supposed to go as long as April so they can run Supercard Of Honor at Wrestlemania Weekend in Dallas. I am somewhat dating myself here, but this is not the first time I’ve seen a working partner with NJPW cease operations. Allegedly, WCW was supposed to come back with a relaunch under new ownership (Vince McMahon), but that never happened. I am not so sure Sinclair Broadcast Group will be relaunching Ring Of Honor as such either.

This is already going very ROH for them -- Bandido, their last World Champion as things stand, has had to pull out of the card due to a positive COVID-19 test. (This also takes him out of tomorrow night’s Warrior Wrestling 17 show in Tinley Park, IL, a show headlined by Will Ospreay.) So either he is stripped of the title and we get a special match to crown the Final champion, or Bandido is the champion at the end, without a challenge. It stinks but this is the reality of wrestling now in what’s about to be Year 3 of COVID-19.

I’ve already written at length my thoughts on this, so I won’t rehash them here. But it is sad that a company that employs wrestlers and staff are shuttering, even if we did all see this coming from a mile away. Like WCW, you can see numerous points on the timeline where a different decision could have seen them prosper. The Elite leaving to form AEW didn’t help, sure. But there were numerous others, and despite G1 Supercard in 2019 being their “Fingerpoke of Doom” moment, like said Fingerpoke, it was the last straw of years of bad calls.

Now ROH wrestlers are seeking contracts elsewhere. Sadly, it’s the worst ones that are getting the jobs; Jay Lethal, someone named by numerous women as a sexual harasser, is now an AEW wrestler. The Briscoes (Jamin & Mark Pugh) have threatened murder over same-sex marriage and tweeted in support of White Nationalists at Charlottesville; they are the current GCW World Tag Team champions. Ian Riccaboni has made on-air claims that Jay Briscoe is a “changed man” but wrestling Effy does not a pro-LGBTQ person make. Hoping the likes of Bandido, Dragon Lee, and others find good jobs as well.

Either way, it’s a shame it has come to this, but hopefully lessons will be learned, and ROH can indeed come back stronger. Best of luck to them tonight, and we’ll see what the future holds. You can watch this show tonight either through ROH’s Honor Club or FITE TV.

The last group stage matches of World Tag League 2021 take place tomorrow, on a show that will be streamed live on NJPWWorld.

- 12/12/2021, Hiroshima Green Arena

Ryohei Oiwa v. Kosei Fujita

World Tag League 2021: Hiroyoshi Tenzan & Satoshi Kojima v. Minoru Suzuki [SZKG] & TAKA Michinoku [JTO]

World Tag League 2021: Togi Makabe & Tomoaki Honma v. Yuji Nagata & Tiger Mask IV

World Tag League 2021: Hiroshi Tanahashi & Toru Yano [CHAOS] v. Bad Luck Fale & Chase Owens [Bullet Club]

World Tag League 2021: Great O-Khan & Aaron Henare [United Empire]  v. Tama Tonga & Tanga Loa [Bullet Club]

World Tag League 2021: Tetsuya Naito & SANADA [Los Ingobernables] v. EVIL & Yujiro Takahashi [Bullet Club]

World Tag League 2021: Hirooki Goto & YOSHI-HASHI [CHAOS] v. Taichi & Zack Sabre Jr. [SZKG]

[shakingthestars]

Final predictions about TLJ before the world premiere

Today is the world premiere of TLJ. Before we possibly get major leaks, here is the final version of my bingo. After that, I will keep myself away from spoiler until I enter the theaters on December 13th, 9.45 a.m C.C.T Paris.

Very hard to select the information so there is nothing about ii.e. Ahch-To or Canto Bight. Plus the bingo is very oriented to Kylo, Rey, Luke and Snoke. Not that the other characters and arc ain’t important but IMO this is where the heart of the story is.  A lot of these predictions are based on the discussions + metas that I wrote on the reyloskyforum.net.

