#also void stiles but that’s neither here nor there…
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I’ve reached s3 of teen wolf and my main motivation for speeding through the first two seasons to get here has been stiles finally growing his hair out 🧘🏽♀️
#also void stiles but that’s neither here nor there…#I think if they’d let him grow his hair even longer shit would’ve been craaazzyyy#but then I remember that teen wolf is a product of it’s time#especially considering peter looked SO good in s1 and then they resurrected him and#gave him that fuckass haircut#the fact that his hair never goes back to s1 length until the teen wolf movie?!?)!?(?? i hate it here#teen wolf#stiles stilinski#when I originally quit watching teen wolf I quit after s3B so#I’m interested to see how the show continues after that#because yes I do plan on watching all 100 episodes of teen wolf this time around!!!!!#well actually let’s see if I succeed at that#just remembered that s4 and onwards they hire ig models as actors#and then derek leaves… yeah when Derek’s gone and then Stiles as well I might be out too#personal
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“Stop ignoring or sidelining Scott McCall when he is the true alpha and the main fucking character of Teen Wolf!”
LOL the fuck is Scott/Posey Stans’ problem https://scintalla.tumblr.com/post/650697822782586880/i-am-really-done-with-the-tw-fandom-i-mean-this
https://scintalla.tumblr.com/post/650260868277370880/scott-mccall-is-not-dumb
@scintalla:
I am really done with the TW fandom. I mean, this post isn’t about ALL fans of Teen Wolf but the majority have just ruined my experience in this fandom. Keep in mind that these are my opinions which I’m sharing and not a personal attack on anyone. So here’s why I’m fed up with both the fandom and even the show to an extent:
1) The hatred towards Scott McCall is just appalling. I genuinely can’t think of a reason why anyone would hate this precious ray of sunshine who is always trying to protect everyone. Like is a 16 year old and doesn’t know everything about being a werewolf the second he was bitten? *Lol, he’s so ‘dumb’.* Doesn’t immediately trust Derek because he has no reason to? *Poor Derek Scott is such a 'meanie’* Doesn’t abandon Allison the moment Derek tells him to because the latter is a stranger and Allison doesn’t even know about her family being hunters? *Everything is Scott’s 'fault’.* Makes a masterplan to defeat Gerard and save everyone? *Fandom shrugs and continues to make everything about Stiles* His ex girlfriend dies in his arms? *Fandom cries a tear and moves on to fawn on Void! Stiles* Saves everyone in the show, becomes the true alpha from the merit of his character *Fandom closes its eyes and fawns over one liners that Stiles threw* Literally dies and is attacked by his best friend for not saving his father when he was DEAD? *Poor Stiles, Scott is such a bad friend. Why can’t he just do everything according to how Stiles wants him to? Who cares that even Stiles himself trusted Theo and confided in him only about having to kill Donovan and never clarifies to Scott that he did it in self defense.* Like I can go on and on about how much of Scott’s trauma and pain are shrugged off because of fandom’s obsession with Stiles and even the show makes it appear as if it was Scott’s fault somehow that he died and couldn’t save Stiles’ father. I’m so tired. Tyler Posey was so good at playing Scott and his performance is ignored by 99.99% of the fandom.
2) KIRA YUKIMURA DESERVED BETTER! She was treated so badly by both the fandom AND the show! People were continually comparing her and Allison even though Allison was okay with Scott moving on and even teamed up with Kira in 'De- Void’ episode. And why can’t Scott move on? Allison wouldn’t have wanted Scott to mope over her forever. And Kira’s story and character development are thrown in trash and she isn’t even mentioned in season 6! Like, I’m not mad that she chose herself over Scott because it’s okay but they could have spent AT LEAST five minutes to talk about Kira and where she was and how she was doing. And the fandom’s unwarranted dislike of her even though the show had made it clear that she isn’t Allison’s 'replacement’ or whatever reasons people use to justify their hatred of her. Like she is a sweetheart, her relationship with Scott was cute and healthy and she doesn’t deserve any hate thrown towards her. Arden Cho portrayed her so well and I hate that she was treated like this by both fandom and writers of the show.
3) Malia Tate is treated so badly by the fandom that even I was surprised by the venom hurled towards her. Malia spent eight years as a coyote, so obviously she doesn’t know how to handle complex human emotions that even teenagers struggle with. And she does better than expected . She is not an 'unsupportive’, 'abusive’ girlfriend that toxic Stydia (i.e. not ALL stydia shippers, only the toxic ones) shippers make her out to be. She even figured out that Stiles had killed Donovan in self defense and said she didn’t judge him for it. And what did she get in return? She was ditched by her boyfriend for her efforts. And no, it’s not toxic that she was jealous of Lydia and Stiles because she was just dumped and wasn’t given closure over it, so obviously she isn’t going to be okay that her boyfriend was moving on so quickly. Like it’s not ideal but it’s not the worst thing. And even if you don’t ship stalia, you have no reason to hate on her. Just ship your ship and leave others who don’t agree with your personal opinion alone.
I haven’t even scratched the tip of the iceberg but these were the only ones that came to my mind. The blatant sexism and racism from the fans really saddens me and I wouldn’t be so mad if actors like Tyler Posey, Arden Cho, Shelley Hennig etc.. weren’t hated on for doing their literal jobs. Like, I’m not telling you to hate Stiles or Derek (which is impossible as it is when it comes to TW fandom) or tell you to stop shipping Sterek and Stydia (There’s nothing wrong with the ships inherently but I wish its stans weren’t so hell bent on making everything in TW about their ship). Only that you stop hating poc, female characters for no valid reasons and stop excusing your white faves’ problematic actions because they cried about it once or whatever. Like no wonder why white men are able to get away with the worst shit while poc and women suffer for no fault of theirs and hated on for things they can’t control; like their race or gender.
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“I’M NOT TELLING YOU TO LIKE SCOTT AND HATE STILES AND DEREK” Antis screech at the top of their ragged lungs as they proceed to hate Stiles and Derek for daring to eclipse their whiny fav Scott from day one without even trying, throw a temper tantrum because everyone – including the whole Teen Wolf cast and their bitter flop fav Tyler Posey himself – prefers Stiles and Derek to Scott, and go out of their delusional way to twist and/or erase canon in order to blame Stiles and Derek for Scott’s own canonical toxic actions and behavior.
I also luv the way they try to paint Tyler Posey as a poor mistreated, sidelined, discriminated victim and pretend to give a shit about Arden Cho and Kira Yukimura as if Posey hasn’t been texting Jeff Davis begging his buddy to give him a job for the past five years and didn’t refer to Kira as “a good distraction for Scott”
@scintalla post is another proof that Scott Stans never watched an episode of the actual show:
“Scott makes a masterplan to defeat Gerard and saves everyone? Fandom shrugs and continues to make everything about Stiles”
Except that Scott didn’t save anyone in Master Plan – Stiles, Peter and Lydia did – and failed to kill Gerard. The only thing Scott achieved with his dumb excuse of a plan was prompting his buddy Gerard to order the Kanima to slaughter everyone in the warehouse, including Scott.
“His ex girlfriend dies in his arms? Fandom cries a tear and moves on to fawn over Void Stiles”
Did you notice how Scott/Posey Stans, just like Tyler Posey and Jeff Davis, try to make Allison’s heroic death all about Scott? Also: the Teen Wolf fandom can call the show writers out for shitting on Allison and making her heroic death all about her toxic ex boyfriend AND fawn over Stiles and Void Stiles at the same time. Just saying 😘
“Scott saves everyone in the show, becomes the true alpha from the merit of his character” Lmfao sure Jan! Like, everyone knows Jeff Davis came up with that true alpha nonsense last minute just to make his self insert Scott a little less irrelevant. But go off I guess
“Who cares that even Stiles himself trusted Theo and confided in Scott only about having to kill Donovan and never clarifies to Scott that he did it in self defense”
1) Stiles never trusted Theo. Theo himself had no problem admitting that Stiles was smart enough not to trust him. Unlike Scott, who fell for Theo’s cheap lies and got played by Theo like a cheap kazoo throughout Season 5 #Oops
2) Scott is neither Stiles’ dad, alpha, nor authority figure. Stiles is not obligated to share his traumas with a toxic friend if he doesn’t want to
3) Scott’s the one who yells “B-b-but it is not self defense anymore!” at Stiles in Lies of Omission
“I can go on and on about how much of Scott’s trauma and pain are shrugged off because of fandom’s obsession with Stiles… Tyler Posey was so good at playing Scott and his performance is ignored by 99.99% of the fandom”
If Scott/TP Stans are so butthurt that everyone is in love and obsessed with Stiles and Void Stiles instead of paying attention to superior true alpha Scott, then why don’t they take their jealousy and frustrations out on Posey? Tyler Posey is just as in love and obsessed with Dylan O’Brien, Stiles and Void Stiles as everyone else is (if not more.)
As for @scintalla & Scott McCall defense squad circle jerk whining and throwing a tantrum cause “Posey’s performance got ignored”, well… they should be fucking grateful everyone – including critics, fans, viewers, the whole Teen Wolf cast, and Posey himself – were too busy praising and gushing all over Star & Breakout Star of the show Dylan O’Brien’s phenomenal acting talent to pay attention to Tyler Posey’s cringe worthy attempts at acting
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She is dying either way Part 2
Teen Wolf
Characters: Stiles, Theo, Derek, Mellisa, Scott, Liam, Hayden, the Dread doctors, Kira, Allison
Pairing: Stiles Stelinski/ Theo Reaken X Reader Argent
Summary: Being Allisons big sister you swore to protect her. Always. After she died by the hands of an Oni you start blaming yourself for it. Separating yourself from the pack you throw yourself in fights you know you can’t handle. Becoming a stranger to your friends fighting the supernatural alone. A human against the creatures of the night.
One night you find yourself fighting for your life, ending up nearly killed and in a coma. Waking up left you with severe amnesia. Not even remembering your own name. The pack changes your last name so you can start over. Keeping their distance to protect you from a far. Theo take advantages of the situation and grows close to you. Betraying you, leaving you vulnerable.
Warnings: none so far. But it would be nice to know that the story isn’t at all accurate with the shows time line from season 3.
Word count: chapter word count: 3,992 total word count 10,370
read part 1: here
As the school year progressed, I was no longer the centre of attention, yet Stiles and his friends kept feeling weird when we were in the same room. And in a school that goes quickly if you have almost every lesson together.
As he was walking through the halls of Beacon Hills High, his eyes laid on my walking figure. Walking next to me was non-other than Theo Raeken, the boy who stuck around when everyone else was avoiding me. ''I can't stand the sight of these two together.'' said Stiles trough gritted teeth. ''It's for the best and you know it.'' Scott, one of Stiles friends, said gloomily.
Stiles head fell and he sighed. ''I know, but it still hurts. It should have been my hand she is holding, I should've been the one to make her laugh, I should've been the one where Theo now stands.'' The both of them stood still and looked where Theo and I were standing, one leaning against the lockers while the other grabbed their books.
Scott laid a reassuring hand on his friends shoulder. ''Maybe one day you can be.'' his words weren't all that reassuring as his gesture. ''It just kills me, knowing I can't be around her when she needs me.'' even for them it hasn't been simple the last couple of months. Making a decision like that could not have been easy.
Knowing what had really happened that night of my so-called accident was their burden to carry, something they had to try to live with.
