#and chara accidentally almost killed Kris >;)

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Looks like the entire household is together! I wonder where Miss. Toriel is?

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A fun continuation! Lots of crazy vibes. Due to school, I'll be taking another month/months hiatus. I should really stop making so many cliffhangers ;P

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idk how to really introduce this so, this is basically an analysis of how i see the parallels between off, undertale, and deltatune; contains spoilers for all three

I think the key to all of them is shaming you the player for killing characters, but the difference is how much of a choice you have/how easy or hard it is to do

off takes advantage of the style of game but doesn’t give you a choice at all, it’s either kill all the npcs or don’t play the game; however it’s probably the least bad because you still have the out of ‘the batter never told me this was their goal, I didn’t know I was killing the specters’

undertale also takes advantage of the format but gives you a choice to do the right thing, if you do accidentally kill an npc in the beginning you can still reset and try again; and if you choose to commit genocide that’s all on you and, iirc, chara directly shames you for that choice (even if it is just saying your choices helped them)

deltarune at first seems to be the opposite of off (you know, by being a normal rpg that doesnt guilt you for killing/make killing count), it doesn’t give you a choice but it forces you on a pacifist run instead, until snowgraves/pipis/weird

snowgraves gives you so many outs, at almost every turn the game practically begs you to turn back and just play the game normally and the run is so easy to fuck up, and not only that, after a while it starts showing it’s not Kris making these monstrous decisions. it’s you. and as a reward for your extra efforts to be awful, it let’s you be awful. really awful. manipulate your character’s friend into murder awful. it makes you feel awful for your choice, watching Noelle break down like this, and the worst part is knowing it gave you a choice, a really easy one, and you still chose to do this

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Speculating On Deltarune A Bit

I just watched Keyan Carlile's video on old Gravity Falls theories, and it got me to make this post which I've been meaning to do for a hot minute. This is just gonna be an obsessive's ramblings based off other stories he likes.

KRIS AND RALSEI

Noelle already speculates that Ralsei looks somewhat like Asriel, although chances are Toby is gonna twist our balls on this one since she never outright says who Ralsei resembles which would make this a great red herring. Now that I think about it, if Susie has been in Hometown for a while and didn't move in recently, the fact she says nothing about Ralsei's appearance might mean Asriel looks different. Or maybe she is a recent resident and simply didn't know Asriel when he was younger since she still hints that Ralsei bares a resemblance to Toriel. Could go either way.

That aside, let's get to what I wanted to say: Since Kris and Asriel are siblings and were more than likely raised together, and if Ralsei does resemble Asriel, maybe the reason why Kris is so averse to the Ralsei tea and in general seems to get uncomfortable around Ralsei is because he resembles their sibling. I mean seriously, imagine if you found a fucking spitting image of your sibling in a different world when your actual brother is off somewhere else, and this doppleganger looks younger (let's presume Asriel appears older just like Kris does than Frisk and Chara), and some entity you can't comprehend keeps putting you two together like a child does their Ken and Barbie dolls. Of course you'd be repulsed! I don't think I've seen a lot of people reflect on that. JaruJaru somewhat does it with his befuddling (if intriguing) theory of how Ralsei came to be, but he does it on a "What if Kris accidentally killed Asriel and his dust was left in a spot for the Dark World?," but really think about it: some force beyond you seems adamant in putting you in fluffily romantic situations with someone who heavily resembles your brother, don't matter if y'all're related by blood or not. This idea came to me as a joke tweet but then I actually thought about it and I suddenly got new dimensions. I doubt this is wjat Toby Fox is playing at but still. After all, Kris seems very attached to Asriel. On that note...

2. KRIS AND ASRIEL

This is way more on the fanfic/what if scale of things, but what if Asriel isn't the best brother? I revisited an old manga I shall not name, but essentially the protagonist loved his big brother and saw him as an angel, almost a God. But once he looks into his brother, he finds out over time that he wasn't the best person. Unlike Asriel, this big brother was unkind and aloof, often antagonistic to others and repulsed by them, "loving" only his little brother. Maybe Asriel didn't mistreat Kris, but I doubt Toby Fox will give us an angel, and more than likely I feel Asriel might know more than the average person.

There's a lot of mystery surrounding his bond with Kris, so it can go in any direction. We got the pure Asriel in Undertale through flashbacks of him as a child, but we all saw how co-dependent he was as an adult(?), and how corrupt he became as Flowey.

I originally had way more to say but this is all that actually came out as words. Everything else whittled away to nothingness. I got no damn idea how the Command Route is gonna play with all these either.

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UT/DR human SOULs headcanons (with pictures)!

I was thinking about what my thoughts of them were gonna be, and decided to make a post! But I guess I need to start from what Determination (DT) is!

See, at first, I made a mistake assuming that red SOUL trait was called DT as well, as it was wildly popular headcanon. This is what interacting with the fandom before playing the game gets you... But I searched all over the game, and didn’t find any other hint besides Frisk having ‘the most of DT’. Word Determination however, is written in golden text, SAVE points are golden too. Meanwhile, snow ball game doesn’t even name the red trait, only suggests that Frisk has it because of their ability to show other six in the right situation. 