I) First line: Kylo and Rey’s relationship

Regarding Kylo and Rey, I believe that romantic drama is indeed about them but romance is not central to their relationship and the plot in  TLJ. The most important dimension IMO is that they share this unprecedented connection through the Force that throw them at the center of the battle between the Dark Side and the Light Side. Therefore, they are key to achieve together the balance of the Force. Their connection reminds me a lot of E.T. and Elliott’s connection since I saw a lot of callbacks to E.T. the Extraterrestrial in TFA

II) Second line: Rey’s background

Regarding Rey, I am definitely convinced that she is not a Skywalker:

Rey: I know all about waiting..for my family

Maz: Dear child. I see your eyes: you already know the truth. Whomever you’re waiting for on Jakku, they’re never coming back

For me, Maz’s line about “people she is waiting for are never coming back” always made it pretty clear that Rey’s family would never ever show up. Rey is a young person who desperately craves for belonging and as Maz said: “the belonging you seek is not behind you, it is ahead”. In other words, she may not find her birth family, the one of the past, but she can still find a family, the one of the future.

I don’t need Rey to be the daughter or granddaughter of a character we already know. IMO, the importance of her origins is in something ancient, maybe connected with the origins of the Force given Colin Trevorrow’s statements before he was fired :

I’ve seen all of the theories… What I do know is that we’re going to make sure that that answer is deeply and profoundly satisfying, because Rey is a character that is important in this universe, not just in the context of The Force Awakens but in the entire galaxy, and she deserves it. So we’ll make sure that that answer is something that feels like it was—it’s something that happened a long time ago [in a galaxy] far, far away, we’re just telling you what happened.”

We know from Daisy Ridley that there is no immaculate conception with Rey contrary to Anakin. So I came to speculate that Disney/LF might have got some inspiration from Disney movie Atlantis - the Lost Empire and even more from the Castle in the Sky (that Disney apparently used as inspiration for Atlantis - the Lost Empire). In The Castle in the Sky, (Lu)Sheeta is the long lost descendant of the royal family of Laputa, a floating castle in the Sky whose powerful destructive energy comes from a crystal. No time to make a long meta but I saw similarities with both The Castle in the Sky and Atlantis - the Lost Empire in Rogue One but also in TFA. And my feeling is that kyber crystals are going to be important in that story. As for Rey Kenobi, I am convinced that Rey parallels Obi-Wan more than any other character. Still, I remain cautious because parallels ain’t an ultimate proof of lineage, i.e. Finn parallels Luke as much as Rey parallels Obi-Wan in TFA, which doesn’t make Finn Luke’s son. So Rey Kenobi IMO ain’t the most important thing in Rey’s background. For me, it would be the cherry on the cake.

III) Third line: Kylo Ren’s background

Regarding Kylo Ren’s background, he is IMO the only and last Skywalker child. My feeling is that his abusive connection with Snoke is the key element of his background much more than having neglecting parents. I tend to see Snoke as the Star Wars version of any manipulative Disney villain that target a young character either from the cradle in order to achieve a specific plan. And a lot of Disney villain target and manipulates a character either to get an artifact (Ursula/Ariel ==> get the trident) or to use that character as a mean to maintain themselves alive and well (Gothel/Rapunzel ==> uses her power to maintain herself young) or to crush that character (Maleficent/Aurora ==> kill her). Since the ST is produced by Disney/LF, there are callbacks to Disney movies. And a lot of people may be surprised but the trio villain/Prince(ss) in distress/Prince(ss) to the rescue is not what it seems to be. Once one understands that Snoke got  the role of the Disney villain, Ben the role of the Disney Prince(ss) to rescue and Rey the role of the Disney Prince(ss) on the rescue, the perception of Kylo Ren as a villain completely changes. At least, this is how mine evolved. And Disney movies are much about going beyond the first impression of a character especially when a character is called a monster at the beginning of his journey (i.e. Quasimodo, Beast;, Elsa). And Disney are also about monster misjudged by the others who find a way to regain their humanity in the world’s eyes:

Georges Lucas: I like the idea that the person you thought was the villain is really the victim, and that the story is really about the villain trying to regain his humanity,

