#also they look a bit like undyne. which is so cool to me

[cnsystem]

Ellry's awesome nb swag vs just some guy

[spotaus]

WOOOOOOOO!!!! More Ood writing!!!!

I WROTE ALOT MORE

MORE KALE:

Description of her :

She’s a short girl, standing at 5`2. Her hair is wavy (some hair strands are a bit more curly than others) with a curtain bang haircut. She wears (from the ruins to two years with sans & papyrus) a dark cyan-green ish sweater with what she claims to be Ivy embroidered on it (it’s kale…) soft yellow stitches brighten up her leaves for the most part on her sweater. Kale is known for being a dweeb who tucks in her shirt and puts on a nice belt. Her pants are baggy and long corduroys. Her mother didn’t bother buying her nice and comfortable clothes. So the school’s donations will have to do. She has cream/peach colored skin with a rosy nose and cheeks. She wears a pair of combat boots with just a bit of heels. (The heels put her at 5`4) 

Kale is an intelligent and always stressed, high expectations from her demanding and unloving mother (and herself) makes it hard to catch a break.

Her mother :

A cold and callous woman with a nack for making her daughter’s life much more miserable than it already is! Mrs.Estrella is a widow to a very successful and loved man. She’s a beautiful woman who can’t stop gossiping. Her morals are around the grey. Would she kill someone’s.. depends did they ruin her designer clothes? Kale’s life at home isn’t the prettiest, from mental abuse to bullying from her mother. 

This widow never wanted a child, Kale was a curse to her. How on earth was she suppose to live carefree if there’s a whiny little brat always in her stunning curls? So one day, she sends kale on her way to pick “the prettiest flower” all the way at the tallest cave at mount ebbt. That’s right folks you’ve heard it hear first IT WAS KALE’S MOTHER WHO STARTED THE DOMINO EFFECT. Much like chara, Kale sees humans (her mother influenced this) as revolting and unforgiving creatures once toriel explains why she and the other monsters are down underground.

With papyrus and sans : 

here Kale is much more stressed, she out in the open and always with in of the skeletons. But she can’t spar, and one of pretender’s honest confessions (I think he’d be honest or drop a hint that he’s not the best fighter) makes her always on edge. She begs papyrus to help her get stronger so in case anything happens, she’ll be able to defender herself or them. Of course papyrus agrees but it’s very kiddie level stuff. She didn’t learn much. But after five years in snowdin. She tries to go out exploring. Some time she befriends MK, becomes a role model for him. She teaches him human behavior to help him “lure” better. For all he knows, she’s a very good shapeshifter. Until undyne tries to kill her. Undyne gets used to Kale after a few mercies and close calls. It took a lot but kale manages to show undyne. Her respect and passion for the monster race! That brings us to the echo flower scene, K wants to gift the skeleton brothers something as a thank you for all their hard work. She knows she a burden. She sees it every time there’s a close call, or a struggle. It makes her feel horrible to know she can’t do anything. But the idea is for her to get something for pretender & papyrus at the lab! She sees all the photos of that one scientist, she aware he’s import. so she assumes she’ll just have to make their day by getting something of his for them. Little did she know a certain yellow lizardfolk is waiting for her.

The lab scene :

The lab is quiet for sure, Alphys lost in her madness(how I drew her in my comic er, that I’ve realized no one’s seen but the targeted audience. Spot. Eherhhhh) anyway she she’s food deprived and looking for a bit of a snack. When she smells a certain human. Kale is unaware of Alphys or her presence until she’s being changed down winding hallways, cluttered with loose wires, stacked up paper work and other obstacles. Kale ends up tripping a trap. A door opens from under her feet and she lands in a small pit (like a classic trap, it’s filled with spikes!) luckily, kale is very very petite and only hit a few spikes. But they were enough to skim her eye; causing the scar down her face, impale her upper tight, and her left arm. Very painful. So the idea is MTT helped her escape and stalled for kale, I think she’d make it to around waterfall before asking monster kid to get pretender. She’s not doing so hot. So she settled down next to some echo flowers and chats with them until help comes. 

