#alys arren

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The Targaryen bloodline, part 7.

The sons of Daeron and their wives. (And Dany)

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Alys is described as a “war prize.” That term alone makes it clear she wasn’t there by choice.

This term was literally given to her by people who weren't there in Harrenhal and didn't know what really happened between Aemond and Alys. She is also called a witch who could have enchanted Aemond.

That's the thing about F&B, it's up to your interpretation. Team black fans and team green fans are literally alike in that they both interpret things as better for their team or their fav characters and worse when it comes to the characters they don't like or hate. Calling Strongs Alys' family when it's never stated in the text that she had any decent relationship with them is just an interpretation, she is a "Strong" only because her father may or may not be someone from this family, but she works as a servant for them. It could even be implied that the Strongs raped her because she had all these children who died, why are people sure she was with them willingly? And with Aemond came an opportunity to get rid of them and rule herself, so she took it, and that's my interpretation. Aemond at least treated her well, called her his lady, listened to what she says (she stopped him from murder) and took her flying on Vhagar.

I already went into this several times starting HERE. But I will again.

You have showed yourself to either not read the book very well or at all.

A) Going Over Specific Claims/Suggestions

It could even be implied that the Strongs raped her because she had all these children who died, why are people sure she was with them willingly?

Why is this MORE likely than Aemond and her not being a"real" couple because he was a maniac who she had every reason to believe could and would threaten her life if she didn;t comply with his desires for her?!

Why would you think that or think of this as a stronger likelihood? Show the evidence OR show some context from historical/asoiaf events that create a pattern and we may be able to consider this as an actual LIKELIHOOD instead of a mere conjecture. Below, I describe war prize context in any conquest-context that has existed since the beginning of conquest's existence in the ancient world.

Alys could just as easily just be having lovers before Aemond arrived and for years, and there's nothing wrong with that (other than it might get in the way of a fantasy of her and Aemond). Why does she need to have been raped to get those children? How many children do you think she even had?! Other servants, people in Harrentown, etc., and it doesn't need to be "a lot" of partners, either. With what textual evidence do you have for you to be making as if she was not only raped but raped so many times that ALL of her dead infants were products of such?! Even if she had been raped, who said ALL/MOST her kids were rape babies?

And why are you taking non-wartime rape for granted, as if it happens on the daily in the Strong household at this time? Though lords can and have abused their seravnts or those beneath them (Aegon II), without suggestion form the text, you have no evidence that Alys' Strong relatives were doing that to her in particular and for a long time? KEY WORD HERE IS WARTIME VS NONWARTIME.

Calling Strongs Alys' family when it's never stated in the text that she had any decent relationship with them is just an interpretation

And when did I imply they were close or cared/loved each other, which is what I am implying with how you use the word "family" here?

The point of bringing up that the Strongs are around her or control the castle and are Alys' overlords is that they are her protection from others precisely bc others would be encrosching on Strong authority if they happened to o itno arrenal to mess wit one of teir servants. Do you have in-text proof that they abused her or that ALL or MOST lord's female bastards are forced to become servants? No? Then stop.

It was never about "relationship"; the Strongs passively and automatically Alys a buffer against the world, an income, a place to rest her head. And bec she is related to them even distantly (much more distantly that Falia Flowers with her half sisters and their mother), they're less inclined to either dislike her OR actively flagrantly mistreat her for fear of their reputation--they are much more public and politically active, too, than Falia's father was. Two sisters were Rhaenyra's handmaids, Lyonel was Hand, Harwin as a goldcloak, and Larys was master of whisperers. you should weigh the possibilites there.

That's the thing about F&B, it's up to your interpretation.

