#and i thiiink this is everything but i might have forgotten

[hiddensteel]

different anon but i’ve never read the books and i was genuinely wondering what tyrion did in the books since i don’t know? (that is, if you’re okay talking about it because i can’t seem to find it anywhere).

no worries dear! i’m okay with talking about it. their relationship is vastly different in the books and i hate how they changed it for the show. it really eliminated sansa’s rightful anger and mistrust of t.yrion and instead made her all friendly and appreciative of him just so he looks like this Great Guy even though he’s not. 

i put it under the read more since it’s kinda long. also just a warning, there will be mentions of attempted assault and this won’t be t.yrion friendly at all. 

so the biggest thing that is different in the books is that t.yrion doesn’t stop sansa from completely undressing on their wedding night and is actually all prepared to r*pe her. he makes her lay in bed and climbs on top of her. he even says that he wants her despite acknowledging that she’s a child. during all this sansa is clearly terrified out of her mind and trying to cover herself, which t.yrion doesn’t let her do: “she started to pull pull up a blanket to cover herself when she heard him say, ‘no’.” (ASOS Chapter 28). 

he also tries to make himself feel better by trying to talk sansa in to being okay with consummating their marriage. he tells her that he can be kind, general, "good to her” (ASOS Chapter 28). he’s not doing this to make sansa more comfortable. if he was he’d be, you know, a little more concerned about her feeling comfortable in general and wouldn’t have made her undress in the first place. also if he really cared about her comfort, he’d stop right there but instead he insists that they have to “do [their] duty” (ASOS Chapter) and climbs onto the bed. like sansa is a.) A CHILD and b.) scared out of her mind and not hiding it. t.yrion DOESN’T CARE. at this point he has every intention of still consummating the marriage regardless of how sansa feels.

now in the end he doesn’t but its not because he’s this Good Guy. he doesn’t because sansa insults his ego by not being happy that she’s married to him. sansa is panicking so much and won’t look at t.yrion and that, her refusal to “accept” him as her husband is why he stops. 

ALSO !!! this is NOT a reason to give t.yrion a gold star !!! you do not get praised for not assaulting a child !!! STOP PRAISING T.YRION FOR NOT ASSAULTING SANSA IN BOTH THE BOOKS AND THE SHOW

also he gets insulted when sansa says that she may never want to sleep with him - “his mouth jerked as if she had slapped him” (ASOS Chapter 28) - despite the fact that his family has done nothing but ABUSE her and MURDER her family. like wow t.yrion so tragic that your child bride doesn’t like you because your family murdered hers and abused her.

the books also give us more insight on how t.yrion really felt about sansa during their marriage and the short version of it is, he was a total jerk. for one he keeps saying that he “wants her” (ASOS Chapter 32) despite the fact that he also keeps referring to sansa as a child. like… that’s Gross. it’s so extremely gross. there’s absolutely no justification for it.

sansa is EXTREMELY closed off to t.yrion to the books. there interactions are extremely stilted ebcause she doesn’t like or trust him so she’s constantly armored in her courtesy and speaking solely through them (see their interaction in the beginning of Chapter 53 and throughout Chapter 59). this is completely understandable. this is how she SURVIVES. she also expresses clear mistrust of t.yrion by worrying that he’s trying to use a “Lannister trap to make [her] speak treason” (ASOS Chapter 59) and constantly wishes he’d “leave [her] be” (ASOS Chapter 59). she rightfully doesn’t trust him. she thinks he’s kinder than most lannisters but still a lannister. so there’s no way she’s going to lower her guard and be friendly as the show depicts her as. you’d think any decent person would understand this and not fault for it, right? yeah well t.yrion sure doesn’t! because none of this is about sansa. what she feels or needs to do to survive doesn’t matter. all that matters is how it makes t.yrion feel!

he’s upset that “when hewas with her, never for an instant could he forget who he was, or what he was” (ASOS Chapter 58) because sansa isn’t being open and loving toward him, which reminds him that he isn’t “desirable” because he’s a dwarf - important to note, this chapter happens after sansa learns about the red wedding and t.yrion is even also upset that “even her tears she hoards to herself” (ASOS Chapter 58) like so sorry that sansa doesn’t want to confide in a member of the family who killed the last of hers. him being frustrated with her courtesies never ends, and he always turns it back to himself. it’s always about how her being closed off makes him feel. news flash t.yrion, not everything is about you!