That’s all for now 😏

dopple!tale and its characters (besides kale and her mother) is made by @spotaus or @spotlightstudios

[monsterfuckerconfessions]

Inspired by Ben 10 alienfucking anon, but I gotta agree with the basic idea of looking back on childhood favorites and just saying

"...Ooooohhhh...Cool."

I have a lot of similar personal cases.

Some standard ones like Frankie Foster making a generation super horny for tight black dresses and chokers, or Saria giving Zelda fans some hesvy love for the childhood friend thing. The one that sticks out in my head from the same game really hard though...

Zora Princess Ruto

She did some shit to my dumb baby brain that maybe wouldn't be seen on that scale again until Undyne came along and awakened some fish dicks.

I was either 8, 9, or 10 when I played Ocarina of Time. I got on the N64 hypetrain late since I got the SNES console gaming introduction after the later rounder redesign model was out.

Had some fun starts from some classics. Donkey Kong Country 2, Kirby Super Star, Super Mario World/Kart, the usual cool shit.

But later on, when my mom's boyfriend at the time was cool about showing me some SNES and N64 gaming (He ended up being a cheating alcoholic asshole, but I didn't know that yet, so I just took him at face value here)

He'd entertain my silly gawking and plot questions while he played and ended up lending some cool ones he never came back for (which I can't help but spitefully laugh at now) and they were all pretty fun, but obvious hood classic "The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past" was particularly great and led to some Discoveries(tm) later with Ocarina of Time.

I was super hyped about getting an N64 even if a year or two late to the party. Got some staples of the time that came with it of course. The obligatory classic games, Super Mario 64, Smash Bros., and obviously OoT, some bulky unwieldy third party controllers, some slightly better than the official monstrosity, some worse, and somehow most importantly here, Nintendo Power or Game Informer or whatever paper stuff that had strategy guides with cool pictures and stuff.

Prefacing a bit here: I was a single mom's baby, my dad walked out when my sister was 3 and I was like 0.4, so our house didn't have the dad porn stash to find. There was other stuff, some Victoria's Secret ads, my kinda hot single fifth grade teacher who seemed so weirdly fixated on gushing about how cute I was that it brings up some uncomfortable implications I can't confirm now, but also basic shit like strategy guides, gaming mags, and manuals with neat illustrations.

And somehow with all that, the last option just struck first with sifting through to find tits out post-timeskip fishwife Ruto, and at that point I really couldn't not fuck around and/or find out.

So I felt some things, started the playthrough and got up to Jabu-Jabu's Belly. And hoo boy, I was sexually curious already, but her actual in-game personality just DID things to me.

The tsundere shtick got a little worn out later, but the bitchy spiteful attitude to marriage promise 180 pipeline, the love for blue colored characters that could fill a Bible thick DSM, and her overall character arc just ruined me as a person in a way I find really hot.

Yes, I was into the kid version at the time too, but I was basically the same age as her in-game, don't overthink it.

So if the childhood marriage promise thing hadn't hit hard enough, the Water Temple hit so much harder by the end.

Adult Ruto tits out fish lady fucking hotwired my dormant libido and drove that shit 0 to 150 mph into the sunset. After the infamously confusing dungeon crawl and the disappointingly easy Morpha fight, that sealed it in the Sacred Realm jail hard for me, and unlike Ganon breaking out easy peasy like a Batman villain, I was not going anywhere.

Soon as I figured some stuff out playing in the shower and making up for spacing out in early proto-sex ed talks, it was just gonna happen.

I grabbed the nearest Nintendo Power or manual etc in one hand, my dick in the other and went to town, left for Zora's Domain, and never really left from there, cause I just started jackhammering my dick til it got sore and came whatever buckets I had at the time staring at Big Blue Titty Fish.