So basically, I headcanon them as different things! DT is the power to deceive death (whether you are avoiding it yourself, or accidentally raise ‘not a nice person’ from the grave...), but red trait is ‘being able to still stay yourself no matter what happens. You can stand against adversity - the game suggests that ‘it’s still you’ if you don’t become all too evil. Sinse red trait did not have actual name...

I decided that it shouldn’t have one name, then! This trait will be known as humanity for humans and monsterity for monsters. I like to think that Chara’s red SOUL came from the fact that whatever pain humans they knew put on them, they didn’t bend and instead just cursed their entire kind and helped themselves out of it. Kris wanted to stay their quiet, weird kid self so much that they tore their SOUL out when they realized it’s moving... also a very willing move.

Perseverance is aligned with not giving up, too! The difference is, purple trait is when you will face any challenges and changes you have to in order to survive, but red trait is when you refuse to bend abandon your ideals, even if it MIGHT end you... But if you are THAT cool - your SOUL is not only immortal, but can reverse death! Works for bad humans too - are you ‘still yourself’ because you refused to let the world ruin you, or because you turned down every single chance to redemption and stayed bad?

And seven’th flower in Asgore’s basement being golden and not red? I think that represents just how hard it is to achieve the red trait!

I also personally believe that human SOULs can come in any color thinkable! EXCEPT for pink/magenta... It would feel strange for me if human SOULs had classification other than ‘just a human SOUL!’, even though 7 pure rainbow traits are good umbrella terms for most virtues that aren’t intellectual or talent ones. Green human is not ‘a human with SOUL of kindness’, it is ‘a kind human with a SOUL of a human’! Basically, if it has a color - it is a human SOUL! And I like to think that all human SOULs might change colors.

Monsters’ SOULs don’t flicker, as they are more keen with nature (to the point of naturally not trying to defy death, apparently...) and right feelings more often than not find them on their own - especially if they are shown kindness from someone else. Humans can actually choose to use (or not use) other virtues, because ‘Humans don’t need love and compassion to survive’.

As for the Ghost monsters, I really like to think that they originate from humans. Napstablook can’t get killed, and doesn’t have a SOUL - they ARE a SOUL! A white SOUL, specifically. I belive Mad Dummy ghost is white too. But as you can see, body, memories and even complexity of personality are lost - Napstablook is always sad, Mad Dummy is always angry... Mettaton was always sweet and sentimental, unless I misread it. Their only shot to come out of the state of Limbo is to take a shot at second life, being reborn as a monster (that happened with Mettaton, as you can kill him in robot body).

I like to think that if we were to play as other fallen humans, battles would almost always default into their preferred mode. Patience and Bravery modes were not used for reals, but I like to think that cyan SOUL mode would default into rhytm-game, whereas orange SOUL mode would have you smash buttons madly to 'attack’ the bullets pattern with your movement! If you slow down and try to dodge naturally - they would get you.

Now, about Deltarune? I tried to imagine on what other humans might look like in the Dark World...

This one is not accurate to my specific fallen humans designs due to difference in brightness, more like, I tried to use Kris’ coloration as default. Just a small handy reference for me if I must design any more human fan-characters for Deltarune setting! As for whether personality of humans might effect their battle style...

I like to think so, yes! Bow to take down the bad guys, closest range weapon to face the enemy head on... Essentially, the most versatile ones are honest humans and ‘screw you, world!’ humans - albeit most often, you will find the former using culture objects and tools, whereas latter tends to use weapon showing raw power, since their personality is so powerful.

And just a small bonus of fusion traits, because I really like to imagine what fusion modes might be like! For example, orange + purple mode could easily work like old Doodle Jump game in the phones! I made extra effort to remove magenta/pink colors from the list, so the closest to it is pale-red confidence. Admittedly, they are rarer, and more importantly, fusions that include red colored mode seem to be... not very nice. I like to imagine that if we got to play as genuinely a very mean human, those would be their SOUL modes... You can just see very strong emphasis on ‘refusal’ in these traits!

Well, with that said, I think I am done geeking out about the traits here! I just really love to analyze this stuff, besides it will just be handy reference in the future.. (And I did have to stop myself before geeking out about how fusion SOULs modes gameplay would be, the post gotten loooong.)

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I've rediscovered Judgement Boy and Underlab theory videos and BOI do I have a theory for you.

Spoilers for literally EVERY game Toby Fox has made in the past decade.

Ok so they've established that the Neutral, Pacifist and No Mercy runs are all canon as different timelines of Undertale that all coexist. Sans even describes as predicting the end of the No Mercy route by describing a future where nothing exists. Sans copes with this via laughing and joking it off, making thinly-veiled threats against the player and literally exerting himself to kill the player if they go through the No Mercy route.

Gaster's last experiment had to do with something "darker, darker yet darker" and literally had NO photons whatsoever, fell into his creation, exploded and is now existing in various tiny pieces across time and space. Gaster's last known message ended with "what do you two think?"