the worst of this happens in chapter 60. it is in this chapter that we see that t.yrion is actually MAD at sansa for being guarded and cold toward him. that’s right mad. at a thirteen year old because she doesn’t like him. because she isn’t kind as he wants her to be. because she refused to kneel at their wedding to make things easier for him - totally ignoring the fact that sansa was forced to marry him. He thinks, “You [Sansa] might have knelt, damn you. Would it have been so bloodyhard to bend those stiff Stark knees of yours and let me keep a little dignity?” (ASOS Chapter 60). wow, what an awesome guy t.yrion lannister is. he doesn’t care at all how sansa felt having a forced marriage to her enemy sprung on her. oh no, all that matters is his dignity and his feelings. god forbid sansa have any feelings of her own that upset his fragile ego. 

( sansa also doesn’t help t.yrion when he’s being embarrased by joff at the wedding because she. doesn’t. owe. him. any. kindness. ) 

t.yrion also mocks her use of courtesy. in ASOS chapter 58, she says that his “new doublet is very handsome” and he replies “the doublet is handsome, yes”, showing frusteration that sansa doesn’t think he’s handsome. once again t.yrion not everything is about you! yes, sansa isn’t attracted to you or think you’re handsome (fyi she’s allowed to have her preferences!) but that’s not why she hates you!

it’s important to note that throughout all this t.yrion is perfectly aware why sansa is like this. he constantly thinks about how his family murdered her. he just doesn’t care. his feelings are more important….

also after sansa flees king’s landing and t.yrion is accused of murder, he actually believes she killed joff and he’s MAD at her for….. not staying true to her wedding vows. “one flesh, one heart, one soul. his mouth twisted. she wasted no time proving how much those vows meant to her, did she?” (ASOS Chapter 66). like dude. what part of FORCED MARRIAGE do you not get? she didn’t want to marry you. she was forced to say those vows. she was a captive in king’s landing. of course she’s going to flee. but for the millionth time, all t.yrion cares about is how he feels. he cares about nothing else - especially not sansa’s situation or feelings.  

basically, t.yrion in the books is gross, abusive, and a total jerk to sansa. he shows no care for her feelings and blames her for not accepting him. he’s not a good guy or a good husband, and the fact that people try and act like sansa owes him kindness or anything else infuriates me so much. their relationship in the show does such a disservice to sansa’s character solely to build up t.yrion’s. it’s awful. because t.yrion treated her like shit. he ABUSED her. end of story. 

[laurent-ofvere]

Maya!! Ur a star! Im all for an ambigious ending!! But if it could all be solved by Lazar being a noble, i imagine lazar being afforded land and a titel by Laurent for his loyalty, and maybe pallazar and Laurent can band together to fake a noble background for lazar? U know Laurent would LIVE for a romantic and crazy scheme!!! Or maybe lazar could save pallas baby sibling and win pallas family’s favour? Also, just curious, but is there a particular reason you love kastor?

i am ALL for laurent taking part in romantic schemes oh MY GOD. i thiiink i know how i might go about this, i dont wanna spoil it but it will have to do a little bit with his family/siblings past, lazar winning them over and, you know, just a bunch of Feelings all around.im not really sure why i love kastor or how to explain it, given that we dont see much of him and his implications arent good. i guess it could be why some people still love jokaste (not the people who just straight up love her) but more so they love what she could have been? idk, im a really big fan of sibling relationships in basically any form of media. i know a lot of it is just damen’s individual personality but i love how deeply he cares for kastor and wants to see the world in him despite everything, maybe its bc of the close relationship i have with my own brothers (which is also why i love laurent/auguste). even just kastor as an individual, i dont justify any of his actions but i think about how he must have felt, being cast aside for something he had no control over and feeling like the lesser forgotten son and i empathize. he did what he did but i dont particularly think it was always easy for him, i think he loved damen and his father and i also wish things could have gone differently for all of them. and i mean, i know him being kinda dickish would probably be some constant that stays with him in any au bc thats just a facet of his personality but i kinda like that too bc same hahah