Walking hand in hand we made our way towards the library to study. Having a free period in the middle of the day sucked. We couldn't leave and skipping school wasn't an option for me. ''Are you sure you don't want to get out of here?'' Theo asked teasingly, knowing very well I can't. ''I am sure.'' I said as I closed my book and placed it in front of me on the table. ''But we do can take a break.'' we had been studying for a while now. My legs felt num from sitting al day. ''What do you have in mind, darling.'' he let the last word roll over his tongue and looked at me whit lust full eyes.
Since a couple of weeks ago he started to call me darling every so often and it made my heart skip a beat of two. A pit formed in my stomach and lost my ability to speak. ''Well spill it, miss rebel.'' Whit a chuckle he looked at me. ''Let's go for a walk.'' packing my stuff I looked over to Theo who looked at me dumbfounded. ''Well, you coming or not.'' I threw my backpack over my shoulder and made my way towards the exit.
In a hurry Theo shoved everything in his own backpack and hurried after me. ''Show me the way.'' He said as he caught up with me. It was a five-minute walk to the woods behind the school. ''Should I be worried that you bring me to the woods?'' I laughed at his remark. ''Maybe you should.'' I winked at him.
His fingers found mine and intertwined. ''I just needed to get out, clear my mind.'' We stroll through the forest at a slow pace. ''Still a lot on your mind?'' Theo asked worried. ''Its just that I experience these vivid memories, but they are just outside of reach. A clouded image in the far back of my mind.'' it felt like I was starting to remember things and people from before my accident. Trying to fill a void whit information I don't have.
We found a bench along the forest path. It was a perfect spot to sit and talk. ''It's like a deja fu, but the moment it pops up in my head it's gone to.'' I scooted closer to his side and rested my head on his shoulder.
I felt his arm reach around me and placed on my shoulder. ''You know I am here for you, I always will.'' I looked up to look him in the eyes. ''I know, and I am ever thankful for that.'' He planted a soft kiss on my forehead.
If I hadn't met Theo I don't know what my life would look like today. He made me forget about my accident, he made me forget about trying to remember who I used to be.
Time flew by if I was with him. We finished our walk and ended back up by the school. ''I will see you after class.'' Theo said and kissed my cheek before walking off. Frozen in place I touched my cheek. This was new, I didn't mind, but it was new. Maybe he liked me in the same way I had liked him for weeks now.
The bell had rung, and I was late for my class, I sprinted to the right classroom and sneaked in. ''Miss Woodlend, you are late.'' The coach, Bobby Finstock, is also our economics teachers, the very subject I am too late for. Midway I stood still and looked at the coach. ''I am, coach, and I am sorry.'' there was no reason to deny. ''Don't let this happen again or it will be detention.'' basically he let me off with a warning. Hastily I searched for my seat.
I sat two rows in front of Stiles and Scott who were whispering like school girls. ''I'm telling you there is something weird going on.'' Stiles whispered to Scott. ''These men in masks. Teenagers with silvery blood. They have be connected.'' Continued Stiles.
They tried so hard to conceal their whispers but with no luck. ''I thought that after Alison, we would have a break from the supernatural.'' Scott mentioned.
That name, Alison, why did it sounded so familiar. It was almost if I could hear her. Which was weird because I didn't know what her voice sounded like, or who she even was.
I tried to ignore their whispers, and follow the lesson. So lost in thought I wandered trough the halls looking for Theo. My thoughts kept going back to that name, Alison. I didn't notice Theo sneaking up from behind. As he reached for my hand I tackled him out of instinct, something I didn't know I could. ''Oh my god. Theo, I am so sorry.'' I helped him get back up. Shocked he looked at me. ''I didn't know you could do that.'' he awkwardly chuckled. ''Neither did I.''
I told Theo about what I heard Stiles say, I did let out a few things, so I didn't sound all to crazy. ''I need to find out who she was or is.'' He couldn't comprehend. ''Why?'' he asked. ''Because I think I knew her.'' It sounded crazy but I needed to know. ''But what makes you think she was a student here?'' what he just told me got me thinking. ''You are right, maybe she was from out of town, I'm over reacting.'' A wave of disappointment washed over me. Not of what Theo told me but because I was getting obsessive again.
One more class and we were done for the day, PE. We headed to the locker rooms to get changed. Every one who was on the lacrosse team had training and everyone else had to do laps around the field.
Minding my own business, I got changed and walked out to the field. The guys from the lacrosse team where are ready on the field, playing a match. Theo wasn't on the team, so he had to run laps too. ''Woodlend, why aren't you running?'' The coach yelled. He startled me and I didn't know how to respond other than by running.
At a slow pace I jogged my first lap, not wanting to drain my energy. I shot everyone and everything out and let my legs lead me over the grass. Passing by fellow students once, then for a second time. I wasn't necessary faster than them I lasted longer. It surprised me that I could run almost a marathon so short after my release from the hospital.
Lost in thoughts I ignored my pains and kept running until my sight went blurry. Realizing what was happening I stopped, my breathing was uneven and heavy. Leaning against a tree I tried to even my breaths, closing my eyes I counted the pauses between my breaths.
I knew what to do in a situation like this, I had this before. But I don't think I was running for fun then, I think I was running for my life.
To prevent from panic filling my body, I sat down at the ground. Starting to remember things from my past didn't help at all with my current situation. Failing in keeping myself calm I ended up in a panic attack.
Someone came to a hold in front of me and tried to talk me out of it but without use. I could neither see them nor hear them. All I could feel were two hands cupping my face and a pair of lips pressed to mine.
A warmth washed over me that flooded away the darkness that was surrounding me. Feeling the person pull away I opened my recently closed eyes and looked into the ones of Theo. ''I needed to make you think of something else other than your panic attack, so I kissed you.'' he said carefully. All I could do was smile. ''I need you in my life more than I like to admit.'' I said whit out thinking.
It shocked him. Never had he thought that I would think about him in such way. When he didn't react I started to regret what I just had said. ''I shouldn't have said that. I'm sorry.'' Quickly I got up to finish my laps. Theo stood up just as fast, if not faster. ''I am glad you said that.'' He walked towards me and hold my hand. ''Because I need you too in mine.'' and with that he kissed me again and that was the start of something new.
As we kissed, we didn't know people were looking. Stiles looked at us from the lacrosse field, out of anger he threw his lacrosse stick on the ground and grunted. His helmet and gloves soon followed his stick on the ground. Ignoring the shouting of the coach he walked towards the locker rooms. ''Stilinski! Where do you think you are going!'' The coach screamed as loud as he could and his vein on his forehead nearly popped from anger.
Scott followed his gaze and didn't understand what was going on. ''I will talk to him, coach.'' he said as he walked after Stiles. ''What was that out there?'' he faced an angry Stiles. ''You obviously didn't see, didn't you.'' It took him everything in him not to scream. ''No.'' Scott said curtly. ''You don't know how angry it makes me, to see MY girlfriend kissing that traitor.'' Stiles was nearly if not already in tears. ''What?'' Scott did indeed not understand. ''I saw Y/N kiss Theo, the very person we I suspect of being the cause of whatever is going on around here.'' Lost of words Scott looked at his best friend.
It was only Stiles that didn't trust Theo, and not only because he just kissed his girl friend but also because he thinks that that is not the real Theo. Scott on the other hand, didn't have a problem with him. He was just like him, a werewolf, only he was looking for a pack.
The last couple of weeks Theo did help Scott and his pack to figure out what was going on in the town of Beacon Hills. There were these creatures that called themselves the Dread doctors. What they wanted was jet a mystery.
Everyone tried to play it cool and pretend they didn't know me that well when Theo was around. Theo didn't need to know what had happened to me.
In the last few months there was a tension in the air, so thick you could almost see it. Teenagers were missing, others were found dead. Police said they were a victim of an animal attack.
Also in the last months my nightmares came back. Only this time I remembered everything. Shadowy figures with Japanese masks, people with fangs and claws and a girl. She was the only thing I could not remember.
The dreams scared me because sometimes didn't seem like dreams but reality. Walking trough school I looked for Theo, normally he would wait by my locker but the only who was waiting for me was Stiles. ''Move.'' I scoffed at him. ''Please, listen.'' He begged me. With a sigh I looked at him. ''You have one minute.'' I looked at him annoyed.
Why out all of a sudden wanted he to talk to me. ''Stay away from Theo, he is not who he says he is.'' Anger filled my veins. ''Excuse you?'' I blurred out. ''Y/N. Please, trust me.'' trust him, after what he just said. ''I don't have to trust you at all. Theo is by far the best thing that has ever happened to me and why do you all of a sudden care about my well-being.'' my words hurt him, he didn't blame me though, because I didn't remember us.
With hurt filled eyes he left. Waiting for a little longer I searched for Theo, but little did I knew why he wasn't here. Theo was with the very same men that haunted the town these days.
Not wanting to get late to class, so I left. On my way I texted him with where he was. For hours, I didn't get a response, it annoyed me but I wasn't worried. At lunch, I did get a text back. ''Sorry, car trouble be there to pick you up though.'' Ending with a kiss emoji.
Without my best friend around the day went by so slowly. After school, I waited in the library for Theo to show up. While I waited I received another text from him that he would be running late. I could have left but I decided to stay and wait, after all I had a lot of homework to do.
School ended at four thirty and Theo texted that he was here at six. I didn't realize it was already so late. Packing my stuff in the deserted library I felt like I was being watched. Trying to keep my calm I finished packing and got out of there.
Making my way towards the exit I heard this mechanical noise. Clicking and clanging of metal gears releasing gas. Walking faster and gripping my backpack I made it to the exit of the library.
Outside there were three people standing, they look like they came from a carnival. I stood still and looked at them not knowing what to do. They didn't spoke a word. Trying to back away from them I waddled aside.
With every step I took backwards they stepped closer. The moment I realized I was cornered, I made a run for it. Trying to reach for the school. Once inside I took out my phone and called Theo. ''Pick up, pick up!'' It looked like for ever for him to pick up. ''I know, I am late and you have all the right to be,'' Finally he had picked up but I didn't let him finish. ''Please hurry, I am scared, there are these three people. I don't know what they want.'' Looking for a hiding spot I tried to keep as quite as I possible could.
He knew immediately who I was talking about. ''Hide, I am five minutes away.'' Fear was present in his voice. I did what he told me and hide.
Out of all the places I could hide I choose the locker rooms. Carefully I placed my bag in one of the lockers and kept only my phone in hand. I could hear them closing in on me, but they were not the only one. I could hear another pair of footsteps.
Shadows were walking by the door. Holding my breath, hoping they would pass. My hands were trembling with fear. I felt my phone buzz in my hands. I looked at it and saw a text from Theo. ''I'm here, at the parking lot.'' I could make it. I bet I knew the school better than them. Typing back to him was difficult, so I spoke one in. ''I am coming to you.'' My voice was shaky and barely a whisper.
Opening the door, so I could peek into the hall. There was no one to be seen, so I made a run for it. As I was running trough the halls I heard a fight further down. The same path I needed to take.
Going against my better judgment, I ran along and saw a girl, my age, fighting one of the men. Once I got a better look at her I realised I knew her, we had some classes together. I believed her name was Kira. She was handling a katana like it was a part of her.
There was no way I could pass them. For a brief second she was distracted by my appearance. ''Get out of here now!'' she yelled at me, but got hit in the process. She flew backwards and her katana fell to the ground.
The masked man kicked the sword away and it glided over the ground. It ended up by the lockers just outside my reach. He grabbed her by the neck and held her up. Before I knew what I was doing I picked up the sword and walked closer to them, ready to fight.
I lashed out to him and hit his arm. He let go of Kira, who fell to the ground with a loud thud. I kicked him so hard he trembled backwards. It left a gap between him and us, so I could stand in front of Kira.
