#and the closest they ever got to confirming johns physical abuse was in 7x03

[sammygender]

at the end of the day it’s just not true that sam ‘explicitly says john never hit them in 1x14’ it’s actually the opposite of true. do you want me to pull up the quotes i love that episode i can pull up the quotes. even aside from the fact that sam’s still identifying with max once he knows he was abused and only stops once it becomes obvious that it continued in adulthood/wasnt a childhood thing that just happened sometimes….. even aside from the fact that dean’s comment at the end of the ep is obviously meant to imply that sam either doesn’t know about something or isn’t considering something….. even if you just take it at the most textual value possible. sam doesn’t say Dad never hit us! he says “a little more tequila, a little less demon-hunting, we would’ve had Max’s childhood”…. very different…… max’s childhood is explicitly Defined by physical violence & sam and dean’s isn’t it’s defined by the hunting and the neglect and for dean the parentification physical violence isn’t the defining part or even the Worst part i would argue of johns abuse……. all sam’s saying is That….. but there is a world of a sliding scale between “max’s childhood” and any other kind of not necessarily frequent but still occurring physical abuse & to act like there isn’t is weird and insane……. and especially to sam those can seem like very different things…… no one wants to believe their parents are awful. sam doesn’t even if he seems like he’s ready to accept it. he’s not really.

he’s Also essentially saying In another world where our dad didn’t have hunting and he drank even more than he already did, he would’ve ended up beating us! . which is also really not a ringing endorsement of john winchester’s parenting wrt physical abuse.

i have like 798477 more thoughts on this but whatever i’m just here to say shut UP about 1x14 in regards to john physical abuse unless you’re using it to mention how it brings that concept, which it returns to multiple times throughout the show, into the narrative…..