#and every single post I see claiming we're just not Doing It Right has 0 solutions for mobile being just broken and the search function

[beardedmrbean]

(about that abortion post) I hate the whole debate about when "life" begins 'cause, let's say I drop a ball at time t=0. At this exact moment, is the ball moving ? No, it hasn't started had time to accelerate so its speed is 0. One second later, at the moment t=1, is it moving ? Yes, because it has been accelerating so its speed is not 0. So then when does the ball start moving ?? You might say t=0, but we've just said it's not moving at this moment. There's no right answer, because the question is nonsense in the first place. Movement is something inherently based on time, and we're asking about movement happening in a single moment.

It's the same thing for life. Every single criterion for living beings is based on some change or movement of some kind : Ability to reproduce, to grow, to use energy, to adapt and respond to its environment. All of that takes time to happen, it can't exist in a single moment. Life itself can't exist in a single moment, it only exists in durations. So why are we making such a debate about when "life" begins, when the initial question is nonsense to begin with ! Life happens incrementally, over time, and there's no single moment where the universe goes "Ah that's it, it's a living being now"

I'm not sure which post you're referencing, I usually do my best to stay out of that particular debate publicly at least.

Gotten into it with some friends in private on here, much better way to do it imho because a person that knows you is far less likely to put words in your mouth.

You're also going philosophical instead of scientific for some of what we've got up here, no biggie to me I can do either if you want.

Just because i don't talk about it doesn't mean I don't have an opinion.

I will be doing my best to state nothing coloured by my own opinion here and keep it short too.

From a philosophical standpoint, you make a fair case, there's stages and all that good stage where it runs into problems still from a philosophical standpoint is if you believe the "potential" for life is good enough or not to call it a life.

Scientifically speaking

even if you want to claim that the zygote is a complete human, you've still got 4 to 6 days for post exposure prophylaxis, after that there's no more wiggle room for people that firmly believe life begins at conception.

Which then all goes back to philosophy and what is life, how is it defined, is the soul real ect.

There's never really going to be a agreed upon consensus with this either sadly, not one that I can see at least. __________________

Gonna ramble, main thought is over now will likely put a last thought in but we'll see

I will say one of the funniest things I've seen is couple people screaming at a girl who opposes abortion, and they were doing the standard thing where they start spouting off lines and laws from the Torah/first 5 books of the Christian Bible and asking about that whole clothes made of 2 types of cloth, no shrimp or bacon, no cheeseburgers, sit outside in a menstrual hut and be ritually cleaned after so you can be around people again (for some reason they never seem to get to the point about what happens if you assault a woman and trigger a miscarriage, weird that)

I hate all those arguments to begin with because as Christians we have a different set of far less stringent rules, but in this case it was double funny.

After they did their whole song and dance about how she was a hypocrite for selectively shilling for some laws and not others she hit them with a wonderful whammy.

"I'm an atheist"

Funny stuff they no clue how to respond to that one. I think that whole thing with the "produced by" whoever and the funny music started, been a long time. ________________________________

Continuing thought to close up.

This is going to be a subject fraught with anger and emotions and everything else under the sun for a long time, wish there was a easy solution where both sides could feel like they managed 80% or more of a victory.

But we'll see eventually I think.