The man was recovered and fought back. Fighting with a sword felt like second nature, I knew how to hold it, how to lash out and how to protect myself from harms way. ''Remarkable.'' said the man in a static voice.
In the fight I had lost my phone. Theo had called for the hundredth time but without answer. At this very moment he was making his way into the school looking for me. ''Y/N!'' I heard him call. ''Theo!'' I called back as I duck from a counter attack.
Theo came running around the counter and saw me fighting. ''Not her!'' He yelled and lashed out with what looked like claws. His eyes looked like they were glowing a bright yellow.
I hurt Kira standing up. ''Where did you learn to fight like that?'' I gave her back her sword. ''I don't know. But it explains some scars.'' I joked and she let out a painful laugh too.
As Theo was fighting, Kira grabbed my arm en pulled me away. ''We need to go.'' Together we run towards the parking lot. ''What about Theo?'' I asked once we were outside. ''He can take care of himself, trust me.'' I looked at the school, hoping he would walk out any minute now.
Inside Theo was still fighting. ''Like you said, her condition is perfect.'' the masked man said. ''You can take anyone but her.'' his plans had changed, at first he wanted to give me up, but he cares too much now. ''But you said,'' Theo didn't let him finish. ''I know what I said, but you can't have her!'' what he never expected, was falling in love.
Apparently the man had enough of Theo and disappear into thin air. Left alone in the hall Theo took a second to breath and then ran outside. Kira had led me to a blue pick-up truck that looked like it had his best years. ''We can bring you home.'' Kira said opening the door. ''We?'' I asked. Looking into the car I saw Scott and Stiles. ''Oh hell no.'' I said backing away from the car.
Both Scott and Stiles stepped out of the truck. Kira walked closer to me after signing to the boys to stay put. ''Please, we need to get out of here, those men could come back any minute.'' she tried to persuade me, but without success. ''I am not leaving Theo even tough he scared the living shit out of me back there.'' thinking back to his appearance.
After hearing that Stiles jumped out the car fully. ''What did he do?'' he sounded concerned. ''None of your business.'' I scoffed at him. ''It is. But you don't,'' I cut him of. ''But I don't what? Remember?!'' I had it with this amnesia. ''Yes.'' He said softly. I shook my head and walked back to the school.
Half-way trough the parking lot I saw Theo exit the school. Once he led eyes on me he started sprinting to me. Hugging me so tight I couldn't breathe. Reality hit me and pulled away from him. ''What was that in there?!'' I half shouted, attracting the others' attention. ''You had claws,'' I held up is hands to see them. ''fangs and glowing eyes.'' I was shaking with adrenaline and fear.
He looked over my shoulder to look at Scott who was shaking his head. ''I don't want to lie or hide anything from you any more.'' Confused was written all over my face. ''Then don't.'' Taking a deep breath he searched for the right words. ''I am a werewolf.''
My mind couldn't process, obvious it was a lie because werewolves didn't excist and yet I wanted to believe him. ''Don't lie to me, tell me the truth Theo.'' I needed him to tell me he wasn't lying. ''I am not lying.'' I was looking for the truth in his eyes and that is what I found.
His eyes glowed the same yellow as it did inside the school. His whole face changed, he grew fangs, claws and more facial hair. ''Please don't be afraid or angry.'' Turning back to normal I still looked at him, not knowing how to feel.
With my hands in my hair I turned around, looked at the others saw a very angry Scott and then back at Theo. ''Theo why did you tell her!'' Scott sounded angry. ''Because I am done lying to her.'' All he wanted to do was protect me from the same men he agreed to lead me to them.
There were so many things I didn't know about and neither did Scott. ''He is the only one honest towards me, you all choose to ignore me or make me feel worse. We are going.'' I took Theo's hand and walked to his car. ''We do need to talk though.'' I said once we were in the car. ''Of course.'' He gave me a warm smile.
We had our issues to talk out. But that didn't make me like him less. The tension between Theo and Scott and his friends was thick. Even they had to put their difference aside to work together and being honest. The only reason why they would do that was because my life depended on it.
One night, a couple of days after the school incident, they came to my house. The masked men took me from my home and brought me to their lair. The moment of the abduction happened so fast.
One moment I was sleeping and the next I was awoken by the same mechanical noise. Opening my eyes I saw them hovering over my bed, they all placed a hand on me and started to pulse. My body felt weird and a second later I wasn't lying in my bed any more but on an old and dirty operation table.
Read part 3: Here
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Save You Again - Stiles Stilinski Imagine (Teen Wolf)
Prompt:An imagine where Void Stiles came back and the reader is the first one to see him
A/N: kind of felt inspired by the Stydia kiss scene in Season 3 for this one. Hope you enjoy!
Pairing: Stiles x Reader
Ever since Stiles had been possessed by the Nogitsune something had changed about him. He wasn't the goofy, sarcastic and hyperactive kid (Y/N) fell in love with back in fifth grade. He was rather thoughtful now and shut himself away from everyone and everything around him. Not only (Y/N) was worried about him, the whole pack was. Scott tried to talk to him many times, but Stiles always pushed him away. The truth was that he wanted to talk to them, he really did. But he didn't want to bother his friends, especially not when everyone was so busy about fighting the Dread Doctors, a new threat that was causing trouble in Beacon Hills.
The Dread Doctors were a big problem and Stiles knew that, but still he didn't bother too much about them because he was more worried about the new kid in town – Theo Raeken. Stiles had always hated Theo. Theo, Stiles and Scott had went to primary school together and as long as Stiles could remember, Theo had always caused any kind of trouble.
Stiles had always been suspicious about him but neither his dad nor his pack believed him. They all trusted him, even his best friends Scott and (Y/N) did. Of course Stiles was frustrated, he knew that there was something off about him. Why else would he suddenly come back to Beacon Hills after so many years? Definitely not for Scott or him, like Theo had told him. Stiles had tried everything to convince his friends that Theo was evil, but no one believed him. Little did any of his friends know, how right Stiles was.
It was the night of the supermoon. After Theo had managed to not only break the pack but also Scott and Stiles apart, his plans finally seemed to work out. Stiles, who had to kill Donovan out of self-defense, after being attacked in school a few days back, was feeling the anger inside of him again. After his huge argument with Scott yesterday, Stiles knew he had to talk to Theo. He wanted to know which lie he had told him this time.
Everything was falling apart at the moment and (Y/N), who was aware of the situation, couldn't do anything to help her friends. She was just a human and not capable of doing the things most of her friends could. But she for sure knew that she had to be there for Stiles now. Maybe she was wrong about Theo and maybe Stiles was right about him.
Of course she wanted to believe him. He was her best friend and her secret crush for so many years and Stiles probably had a reason to dislike Theo. (Y/N) was nervously pacing back and forth around her room, waiting for any of her friends to call her since the supermoon was very dangerous and effective to supernatural creatures. She could at least call Melissa in case something happened and she could also defend herself with Stiles bat just like he had taught her. Sure, it wasn't as helpful as werewolf claws or fangs, but at least it was somehow useful. (Y/N) had almost lost hope of hearing something from her friends tonight, when suddenly she felt her phone buzzing.
''Scott are you guys alright? Should I call Melissa or should I just come over with the bat?'' She asked worriedly but with a sound of relief in her voice.
''(Y/N), it's me Melissa. I called you since you're Stiles best friend too,'' Melissa exhaled before she started talking again. ''You need to go over to his apartment and look after him, since I finally managed to sent him home a while ago. He spent the last few hours in the hospital after Theo attacked his dad and he probably would have stayed the whole night if I hadn't send him home. Noah lost a lot of blood and I'm not sure if he's going to make it, (Y/N). I know he and Scott are in a kind of crisis right now, so I thought I'd call you. Stiles shouldn't be alone, tonight.'' (Y/N) hang up without saying a word and immediately hopped in her car to drive over to Stiles. He was right. He was goddamn right and I didn't believe him, (Y/N) thought, feeling guilt rising up inside of her.
As (Y/N) made it to his apartment, she dragged the car into a parking spot and knocked on his front door.
''Stiles?'' She called desperately while still knocking on the door. ''Stiles, open up. It's me (Y/N).''
After that she heard someone at the door, opening it slowly. A very tired looking Stiles with swollen eyes stood infront of her. (Y/N) embraced him in a long and comforting hug.
''I'm so sorry,'' She mouthed. ''I should have believed you, Stiles. I should have believed you from the beginning.'' She pulled away from him and put her hands on his shoulders, looking at him with an apologetic glance.
Stiles just nodded quietly and closed the door after (Y/N) had entered his corridor. ''Melissa called you?'' He asked, breaking the silence. (Y/N) nodded. ''She told me about your dad.'' Stiles sighed loudly and turned away from her, giving her his back.''He's not gonna make it, right?'' He asked, his voice sounding weak.
(Y/N) walked towards him and stood behind Stiles now. She put her hands on his hips, slowly turning him around while her hands still rested on them. Stiles looked at her, his eyes blank and full of sadness.
''I can't loose both of my parents (Y/N),'' Stiles whispered. ''Not both of them.'' He leaned in and rested his head on her shoulder. (Y/N) ran a hand through his brown hair, while the other one still rested on his hip.
''It's gonna be okay, Stiles. He's gonna be okay.'' She knew what Melissa had told her and she would usually never be dishonest with her best friend, but right now, not telling him the truth was the right thing to do. Hope would at least save him from even more pain and heartbreak.
(Y/N) had somehow managed to calm him down. ''Do you want to talk about it?'' She asked with a soft voice. Stiles looked up and starred right into her eyes. ''About what happened?'' She nodded. ''You don't have to if you're not ready yet. I just thought that it might help you,'' She formed a short smile with her lips. ''Yeah, maybe.'' Stiles mumbled, thinking back at what had happened.
Flashback:
Stiles was waiting at the parking lot after he had finally reached Theo. He knew he had to talk to him, he needed to know the truth. Theo arrived a second later, looking rather pissed and angry. ''Here,'' Theo said, throwing Stiles library card at him. ''Your dad knows,Stiles. He knows everything.''
Theo approached Stiles and walked around him, his glance focused on the brown haired boy. ''If Melissa hadn't found it, he would still think that I killed Donovan,'' Theo said. ''You know, I took care of everything. I even covered for you, Stiles. But now, now it's too late.''
Stiles head shot up immediately. ''What do you mean it's too late?'' Stiles asked. ''Your dad,'' Theo responded, an evil grin on his face. ''He promised not to help Scott, but he lied to me. Do you want to know where he is?'' Stiles hands curled into fists, his knuckles turning white. ''Did you hurt him?'' Stiles asked with an anger in his voice, but Theo didn't reply. ''Stiles getting angry!'' Theo stood in front of Stiles now, the evil grin was still on his face. ''You know, I never lied about why I came back to this town. I did come back for a pack, Stiles. I came for the Werecoyote. I came for the banshee. The dark Kitsune. The beta with anger issues, I came for void Stiles.That's the pack I want. But unfortunately, it doesn't include Scott.''
Stiles suddenly felt the tension rising up, the anger taking over his whole body. He punched Theo in the face, making him fall onto the ground. A few seconds later Theo was back on his feet again, his hand on the place where Stiles fist had hit him. Theo was laughing bitterly.
''Yes Stiles! That's the Stiles I want. There he is, there is void Stiles.'' Theo was still laughing and Stiles was still angry. It happened again; his hand had landed on his face once more.
''It felt good, didn't it?'' Theo asked, while getting up once again. Stiles didn't say anything, he was just glaring back at him. ''Where is my dad?'' He asked furiously. After that Theo had told him the place where his father was and Stiles left without another word. He drove to the named location and that's where he found his unconscious father on the ground, his body full of blood.
