#and all of it would be kind of moot if he knew that the lloyd he chose to keep and the one he let go were one and the same
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Hello! Did Javier or Frontera couple actually never find out that Original Lloyd and Kim Suho shared the same soul????
That's so sad :"(
they don't :( but to be fair neither does lloyd. as far as i know, this is an audience exclusive revelation and no one in-universe knows about it.
and tbh i'm kinda glad? i don't know, i much prefer that the affection and love that exists between the frontera family and suho come from their own experiences and the relationship they built by themselves rather than because it turned out suho was their own child all along. i think it would cheapen the found family aspect of it all.
as it is, i think it was... not a bad decision on bk moon's part to make the twist, but only because he waited to drop the bomb til the last chapter, once all the relationships had already been developed on their own. had it been on the middle of the novel, there would've always been the doubt of "oh is he doing all of this because they were his family in his previous life? does he actually care for them or does he just feel guilty? do they only love each other because they were biological family once?" and honestly it would've sucked, i hate just thinking about it lol
as it is, i think it's already a slippery slope, i've already seen a couple comments about how suho is the way he is because of og lloyd's feelings and guilt and like,,,, No ajsdhjka
for one thing suho has no recollection of his previous life, he's not at all affected by og lloyd's guilt or memories, everything he does, everything he feels is because of his own lived experiences and character. to attribute everything he accomplishes to the last split second resolution of a man who never cared enough to do something for himself or his family in his own life, would be a disservice to his character and honestly, kind of a let down if that's what bkm was going for.
and for another, i just think it's way more poignant to have lloyd find a family that loves and cares for him, not because of blood ties or same-soul shenanigans, but because of who he is and what he's done. it would be kind of disappointing for the story to say "they only care for each other because they were biological family before" because,,, then what was the point of the build up, of their relationship development, of the slowburn of lloyd coming to accept that not only does he sees arcos and marbella as parents but that he deserves their love too. it would negate how big of a choice it was for the fronteras themselves to decide that they loved lloyd, even knowing he wasn't their son, that they cared for him not as a replacement but as his own person, that they trusted him even after the deception, that they wanted him to come home and be part of their family.
all of that would be kind of cheapened if everyone knew that suho's previous life was og lloyd, because then what's the big problem, it's still the same soul, it's basically the same person, they were already family once, no big deal to be family again, everything is wrapped up in a neat little bow with no loose ends and they can carry on their merry lives without facing the big difficult emotions that come with all of the previously mentioned dilemmas.
ok maybe i'm exaggerating a little, i do think there would be very interesting feelings to explore if they did end up knowing about it, but let's be honest, they wouldn't have been explored in canon lol. this is not the kind of novel to explore the grand dilemmas that come with a reincarnated soul making amends for the faults it committed in its previous life and that's okay, not every novel can be.
but i don't know. perhaps i just like the found family trope more than the 'they were related all along' one even if it's just soul wise askjdlafkd
again this is just the way i see things, if you feel differently that's also perfectly okay and i would love to talk about it if you guys want! i'm just. being silly :3
#hey i got an ask#faceless-dude#tged#the greatest estate developer#lloyd frontera#og lloyd frontera#arcos frontera#marbella frontera#god i didn't even mention javier in this.#but honestly. i think it's for the best that javier never knew about it.#it was such a big character moment for him to decide to not turn lloyd in when he figures he's a fake#his loyalty divided between the oath he made in protecting the frontera family. his responsibility of keeping og lloyd safe.#and the loyalty he has towards lloyd. his genuine belief that the best option is for him to stay. the ruthless conviction that if he has to#choose what lloyd to keep then there's basically no contest as the fake one is the one that's keeping everything together#it's not a kind thought but it is a logical one and he knows og lloyd is useless if not outright harmful for the estate and so he chooses#what he thinks is best for the estate and the family even if he does feel guilty for not keeping his master's son safe#it is a big character motivation moment for him#and all of it would be kind of moot if he knew that the lloyd he chose to keep and the one he let go were one and the same#so. i choose to believe he never knew and he has to live with the knowledge that when the chips were down he chose#lloyd over a member of the family he swore to protect <3#god dang it i did it again i promise i'm not trying to make the tags this long they just run away from me lol
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In your judgment, should an American company operating in a foreign country in which collusive price fixing is not illegal obey the U.S. laws against collusion? Why?