No, some things are not. Rhaenys did NOT burst through the floor of the Dragonpit, bc that absolutely would have been written down as much as Aerea taking Balerion and dissapearing for a year or the Storming of the Dragonpit were recorded. Addam Velaryon did elp the blacks in Tumbleton. Daeron the "Daring" did kill thousands of war refuees just to make a point. Rhaenyra and Daemon did marry very quickly after Laena's death and it was most likely bc their first son Aegon would have been a bastard and was born before expected. Which means they had been messsing around for not that long after Laena died. elaena did kill herself. Alicent did try to get her granddaughter to kill Aegon III even though the girl was 8ish and Aegon 10-12. Blood and Cheese did kill one of Helaena's children. And Aemond did kill many Strong scions out of pure rage and feeling emasculated, just as he did to Luke.

It is up to us the reader to try to glean the implications of these facts, but it is certainly NOT by out willful desires that some things are unknowable. Just as real historical textbooks will still have irrefutable or most-likely-to-have-happened facts.

B) The Picture in the Story

Imagine if Robert had taken a castle similarly, had taken a woman like Alys as a "spoil" of said victory and ten killed a roup of innocents te irl ad known er entire life, and no other details about their relationship proving the will of the woman/girl prior to said conquest...would you have honestly maintained "open to intepretation"?

Once again, I must repeat myself bc people aren't getting it:

Aemond did not got to Harrenhal for a Sunday visit or for afternoon tea; he went there at a time of war to capture it and claim it for the grens for its strategic location and when he realized that Daemon tricked him so the blacks could capture King's Landing he went crazy and mass-murdered children in front of everyone there, including--most likely Alys herself. He turned her home into a prison and did away with possible pieces for later strategy (hostages) against the blacks, which show his emotional volatility, something that would alarm those he has complete and utter authoirty over.

THIS IS NOT AN "INTERPRETATION", THIS IS HISTORICAL FACT!!!!!

Alys did not invite Aemond to Harrenhal bc they didn't know each other or communicate prior to Aemond's "takeover"-that-was-not-a-takeover. Which is more likely? That she'd be horrified and terrified for her own life, or that she'd be turned on by this or have lust more than survival on her mind?! If so, where does it suggest that?!

There is no incontrovertible proof whatsoever that she spelled him to be attracted to her above all other options and even IF so, there is no incontrovertible proof nor strong evidence that she wanted him for the hell of it.

LOGICALLY, all this prooflessness of an alternative to the war-prize/sex slave norm means that we NEED to Occam's Razor this and default to the assumption that this is like most other conquest/war prize events. ALL WE HAVE are the FACTS of:

Aemond taking over

him killing innocent people after feeling publicly humilated (repeating what went down when Maris Barathoen called him manless and he proceeded to kill Lucerys near Storm's End)

Aemond choosing Alys

Alys stopping him from killing another perosn who went up to him with a message of another defeat/humilation

him impregnating her

her telling him he needs to go the the Gods Eye and telling him he'd win against Daemon bc of a vision...when he actually was pretty quickly killed (which then brings to question what Alys was really doing here even IF she truly had visions...she'd have known he wouldn't survive!)

Here is what I said in another post:

Ian Plate writes this in his article: The treatment of women as objects, used to mark male prestige, appears in our earliest extant Greek literature, Homer's Iliad. Here, women are valued as prizes in competition between men, awarded to acknowledge relative male prowess. If you are taken as a war prize, you are an object, a literal reward or prize. You cannot even give consent because your other option is violence/death. Aemond arrives the day after Criston Cole & his army get to Harrenhal, & he almost immediately takes Alys as his war prize...BEFORE he hears about King's Landing. So there was, assumingly, only a few days between his arrival & his claiming Alys. not enough time at all for there to be a deep emotional relationship. Unless we claim that theirs was a love-at-first-sight, true-love romance.

THEREFORE, under all this context AND the lack of reliable proof of her "consenting" to sex or against the war prize/war context, it really doesn't matter that Alys might have SEEMED to consent to sex with him. Esp when the text uses "bedmate" and when he had other options that men expect him to have as a young warrior who "won" a castle and all its inhabitants. This is the word the text uses AND another phrase it uses is "spoils of war".