Everyone who played it knew the drill and had their personal favorites in the Link brothel. Zelda, Shiek, Saria, Malon (more potent after the older Majora's Mask counterpart), the Cucco lady (same deal with Anju), Darunia for the gay bar crowd probably, Impa, Nabooru, and my obvs by now favorite:

Ruto.

And for a lot of shortcomings and gripes I had with Majora's Mask, I didn't actually mind her getting clothed. I missed the titty out look for a little, but the dress was cute, the Zora band gang was particularly cool and interesting to me, and even though the Great Bay Temple doubled down on the Water Temple's problems, I still enjoyed the third Mask hunt pretty well and thought the band idea was really awesome and probably low-key inspired some of my interests in making music later.

And dressed or not, the fish wife love held really strong.

Saria gave people some weird feelings about The Friend Zone, Cremia gave people some extra love for titty hug motorboats, and Ruto cemented my love of blue girls and fish girls of any cup size, and she all-around gave me some lasting complexes for years to come.

Not for everyone, but my older sister used to watch me play Majora's Mask and comment on how horny she got about Zora mask Link, so it might just be for more people than I thought.

Undyne has some strong dom lesbian appeal that fed some stuff I already had brewing about strong ladies by the time Undertale hit, but for me, the bitchy to lovingly clingy fish wife will hold a special place as my first true furry/scaly/monsterfucking-adjacent experience.

Undyne could suplex me into dust and I'd still be really into that, but Ruto was THE og Blue-coded fictional crush that defined a lot of weird boners for me that can still be felt over half-mast today. (Don't ever ask me about my thoughts on Ranni the Witch, that question is turning the safety off a loaded gun and deepthroating it) (I love her and it's positive, I'm just exaggerating to say how annoying I will inevitably get about it)

Anyway, point is I fucking love clingy fish tsundere and if there was a canon choice for everyone's dumb elf-eared heart, for my heart's canon, that was her.

That was Ruto <3

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[pixelatedbugs]

just completed neutral route! big huge spoilery ramble below summary: definitely recommend playing neutral route because holy shit wow. plus you get some new dialogue and stuff from other characters which is cool

I thought Martlet picking up the determination syringe was an aborted genocide only thing but she had it and i was only level 7...she throws it away of course but it still kinda shocked me. She was already ready to kill Clover if they did anymore violence, even if she changed her mind in the end. And then Flowey just kills her-

Really interesting to me that when Flowey doesn't intervene clover just stays with Toriel. I feel like Clover had a hard life on the surface (based off of Star's couch bringing "unpleasant memories", mainly) I feel like deep down, they wanted comfort. They came down the mountain to find the 5 missing humans but they forgot about that in exchange for Toriel's comfort. A home. They're just a kid. man..

The boss..fuck. I knew it got scary because I accidentally spoiled myself on a few things but wow I was not ready. it really emphasizes the fact that Flowey has complete (not counting the player) control over what happens to clover. Speaking of that, that one scene at the end where Flowey looks directly at the screen..wonder if he realized that him and clover aren't the only ones here. T- DON'T DO THAT CREEPY LAUGH sorry was typing this while watching the credits anyway..

The fight itself was AWESOME. Super creative, the sections where you have to avoid Flowey's vines like Undyne's spears was amazing. The attacks were...creepy as hell Flowey with Humanoid Eyes will stay in my mind for a while. And that's a compliment, the horror factor was nailed here. The battle box lines too. "Clover wants to cry but they don't have eyes" wow! fun! jesus christ. The intermission(?) between the phases. All the other final bosses showed memories of the characters, so it makes sense Flowey would also get those! I'm...not entirely sure what most of it was about besides the part where Asriel first awakens as Flowey ("mom..? dad..?") but holy shit the mountain of dead Floweys was horrifying. Every single reset...damn. Its more likely that Flowey was created a bit before frisk fell, not clover, at least in undertale canon. But still, it really puts into perspective just how many times he died, over and over and over. Plus I'm inserting UTY into my headcanon anyway at this point lmao. oh yeah and then we're in Snowdin! yay it's Martlet! she's speaking slightly weird but I'm sure nothing bad will happen Uh Oh