End of Flashback.
Suddenly, everything around Stiles became blurry and loud voices started echoing through his head. He covered his ears with both of his hands and put his head down, his eyes closed. His chest felt tight, his throat was dry and he found it harder to breathe, almost as if the air was pressed out of his lungs, out of his whole body.
''Stiles, are you okay?'' (Y/N) asked, stepping closer to him. Stiles turned away from her again. ''Don't!'' He yelled and (Y/N) froze in place. Stiles felt anger rising up in his body and he knew what was coming, but he didn't know how to stop it, how to control it.
''Stay away from me (Y/N),'' Stiles demanded.
''Why? I don't understand, Stiles.'' She responded, her heart aching from the way he was suddenly treating her.
''Please (Y/N), I don't want to hurt you.'' Stiles mumbled.
''What are you talking about?'' She asked confused. She stepped closer to him again. ''You need to stay away from me (Y/N). Please, just trust me.'' Stiles begged.
''No I'm not going anywhere, Stiles.'' She put both of her hands on his shoulders, slowly turning him around. Stiles sighed and opened his eyes, starring right back into hers.
''This is why I wanted you to leave,'' Stiles mumbled. ''He's back, (Y/N). The Nogitsune is back.''
(Y/N) shook her head in disbelief, her eyes widened by the sight of his pale face. Stiles had dark, purple shades under his eyes, that made him look like he never had any sleep, just like void Stiles. That void Stiles she and her friends had eliminated just a while ago. She couldn't believe it; Her best friend was possessed by the evil spirit again, the spirit that was meant to be gone. The spirit that was meant to never come back ever again.
''Stiles, that.. that is impossible,'' She stated, her voice shaking. ''We eliminated him, remember? How, how can he be back?'' She asked still shocked.
''I guess he was never really gone,'' Stiles whispered. ''Maybe Theo was right and I'm meant to be void (Y/N), maybe I'm meant to be evil.''
He reached for her hands that still rested on his shoulders and put them down, intertwining them with his.
''Right now I just look like void Stiles, but I don't know when he will come back and take control over me. That's why you have to leave, (Y/N). You know what the Nogitsune is capable of and I don't want him to hurt you, I don't want to hurt you.'' Stiles said, his gaze focusing on her.
''Stiles, I know you would never hurt someone intentionally. You are my best friend and one of the best people I have ever met. You saved Beacon Hills so many times without having supernatural powers. You are a hero, okay? So don't you dare ever say again that Theo is right and that you're meant to be evil, cause you're not.'' (Y/N) exclaimed, but Stiles shook his head and pulled away from her.
''Don't say that, I'm not a hero.'' Stiles mumbled. He rubbed his neck and paced hectically around the room. ''I killed Donovan,'' Stiles confessed. ''I killed him. It wasn't the Nogitsune, it was just me. I killed him.'' Stiles looked back at her.
''I don't think you would have done it if there had been another way. There must have been a reason you killed him.'' She responded with a confident tone in her voice.
''What about Allison then? She died because of me,'' Stiles said quietly. ''She was my friend, (Y/N). One of the rare people who really accepted me for who I am. She was such a blessing to the pack and she was the first girl Scott ever loved, ever cared about. And she died, trying to save me. So how am I supposed to forgive myself for what I have done?'' Stiles asked, his voice sounding as if he was crying.
''So many people left because of me,'' He slid down the wall next to him and leaned his head against it, hugging his knees tightly. ''Chris,Isaac, Derek, heck even Scott hates me. You shouldn't be here, (Y/N). I'm a monster capable of doing horrible things.'' Stiles whispered.
(Y/N) sat down next to him and put her hand on his knee, drawing small circles with her thumb on it, which always calmed him down. She looked at him. ''Stiles, you don't really think that about yourself, do you?'' She asked softly.
Stiles nodded. ''I do,'' He responded.
(Y/N) sighed. ''You should stop thinking about the people who left, about the people we lost. Instead you should start thinking about the ones we saved, the ones who are still alive. Alive because of you,'' She smiled and squeezed his knee lightly. ''I know that if the Nogitsune is really back, we're gonna find a way to beat him again.''
Stiles looked back at her. ''Why are you so sure about that?'' He asked.
''Because I know that Scott is gonna do everything to save his best friend, once again, Stiles.'' She explained. ''Scott is not-'' She interrupted him before he could finish his sentence. ''Because I'll do everything, to save you.'' She said, her hand still resting on his knee.
Stiles nodded, his gaze still focused on her. ''Do you trust me?'' He asked suddenly, his voice sounding rather serious now.
(Y/N) nodded. ''Of course I do,'' She responded a smile appearing on her face.
''Good,'' Stiles said. ''So you're not scared of me?'' He asked her again.
''Why should I? You're my best friend, Stiles. I know you would never hurt me.''
She reassured him, locking her eyes with his.
''I wouldn't be so sure about that,'' He replied. ''What do you mea-'' But before (Y/N) could finish her sentence, Stiles had grabbed her by her collar, throwing her towards the bookshelf on the other side of the room. Her body collided with it, instantly breaking the shelf and making the books fall to the ground. She closed her eyes tight and winced in pain.
''Still trust me?'' Stiles asked, an evil smirk on his face. ''Y-Yeah,'' She responded.
''I'm not scared of you,'' She knew she was talking to the Nogitsune now. ''Oh sweet,'' void Stiles said. ''Do you think just because you're Stiles best friend, I'm not going to kill you?'' He asked, but she ignored it.
(Y/N) had managed to get back on her feet again. She approached him slowly. ''Stiles, I know you're somewhere in there. Please come back, it's me,'' She mumbled, locking her eyes with his.
''(Y/N)?'' He asked, sounding like the real Stiles.
She nodded. ''Yeah, it's me.'' She put her hands on his shoulders and smiled.
Stiles laughed. ''You should really learn not to trust a fox, sweetheart,'' the Nogitsune mouthed. Before she could react to that, he had grabbed her by the neck, pushing her all the way back until her back was against a wall again. He tightened his grip and breathed into her neck. ''Cause they're trickster, you know.'' He laughed scoffingly while dragging her up and making her feet dangle. ''What should I do with you, love?'' He asked a smirk on his face.
(Y/N) felt her heart beating out of her chest, her body shivering. She was scared. Not because the Nogitsune was back, but because of Stiles. What if he would never come back again? What if they couldn't beat void Stiles this time? She had a feeling that the Nogitsune was even stronger now, more powerful and even more vengeful. She felt her eyes filling up with tears, but she tried to hold them back. What was she supposed to do though? The boy she loved was trying to kill her and there was nothing she could do about it, because she wasn't strong enough. Because she wasn't like her friends.
''You're scared arent you?'' He asked, his face inches apart from hers. Suddenly she remembered something Lydia had once told her and before she could even think about it any longer, she had pressed her lips to his. After a few seconds had passed she pulled away from him and opened her eyes. Stiles, who looked like his old-self again, stared at her with wide eyes.
''How did you do that?'' He asked with a sound in his voice that was a mix between awe and shock.
''Lydia once told me that she kissed Jackson when he was about to lose control over his werewolf-self and that he shifted back immediately once her lips touched his and I thought maybe it would work with you too,'' She explained, looking at him.
''That's really smart,'' He said, still shocked about what had just happened.
(Y/N) felt the heat rise to her cheeks. ''I'm glad you're back,'' She said, giving him a smile.
Stiles nodded and pulled her in a long and warm hug. ''I'm so sorry,'' He whispered into her ear. ''I almost killed you, (Y/N).'' He looked over her shoulder to the broken bookshelf and the books that were spread across the room, hating what he had done.
''It's alright, Stiles. I'm fine and still alive, so don't bother about it, okay?'' She said, stroking his hair softly. Stiles had broke the hug and stepped away from her as far as he could. ''No it's not okay, (Y/N).'' He said, looking ashamed at the ground.
''I can never forgive myself for doing that to you. You should stay away from me.'' He whispered, still looking away.
(Y/N) took a few steps towards him. ''I told you already, that I'm not going anywhere, Stiles. At least not when you're not with me.'' She smiled at him, even though he couldn't see her.
''Stiles, look at me please.'' She placed her hand on his arm and he finally turned around to face her.
''Why would you want to be with me?'' He questioned.
''Because I love you, Stiles. I've always been in love with you,'' (Y/N) confessed. She bit her lower lip, something she always did when she was nervous.
Stiles put his hands on her face, pulling her closer to him and crashing his lips to hers. (Y/N) immediately kissed him back and wrapped her arms around his neck, playing with his hair.
''I love you too,'' Stiles whispered after pulling away from her, a smile on his face. ''But I'm still possessed, (Y/N). And as long as he's there, you shouldn't be with me.'' He said, brushing a string of hair out of her face.
(Y/N) shook her head. ''We are gonna find a way to beat him again, okay? We did it once already and we'll do it again. We're a good team, Stiles. Me, you and the pack. We will handle it, together.'' She reassured him.
Stiles sighed. ''I'm not sure if we still have a pack,'' He mumbled.
''I'm gonna talk to the others. We are going to save you again, Stiles.'' She said smiling.
Stiles pecked her lips softly. ''I love you (Y/N).'' He said, resting his forehead against hers. ''And I love you, Stiles.'' She responded, pulling him in for another hug.
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Hey @halekingsourwolf, inspired by the discussion happening in your askbox, here’s my best recreation of the crazy crap that is Teen wolf timeline, esp re: events of Visionary, the Overlooked, and Alpha Pack. This got out of hand... but it’s kind of turned into my own personal headcanon/backstory for the series/manifesto. XD
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So in Visionary, after Deuc is ambushed and blinded by Gerard (who kills both all of his own hunters and all of Deuc’s pack who were with him), he is taken to the vet clinic. Deaton treats him. His last scene in that ep is Deaton unwrapping his eyes, telling him he’s blind. Deuc yells for everyone to leave him alone, gets them out of the room. One of his remaining betas stays. The man attacks him, and Deuc kills him, realising he can see with Alpha eyes. So whether he kills all his betas on Hale land, we don’t know, but probs not. But he does kill the first one and, it’s implied, is inspired to kill the rest.
(My interpretation/headcanon is that it was initially self defense, his beta wanted the alpha power, and then maybe paranoia… I had a deaf dalmatian who was extremely aggressive and dominant, towards all other dogs. She always went for blood immediately, sometimes even if they were behaving what we thought was submissively. We believed it was a preemptive defensive thing, compensating for her hearing/the fact she was so easy to sneak up on. So Deuc maybe started like that, and then got to liking/having plans for that power.)
310/The Overlooked: Jennifer canonically says, referencing the day Kali attacked her/was killing her/their pack, that the Nemeton’s power had been gone for years “But a few months earlier, something happened… Something that gave it a spark… The sacrifice of a virgin.”
So “canonically” (for what that’s worth), it was, indeed, just a few months between the pack peace meeting/Deuc’s blinding/paige’s death and Kali killing her pack/Jennifer being attacked.
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So my headcanon/interpretation:
Kali, Ennis, and Deuc all had packs near-ish Beacon Hills (how large are territories? Calif is big… “near” could be hundreds of miles or ten). The distillery where Derek/paige make out/the ambush happens is “just outside beacon hills” according to Peter and is canonically the same one where hunters execute the Beta of Ennis’ who killed someone, thereby inciting the conflict. (if the distillery is “just outside” Hale territory as well as Beacon Hills, maybe that’s why Derek picked it as a secret makeout spot-- someplace his parents/pack didn’t regularly patrol, and would be less likely to see/find/smell anything and give him shit for it)
So maybe Ennis’ territory bordered/ended a few miles from Hale territory on the side where the distillery is. Kali’s borders the preserve/part of the preserve/ nemeton side. Deuc’s is a little further away, but still “near”. Tensions are rising, so all the California packs/nearby packs convene in well-respected Hale territory to negotiate with the local hunters/Argents. Maybe Deuc’s territory being a little further away is part of why he was so optimistic about the meetup-- he hadn’t been dealing with those particular hunters as much.