Under all this context, Alys cannot really say "no" even if she wanted to, and women have been known to comply or to warlord's desires to survive or to protect others.

Look what happens with Dany: in order for her to gain any sort of power, protect herself and others, she had to have sex with Drogo and make it pleasurable for him...she was his sex/bridal slave. Before, he just ignored her and forced himslef on her to the point she wanted to kill herself. she would have been eventually killed, gang-raped, and or utterly alone. The dynamic of a war prize or a woman taken as a "bedmate" (sex slave) when her home has been ravaged is more similar than dissimilar to that.

The women and the others had little to no choice to "comply", thus we cannot come here and say she had the freedom and safety to have a relationship with Aemond no matter what her age. She and other women/children/young men or lower-classed servants in her position are too vulnerable to a swordwielding DRAGONriding PRINCE for us to believe in a situation uncorroborated by EVIDENCE.

Making as if the text allows us to read Alys as fully consenting even as a possibilty reveals itself as a mere fantasy. Not as reasonable assumption. It reveals itself as reifying status quo. It also makes people think they don't have to read the book or practice critical thinking skills, they just have to fantasize to enjoy or understand anything from this or ANY series/work! This is not what "death of the author" really means or allows!!!!!!!!

Again, DO NOT MAKE AS IF THE TEXT ALLOWS THIS INTERPRETATION, IT DOES NOT!

And before anyone tries to bring up Lyanna and Rhaegar, i also already wrote about that HERE, where I point out Lyanna was not a war prize or a spoil of war!

You like "dark romance", fine, but there are some stuff that are simply not morally gray, and esp not without critical details that are NOT given!

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Sobre felicidade, infância e sonhos.

Talvez o dia mais feliz da minha vida tenha sido aquele, há uns vinte anos atrás, quando meu pai nos levou à Praia do Meio, lembro de ter certo medo de chegar ali, tudo era grandioso e parecia ser perigoso. Eu tinha medo de tudo e tudo me encantava muito, tudo era vislumbrante. Lembro de várias ocasiões em que estivemos ali e todas essas lembranças se misturam em minha mente, de modo que parecem ter sido todas em um dia só. Lembro do dia em que estávamos, eu, meus pais e meu irmão Renato. Naquele dia nós dois brincamos muito, até eu ficar exausto, eu ri e me diverti muito, a gente brincava de "lutinha", era muito bom cair na água. Talvez tenha sido naquele dia que vi um peixinho amarelo, azul e preto, que parecia ter saído de um aquário. Talvez também, seja o dia em que reparei o avanço da maré com o passar das horas. Eu brinquei tanto naquele dia, que acho que foi difícil para subir a encosta para voltar. Meu sonho de 31 de outubro de 2016, me lembrou de como esse dia foi feliz, no sonho estivemos juntos ali, mais uma vez, resgatando o irresgatável. Hoje não sei distinguir muito bem o que foi sonho e o que foi realidade, de tão feliz que fui. Foi uma felicidade tão grande que quando lembro me sinto terrivelmente infeliz. Foi uma felicidade tão grande que nem sei se foi real. Sinto um vazio muito grande ecoando dentro de mim, quase consigo ouvir o que diz. Sinto um desejo muito grande de viver, um desejo muito grande de ser feliz. Sinto que meu coração está ressecado, frágil feito folha seca. Eu me sinto muito sozinho e sei que não posso mudar isso, estou sozinho dentro de mim. Estou abandonado dentro de mim. Me sinto muito triste, como se houvesse perdido alguém, e talvez o tenha, perdido a si mesmo.

Nessa cena, Arren, estava sonhando. Esse filme e todos outros do Estúdio são sagrados para mim, tão importantes quanto todas as outras coisinhas que compõem meu altar. Esses filmes me levam de volta ao lugar de onde eu não gostaria de ter saído.

Contos de Terramar, Goro Miyazaki, 2006.

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american forenames, surnames and states + chinese cities + periodic table elements

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Pedigree of the Targaryens, part 8. Grandchildren of Daeron II.