The second phase is just, really, really good. I didn't expect anything to match Photoshop Flowey but this? Pretty much does it perfectly. i love the different artstyles for every different phase rather than theming around the different souls too. The clay one got me very close to becoming the joker fuck that one

I'm wondering what would've happened if i exited the game at some point, maybe ill redo it later. But yeah, awesome boss, awesome route, definitely go play it yourself. You can just kill like 1 monster and you'll get it i think. ignore the fact that i killed way more than one monster i needed the health ok

[hxllo-nana]

It was cool to see u back again with more YH stuff and more inkubator's and etc. stuff.

Like the very colorful fun facts with Gradient one.

The Halloween work u did was really cool too. Was the 6th image of Killer, Horror, and Dust? They being together in one image makes sense.

Also, I can't share the links with you, but like, if u want some really great Dust/Murder Sans content (and both creators got a bunch of other great content. Including UT and/or DR and/or etc. UTMV stuff in general), SenBeats has a great Dust song (with vocals and art) called this:

[Dusttale Original Song]- 𝚂̷𝙴̷𝙽̷𝙱̷𝙴̷𝙰̷𝚃̷𝚂̷ -●♦ 𝔇𝔲𝔰𝔱 𝔱𝔬 𝔇𝔲𝔰𝔱 ♦●-[with lyrics]

and xXtha has a great animated DustTale song with vocals called:

Eye to Eye [Dusttale Song w Lyrics] [xXtha Original] .

Both of which u may like.

Also wanted to say it is cool that we are getting Underverse 0.8 Part 1 this month at some point.

And we are getting a new Horrortale game by Sour-Apple-Studio too, which is a bit delayed because Sour Apple got sick and had to go the hospital. Hope they feel better soon.

Anyways, really cool we got those two DustTale songs so recently. And we are getting stuff like more UV and HT soon-ish.

Now to hope for even more DustTale and Something New stuff (though, at least we got the songs I shared for the former, and SenBeats also has a Something New song, that is cool), besides the songs (though, those are cool). In the case of DustTale non-songs stuff; there is more Dr. Megalo stuff recently, which is pretty cool

(I much prefer the DT takes/versions with Dust/Murder Sans - there is at least one popular alt. killer DustTale "take", that I just don't like personally, which I won't mention by name, but it is a recent DustTale "take", that has become fairly popular, but I don't really like it, at all. Don't really like there Sans and Paps in it either, even if they aren't the worst either -, but this version; Dr. Megalo, is still pretty cool, and still has cool Sans and Paps takes. And cool takes of other characters too, like Alphys, Muffet, Grillby, Undyne, the like).

But more good DustTale stuff is nice.

Alright, I am done rambling.

Just a couple last things.

Tape 25 (it is Tape 25, right?) is supposed to be 10 parts, right? Just wanted to clarify? Excited for more of those parts, whenever/if-ever u can.

And lastly, hope u are doing well!

hello again! college and life in general has kept me very busy so im glad the little works i put out make people happy ^^

“The Halloween work u did was really cool too. Was the 6th image of Killer, Horror, and Dust? They being together in one image makes sense.”

Yep! They dressed up as creepypasta but it’s harder to see that in black and white. despite that colors are what i have fun with the most, it takes a lot to color so i hope the black and white works will work as well, they’re very fun to do

[Dusttale Original Song]- SENBEATS -• Oust to Oust •-[with lyrics], Eye to Eye [Dusttale Song w Lyrics! [xXtha Original] • Both of which u may like.