Canon events go down. Canonically it is stated/implied (by Peter) that Ennis bit Paige: 1. as a favor to Derek (or Peter), 2. to get into Talia’s good graces (or possibly “back into” because it was a rogue member of his pack that started the incident with the hunters, and did it in/near Hale territory, hence distillery being the site of the execution, again, maybe because it was in an easement between territories), and 3. because he wanted another pack member to replace the one the Hunters killed (also maybe implying his pack was close, since her being in his pack presumably wouldn’t make it harder for her to date a member of Talia’s… and maybe even further strengthening the bond between his & Talia’s packs/his standing with Talia, through that relationship esp if it stayed/got serious ala marriages of state. XD I would not put it past Peter to have implied such things when he approached Ennis about biting Paige in the first place )
So Talia’s had a really shit week. A bunch of Alphas and packs who respected her met on her land to negotiate with a hunter clan who they were in at least a truce with… and now there’s been an incident and no one but the two men who survived, neither of whom is 100% trustworthy/sane now, nor trusted/respected by “the other side”, can say why a shitton of hunters and werewolves are dead. Additionally a human child/teenager was bitten and had to be mercy-killed, her young teenage son and foolish/slippery brother are tied up in that (specifically, her kid has now had a massive trauma they all have to deal with), and the Alpha who survived the mess was permanently blinded and immediately (as I’m sure it was played, and isn’t necessarily untrue) was forced to kill one of his remaining Betas who tried to take the alpha power/rank while he was debilitated.
At some point in the few months that follow, the packs that used to border her and be her allies, are killed. And because she did nothing about it, I’m going to say she didn’t know the truth about why they were dying. Maybe the alphas are framing hunters, maybe hunters are actually waging war against Alphas. Maybe both of those.
I’m going to say that Kali/Jennifer/nemeton/Darach goes down while Talia’s still alpha, before Kate. I’m going to say that because of the fact that Jennifer seems to have fled to Hale territory, and the Nemeton, but was surprised that the Nemeton wasn’t dead… so if it wasn’t the Nemeton she was seeking, what was it? I would say protection from the best respected/ last intact pack in the area and/or their Emissary/Deaton.
Jennifer turing up mangled in their territory/ in the Beacon Hills Hospital… Maybe that was the moment Talia put together what was going on for sure. Maybe Jennifer even said as much when she regained consciousness in the Hospital or something.
So then Talia knew the shape of the fight she was about to have.
And perhaps her distraction over that, over pack politics and hunter politics and alpha packs and mangled emissaries is why she doesn’t notice Derek and Kate.
And Kate was Gerard/the shitty Argents’ ace in the hole/ back up plan/something. Because Talia had been too honest or calm or smart or something to be flipped by their usual methods, and she was too respected by too many people (including, like, Satomi, who is presumably one plot of territory over, though secretive as hell) to be attacked, thinned out outright.
But Talia’s unbelievably distracted, and she never sees Kate coming (never expected that she would have to defend her children from adults sexually exploiting them. Especially teachers which, thanks to her super-creepy crack to Allison about wanting to substitute-teach to be able to ogle the hot teenage boys, I think fandom has mostly assumed/agreed that’s how she got access to Derek in the first place. As his substitute teacher. Happily adding that abusive power dynamic on to the whole mess.)
And maybe the Alpha pack had wanted Talia (or Peter, ooh, I like that) as one of them or on their side before they took out the Argents… so maybe in that power vacuum (and with Derek, Laura, and the Hale Alpha power fled to New York), they decide they are going to retreat and build strength for a while. Why fight the Argents when they can do literally anything else.
This explains why we/the viewers/Stiles/Scott/the gang are so surprised about there being so many packs. Perhaps that was normal, that kind of every-hundred-miles-a-new-pack thing, but then hunters and the alpha pack wiped out a massive chunk of the werewolf population in the northern California area… and If werewolf packs are all usually as traditional/methodical/slow as everyone seems to imply, it would take a long time for them to expand to fill the void, especially if there was a stigma/fear around the events that took out all those packs, and especially since there were still a few of the highly-respected Hales alive, even if they weren’t in their traditional territory at the time.
And it especially makes sense too if there’s a shorter window between the Kate Shit and Laura and Derek coming back… like six years or whatever (using Derek’s “fake” ID having him born in 88, and S1 happening in 2011). That’s really not a lot of time for other supes to fill a space that size… hence the rise in activity the further into the series we get/the stronger the nemeton gets. There’s still a vacuum being filled.
So yeah, Teen wolf wiki has Deuc being blinded in fall of ‘03, right after Derek turns 15, Jennifer happening in spring of ‘04, and then Kate and the death of the Hales happening in January of ‘05 (referencing the webisode that suggests it went down during the Wolf moon, which was Jan 25 in ‘05, claiming that born wolves have massive reunions/celebrations for that full moon every year, thus explaining why everyone was together), right after Derek turns sixteen… so it would have been just over six years since all that, when S1 starts.
But Peter’s comment is just that Derek was a Sophomore, and 15. While there are always exceptions, most folks I knew in California school systems, if they had a fall birthday, turned fifteen during their Freshman year. So I posit the timeline: Derek is 15 at the beginning of his Sophomore year, ‘03, when He and Paige start up. The shit with Deuc and the alphas and Paige’s death happens that fall, Derek has the shittiest sixteenth birthday, and Kate starts preying on him while he is exceptionally vulnerable that next semester (there’s probably some bullying/blowback/ostracization from his peers to deal with, if only because of his changed behavior, let alone any connections anyone has drawn to Paige’s disappearance and death, not to mention his mother’s distraction with pack politics and hunters, and him having gone from top-of-the-world to fuck-all self-esteem wise… plus, y’know, crushing grief and guilt). Kali attacks Jennifer that spring (2004), Talia is even more preoccupies there, and Kate makes her move sometime before the end of the semester, since Derek and Laura were presumably at a school function/practice/etc instead of home when the fire happened. This also Lets Derek and Laura be two years apart in school if she’s a senior, which I like better. Also lets her graduate (although, what a shit-show that probably was. Holy shit). And then it’s a full seven-years-and-a-summer before they come back and S1 starts (which would make him 23 when we meet him, instead of 22) (or, if you prefer, move all the years up one, duec attacked in 04, jennifer dies in 05, shorter time Derek and Laura were gone… or make Derek younger, make Paige happen his freshman year when he is 14/15, and Kate happen either that spring/summer he’s 15 or during his sophmore year, maybe, at 15/16).
This ignores the webisode/Wolf moon breadcrumb, which attempted to explain why all the Hales were gathered together, but unless it was, like, a lunar eclipse, which it was not, why would they have been inside the house, instead of out running with the moon? I would expect a moon celebration to involve, y’know, being under the moon.
I would argue that there doesn’t need to be a reason that they were gathered, at least, not beyond the fact that there were lots of dangerous things happening in the territory at that time. Maybe it was just a meeting to deal with that. Maybe it was a pretty regular occurrence, during times of strife like that, and so it was predictable. Hell, maybe they were in the house planning something for Laura’s graduation??? This is also suggesting that they didn’t all live there???
However, if anybody digs the Lunar eclipse theory, I kind of went nuts with it over here....
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Points of confusion still for me:
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Why is Gerard in charge of the Matriarchal Argent family? My best guess is that Victoria is the actual Matriarch, until such time as she decides Kate is worthy, or Allison is ready. Perhaps Gerard and Kate are delegated to Beacon Hills while Chris and Victoria (and little Allison) are managing things Elsewhere, since Allison has never, as far as we know, been to Beacon Hills before. Perhaps bitterness about not being in charge officially, and maybe being outside the line of succession, is part of what drives Kate and Gerard’s unique take on the hunter manifesto.
@sixspades / @satisfythosethrills suggested an alternate power tier, though, Where Gerard’s wife was such a powerful matriarch, so committed and impressive, that when she passed/was killed he just kind of stepped in as regent (Feeling it was his duty to pass on all that knowledge and experience they had which she didn’t have an opportunity to teach everyone herself) in the aftermath and never really gave up that position. He maintains power out of respect/the belief that he is doing things the way she would have done them, even as his own hatred of Werewolves begins to skew his interpretation of/adherence to their rules.
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Where is Satomi? (other than “nowhere, because they didn’t make her up yet”) My best guess is her territory was traditionally (assuming they weren’t completely nomadic, which I would accept) just far enough away that she wasn’t involved in the initial mess with the hunters, and/or her pack is secretive enough to have stayed off their radar, and powerful/incorruptible enough to not be a good target for the Alpha pack. Maybe she would have come to the aid of the Hales, and maybe not, but in the end… events in BH were too rapid and it was too late.
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Peter's actual age? If he has a kid Stiles' age (regardless of who that kid is or was intended to be), by this timeline, the kid's gotta be, like, eight when all this is happening (using teen wolf wikia’s timeline, Jackson would have been 9 at the time, in order for him to be old enough to drive his Porsche in S1) So Peter is probs not the nineteenish-year-old he makes himself out to be in the re-telling. Since he would have to have had a kid at 10. I like the idea that that is part of why Talia took his memories of his child, though. If he was young, a teenager (fathering a kid at 13-17 puts him at 22-26 during the Visionary flashbacks), and she felt he was unable to manage that situation… and if neither Derek nor Laura knew, since they would have been <10 when it happened, once the older pack members died, the knowledge was lost. (unless Deaton knew. Bet me Batman, Deaton knew)
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The desert wolf stuff??? I’m just going to put a pin in, since I haven’t watched all of that yet, I don’t think.
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Why no one is suspicious of Kate? As far as we know, she was not directly involved in the events leading to Gerard’s attack on Deucalion… but unless she was going under an assumed name, the Hale pack ought to have known she was an Argent and automatically been keeping an eye on her. Similarly, what kind of story must she have spun Derek, what kind of lies must she have told? Either to keep him from learning she was an Argent/hunter, or to persuade him she loved him and was trustworthy anyway.
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(of course the actual answer to most of these questions is that certain creators/writers/showrunners couldn’t be arsed to be consistent... but that’s not a very fun answer. ;) It just means missed opportunities that we can fill. Case in point: killing off all the female members of a “matriarchal power structure” so it can just be about old white dudes anyway. Six suggested writing in/casting Gerard’s wife, instead of Gerard, the sweet old lady with steel underneath... and you can see how twisted Kate could be that way, how twisted and terrifying they could be together... uuuugh I’m in love with that idea...)
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Thoughts, feelings, opinions? Anybody? Bueller?
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#i don't know which of those two scenarios i like (hate) more#the one where they abandon stiles like a newborn in the woods#or the one where they remake him in their idea(l) of stiles#both of them make me wonder how jackson reacts to this stiles#how isaac reacts#how peter reacts#could you imagine the deadpool with this stiles?#or theo?#peter stuck alone with stiles in the train station?#fuck#stiles in the train station#there's already not much difference between him and the people fading#peter telling him how to think#stiles: about what? peter: ABOUT HOW TO GET OUT OF HERE#stiles: i have three ideas#peter: .............. how does that work but telling you to remember to -- did any of them tell you to remember anything?#stiles: no?#stiles: i don't think so#suddenly!#a glimmer of humour!#just a glimmer though#this is psychological horror after all (tags via @fybandwagon)
Their idea(l) of Stiles hurts so much. Because they can't know who Stiles is, outside of them, and they're inevitably turning him into their idea of who they think Stiles is, or their ideal of he should be.