Sans knew Alphys and is tied to Gaster via his love for science and having an attack named after him, as well as concept art for his scrapped grandfather "Grandpa Semi" as well as something censored in the same concept art.

Sans also has a mini lab in the back of their house where a mysterious broken-down machine resides, as well as a photo with three people in one of the drawers and documents with strange writing (wingdings aka Gaster's language)

In Deltarune, Sans appears with the ENTIRE GRILLBY'S ESTABLISHMENT with Grillby's name poorly scratched out and replaced with his own name. Grillby is nowhere to be seen to my information.

There's also another world/dimension called the Dark World, full of creatures called Darkners. Certain characters can open Dark Fountains, allowing access to multiple Dark Worlds and portals from the real world to the Dark World.

Gaster's theme is referenced as "garbage noise" if Kris uses their phone in the Dark World and during Spamton's backstory when he stops getting calls and the Addisons describe the noise that comes from the phone as "garbage noise"

Seam describes Jevil's declining mental state as his world view getting "darker yet darker"

Kris can find two hidden easter "eggs" in both Chapters 1 and 2 in obscure areas that are rare to find

In Undertale, turning the FUN meter up high enough (it involves a lot of the number 6), you can access an obscure, hidden room with one of Gaster's theorized sprites

It's hinted at through several Amalgamate interactions and several boss monster death scenes that a lot of monsters cope through pain via joking and laughter (as well as Chara doing this as well when they accidentally poisoned Asgore)

Deltarune!Sans alludes to knowing the player if you ask a certain question, claiming that he "hasn't met them before" with THAT look

Theory:

Gaster was the royal scientist, either Sans and Papyrus' father or grandfather. He was a strange man. Nice, but strange, almost nihilistic. However, he was desperate. He was desperate to find a way to break the barrier without souls. Either out of laziness that he passed down to Sans, or that he didn't want Sans or Papyrus to kill or be killed.

Gaster worked with Alphys and Sans, taking them in as assistants. He made the core, so of course he could find a way out. If they couldn't break the barrier, he could find another way. If they couldn't break the barrier in this timeline...

They'd go to another timeline.

The three soon went to work on a machine. An artificial Dark Fountain, if you would. Everything was working well, Gaster was pleased. However, Sans and Alphys? Not so much, but they were making progress.

But of course, something happens. Something always has to happen. The machine malfunctioned, and Gaster ran to fix it in a hurry. You can only guess what happened from there. Gaster fell into his machine, and rather being transported to a Dark World immediately, the machine fucked up the process and shattered his entire being, spreading him across time and space.

Sans was devastated, Alphys moreso since she probably wasn't there at the time but later heard about it. Sans took the rest of the machine to his house and supposedly trying to repair it before and during the events of Undertale. He also takes up several jobs around the underground, either to get enough funds to buy needed resources or to hide what the fuck he's doing. He takes up practical jokes to laugh through the pain of losing Gaster.

Either during the Neutral or No Mercy run, Sans repairs the machine and uses it to hop through dimensions, either taking Papyrus with him, the Grillby's restaurant or both depending if Papyrus lives. Though, we haven't seen Papyrus in Deltarune, so if he's dead, Sans is probably playing his theme song on a radio for nostalgia because I can totally see Papyrus playing Bonetrousle on a radio during battles.

Why Grillby's? Either Grillby is dead or he just moved on/went bankrupt cuz Sans wouldn't pay his goddamn tab and Sans wanted the free ketchup and a cover when he jumped dimensions.

He also probably helps out and/or flirts with Toriel seeing that she's not dead anymore, Asgore's out of the picture he's not taking anymore chances. That or he's just being a better friend to her, too. It can go either way.

So, what happens next? Maybe you'll be able to assemble Gaster's body in Asgore's fridge once you collect all the eggs, maybe Sans will have a big role by the end. Gaster's referenced HEAVILY in Deltarune, so it has to mean something. Again, this is a theory, not fact.

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ok ok I'm gonna try to put it into words

I think the key to all of them is shaming you the player for killing characters, the difference is how much of a choice you have

off takes advantage of the style of game but doesn't give you a choice at all, it's either kill all the npcs or don't play the game; however it's probably the least bad because you still have the out of 'the batter never told me this was their goal, I didn't know I was killing the specters'

undertale also takes advantage of the format but gives you a choice to do the right thing, if you do accidentally kill an npc in the beginning you can still reset and try again; and if you choose to commit genocide that's all on you and, iirc, chara directly shames you for that choice (even if it is just saying your choices helped them)

deltarune at first seems to be the opposite of off, it doesn't give you a choice but it forces you on a pacifist run instead, until snowgraves/pipis/weird

snowgraves gives you so many outs, at almost every turn the game practically begs you to turn back and just play the game normally and the run is so easy to fuck up, and not only that, after a while it starts showing it's not Kris making these monstrous decisions. it's you. and as a reward for your extra efforts to be awful, it let's you be awful. really awful. manipulate your character's friend into murder awful. it makes you feel awful for your choice, watching Noelle break down like this, and the worst part is knowing it gave you a choice, a really easy one, and you still chose to do this

oauagaoagaiagsh so many ut/dr and off comparisons coming to mind