#and she doesnt have a proper concept of time being a goddess and all so while wilbur went years without reply

[sircantus]

I would like to think he calls her Death upon meeting her for the first time, bitter and tired and dead at last. And he expects to move on, to be sorted neatly with all the other souls, to do whatever it is that the dead do, except she then just proceeds to. Keep him around. Drag him along on her endless duties like a parent dragging along their toddler when they have to go to the grocery store.

Its funny but also on the more hurt comfort aspect i think he’d just not question it for a while, wanting to linger, wanting to stay. He’d go along with her with the quiet wish of this being enough, but he knows it probably just a matter of interest, keeping something that’s caught your attention before putting it aside once the moments passed. He asks her, one day, what she’s waiting for, why he is still here.

She tells him she’s waiting for him to call her mom.

She has waited his whole life to have him in her realm. She is happy to wait a bit more longer so that they can bond. After all, parenting takes a bit to get the hang of, right? Oh, she wouldnt know. She’s never been a mother before. How wonderful it is, for her love to have chosen a son for them both.

And then wilbur proceeds to burst into tears with kristin going OH WAIT OH NO

Concept of wil being Phil’s kid but only Phil’s.

like, phil is still Kristins angel and he does raise Wilbur to know Kristin as his mother bc thats the closest thing, isnt it? But wilbur is human. He isnt like phil. He was adopted by Phil and he was raised and loved accordingly but he cant talk to kristin like how phil does. He can’t communicate to her, he cant be loved by her, she can only ever be Death to him. They would only ever meet in the passing moments of the day when his soul finally moves on.

Wil still tries to love her, still considers her as a mother, for the way that Phil speaks of her with such adoration, for the way Phil insists that she cares for Wil despite the circumstances. But it’s the same as talking to a god that never answers. Praying and never finding a response, never hearing anything, never having anything other than a shaking trust in his father that he’s telling the truth.

He still calls Her mother, still tries to consider himself as hers, but at the end of the day, he’s not. He knows hes not. He isnt hers. He’s just human. He cannot do anything to change this. He cannot be more. He is just one life and one little soul upon the millions that she bears, and he will be forgotten, after enough time passes.

He just has to accept that.

[antiloreolympus]

10 Anti LO Asks

1. Ah, yes. Hades' dog. Cerberus. Guardian of the Underworld. And over there, we have Hades' other dogs that serve as a comic relief and/or to make Hades look like a dog dad.

Mushroom, Russell, 𝒞ℴ𝓇𝒹ℴ𝓃 ℬ𝓁ℯ𝓊, J.P, Fudge, ᵐᵉˡⁱ, Fudge and ʙ ɪ ɢ ᴊ ᴏ ʜ ɴ.

Rachel literally cannot come up with original names for anything. It's so sad.

2. rachel is so bad at actually aligning the gods to proper colors and symbolism that dionysus will probably be neon orange with purple splotches and she'll claim its some genius "twist" on semele's human skin and zeus's ... whatever he is. also no leaves or grapes because that doesnt fit the ~modern aesthetic~

3. have any of you guys watched OSP? RS "borrowed" most of her ideas from them too, especially in regards to her depiction of Hades, Zeus, and Demeter.

From OP: RS probably got most of her ideas off of tumblr tbh. She was on tumblr for a long time so it wouldn’t be surprising if it rubbed off on her.

4. LMAO that's also it like basically every god including hades was in some way related to different times of fertility. zeus was both biologically and nature via rain, demeter was for mothers, food, and the earth, hera for the period cycle and motherhood, and the list goes on and on. even as that other person said the "maidens" also were fertility, artemis and hecate especially. if anything being a fertility deity is one of the least rare things to be, but why would rachel know that 🙄

5. correct me if im wrong here, but didnt most ancient art of persephone depict her as "queenly" so ... as an adult? like she was supposed to look similar aged to hades and the rest of the olympians, not so young like rachel depicts her. idk where she thought the queen of the dead should be a airheaded teenager, but whatever.

6. what i dont get is virginity as a concept is so misogynistic, yet rachel plays into it straight where no one questions why theres a whole society and scholarship around it, and persephone seems perfectly fine to keep it intact. until she all of sudden only has sexual feelings for hades, tho hades even shames her for seemingly not wanting to have sex (and also calls her a fertility goddess, so is it rare or not?) and i just, idk the whole idea is so dumb?? rachel why would you do this

7. if rachel's fans actually suggested/voted she add in persephone be assaulted i might throw up. why would anyone purposely ask for the lead character to be sexually assaulted because rachel wants her story to be more "serious" when she clearly cant depict it right and is using the actual assault in a disgusting way to push her romance along? if her fans suggested that theyre genuinely unwell. thats not ok.

8. IDK to me I think LO fails is because Rachel desperately is trying to make literal gods #Relatable and I just think that's not how the gods should be depicted? I'm not saying they can't have issues or flaws, but she doesn't even allow them that? They're all just boring archetypes? And because of this "Just Like Us" depiction is makes times it tries to be Fantasy (the AOW, Royal hierarchy, the Pom, Kronos, etc) it just doesn't mesh well at all and makes the world confusing over intriguing.