I’ll take a look at those! I heard a few dusttale songs but my favorite would have to be the fnf dust mod soundtrack

Also wanted to say it is cool that we are getting Underverse 0.8 Part 1 this month at some point. And we are getting a new Horrortale game by Sour-Apple-Studio too, which is a bit delayed because Sour Apple got sick and had to go the hospital. Hope they feel better soon.

I can’t wait for it! I also heard a plushie is coming out of xgaster, can’t wait to dunk him in milk

“there is at least one popular alt. killer DustTale "take", that I just don't like personally, which I won't mention by name, but it is a recent DustTale "take", that has become fairly popular, but I don't really like it, at all. Don't really like there Sans and Paps in it either, even if they aren't the worst either -, but this version; Dr. Megalo, is still pretty cool, and still has cool Sans and Paps takes. And cool takes of other characters too, like Alphys, Muffet, Grillby, Undyne, the like).”

I haven’t seen any dusttale takes as of recent (woopsie), i am also unsure of who Dr. Megalo is but the name sounds familiar

“Tape 25 (it is Tape 25, right?) is supposed to be 10 parts, right? Just wanted to clarify? Excited for more of those parts, whenever/if-ever u can.”

Tape 25 is only 2 parts, technically it’s not even a part 2 as it’s just the rest of the tape. The whole set is 50 tapes and each tape may take as long as it needs to

I’m doing well! thanks for stopping by ^^

[doomed-era]

hey so this may be. A Question. but how would gaffen + widget + maybe the champions react to undertale/deltarunes characters. sorry for undertaling you </3 . also anything on the champions descendants?

OKAY here i go. finally. im gonna limit it to gaffen/widget unless I can think of a funny interaction between undertale characters and the champions I think solely bc there are a lot of them...these are gonna be fairly superficial and based on first impressions don't think too hard about them </3 cause theyre kinda bad

honestly they'd collectively be very weirded out by monsters that can actually speak to them. widget and daruk would definitely try to work things out and yknow. not try to kill anyone while given the first sign of violence gaffen might start attacking everyone. so my first thought is. they are probably better off sticking together in this scenario because of gaffen. and tbf it's not like widget wouldn't be suspicious either, she would be less than friendly at first, especially if she learned how monsters got into the underground. she'd immediately start wondering why and paint humans as the victims who must have had a good reason to do such a thing. idk i'll go in the order of a neutral route

flowey: i'll be honest they would not like flowey...which is HORRIBLE ik. I imagined them trying to beat him up and them him resetting which!!! I do not blame him. if they knew more about him I don't think gaffen would be sympathetic and urbosa would just be pissed. however. mipha probably would reconsider. widget would be all like DONT LOSE HOPE THERE MUST BE ANOTHER WAY!!! revali going "tch I would do cooler things if I could reset everyone" would be funny i admit but smhhh

toriel: ok I admit I think urbosa would be like "shes such a soft mom geez." (baka.) if gaffen wasnt in work mode he'd want to make puns with her and eat her pies....in the meantime he will stare soulfully at her. if toriel read widget facts about snails then widget would be fascinated im ngl she would stay in the ruins with toriel if this was an actual undertale route. however I think they are just taking a tour so whagever

sans: widget would be a bit startled by his jokes! also I think sans would realize that shes like, a PRIME target for them. gaffen and sans would get into a staring contest and gaffen would lose because sans has no eyelids. or does he

explain this toby fox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

papyrus: oh you bet widget and papyrus would get along. immediate best buds. gaffen would look at papyrus like he was insane (his eyes are bloodshot from skeleton staring contest) revali being all are you AWARE of how GULLIBLE you both ARE would be funny and mipha immediately jumping to widget and papyrus's defenses would be super funny

undyne: urbosa being like UM. I am FAR less of a show off than you are. you must serve your kingdom with grace. and then they get into a suplexing contest. daruk also joins but he's like oh haha i'm doing this for fun :) while undyne and urbosa are giving it their all. widget is cheering for urbosa obviously and gaffen is a last-minute contestant. widget cheers even harder for urbosa. im not sure who would win but it's not gaffen. also urbosa thinks it was super funny. also mipha would be fascinated by the echo flowers + have a lot of fun swimming around in waterfall. heartbroken by onion-san and tells her all about zora's domain </3