COMMENTARY:
Doing business outside of the American Free Enterprise Zone is a step into Free Market economics. Our country innovated fixed price retail sales. Everything was haggling like the Cairo black markets in ancient manuscripts for everything.
Trump is using haggling skills he brings from American trade among theives which can be a life-threatening practice anywhere but outside the American Free Enterprise Zone.
Pax Romana was the first large scale Free Enterprise/Free Trade Zone. Free Trade in a Free Market Zone is characterized by a great deal of piracy, sea-borne hijacking just like the Somalia pirates fishing without nets in Captain Phillips starring Tom Hanks.
The kidnapping of Julius Caesar seems to have set a chain of thought more or less universially among all the contenders jousting for God Father of All God Fathers, which Julius won for his family. Augusta installed by tradition the anti-piracy coast guard mission to the Roman fleets . I think this is where crucifixion really got traction: the Romans crucified pirates at ports to announce the Free Enterprise ground rules of business. One of the first things that jumped out me in reading Ben Hur was that letters of credit were being employed in the Mediterranean. That is very advanced capitalism. Letters of credit are still a handy way to move money around for big projects across a lot of boarders. Letters of Credit defines Warton and Warton produces a military apparatchek with very similar entrepreneurial skill sets, majors/Lieutenants and lieutenant colonels/Commanders. James Bond was a commander, but his authorites seemed to be capped at the lieutenant commander strata. He would retire as a captain, perhaps even a flag-rank. Lawrence of Arabia was a major. He had enough status to move easily through the military bureaucracy with near perfect autonomy, but not a lot of swerving out of his lane. As major, he would have been issued a letter of credit from a lieutenant colonel who was the comptroller of the larger shop headed up by flag rank. A full colonel would be in there like John Kelly in a COS/XO status. He would be the banker and spare change for the office of the commanding officer. And the tombstone for all the letters of credit operating in the field in this command would reside in this office.
And the crucifixions said that the rule of law was present and correct: it was still very crude compared to, say, Whilshire Blvd or Amazon Prime, but Free Enterprise Zones, because the sort of crime that John Gotti, Al Capone and Don Corleone operated was systematically purged from the system, allowing for the sort of standardized and uniform retail sales we employ at the grocery store/711/dodega to get through the day. I picks my size and pays me money, No worries, Mon!
Jefferson’s commitment to global Free Enterprise/Free Trade Zones is immortalized in the Marine Hymn: Gaddafi died in a running gun fight outside of Tripoli. Not all that much has changed, but institutions like Lloyds of London have been established to enforce Free Enterrpise/Free Trade Zones against the constant encroachment of the elements of Free Market protocols.
Now, as I say, just going to Mexico and Canada takes you outside the America Free Enterprise. Free Trade Zone into Free Market protocols. Canada doesn’t have much black market, but Mexico, because of our stupid War on Drugs, is nearly overwhealmed by black market protocols in a John Gotti/Don Corleoane/G OP Deep State kind of way. America has a lot more black market than it needs and it began as a cancer growing around the Presidency that is captured in the Powell Memorandum of 1971 and became the law of the land with Bob Dole’s 1986 Tax Reforms which Trump repeated with his Tax Reforms of 2017. I don’t know what kind of disaster this has unleashed but things like Somalia pirates won’t be a problem after John Galt makes the sign of the dollar over the smoking ruins of everything we take for granted.
Including posting on Quara.