So my feeling that both Kylo Ren’s background and fate in TLJ will be tragic because he is a character that got much hate for his actions and especially for the patricide, which is perfectly normal. But my feeling is that he is not meant to remain a villain until the end of the ST to die unredeemed or get a redemption by the very end like Vader. I think that the tragic thing about Kylo Ren is that he developed a strong connection with Snoke from the early age and that Snoke was the only one to help him when his raw power got uncontrollable. My feeling is that his commitment is actually more to Snoke than the FO. I think that Snoke represents for him what a dark version of E.T. could have become for Elliott: a possessive,exclusive and toxic friend. And it is also my feeling that Snoke had something very precise in mind by targeting that child in particular and  being interested in his power. Their relationship is not a copy of Palpatine and Anakin’s. There is something much more exclusive. We know from Serkis that Snoke is much darker than Palpatine but also very vulnerable. So my feeling is that Snoke and Kylo’s connection may have become so strong through the years that Snoke actually needs Kylo Ren to survive. In any case, I don’t think that Kylo Ren can cut his ties that easily to Snoke. . So I think that Kylo’s allegiance will slowly shift: his allegiance to Rey will become stronger than his allegiance to Snoke in the throne room. My feeling is that he will try to cut it but I don’t think that Snoke will let him go that easily.  The TFA novelization makes it pretty clear that Snoke sees himself as an architect polishing amasterpiece. This is something he has been dedicating himself for decades so I hardly imagine Snoke throwing his masterpiece away like that or letting his masterpiece tueining his back on him without reacting

IV) Fourth line: Final arc  of the movie

Regarding the final arc of the movie, the analysis of the timeline gives me the feeling that Supremacy is not the real climax of the movie. From the analysis of Finn and TRey’s costume + physical state, I put my money that the battle on Crait is the final battle of the movie. Therefore, Supremacy can’t be the climax. Plus I fins it strange how the SW crew keep spoiling what happens on Supremacy (Finn vs. Phasma and Rey vs. Snoke) and keeps showing Crait as a random battle although Rian stated that Crait would play a key role in the movie. So IMO, Crait is where all characters will converge for the final arc. My feeling is that Luke will show up unexpedtedly on Crait after being out of screen for a good while since the Ahch-To arc. I also believe thay Snoke will show up there : I just can’t believe that Snoke would make an appearance in the movie just to get defeated pathetically on his own ship and then letting the FO letting the FO battling on Crait. Serkis confirmed that the  guy has a huge agenda, is very powerful and hides his true nature. He is someone very determined and full of resent: IMO, there is no way he abandons the fight to go hiding like a coward. And TLJ is the second movie of the trilogy,  which means that it should represent the lowest point. If Snoke has a huge agenda, I guess he will succeed in achieving it and the FO shall ultimately win over the Resistance on Crait.

V) Fifth line: Shocking outcome

Regarding, Rian did confirm that there would be a shocking outcome coming naturally and romantic drama. IMO, TLJ shall end with a major stake and conflict rising from a shocking outcome.

I exclude any scenario involving that Luke, Kylo and Rey all end up by the same side

Scenario 1: Light Luke/Kylo/Rey

==> Game over for Snoke and the FO

Scenario 2: Dark! Luke/Kylo/Rey

== Game over for Leia and the Resistance

I exclude any scenario involving Luke becoming the center of the story because Mark confirmed that the ST is not about Luke’s story any more.

Scenario 3 : Dark! Luke vs. Light Kylo and Rey

==> would involve to bring Luke back to the Light. Who should do it? Leia is the most obvious candidate but this is not the story of the Skywalker twins. Kylo is his nephew but his relationship with Luke isn’t the centerpiece of the ST. As for Rey, why would she go after Luke to bring him back to the Light if he is neither her belonging behind (father) nor her belonging ahead (lover)

Scenario 4 : Light! Luke vs. Dark Kylo and Rey

==> This scenario would make Luke the hero of the ST once again

I exclude the following deaths

Scenario 5: Luke’s death

==> We already lose a belove OT character as shocking outcome in TFA. Plus, what’s the point to have Luke back to the Resistance by the end of the movie to help the Resistance if one makes him die.

Scenario 6: Rey’s death/near-death state

==> They’re not gonna make the heroine die or end up in near-death state. That brings nothing to the story.