alphys: im going off my immediate first thought so honestly widget asking what anime is and alphys freaking out about it at first and widget being like OH NO WHAT DO I DO. mipha being like...tell me about this...anime...also widget would think mettaton is really cool. revali might like it but he would not express interest at first. and then he would criticize the sequel to mew mew kissy cutie along with alphys really passionately (iirc??? I forgot which one she didnt like) gaffen is eating instant ramen noodles straight out of the package when no one is looking. also if widget knew about the true lab she'd be like well um its fine ??? you did what you could ig wouldnt think of it as bad at all. which. erm. widget. urbosa would complain that her and daruk cant fit in the elevators and criticize asgore's city planning

asgore: yeah speaking of him. idk I think theyd like him. especially if they've heard a lot of good things on their way over. im imagining them all sitting down for tea...widget might be a little skeptical. and would also definitely figure out that him and toriel are divorced and ask intrusive questions about it. if this was deltarun id say asgore might be a little more interested in talking to gaffen I think he would see a bit of resemblance between gaffen and kris, mostly just quiet + weird + :| face I think. gaffen would just be quietly intimidated I think

OKAY. i'll do deltarune ones cos im kinda enjoying this

kris: ok honestly I cant even imagine kris would want to interact with them. widget would track them down and kris would just leeeeaaave

susie: widget immediately thinking susie is horrible and awful and susie responding in kind by being susie-er is funny to me. she would think widgets relationship with the champions and gaffen is super weird I think, but would she say this? idk.

berdly: ...yeah this is one of the reasons I wanted to answer this ask. I just. revali and berdly...I dont think theyd get along at all I think they'd see the worst aspects of themselves in each other and hate each other </3

uhh I think that is enough for me. for Now. but. yea

champions descendants is fairly complicated so uh if you wanted to send me another ask abt it so I could answer it separately...pleas...

[kingtrash-fox]

So I have Ideas now for an AU Concept from this image alone Bear with me.

Imagine Betatale (an Au I heard about with everyone looking and Acting Like their Beta Selves) but like Ts!Underswap.

Sounds ridiculous but Hear me out. Imagine in this reality The Monster Human War happened but Monsterkind Population was Cut in half: The criminals, who were Banished into the titular Mountain and Underground. And the Innocents those who wished to not provoke war and Signed documents saying they only wish for peace and all that Jazz. The Innocent monsters get to live their days on the surface with Humans which include a Sentient Sword and an Enby Teenager named Frisk.

The pair have a Dynamic that’s a Mix of Susie and Kris, Koffin-K and TS Chara, and Zoro and Mihawk. Pair of Dumbasses that like to Spar and put on a Show. One day the sword, Let’s call them Lam (pronounced like Lamb minus the B) and Frisk feel weirdly Drawn to the mountain Frisk more then Lam and decide to go explore it inevitably Falling in the Hole and that’s where the Story Begins.

The Characters in Undertale are like their Official Counterparts albeit a Bit Distorted specifically on their level of hate towards Humanity.

Absolutely Depsises Humanity: Most NPC Monsters that aren’t of the main Cast, The Ghosts not including Mettaton, Muffet, RG1&2, Grillby.

Neutral on Humanity: Asgore, Sans, Flowey, Gerson and the other shopkeepers, Gaster, Alphys (but you could say that about her and talking to literally anyone but the monsters closest to her like Sans Undyne And Mettaton), and NPC’s in New Home and Ruins.

Like Humanity: Undyne (She thinks they are really cool cause of Anime but still follows her duty as a Royal Guard), Papyrus, Some Members of Mettatons fan club (aka like 4 Hotland NPC’s), Mettaton himself, Mad Mew Mew (Character development/Mad Dummy wants a Round Two in this reality) Toriel.