Reagan inherited what history will record the leading edge of the Pax Columbia set into motion by George Marshall set into motion in 1942 in anticipation of the economic disaters the looming war was going to create. FDR had begun to mobilize America as an agricultural-industrial complex with the New Deal not unlike Hitler’s social engineering but based on the aspirations of the Declaration of Indepence and the generosity of spirit embedded in the US Constitution. Then the war came along and Marshall knew from his years at VMI just how devastating war is on an economy, win, lose or draw plus he had the historical example of the failure of Reconstruction and by 1956, it was apparent that the Marshall Plan was going to win the Cold War and the combination of NATO and the United Nations, a Pax Columbia could be installed in a Peace Through Superior Kind of Way and, even though going off-shore to do business, it meant entering a Free Market Zone, some of that Free Market quality was cultural, like doing business in Rome is languid and Madrid is the brillian gesture and Moscow a sort of comforting paranoia of state surveillance because the Russian mafia is so Tombstone Territory.
So, you got to play the game and pay respect as is the local custom and that’s where it gets tricky. In Russia, there is a tradition of “blat”, which is literally the sound mone makes hitting the palm in a bribe. Or housewives demanding the paycheck on Friday “Show me the money!”: you slap the back of one hand into the palm of the other “Show me (blat, blat, blat) the (blat) MONEY! (blat, blat, etc). The Soviet Union couldn’t have worked at all without this very Free Market institution, a sort of stylized hiway robbery as in “I’m Donald. I’ll be your mugger to night”. Some niggardly Americans consider tipping to fall into that catagory, but you’re just cheap. “Blat” is really the best demonstration of the folly of Marxism, but it had it’s roots in the top-down free market behaviors of the Czars.
And there’s stuff like that in all cultures that seems Free Market to American businessmen who are used to Free Enerprise. The thing is that Free Enterprise is breaking down all over the globe because of 37 years of Reaganomics, the Somalia pirates being just one symptom. The Tory Socialism of Reaganomics is the economic time bomb John Galt began to wire into the economy with William F. Buckley’s Sharon Statement in 1960, then the Powell Memo in 1971, then Bob Dole’s 1986 Tax Reform and Trump’s 2017 Tax Reform. Blowing up globalism is blowing up the Monroe Doctrine to finance the Koch brother’s tax subsidies.
Following the laws of American Free Enterprise off-shore was made possible by the Marshall Plan doing business off-shore in an American best practices kind of way. The Deomocratic Socialism of Ford’s “living wage” policies and the New Deal from 1933 onward provided the Demand-Side economics that is the actual engine of American constitutional capitalism and not Supply-side command economics like Tory Socialism and Soviet Marxism.
American retail sales is based on price fixing. That’s what Trump’s tarriff wars are all about. There is a harmonic to tarriffs that he inherited that he is disrupting. Until I found out that it was Clinton’s analytics that shaped his design of his campaign in October and not his intuitive insights he was developing from rating, I though he knew what he was doing.
He doesn’t. The question is likely to be moot before 2020, if not Thanksgiving.
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Songs About Jealousy: 60 Jealous Love Songs
Fear. Anger. Mistrust. Envy. Apprehension. It’s not one of the nicer sides of love, but jealousy is a part of it. When you’re with someone you care deeply about it can drive you a little crazy, have you doubting yourself and your relationship, and make you wonder What does this person even see in me? Is it any wonder there are so many songs about jealousy?
Whether you’re watching the one you love with someone else across a room full of faces, lusting after your best friend’s girl, or just wondering what you’d do if you were her man, there’s a jealous song that might not make you feel any better but maybe a little less alone. Check out the list below or listen to it on Spotify.
1. Jealous Bone, Patty Loveless And I know I’m gonna run you off, if I don’t learn to let you go. But ooh oh you make me lose control.
2. Jealousy, Natalie Merchant Is she the sort you’ve always thought, could make you what you’re not?
3. My Best Friend’s Girl, The Cars You’re always dancing down the street with your suede blue eye-eyes. And every new boy that you meet doesn’t know the real surprise.
4. Lounge Act, Nirvana I’ll arrest myself and wear a shield. I’ll go out of my way to prove I still smell her on you.
5. Hey Jealousy, Gin Blossoms The past is gone but something might be found to take its place… Hey jealousy.
6. Mr. Brightside, The Killers Jealousy, turning saints into the sea, swimming through sick lullabies, choking on your alibis.