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Neither Jackson nor Isaac are particularly close to Stiles, their ‘friendship’ is more antagonistic and built on sarcasm respectively than anything else. So both start out in the shut up Stilinski category, and their perceived alpha commands aren’t quite cruel, they’re not out of malice, it’s just how their relationships worked on both ends.
And then Stiles is speaking again.
Isaac’s first thought is that Scott can do that to him too. Because he trusts Scott, he loved his father, and really, being locked in a freezer isn’t any worse than being mindcontrolled, possibly without even knowing it.
Jackson has been there. Not like this, he doesn’t want to be the kanima again, but that doesn’t change the fact that a part of him had needed it badly enough to turn wrong, to seek out Matt/Gerard. But Stiles was the only one who had been aware this time, no one even noticed because the only person Stiles hurt was himself.
A few days later, the situation is nowhere near solved, and one of them overhears someone talking, jokingly insulting the other person, telling them to jump off that cliff or something similiar. And it’s not unusual for either of them and Stiles to talk to each other that way, at least before, and they just stop because they could have killed him.
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My issue with Peter right now is that, especially in season 4, I just can’t see him a) not noticing what’s happening and b) not somehow trying to take advantage of it in the aftermath.
Pre-confrontation Stiles wouldn’t listen to anything Peter asks of him, because it would be a betrayal to Scott. But after?
It really depends on how the pack reacts, if Peter could get close to Stiles in the first place. Also, because I’m too fond of kind-of-not-really-alpha!Kate not to, Peter knwoing would inevitably lead to her knowing.
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Now, Theo.
Theo wants void!Stiles.
The thing is, Scott trusts Theo unconditionably.
That’s his first mistake.
Stiles doesn’t approve, still doesn’t trust Theo. But he doesn’t know what to do with those feelings without someone else directing them. And Scott seemed so proud of him when he managed to have half a conversation with Theo, answering his questions easily enough, even if they would have seemed a little too personal, a little too invasive just a few months ago.
Scott declares Theo pack, doesn’t think twice about giving this new person power over Stiles’ agency.
That’s his second.
Theo doesn’t need void!Stiles, Stiles himself has always had all the power and mind he wanted.
And this Stiles? Scott himself gave him control over him, and the best part is that Stiles wants this. Needs this.
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Stiles gets to that train station, ‘wakes up’ on that bank, and doesn’t move. Why should he? No one had told him to. Not even when everyone else starts moving.
Peter is the first one who’s conscious this time, who still saves Stiles and tells him to move when the riders come through that tunnel.
Now, let’s say for plot reasons, Peter stays conscious without prompting that wouldn’t come from this Stiles anyway, and the whole alpha command thing only happened after Peter went to Eichen.
At first Peter thinks Stiles is under the same spell as everyone else, but he’s the only one who actually answers him, who seems to actually follow their conversation.
But something’s still off, and Peter eventually snaps, because normally Stiles would have at least tried to find a way out by now, or blamed him, or something, and what the hell is wrong with Stiles?
“I’m being a good packmember.”
His heartbeat is steady.
Part of Peter wants to ask, wants to know what True Alpha Scott McCall fucked up now. Part of him doesn’t want to know.
(He sees a younger version of himself in Stiles, just after his sister became the alpha, and took his first set of memories. Sees himself in the same hospital room for 6 years with not a single person caring as his body is moved like he's a marionette with its strings cut.
He didn’t know what she thought was bad enough to have his mind altered. If he had been anyone else, if he had had any illusions that she actually cared, he might have tried to prove himself, had been more desperate to get her approvel.
He’s a born wolf, he knew Talia wouldn’t kick him out of the pack, if only to safe face and not have to admit she couldn’t control her own little brother.
But Scott isn’t Talia, and Stiles isn’t him.)
It doesn’t change much about that episode, except in all the ways it does.
First of all, Peter somehow becomes the optimist(ha!) that knows hopes, can't not believe, they’ll get out of there.
Even if it means telling Stiles to think, to come up with a solution that will save the pack. (And, hopefully, them by extension. Peter isn’t pack, and Stiles hasn’t cared about Stiles for who knows how long.)
Stiles manages to contact the pack again. He didn’t tell Lydia he loved her. (He’s been told he should.)
The jeep vanished along with Stiles. It was his mother’s, and she was never pack. The pack is what he left behind.
They don’t know who he is.
It’s weird when Stiles doesn’t argue with him for argument’s sake, when he just takes his suggestions and works silently, talking never a habit he got back into, after, with a single-minded focus.
It’s downright jarring when the other guy is burning, and Stiles looks to Peter for a cue on how to respond to the situation.
No one’s coming for either of them.
The riders are coming back, and Peter is leaving that station one way or another.
They don’t have a moment. They don’t talk about the pack, or Malia.
Peter tells him to stall them. To use his head.
Maybe it works just like before, Peter burning, with the keys to a jeep that doesn't exist anymore.
Maybe Peter remembers, makes Scott remember, and they get back what is left of Stiles.
Maybe he doesn't, and Stiles will just sit there for who knows how long, next to the railway tracks, waiting for instructions. Until either the pack finds him, or the riders.
Or, maybe he takes it literally, using his head, his entire body, to stall them. Gets in front of the rider and gets trampled to death by the horse, long before Peter makes it through the portal.
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HOLD ON I HAD ANOTHER OUCH. What if he gets two conflicting orders at the same time?!?!
@fybandwagon
Ouch, indeed.
Pack hierarchy, I think plays an important role here.
He just can't do something if it would go against an order of Scott.
If it's two orders of the same "importance" he either
a) complies with the first because anything else would go against pack
b) go with the second because it overruled the first
c) freeze and not do anything until they agree on something/one goes never mind/a higher ranking member gives an order.
That's why it takes Stiles actually telling them to notice. He doesn't just blindly comply with everything he's told in the beginning, he has a better understanding of pack hierarchy than most of them, and sorts the orders accordingly.
Stiles doesn't poison himself (a sarcastic remark from Jackson that wasn't meant to mean anything) because Scott had told him to stay out of trouble just once a few minutes prior.
Theo is Scott's second, even if no one ever acknowledges it, has nearly as much power over him than Scott himself. Scott's third mistake was letting Theo isolate Stiles from Scott, have him depend on Theo for the final decision.
Kate isn't pack, Peter is, barely. But Scott never told him not to listen to him, so when Peter tells him to listen to Kate, Stiles does.
Concept: Stiles is just pack enough for an Alpha Command to work on him. He is talking and annoying either Scott or Derek who tells him to stop. He does. He is physically unable to speak.
Someone mutters a 'finally', but no one actually says anything, because no one cares enough to notice that Stiles doesn't talk for the rest of the meeting.
Or the day after that.
And Stiles is both panicking because this is just the kanima venom/Gerard/the nogitsune all over again, and furious because his alpha fucking knows that.
But the others just joke about how it's at least quite for once, and Scott or Derek doesn't even bother to look at him long enough to notice that something is wrong.
Until he gets hurt.
Until Derek slams him into the nearest wall and tells him to stop being difficult.
Until Scott is yelling at him for not telling him something, and breaks his phone when Stiles tries to communicate somehow, because this is important and he should listen to him.
Until the monster of the week gets him and he can't say the incantation to stop it and ends up in the hospital for weeks.
#teen wolf#I haven't watched s4 in a while do you have anything more concrete about the deadpool?#lawyer/dealt-with-the-fae-at-leat-once!Peter being very careful on how he words everything he says to stiles#if he uses it for good or evil is up to you
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lc’s ongoing long-ass list of what the fuck, teen wolf, and other sundry E606:Ghosted edition.
scott getting a little tiny bit snarly at the sheriff for not believing~~ in stiles gives me life
this old-ass map not only puts beacon hills on top of a real life place called scotty place which still makes me laugh, but also substantially more north and eastward than i originally estimated.
why the fuck didnt naziwolf just get the fuck outta bh?
why did he choose to stay and teach high school of all things?
california requires an 18 month accreditation course and a certain GPA of teachers who do not have an education degree, i know this from direct experience. its been three months since naziwolf busted out of his bacta tank, so what the fuck
if he forged his credentials, how
when
when did he actually learn all of the post WW2 physics and electromagnetics things he clearly genuinely knows and has a genuine interest in?
did the dread doctors read him bedtime stories from their science journals?
if so, what the fuck
i guess if youre an alpha werewolf you can sleep in the backseat with no seatbelt and its not a big deal if you crash
good job on malia being the driver and not crashing them im proud of her
reading the date of the canaan abduction in the standard american way it was april 8th, 1987, which cant be a coincidence given that’s stiles birthday (albeit pre-stiles)
if canaan has been abandoned for 30 years, who has been cutting these obviously not overgrown lawns and trimming these obviously not overgrown accent shubberies
why isnt that flag beat up or torn in any way?
kudos on giving that convertible the old 80s style california plates but why arent any of the windows on any of the cars busted out? no flat tires? no rust or missing doors?
also that shot of the ‘town’ where there was more substantial damage looked fake as hell and the crosswalk was proceeding at the wrong angle and i cant unsee it.
why is there still power running to these street lamps?
for that matter who has their street lamps scheduled to turn on in the middle of the day?
was that block party banner over the street lettered on both sides? it reads properly no matter what side youre looking at, which seems weird.
why is there blood on the carousel? was that explained? we’ve never seen the ghost riders’ gun draw blood that i can recall
im not even sure we’ve really seen their whips draw blood per se and certainly it wouldn’t have caused that kind of blood stain
also why is the blood still wet and red 30 years later? why wasn’t that newspaper rotted out? either time impacted this town to make it shitty as hell or it didn’t, pick one, you cannot have both. it still rains enough in california to totally disintegrate a newspaper in thirty years.
how the fuck did that carousel function even that tiny bit after 30 years in the elements?
why did melissa have to sneak chris argent around, couldnt he have just declined the operation against medical advice?
also good to see scott got his utter inability to lie from his mom
even if malia isnt wearing 100% stiles’ void-hoodie how could the costume department have thought for a minute we wouldnt have thought that was the void hoodie?
malia having a hallucination of theo in the same episode he comes back in for real seemed both rushed and entirely unnecessary.
in fact these hallucinations seemed wholesale unnecessary and neither scott nor malia deserved that nonsense
were all of these dead leaves already on location or did some poor asshole have to ship them in and then ship them out again
come to think of it, at first i was really excited to see coral/eucalyptus trees as they are actually trees that are in california (as opposed to the type of oak the nemeton is, which is distinctly Not a type of tree in california) but then i realized those are Southern California Trees and if beacon hills (and canaan) are that far north and close to the oregon border, the trees should be way more pines and evergreens and not coral or eucalyptus or ... any deserty tree, really.
seriously were these hallucinations just to show malia can feel sad too?
malia was wearing really subtle gold eyeshadow earlier. now it’s dark shadowing up to her browbone. does being a werecoyote also mean being able to shift your makeup at will? cause thats cool
do little girls seriously still play with baby dolls while hitting their first strides of puberty? im beginning to think i was never actually a little girl.
how much younger than malia was kylie supposed to be? bc she looks like 12 here but malia was like... 10 when the desert wolf murdered her family, right? was SHE the younger sister??