Depends on the Individual to List: The UTY cast (Depends on what Beta Clover did. Does not include Chujin as I feel like he’s more neutral in this Beta Reality), Suzy (will cement herself in liking humanity after meeting Frisk), The Gaster Followers, Red (I don’t care I will count her as well), Temmies, Kappy (aka Kount Koffin-K but before He became a Bad Guy but since there is no Crossbones there can’t be a Kount so his “Beta” is him pre Super villainy. It’s my AU concept and I can add whoever I want Bite Me), Harry and Larry, Asriel, Chara, Kris (This one is a kind of a Joke but also I think Canonically Kris would try and get some Monster Scientists to make a Human to Monster Hormone Replacement Therapy Treatment. So thats what they would be doing in this Beta Reality and are a separate entity to Frisk)

Other things would include frisk having the unused Magic Action thanks to Lam, The time this would take would be during a Festival happening in the Underground, Robots 98 and 100 being part of a Robotics line Alphys Makes based on the Axis Line of the Late Chujin serving to help Repair the Core when Needed though they mostly just mess around, there would be like 28 other Robots to be seen ranging from 14-700 with a Gaster follower one being labeled 666, and Frisk’s Journey would be to Figure out what Catalyzed the Human monster war and unravel a several Century conspiracy of who actually started it, and if Half of Monsterkind deserved to be Banished.

Also it would be split into a few “Chapters” with a Prologue in the Town Frisk come from interacting with the Humans and Monsters living there getting some context to this reality. Each chapter is dedicated to each Zone and there would be multiple endings much like OG Undertale

Also why they are Friends with a Talking Sword Monster…that one stray pixel makes it look like it has an Eye and a random Tumblr Post gave me that Idea.

I spent a good while on this hope yall enjoyed reading

People were drawing Hero in their style on Twitter. I joined. That is all

[connorumodeling]

DFX 452 Post 10: New Judgement Hall (April 13, 2024)

Back with a double post tonight. Let's see what I did now shall we?

Reassembling The Scene:

After editing the pillars, I had to basically reassemble the walls, which was way trickier than I thought it would be and took some time, scaling, rotating, duplicating, and translating. I also reapplied the textures, edited the texture on the SAVE star, and messed with the lights. I also reorganized so it doesn't look that bad on the outline tab. Next step, after renaming the cameras, was to retake past shot and see what they looked like in the dark and with the big light. Here are the results.

New Hallway Render:

New Hallway Render(Dark):

Hallway is looking way better than before. The new pillars really improved the scene over those old ones, but might need to scale everything for the demo reel, I will leave it as it is, for the demo, and adjust if I feel like it is needed for the Demo Reel. Now onto the shots of the table, with Undyne's spear.

New Undyne's Spear Render:

New Undyne's Spear Render(Dark):

The pillars look better again. There is a sort of nice silhouette of the window in the dark version that is kind of cool. Onto the SAVE star.

New SAVE Star Render:

New SAVE Star Render(Dark):

I edited the shader's glow a bit and it is looking better. I might move the star up a bit for Demo Reel, and/or draft Demo, but I am liking the new glow settings.

Welp that is all of the renders for now...or is it? Remember those bones that I made in a past post? Well, I made them to be used as assets if me or anyone else want to use them and I decided I would like to use them in my Demo Reel if possible, or at least for my Draft Demo Reel so I took a render of what they might be doing in the reel as a sort of slight spoiler on what is to come for my Draft Demo Reel post soon. here it is.

New Bones Render:

This one is one of my favorite renders so far. The bones forcing the player to stop in their tracks for a moment, next to the spear of Undyne.

Next Steps:

Well the end of the semester is closing in and as such it is almost time for the draft of the Demo Reel for this Spring! Next update will include the draft of this Spring's Judgment Hall Demo Reel! I am excited to show what is coming soon. Do note that the draft is a draft and so the Demo reel is subject to change in the future. Not everything is set in stone. I look forward to the next post. Catch you on the next update post!

