#and elrond doesnt have to lose anyone else
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sesamenom · 1 year ago
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i like to think that sometime when they were younger, after elrond first told them why they couldn't meet uncle elros, they agreed to make the same decision so they could stay together.
also its interesting if out of all the peredhel El-twins (elured & elurin, elrond & elros, elladan & elrohir) one is more mannish and the other is more elvish
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#not art#also they get to meet the rest of their family#and elrond doesnt have to lose anyone else#they sail maybe a hundred years after the appendices and drag maglor with them#(celeborn goes a little later w thranduil)#so he can stay w what remains of his family#based on their names i headcanon elladan as the more Mannish of the two#and elrohir as the most Noldorin of elrond's kids#and independently they probably would have made different decisions#but after arwen makes her choice they both choose immortality so they can go w elrond.#if they hadnt agreed beforehand elladan would have chosen men and elrohir would have chosen elves#but elladan agreed to choose elves for the same reason earendil did#bc they know after death/sailing they can reunite in valinor#but the mannish afterlife is unknown#elureds name is based on a beorian root according to elfdict so i guess he might be the more mannish one?#and also since his name is heir (elurin is remembrance) maybe hes older#which would have been interesting - what would happen in the sindarin high king chose mortality#elurin would then be the more elvish one#elrond/elros' names seem to support the peredhel name theory (lol)#elrond is elf cave / star dome#depending on the origin version#elros is elf spray / star foam#both of which clearly allude to the numenorean mariners / earendil#they dont have teleri ancestry i think so its probably not in reference to the teleri sailing to valinor (which would prob be an elf thing)#but it could be read as a rejection/sailing away from valinor like the noldorin ancestors#or just earendil identifying w men#meanwhile for elrond cave can refer to menegroth/beleriand#esp since that origin version has m&m finding elrond in a cave and elros outside in the river#hence their names#so that would be a pretty clear thing abt elros' sailing metaphor vs elronds sindar in beleriand metaphor
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kanalaure · 2 years ago
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actually you know what, while im thinking about maglor when am i not? there's this persistent thought i keep having
idk, maybe im missing or forgetting a chunk of the novel, but. maglors thoughts and motivations abt the events of the silm just... dont seem to exist til around the sirion-kinslaying era? not that he doesnt have any, thats not what i mean
i mean.... he's fundamentally a follower, despite technically having been acting high king of the noldor for longer than his father and maedhros and fingon combined. whatever he actually thinks about alqualonde, or doriath, or the oath or doom in general, he keeps it to himself (really, he's remarkably quiet about his feelings for someone who's so famous for being a singer, poet, and historian that that's frequently mentioned before the whole kinslaying mess(es)) and sort of goes along w what he's told to do. right up until he takes in elrond and elros, which is painted as his decision in the published version (if not all the drafts, but thats another discussion). and after that he voices relief about the silmaril being placed in the sky when it first sails no 'secure from all evil' isnt making me cry bc i believe he included himself in that category, i'm just cutting onions. at midnight, and later his reluctance to keep going down this path. and its just interesting to me, how him and mae seem to have opposing arcs about it?
bc maedhros starts off strong. he goes to beleriand to revenge their grandfather and doesn't actually seem to give a damn about the silmarils. he refuses to burn the ships, he makes himself a mighty enemy to morgoth, for centuries, and then... the nirnaeth, he loses fingon credibility, and celegorm slides into that void of leadership. doriath happens, and maedhros didnt want to go, but in the end, does, doesn't find dior and nimloth's boys, and just... seems to give up, between then and sirion. because its definitely him who orchestrated that attack, and later he argues with maglor until he caves and they make that last horrible run on the silmarils
this doesn't really have a point, per se. i just had the thought, and it keeps grabbing me at odd moments, so i guess i'd like to hear what anyone else thinks about it
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