teen wolf shamelessly reusing shots with new filters on them like never before. this ain’t even the fifth time i’ve caught them doing this, this season, and i’ve literally never seen them do it in any of the other seasons.
im not sure anybody told kylie’s actress she wasnt gonna get to make out with shelley
how do werecreatures get piercings? or were her ears pierced first before the change?
why does anyone let liam make any decisions, ever?
i do not get why everyone finds naziwolf so hot
seriously i have a little tree-bush exactly like this right outside my door/garage and that shit is wild and untamed in just a month of no trimming in 30 years it would not have that nice slender shape anymore
also trees being choked to death by kudzu or whatever all these vines are dont look that healthy
is there even kudzu in california??? ive never seen so many vines in all my 10 years of living here.
the first house scott goes in theres like no tv in the living room but there is one chair (with no dining table) all alone in the dining room area, which just looks sad.
oh sorry two chairs set up in what was clearly the worlds most melancholy staring contest.
my dentist used to have that exact sailboat wallpaper trim around the top of his exam rooms.
scotts bullying a door.
have melissa and chris argent actually told the pack about the head-biting yet bc i feel like they should know
i think more people have asked scott if he’s okay in this episode than in the last three seasons, which is sad bc it’s basically just lydia and malia that do it.
that one house has some brutal earthquake damage in its exterior wall.
poseys microexpressions are so woefully underrated, he really is brilliant.
i have more grey hair than jr bourne and that makes me really angry
i like that they’re doing alchemy with druidic compounds/hedgemagic/whatever you want to call it more than i could possibly express.
why is there a porch loveseat on the step up to this one house but that FLAG IS ENTIRELY INTACT?
how convenient that all three of them were looking at that window when lenore decided to fuck with the drapery.
that said scott’s resultant HOLY SHIT?!?? face is amazing
how has lenore been surviving in this town, does she not need water, electric, heat, groceries? where did the lemons for the lemonade come from?
all this wood paneling is the most 70s thing i have ever seen in my life
i appreciate the little cast iron redwood decoration with the ‘m’ on the bottom of it.
everything!! in!! this!! house!! is!! brown!!
that piano as a busted af bass key there.
i feel like i’ve seen that other metal flower/leaf decor before. the new version of the stilinski house, maybe?
lenore has an intimidatingly large smile and i feel like that as an intentional casting choice
how come malia and scott couldnt hear her heartbeat after scott explicitly called out that there were no heartbeats? or for that matter not hear that caleb also didn’t have one? (presumably.)
im not 100% sure but i think malia is holding scott’s hand when they enter the dining room area of lenore’s house, which is adorable so i accept no other reality now.
i honestly feel really bad for lenore.
i would say the fisheye lens is s6′s slo mo but the slo mo didnt go anywhere
i dont know if its supposed to be fancy or artisinal or whatever you called that in the 80s but dont put green shit in your lemonade, green shit does not belong in your lemonade. lemons. sugar. water. it isn’t hard.
malia like chugs a good half of her glass at once, but when she sets it back down it is more full than any of the other glasses. i prefer to think she just faked drinking it to try and gain lenore’s trust than it’s a continuity error from the props department.
when lenore starts using her banshee powers to shake the house, it also magically converts the lemonade into water.
lenore has a pair of decorative ducks on her wall but they appear to be two male mallard ducks, so. gay duck decor.
so when does lydia get to have telekinesis?
i dont think im a very big fan of how angela harvey handles scott.
malia did NOT make a fist like she was really committing to trying to punch out that window.
seriously scotts the alpha he doesnt need lydia to give him permission to do things scott thinks need to be done
that being said scott going into the basement with a creepy kid when youre obviously in some kind of horror movie trope was stupid
the cameras they used for the senior pack team were super blurry anytime anyone moved even the littlest bit, its so annoying.
scott barely being tall enough to reach this tiny-ass basement window is endearing to me
there is no way a vhs tape that wet would run. i remember vhs tapes. they were not sturdy.
i feel like we used to have the same VCR in my parents’ room tho
also what the hell camcorder did they record this on that put it straight on VCR, camcorders in the 80s had weird little small VCR tapes you had to put in a converter. that was just a standard VCR tape.
also why are there jumpcuts in the home video? did somebody cut the original footage and THEN put it on a standard VCR tape? how much fucking work was THAT??
caleb goes from 0 to 100 on the creepy poltergeist scale real quick
well okay maybe from like 40 to 100
banshee duel yessssss
literally why would noshiko do this after she saw what happened with the nogitsune
not that i necessarily think theo is as dangerous as the nogitsune but he is well bad enough
look at this worthless white boy doing this shit against all the advice of the woc around him
why does the sword do this, i thought the power was in kira and not the sword
if the power is in the sword why couldnt noshiko fix her own damn blade
look at this other worthless white boy even more worthless than the first
that looks like melissa is putting like grout on chris’ injury that does not look comfortable
oh look hes screaming imma guess it was not in fact comfortable
gratuitous jr bourne fanservice
awwww theyre holding haaaaands again
how did this kid get on the stairs the last time we saw him he was by the tv, why did scott and malia let him herd him like this
i appreciate malia’s willingness to beat up a kid poltergeist immensely
of the pictures on caleb’s walls, many are pictures of insects. one is a blue crab. one says ‘guten’ on it, which somehow entertains me a lot.
this is the second time this episode has tried to make me scared of carousel horses
the vhs footage loops while no one is attending to it which is not how vhs tapes work
malia is such a treasure
that being said having nearly drowned twice in my childhood this whole drowning-on-dry-land conceit is not super great for me
screencapping this is so gross
i love lydia’s fierce banshee scream face
so the blood was on the carousel before the wild hunt attack, as we see in lydia’s vision. SO WHY IS IT THERE??
THERE ARE KIDS RIDING ON THIS CAROUSEL WHILE SOME OF THE HORSES ARE BLOODY
poor skateboard bro couldnt even take his skateboard like rude wild hunt
i feel like there’s a lot more ghost riders here than there are in beacon hills. maybe the ghost riders just come for particular towns and the ones in bh are actually like... cora isaac and danny.
its amazing how much younger a good foundation can maybe somebody look
did liam SERIOUSLY just tell theo he can kill whoever he wants? did i hear that right? bc that is a TERRIBLE thing to tell theo, who has ALREADY KILLED A LOT OF PEOPLE, even if what you meant was ‘dont kill us you need us’.
i cant believe we got this cheap knockoff as an excuse to not have kira and then they didnt even let him have the powers he needed to do the job
otoh watching his ass get blasted back into the tunnels was satisfying
literally nobody cares if youre okay theo you murderous fuck
i wonder how many times scott had someone steadying him telling HIM he has to breathe like hes doing for malia right here
i should really keep a tally of how many times scott does stiles’ lizard tongue thing while stiles is gone
this is gross of me to think while the character is basically drowning but hey now i know what scott looks like with his bottom lip all wet and covered in somewhat translucent stretchy goo--jizz. okay. it looks like jizz.
scott mccall nearly drowns on dry land after a lifetime of severe asthma and the first thing he does after is ask if malia is ok
luckily THIS time she asks if HES okay to but jeez
he looks so shocked and confused to be asked extra jeez
more scolia handholding, this time while fleeing danger
i was literally three in 1987 and i still have more grey hair than lenore who was demonstrably an adult in 1987 I AM VERY ANGRY
that being said i realized why caleb here’s clothing was bothering me so much. nobody had shorts that long in the 80s. everybody wore short as hell shorts in the 80s. it was thighs everywhere.
these stupid motherfuckers taking theo to scott’s HOME and putting him in scott’s SAFE SPACE without even WARNING HIM oh my GOD
those better not also be scott’s CLOTHES
ok but WHY are the wild hunt trapped? did they BRING the northern lights or is the northern lights related to what’s trapping them?
excuse me but WHEN did lydia see anything related to what happens to people after the wild hunt takes them and why didnt we get to see it too?
seriously its like if scott is thinking of stiles then lizard blep
im so mad at liam for bringing theo back and putting him in scotts house i cant even see straight
and i just know that this anger that scott is being allowed will be it
and in a week or two itll be working with theo like nothing ever happened
im honestly shocked he even got this much
he even got undercut there by malias (also justified) rage
cool that the morrigan got a namedrop but i dont trust them with that story eitherrrrr
man let me tell you if this was martin and not scott and somehow he had been murdered and resurrected and was then confronted with his murderer in his pack house that murderer would not fucking leave alive
im still kind of mad that this season brought claudia back to life just to make her so sketch and make me kind of hate her, i didnt want to hate her
oh okay its a different weird leaf decor piece than the other one
oh yeah noah OKAY NOW youre starting to believe BUDDY you have faith issues
#long post for ts#like this is so long#so so so long#just my train of thought tho#no episode of teen wolf is without sin#read at your own risk#this is unfiltered#and idk what tags its gonna end up in#but my biased opinions are Obvious.
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Fandom rambles: Eye colors
Disclaimer: Okay, I'm a Sterek fan. I became one without so much as seeing one episode of that god-forsaken show that pairing originated from. I started watching after about a year of reading purely Sterek fanfiction. I stopped watching after season 5, because no matter what, I simply couldn't take that amount of stupid anymore. I refuse to rewatch it for the same reasons.
I started to ramble to myself about „stupid Paige and stupid fans for taking Peter's words at face value“ like many times before a couple of days ago, when again some fan took Peter's narrative and made it the basis of a pointless case about Derek's „type“ and blue eyes and his transformation. Don't even remember the correct context anymore. Didn't stop me from continuing to ramble. So it wrote it down to get rid of it. Hopefully.
P.S. English is not my first language, but the language in which I always operate when browsing my fandoms. I know I make mistakes. But I don't care. Also fandom wank not welcome. Just stating my opinion here and putting out my headcanon.
That being said…
I believe Derek became an alpha again when he “died” and thus triggered his transformation into full wolf.
Don't give me that "but his eyes were not red"-argument. Eye colors are deciving in canon at best.
We were fed the line that betas who have killed innocent lives have blue eyes, normal betas have yellow ones and alphas' glow red practically from day one. But there is barely evidence supporting it. Yes, Scott's eyes turned red after becoming True Alpha - whatever that may be. But in all seasons since Scott never actually has shown true "alphaness". He doesn't lead, instead he practically disbands the pack after Derek leaves for hopefully greener pastures. He just has one real beta, an unwilling one at best and isn't seen to have a real connection with Liam.
When Scott was bitten by Peter it was all about him being practically enthralled by his alpha and being forced to go out and hunt (and kill) with him. Nothing of that sort ever happens between Liam and Scott.
Practically all of the planning for the pack and most of the "education" of the beta(s) is in fact done by Stiles, who is the glue that keeps all these different people together. Yes, Derek's eyes turn red after he killed Peter and thus ascended to “alphaness”. Just like we are led to believe Peter's eyes turned red after killing Laura. We never actually see how the eyes thing works when there is a natural progression from one pack alpha to the other like it had to happen to Laura, when Talia died in the fire. Or how the “alphaness” chooses its next "host", when not forced to “jump ship” by killing the previous one. In scientific terms "We just don't have enough data!"
Okay, so what about how someone becomes alpha. Scott became alpha supposedly by sheer strength of will and character - or so says Deaton, who is an unreliable narrator at best, because the sneaky bugger doesn't like to share important information.
We saw Scott getting stronger for a while, but it only started after the icebaths. Which were supposed to stop the sacrifices of the parents, but were clearly surrogate sacrifices. So something fishy there.
Okay, Darach sacrificing parents was stopped, but Darach's aim of sacrifices was fullfilled. Only they came back and each brought something with them. Because, you know, the door was ajar.