I also rule out these scenarios although IMO there is a possibility that it happens:

Scenario 7: Dark! Rey vs. Light! Luke/Kylo

==> Although there are hints at Rey’s darkness, I don’t think she will fall to the DS contrary to so many people seem to think. The analysis of the timeline tells me that she’ll escape Supremacy with bruise but safe and sound. Plus, there were photos on Crait showing Rey by Finn and Poe’s side as she already has her bruise, bruise that she got on Supremacy. If Rey doesn’t turn to the DS on Supremacy as she is fighting against PG and uses he raw power, I don’t think she is supposed to turn to the DS later

Scenario 8: Kylo and Rey flee together, away from the FO and the Resistance

==> Rian said that there is romantic drama, which by definition means that there will be obstacle to a romance happening. If Kylo and Rey flee together, isn’t it the confirmation of a romance? And where would be the romantic drama? Kylo and Rey are at the center of the balance and together represent a big threat to Snoke and his agenda. If I would be Snoke, I would make anything to get them separated

Scenario 9: Kylo’s tragic fate is IMO the shocking outcome of TLJ

I personally believe that Snoke will play a major role in this because if I would be Snoke, I would do anything to end my physical vulnerability either by acquiring a powerful artifact or by using the Force energy of someone else. I even believe in the possiblity that Snoke isn’t meant to remain old, vulnerable  and creepy-looking. I would put my money that one of his goal is to become young again, all powerful and handsome. In other words, the same kind of tyran that young Vader intended to be had he not ended up like a piece of burnt fleh. And who better than Vader’s spawn himself coud help him achieving that goal? One of my headcanon is either Snoke uses Ben to acquire something  valuable and crushes him or he uses his power energy to become all powerful again. By tragic fate, I mean something close to near-death state, possession, dark prophecy, etc...Something that make Kylo Ren a villain the audience can truly relate to.

Why do I believe in that kind of scenario  rather than Dark! Luke or Dark! Rey?

Because Kylo Ren is at the center of major stakes within the contexte the ST and even within the context of the entire franchise:

1) The unending  tragedy of a family...

Kylo Ren is the only and last descendant of the main family of the entire franchise, a family plagued with unending dramas:

#Who is the next?#

It was confirmed that Leia was supposed to have a bigger role in Episode 9 so she was supposed to survive Episode 8. I already pointed out that Luke’s tragic death would bring much. The audience already got a shock with a belove OT character’s death in Episode 7. And even if Luke’s death would be a big shock to the audience, it doesn’t raise any major stake regarding the fate of the Skywalker family. Losing the only last Skywalker child on the other end would give a dramatic turn. The tragic fate of a young male/female is always more tragic than a older character because...

2) A mother wanting her only child back...

Can you imagine how tragic it would be for Leia who begun her life having lost her mother and possibly end her life having lost her son. Leia all alone bears the tragedies of the Skywalker family in regard to all the people she lose during her whole life. And friendly reminder that this broken woman is clinging to the hope to have her son back. And there is even something more this woman obviously wishes :

Source: from Poe Dameron comic (canon)

“Never imagined this,” Han had murmured, sitting up in their bed late at night. Ben’s tiny head resting in the crook of his father’s arm. “Having a kid. Even wanting a kid. But now he’s here and-”

“And you’re a dad.” Leia had learned closer, unable to resist the chance to tease her husband. “Just think hotshot. Someday you might even be a granddad.”

Han’s chuckle had warmed her. “Speak for yourself, sweetheart. Me, I ain’t ever getting old.”

Source: Bloodline

I don’t believe in Rey Solo : it was debunked several times. And Poe ain’t Leia’s son. So there is only one person in that galaxy far way who could make Leia a grandmother one day. And here is why Kylo Ren is at the center of the drama in regard to the Skywalker family. Make the only Skywalker child die or give him a tragic fate by the end of the ST: bye bye Skywalker family! Although I am no Reylo for reproductive imperative because Rey deserves to be seen as something else than a utero, this is something to keep in mind. The Skywalker family has suffered dramas and Kylo Ren is at the center of the drama in the ST. Another interesting thing is that Carrie Fisher’s death didn’t to represent a massive drama to a point that Rian felt the need to edit TLJ. We know that Leia was supposed to have a bigger role in Episode 9, but in that kind of scenario her absence could be easily explained. If I had lose my mother, then my adoptive parents, then my husband, the tragic fate of my only child on top of that would make me lose the will to fight and live.