7. No One Else, Weezer I want a girl who will laugh for no one else. When I’m away she puts her makeup on the shelf.
8. When It Was Me, Paula Oh, oh, and I’m not jealous, no, I’m not. Oh, oh, I just want everything she’s got.
9. Revenge, P!nk Featuring Eminem I’m daydreamin’, let me count the ways how I’ll get you or how I’ll make you pay.
10. You Can’t Do That, The Beatles I got something to say that might cause you pain. If I catch you talking to that boy again, I’m gonna let you down and leave you flat. Because I told you before, oh you can’t do that.
11. Every Breath You Take, The Police Oh can’t you see, you belong to me. How my poor heart breaks, with every breath you take.
12. When I Was Your Man, Bruno Mars Should have gave you all my hours when I had the chance. Take you to every party ’cause all you wanted to do was dance. Now my baby’s dancing but she’s dancing with another man.
13. You Belong with Me, Taylor Swift If you can see I’m the one who understands you. Been here all along so why can’t you see, you belong with me.
14. That’s Him Over There, Nina Simone I guess that you know what extremes I have gone to, to prove that I didn’t care. You were so anxious to meet the dream that I’ve hung onto. Well, that’s him, that’s my Jim, over there.
15. She’s Got You, Patsy Cline I’ve got your class ring that proved you cared. And it still looks the same as when you gave it, dear. The only thing different, the only thing new, I’ve got these little things, she’s got you.
16. Gallery, Mario Vazquez And girl you’re just way too fine. Gotta be treated as one of a kind. Girl use your mind. Don’t be just another dime.
17. Girl Crush, Little Big Town I want to taste her lips. Yeah, ’cause they taste like you.
18. Green is the Colour, Pink Floyd Envy is the bond between the hopeful and the damned.
19. Jealous Guy, John Lennon I’m sorry that I made you cry. Oh my I didn’t want to hurt you. I’m just a jealous guy.
20. Jessie’s Girl, Rick Springfield I feel so dirty when they start talking cute. I wanna tell her that I love her but the point is probably moot.
21. Satellite of Love, Lou Reed I’ve been told that you’ve been bold with Harry, Mark, and John. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday to Thursday. With Harry, Mark, and John.
22. Who Is He (And What Is He to You?), Bill Withers Now when I add the sum of you and me, I get confused when I keep coming up with three. You’re too much for one man, but not enough for two.
23. If I Lost You, Garbage There are times when I see you talking to other girls, I feel insecure. And every time I see you walking out, I wonder if you’re coming back to me.
24. Jealous (I Ain’t With It) So is it really my fault, I get a shiver when I see you with those other guys.
25. Jealous Again, The Black Crows Stop, understand me. I ain’t afraid of losing face. Stop, understand me. I ain’t afraid of ever losing faith in you.
26. Tell Her No, The Zombies And if she should tell you come closer, and if she tempts you with her charms, tell her no no no no no-no-no-no.
27. Ring the Alarm, Beyoncé Ring the alarm, I been through this too long, but I’ll be damned if I see another chick on your arm.
28. I (Who Have Nothing), Ben E. King I, I who have no one, must watch you go dancing by, wrapped in the arms of somebody else when, darling, it’s I who loves you.
29. Jealous Hearted Blues, Ma Rainey Going to buy me a bulldog, to watch him while I sleep. Just to keep my man from making his midnight creep. Yes I’m jealous, jealous. Jealous hearted me.
30. Jealousy, Queen Oh jealousy you tripped me up. Jealousy you brought me down. You bring me sorrow you cause me pain. Jealousy when will you let go?
31. Treat You Better, Shawn Mendes I won’t lie to you, I know he’s just not right for you.
32. The Jealous Kind, Joe Cocker It’s just that I’m so afraid someone might steal you away, I’d lose my mind. So please forgive me for the way I act sometimes. I’m the jealous kind.
33. I Want Your Girlfriend to Be My Girlfriend Too, Reel Big Fish There’s a little girl I know, you might know her too. She looks so good, she looks so cute, standin’ next to you. And I don’t know what to do.
34. Silver Springs, Fleetwood Mac Don’t say that she’s pretty, and did you say that she loved you. Baby I don’t want to know.