The void came with Stiles, Allison had walking nightmares of Kate and turning into her, but Scott saw himself becoming more werewolf.
So true alpha my ass!
Scott brought something more powerful with him, woke the beast inside him and that was, what was able to push through the mountain ash barrier and turned his eyes red.
But Scott rarely feeds that beast, because he is a special little flower, who rather have everyone he loves die, than really do something to protect them. Who rather manipulates others to do the dirty deeds - like biting people or just being responsible for things. And can't fess up to his responsibilities, when he actually did do something - like taking care of his freaking beta after biting Liam, like admitting to using Derek non-consentually to bite Gerard so he himself didn't have to.
So the power seems to dwindle again. Maybe it (the thing that came back with him or simply his spark, because something must transfer to spark a transformation in a previously purely human being) even transferred some to a better host - again thinking of Liam, who is ever so angry and willing to do, what needs to be done. Alpha material if I ever saw one (and somewhat reminiscent of Derek pre-giving up his alphaness for Cora).
As stated Laura became alpha after her mother and former alpha, Talia, died in the fire. Talia, as stated by Gerard, was made something of a leader because of her rare ability to fully shift. He never stated whether she became an alpha before or after aquiring that ability.
But my theory is, she became alpha after she could shift into full wolf.
Hear me out. I think it is a genetic trait, that runs in families of born werewolves. Which is why it's so rare. Bitten weres will never be able to achieve it, because they lack the genes (active gene combination more likely, but I don’t feel like going all biology AP here). And born ones will need it from both their parents to do it. And even then they seem to need a certain state of mind.
We know Derek only achieved the full shift after he came to terms with his own humanity, after letting go of his anger issues and accepting his own fallacy. His "death" at the time of his first full shift is only a coincidence.
Talia is shown to have a sort of nearly eerie calm, a serenity about her in the scene where she meets Deucalion, despite the serious topic and dangers discussed.
Fandom thinks that the Hale pack has been matriarchial, because Talia's alpha went to Laura. Again, not enough evidence.
Assuming my hypothesis is correct and the serenity of the the full shift enables the werewolf to become alpha in their own right, Talia could very well have become alpha outside of the normal order. Which is supported by Peter's feeling that he should have been alpha and has "always been the alpha". Maybe he was actually next in line of natural succession and being groomed like Laura had been groomed, but then Talia went and became literally one with her inner wolf and the spark went to her after their previous alpha died. And she went on to lead her pack in a strong and confident way.
So no killing, but also no normal inheritance. Something different. Something a true “True Alpha” should be able to do.
Something Scott never did and Derek always tried, but couldn't do, because he couldn't embrace his wolf after feeling at guilt for the fire for so long and being angry at the world and especially himself for it.
But Derek let go of it all, when he sacrificed his spark so Cora could live.
Peter - being the instigator behind it - probably had hoped that Derek's “alphaness” either reverted back to the family line, therefore himself, or simply vanished, so he would have only to deal with one pretty incompetent alpha (Scott; in contrast to an alpha, who was willing to learn, to do what was needed and became stronger for it) to claim it for himself again.
And Derek's name didn't appear in the deadpool anymore, while Scott's bounty rose, while Peter was again in a prime position to manipulate him. Maybe even getting him to willingly give up his spark to him?! (Berserker-plot; “I can’t even keep myself safe and am a danger to my friends, here,Peter, take that burden from me.” - But there was Stiles and his somethingness and Derek evolved and disposed of the threat and well, it didn’t work out. Next plan. Damn, Eichen House. How inconvenient.)
Derek evolved. Losing his spark allowed him to come to terms with his life. He let go of his anger and Stiles took its place as his anchor. Humanity in its purest form. Flawed, spastic, vulnerable, but oh so strong.
Coincidently he died to be "reborn". I think, his eyes just would have started flickering back to were-life at some point anyway, but him being in mortal danger probably sped up the process a lot. Because werewolf healing couldn't have gone amiss in that situation and human Derek was a bit left without it for a moment here.
Now "reborn" or evolved, Derek possesses the same serenity as Talia did. He knows how to lead, but chooses not too. But he is responsible enough that should the need arise, he would take up the mantle once more. Which will be when his eyes will turn back red. But he doesn't need that additional sign of power right now, so they flash blue.
Okay, blue eyes.
Supposedly eyes flash blue, if a were killed an innocent. But what defines an innocent? Neither Deaton, Derek nor Peter ever give details.
We are shown scenes of Peter's narrative of how Derek's eyes turned blue. I don't call them flashback for a reason.
It is not Derek's story!
Evidence: Peter and Derek were impossible to roam high school at the same time. I don't know about your schools, but any adult not belonging to the faculty had to announce their present at my school. Without good reason you would be banned from campus if caught. (Again: I'm in Germany, where we don't have security guards in public schools and aren’t paranoid af.) Still Peter was supposedly always there to give young Derek advice and watch it all go down.
According to his driver's license Derek was 22 at the beginning of the show (born November 7th, 1988 according to Google). The Hale Fire was supposed to have happened at least 6 years prior, which is the amount of time Peter spent in a coma. So Derek was 15/16 during that time, which would make the possible timespan between Paige and Kate no more than a year.
Peter was born during the 1970s. Which according to the timeline of the show would put him in his early 40s about now, so maybe late 30s at the beginning of it. Let's say he was 38/39, when he went on his alpha rampage.
Meaning he was 32/33 at the time of the Hale Fire and about 31/32, when Derek supposedly fell in love with Paige in his sophomere year.
That's a big fat "nope" right here. One thing for a 22 year old to stroll the boundaries of campus and sometimes enter the school undetected while its in session, but 32 is a stretch even with good werewolf-genes.
On top of that I believe that would it have been Derek's story, he never would have fallen into Kate's trap the way he has. He would have been extra wary including anyone not family in any kind werewolf business. Not to mention still grieving.
No, Derek fell for Kate's trap because he was still able to trust her with his secret. And the innocent life lost which turned his eyes blue was his own among others. He lost his innocence and felt personally responsible for the Hale Fire.
No, Paige was Peter's first love and the reason his eyes flash blue. He was the high school basketball star, he was bright-eyed and slightly narcisstic. It would therefore be in character for him „to keep the things he finds“ - meaning having Paige bitten to keep her with him forever – and to keep her save from dangers the only way he knew how.
The Nemeton was cut down somewhere between World War II (the events surrounding the summoning of the Nogitsune in the internment camp) and 2003, when the meeting took place. Derek not knowing the members and details of the Alpha Pack would make more sense if it was Peter's story.
A 15year old beta would not have been involved in the meetings and I doubt Talia has told her children more than she absolutely had to about potential dangerous pack business.
Although Ennis was supposed to have bitten Paige in Peter's narrative, Derek shows no sign of recognition or special kind of anger towards him, apart from Ennis kidnapping and killing his betas of course.
15 year old Peter however, possibly groomed to become the next alpha by his parents until shortly before that, would personally know alphas of different packs. Maybe even a younger Ennis, who maybe just became alpha himself and needed to have more betas. For an alpha is always stronger when he has more betas.
Peter is an unreliable narrator, for he will always put himself in a favorable light and to have the story around Paige fit into the time in which he told it to Stiles, he mixes in the element surrounding the meeting of the packs with Talia in the old destillery.
So he can use his own personal story to manipulate the pack around Scott against Derek's attempts at leadership and at the same time disclose some of his knowledge of the members of the Alpha Pack.
Peter never shows and tells without some form of personal gain.
Also in hindsight it would make so much more sense for Talia taking Peter's memories of his daughter Malia, if having to mercy-kill Paige had been his story.
Realizing that his lover, the Desert Wolf, wanted to kill their child and probably having to fight the mother to get her to back up and definitively having to give up the baby for its own safety, would be a painful memory Talia would want to spare her brother.
(Remember we only get the Desert Wolf's unreliable narrative of events in season 5, when Peter was already taken by the Ghost Riders and therefore erased from memory of all involved. Corinne would therefore only have Talia to lay the perceived blame onto.
So she may not have been forced to bring the child to term, but did it because she actually loved Peter. Or because Peter told her that it was also his and she could leave, after she had delivered the baby. But she would not have been able to remember when she started to track her daughter down.
Which she incidently only stated doing once Peter had disappeared. Never once during the fourth season, when there was a certain confusion about the Desert Wolf and the She-Wolf – who turned out to be a werejaguar; how's that for a misnomer – was there any indication Corinne was travelling north to Beacon Hills. She was simply there and assassinating things/people in the deserts of Mexico and Southern California.)
So, back to topic:
Paige nicely fits into the hypothesis of Peter being next in line for alpha in the Hale pack, but then Talia went and managed the full shift, making her spark go all alpha and throwing that plan out of the window. And leaving Peter with guilty-blue eyes shortly after. (Maybe even because he didn’t want to go to his better-than-thou sister for help with finding this yellow wolfsbane which Chris used to cure Gerard and Peter, walking encyclopedia on all things supernatural, surely at the least had rumor about before having Paige bitten. I mean, come on, the Hale’s where supposed to be as very old family and they sure would have taught the knowledge of all variations of wolfsbane to all their children! He might in panic not have remembered, what exactly, but Peter surely would have known, that Talia would have ways to help. Instead he hid in a root cellar. - But that is a whole nother ramble.)
Since the alphaness needs to have a next generation - the only thing we know for certain - Laura becomes next in line, while Peter is pushed back even further.
Derek gets roped in by a young, ambitious hunter chick, which leads to most of the family being killed and his eyes turning blue.
Fast forward 6 years Peter kills Laura and becomes alpha the „unnatural“ way, bites Scott, because he is at the wrong place at the wrong time and an alpha needs betas.
Scott becomes flashy yellow eyes and refuses to learn how to be a werewolf, just how to use its powers, if he can stop suck so much at life with them. (Like creeper-stalking his (ex-)girlfriend or becoming the number one jock in school.) The only thing he really doesn't like is when someones is to be killed. No matter who and why, he can't have that.
Cue the Darach, who wants to kill pretty much everybody. Scott gathers all the will and power he possesses (or which possesses him) and breaks through her mountain ash circle. The exertion sparks the possible alphaness every werewolf has or allows the thing he brought back through the door to take over for a moment, just enough to spark the flame. Flare the red eyes.
Questions left to ponder, should new information get available:
1) Theo's eyes stay yellow even after killing. Is that because he is a chimera or because he doesn't feel guilt?
2) Malia's eyes are blue. Because she accidently killed her adoptive mother and sister and feels guilty about it? Or is it because she is a werecoyote and not a werewolf? (Different concepts of social structure and as loners more likely to kill, if even in self-defence? The Desert Wolf is a merciless killer and Malia states without emotion, that coyotes kill their young.)
3) Kate's eyes glow green? Some unexplained powers? Or simply a matter of different species? And why did she work towards the plan with Peter? Yes, he turned her – with his claws, which is another WTF?! - but he is not her alpha, because he is no alpha anymore and well, she hates all weres. 4) Jackson’s eyes are snake-like green-ish as kanima, sometimes glow orange-ish and flash blue after being “killed”, subsequently anchored by Lydia and then turned into a werewolf. So do have kanima only glowing eyes, when called by their master? Or before they start their transformation towards the cocoon-thingamabob? If a were-species can change (through change of personality and) another bite or deep claw-injury, why doesn’t it happen all the time during fights? (Bonus: Does that mean Hayden is now purely werewolf without a trace of chimera? Also Jackson is still technically Derek’s beta. Why would Derek allow his beta to leave him without ever mentioning him ever again? I am utterly confused by this god-forsaken show.
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