3) A heroine searching for her belonging...

The ST is the story of Rey and how the story of that young woman fits in this great franchise in which the Skywalker family was always at the center of the plot. Rey is a great character in herself: she doesn’t need to be related to the Skywalker, the Palpatine, the Kenobis to be important. She is not there either just to serve as a tool for a man’s narrative. She is strong, able to handle herself and wise enough to make her own choices. And what  does this young woman ever wanted in her life? To have a family!

J.J.Abrams: There was this powerful idea that what she desperately wanted was belonging, which she will get, simply not the way she expects

In other words, Rey is not someone full of ideals who gets involved in a fight because she believes so strongly in the ideal of the Resistance and that fight will become her whole life.Contrary to Anakin and Luke, she has no roots either to follow the Jedi’s path. Anakin always wanted to become a Jedi and Luke wanted to become a Jedi like his father. The only thing this young woman ever wanted was to belong somewhere but she is persuaded that she can only find a belonging in her birth family and thus has difficulty to accept that they’re never coming back. And she will get a belonging but not the way she expects because the belonging/family she seeks is not behind her/in her past (parents, birth family) but ahead/in her future (lover, future family). You rarely become part of a future family if you don’t find someone who makes you part of that family, in other words a partner. And we know thanks to Maz that someone who is not part of her birth family could still come back.  Given the way Disney/LF hints at this strange connection and relationship between the Rey and Kylo Ren - only descendant of the Skywalkers - it would make sense that Rey finds in the Skywalkers her future family. However, Rian said that there is romantic drama in TLJ, which means obstacles preventing a romance from happening. If Rey learns in TLJ the reasons why her parents never came back, she will have lose her belonging behind forever. And if Ben suffers a tragic fate in TLJ, she will have lose her belonging ahead. There wouldn’t be more romantically dramatic than this. If Rey loses her belonging, then it also means that this young woman loses the chance to have a family. And since Rey and Kylo’s relatinship is the centerpiece of the ST, it makes sense that the major conflict and/or stake raised by the shocking outcome of TLJ would be about them.

4) The  Balance of the Force and the eternal war between the Dark Side and the Light Side...

Since Kylo and Rey are at the center of the ST, they are also at the center of the Balance in the Force in order to end the war between the DS and the LS and two sides of the conflict. Sure, Rey could try to do it alone but Rian Johnson insisted that these two are almost dual protagonists. There is no mistake in promoting them together and mirroring each other. They are equally important for the balance to the Force. And if there is one person who has no interest in having Kylo and Rey together, it is Snoke. These two powerful Force User represent a real threat for his huge  agenda. If Kylo and Rey end up together as allies and/or lovers, there is no romantic drama and I might add that it already means more or less game over for Snoke. Giving Kylo Ren a tragic fate would compromise the possibility of bringing Balance in the Force and an end to the war between the Dark Side and the Light Side. 

5) The heavy debates among the Star Wars fandom...

Kylo Ren is at the center of heavy debates among the SW fandom: redemption/ anti-redemption; Reylo/Anti-Reylos, etc...It is perfectly normal that a lot of people despise Kylo Ren for his actions and especially for the patricide. For some people, there is even hate toward this character to a point that one consider he shall die  and/or suffering a tragic fate by the end of the ST.

If I would be Rian, I would give them  what they want/expect earlier than they think and in the most unexpected way

Kylo haters: : Holly shit, Rian! You didn’t dare...

Reylos: My ship...

GA:

Although Luke turning to the DS or Rey turning to the DS would surely shock the audience, it wouldn’t bring much. Most of the audience already like these characters and would them back in any case. No way that Luke would die unredeemed so he would be back in the end but it would be too reminiscent of Vader’s. As for Rey, she is the heroine so there would be no way that the audience wouldn’t anticipate her redemption. Kylo on the other hand is a very unpredictable character who raise heavy debates within the fandom. Giving him some tragic fate would allow to keep the ultimate outcome of the ST uncertain for everyone.