9. Honestly season one LO is kinda good? Don't get me wrong it DEFINITELY has it's flaws and shitty ideas but overall it was interesting and very cute in some episodes and there were more than 2 central characters. I agree with anon from previous posts that LO would have been so much better without "adult themes". Her take on toxic relationships and personal freedom would be enough in the light rom-com atmosphere and collage life(like it meant to be from the start). Ugh I'm so sad when I think about it, LO is such a shitshow in season 2 

10. Alright I'm seeing a lot of controversy I guess? Over the "sexy plant watering scene" and I'm gonna add my two cents on that as well as some other things of note.

1. The "Persephone waters plants in sexy lingerie" is a weird scene - because of the framing. One anon was wondering what's wrong with watering your plants in your undies - its nothing, theres no issue there. The issue (to me) is the way the narrative frames the scene: Thetis accuses Persephone of murder and of wanting to be romantically involved with Hades (despite knowing of his relationship with Minthe) and the scene shifts to Perse watering minthe the plant in lingerie. The reason it comes off as weird is because A). This is Thetis's recounting of events, so its not accurate and B). It feels as though the Only reason this shot was in the comic at all was because RS wanted another "girlboss" moment with Persephone looking sexy and being nearly naked (once again) and flaunting her power over Minthe via watering her while wearing lingerie as a way of saying "look who has the power here. I'm wandering around the place that could've been yours AND im f*cking your boyfriend/would-be husband"

(It feels like in Thetis version Persephone is some kind of sexy seductress villain but really RS just wanted to sexualize Perse again).

2. The narrative sometimes frames things oddly and that causes a disconnect. Like the scene (not sure which chapter) where Hades takes Persephone shopping and though she doesn't feel comfortable / doesn't want to have sex with him, she still asks him "dont you want me" and (again, to me anyway) it feels as though theres this gross unspoken message there of Persephone saying "dont you want me (even though im damaged goods / have been damaged / been used by somebody else) even though Hades has no knowledge of Persephones SA. It comes off as the only thing shes worried about (despite the SA just happening a week or so ago) is whether or not this new man who she barely knows will still be attracted to her / will want her after finding out shes been r*ped.

3. The more I read LO the more it feels as though every single character is really just an OC of RS's wearing Greek deity skin. Like as though RS wanted to tell a specific story but knew it might not have done well in its own so she slapped on a "Greek Myth / characters names" to boost the comics attention without actually doing any research into the culture. The characters feel as though they have Nothing in common with the actual Greek deities their supposedly based on and considering the few myths that Hades and Persephone Do show up in and in relation to LO's plot, I just dont understand Why their called by the Greek deities names. When was there Ever a myth where Persephone was on trial for murder? When did Hera - thw goddess of marriage and fidelity ever cheat on Zeus (espeically with his brother, Hades?) - (And yes, I know its a "modern retelling" but I feel as though there is a way to do that and incorporate themes / stories from the actual myths without making up nonsensical plot lines) The only reason I can think of for why their Greek deities is popularity purposes.

4. A while back someone came into one of my posts regarding my confusion over LO's trial plotline and they said that RS admitted she did not fully plan out the trial plot and is really just going week by week at this point (and I don't know if thats true or not) however! If it is true, then that feels like a huge oversight on her part as a writer. Most writers I know (myself included) like to have an outline for some plot points, maybe the beginning and end and then you fill in the gaps along the way. And I'm not saying you have plan out every single step to every chapter, but it seems like it would be a good thing to at least have some kind of idea or general direction for what happens during this arc in the story rather than flying by the seat of your pants, yeah? Wouldn't you want to have something a bit more concrete in mind when doing a so-called important story arc ?

5. I know this has been harped on again and again but, why why why would you have Persephone start off as a barely legal teenager whos just going into college vs the much much older business CEO who has rage issues and is into impressionable young women?

6. On another note: why does Persephone act as though being from Sicily is like the equivalent of someone from Georgia or Texas moving to New York as though (despite being a goddess) she acts as though she might be mocked for being some kind of "Greek god country bumpkin"?

7. The strange reinforcement / idea of a person (Perse in this case) Only being allowed to be attracted to her future husband and not being allowed to have any other connections or meaningful relationships, or experience especially considering her first "romantic" relationship started off with her being SA while on the flipside Hades (despite being hated by the underworld denizens) has connections and meaningful relationships outside of Persephone. Persephone has a strained relationship with her mother and her roommate / has little to no friends. Hades had Minthe, Hecate, the underworld, his business And his brothers to rely on. (Persephone doesn't seem to have much of a life outside of Hades while the opposite is not true).

8. I'm genuinely asking here - what do hades and Persephone like about each other? (Aside from each other's bodies). Sexual attraction is a thing but does Hades even know basic things about Persephone? Like her goals in life or ambitions, he'll her favorite food or color? (And because we Know their fated to be together / will get married) - Does he bother to get to know her friends or her mother (in a non antagonist way)?? Does he support her in any other way that has no relation to him and his needs?

9. In the printed novel version theres an extra chapter that (I think) is supposed to be Heras introduction / birthday party and Hades and Minthe show up. Hera has a vision of Hades getting married when he hands her a coat and she seema awfully excited about it - but why would she be? The chapter states that she cant see whos under the veil and considering hes currently dating Minthe wouldn't it be fair to assume hes marrying Minthe in this vision? And with how much Hera despises Minthe why would she be excited for Hades to be married unless she was 100% certain who he was marrying was not her? Also why would she be excited about him getting married if at that point, they were still having an off and on again affair? It just seems to raise more questions honestly.