35. Jealous, Nick Jonas It’s not your fault that they hover, I mean no disrespect. It’s my right to be hellish. I still get jealous.
36. Before He Cheats, Carrie Underwood Right now, she’s probably up singing some white-trash version of Shania karaoke. Right now, she’s probably saying “I’m drunk” and he’s a-thinking that he’s gonna get lucky.
37. Jealous Lover, Rainbow Shades of red, eyes of green, sees black and white, and there’s no in between.
38. Forgive My Jealousy, Chuck Jackson Forgive this foolish fear that rages inside of me. Oh, I love you so much love has blinded me.
39. Beautiful Liar, Shakira and Beyoncé I walked in on your love scene, slow dancing. You stole everything, how can you say I did you wrong.
40. Pickup Truck, Kings of Leon And in the moonlight I throwed him down, a kicking, screaming, a rolling around. A little piece of a bloody tooth. Just so you know I was thinking of you.
41. Want U Back, Cher Lloyd Remember all the things that you and I did first? And now you’re doing them with her. Remember all the things that you and I did first? You got me, got me like this.
42. Bust Your Windows, Jazmine Sullivan I bust the windows out ya car and no it didn’t mend my broken heart.
43. You Oughta Know, Alanis Morissette Is she perverted like me? Would she go down on you in a theater? Does she speak eloquently? And would she have your baby? I’m sure she’d make a really excellent mother.
44. Girlfriend, Avril Lavigne She’s like so whatever. You could do so much better. I think we should get together now.
45. Dysentery Gary, Blink 182 Life just sucks, I lost the one. I’m giving up. She found someone. There’s plenty more. Girls are such a drag.
46. Jealousy, Spoon Jealousy, you have never done a thing for me.
47. Endlessly Jealous, Lou Reed Endlessly jealous of you, being endlessly jealous of me. The man that you thought I could be turning red with jealousy.
48. Jealousy, Iggy Pop I feel it comin’ it’s flushin’ my face. I feel it comin’ jealousy baby. I feel it comin’ boilin my blood . I feel it comin’ jealousy baby.
49. Jealousy, Billy Fury I loved you too well. For I doubted you in my heart. My life was hell every moment we were apart. Why did I make that big mistake? I wronged you right from the start.
50. False Accusations, Robert Cray I was so wrong. She’s gone tonight. I was so wrong. I can see her now. And jealousy had twisted me somehow.
51. Suspicious Minds, Elvis Presley We’re caught in a trap. I can’t walk out, because I love you too much, baby.
52. Dark Lady, Cher So I sneaked back and caught her with my man, laughing and kissing till they saw the gun in my hand. The next thing I knew they were dead on the floor. Dark lady would never turn a card up anymore.
53. I Wonder What She’s Doing Tonight, Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart We were so close but we should’ve been closer and it’s making me feel so sad. But I tell myself I didn’t lose her ’cause you can’t lose a friend you never had.
54. Run for Your Life, The Beatles Well I’d rather see you dead, little girl, than to be with another man.
55. My Girl Bill, Jim Stafford Bill, you know we just left her place, and we both know what she said. She doesn’t want to see your face, and she wishes you were dead!
56. He Don’t Love You (Like I Love You), Tony Orlando and Dawn The handsome guy that you’ve been dating, whoa, I got a feelin’ he’s gonna put you down.
57. The Girl is Mine, Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney I don’t understand the way you think, saying that she’s yours not mine. Sending roses and your silly dreams, really just a waste of time.
58. No Reply, The Beatles I nearly died, I nearly died. ‘Cause you walked hand in hand with another man in my place.
59. Him or Me – What’s It Gonna Be, Paul Revere & The Raiders I can still recall when you told me I was all everything you looked for in a man. But I know that it’s not true, I’ve seen the way he looks at you, and I think you’re gonna hang me up again.
60. Jealous, Robert Palmer When I see you with that guy and he catches your pretty eye, yYou know it makes we want to die.
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#god i didn't even mention javier in this.#but honestly. i think it's for the best that javier never knew about it.#it was such a big character moment for him to decide to not turn lloyd in when he figures he's a fake#his loyalty divided between the oath he made in protecting the frontera family. his responsibility of keeping og lloyd safe.#and the loyalty he has towards lloyd. his genuine belief that the best option is for him to stay. the ruthless conviction that if he has to#choose what lloyd to keep then there's basically no contest as the fake one is the one that's keeping everything together#it's not a kind thought but it is a logical one and he knows og lloyd is useless if not outright harmful for the estate and so he chooses#what he thinks is best for the estate and the family even if he does feel guilty for not keeping his master's son safe#it is a big character motivation moment for him#and all of it would be kind of moot if he knew that the lloyd he chose to keep and the one he let go were one and the same#so. i choose to believe he never knew and he has to live with the knowledge that when the chips were down he chose#lloyd over a member of the family he swore to protect <3
put half of the post on the tags again sorry bout that </3
Hello! Did Javier or Frontera couple actually never find out that Original Lloyd and Kim Suho shared the same soul????
That's so sad :"(
they don't :( but to be fair neither does lloyd. as far as i know, this is an audience exclusive revelation and no one in-universe knows about it.
and tbh i'm kinda glad? i don't know, i much prefer that the affection and love that exists between the frontera family and suho come from their own experiences and the relationship they built by themselves rather than because it turned out suho was their own child all along. i think it would cheapen the found family aspect of it all.
as it is, i think it was... not a bad decision on bk moon's part to make the twist, but only because he waited to drop the bomb til the last chapter, once all the relationships had already been developed on their own. had it been on the middle of the novel, there would've always been the doubt of "oh is he doing all of this because they were his family in his previous life? does he actually care for them or does he just feel guilty? do they only love each other because they were biological family once?" and honestly it would've sucked, i hate just thinking about it lol
as it is, i think it's already a slippery slope, i've already seen a couple comments about how suho is the way he is because of og lloyd's feelings and guilt and like,,,, No ajsdhjka
for one thing suho has no recollection of his previous life, he's not at all affected by og lloyd's guilt or memories, everything he does, everything he feels is because of his own lived experiences and character. to attribute everything he accomplishes to the last split second resolution of a man who never cared enough to do something for himself or his family in his own life, would be a disservice to his character and honestly, kind of a let down if that's what bkm was going for.
and for another, i just think it's way more poignant to have lloyd find a family that loves and cares for him, not because of blood ties or same-soul shenanigans, but because of who he is and what he's done. it would be kind of disappointing for the story to say "they only care for each other because they were biological family before" because,,, then what was the point of the build up, of their relationship development, of the slowburn of lloyd coming to accept that not only does he sees arcos and marbella as parents but that he deserves their love too. it would negate how big of a choice it was for the fronteras themselves to decide that they loved lloyd, even knowing he wasn't their son, that they cared for him not as a replacement but as his own person, that they trusted him even after the deception, that they wanted him to come home and be part of their family.
all of that would be kind of cheapened if everyone knew that suho's previous life was og lloyd, because then what's the big problem, it's still the same soul, it's basically the same person, they were already family once, no big deal to be family again, everything is wrapped up in a neat little bow with no loose ends and they can carry on their merry lives without facing the big difficult emotions that come with all of the previously mentioned dilemmas.
ok maybe i'm exaggerating a little, i do think there would be very interesting feelings to explore if they did end up knowing about it, but let's be honest, they wouldn't have been explored in canon lol. this is not the kind of novel to explore the grand dilemmas that come with a reincarnated soul making amends for the faults it committed in its previous life and that's okay, not every novel can be.
but i don't know. perhaps i just like the found family trope more than the 'they were related all along' one even if it's just soul wise askjdlafkd
again this is just the way i see things, if you feel differently that's also perfectly okay and i would love to talk about it if you guys want! i'm just. being silly :3
#og lloyd frontera#lloyd frontera#javier asrahan#arcos frontera#marbella frontera#also. doing this because i need to cite my own tags on another post lmao.#i knew i had talked about this scene before but i couldn't find the post until i checked the tags lol
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