[determination-has-left-sys]

Ig we outa do this like introducing thing . So we don't know what kinda system we are, but we are undiagnosed cause, apperently to the USA, everything costs $$$$ and you can't even get Healthcare sooo fuck off . But we are bodily 22 plus size and have disabilitie like adhd,dyslexia probably an eating disorder now- and severe depression we are diagnosed with those things we put that cause apperently it's important. But we do have a huge hyperfixation on undetale for the past 7years thats how we got swap papyrus to be our host he started off as a caretaker . So he's our host he's kinda lazy but very understanding you'll probably get along with him and I'm angel I'm the co host but since papyrus dosent always have the energy I'm a bit more flirty and probably more energetic? I started as an alter but apperently the body must've really liked me our orginal host was chara and undine but undine is no longer around yes undine not undyne even tho we have an undyne alter our main Fronters are me , papyrus, chara moxxie and nightmare. But we have othera like Valery she's a brainmade alter and she's very quite and sweet and we have rick who's a realists and a Jack ass he looks on the more scientific side of things then there's handplates gaster who dosent really know how to socialize or nightmare who's extremely negative he's a protector and ya know goes from there like tori she's super nice and probably a caretaker or alter Sorry couldn't finish this but I have husk who's likr a anger alter and he's kinda who I'm with also gabriel he's super sweet he was originally a lust sans alter but changed their name and goes by he/them other stuff and husk is just kinda grumpy all the time but sweet to me and he's likes his alcohol 🍸 so there's that warning and grillby normally gives it to him he's another protector so he knows how much to.jeez there's so many new ones to like morty doubtle troubleThere's also adora alphys aliza Ane ballora I may just post our whole list but everyone here is amazing I just don't say so enough and youll probably like them too if u got the chance we have Littles like patience or integrity, sally Ben patients is a people pleaser and integrity is out going Ben likes his video games but scared of water sally dosent like adult men so much cause they scare her but likes her stuffed animals . There's Elizabeth she's super nice and likesLike robots just like alphys but feels safer around ballora there just to much to put here sorry-angelAlso, there's a good chara their pretty cool there, really into demonology and attached to Fizz and Asmodeus, and thatd how we got the clone of fizz and stuff and their but kinda confused on wether or mot they like God cause after all he's still something good and they wanna impress both , but they really care about asriel and flowey(which we don't have) and family not always nice-angelStories with happy endings and strong characters she's basically the closest to a Christian you will get here there's still more but guess you gotta fine out for yourself huh?-angel

[justali-anne]

Undertale characters - Scale of GOODNESS

Scale:

Bad Boi/Gorl/Smol

Dahk Grey

Mehhhhhh

Somewhat Gud

Gud

A Good Boi/Gorl/Smol!

A Fantastic Boi/Gorl/Smol!!!

Frisk (3) - Depends on the route. This kid is capable of anything, from saving all of monsterkind to assisting with the erasure of the world!

Flowey (2) - He is a bad guy for the most part, but he has some redeemability to him.

Toriel (5/6) - She's in between these. What stops her from a higher rating is her hypocrisy and bitterness towards Asgore (which is totally justified). Otherwise, she's an overly worrying mother figure who's been through a lot of crap, and honestly just wants you to be safe (though she could improve her approach a bit).

Sans (6) - I might be a little biased here (lol), but when I look at Sans, all I get from him is silly supportive big brother vibes. He wants the best for his friends and his brother especially and he proves to be insanely loyal to them. He wants to befriend you but if you drive him to it, he will try to stop you in any way possible from destroying the world. What keeps him from being a 7 is, well, his laziness. Also his hesitation to stop you from killing everyone he cares about until you're LV 19. And his mischievous tendencies, of course. Seriously, edgy much?

Papyrus (7) - Need I say more? Okay, actually, yes I will. Papyrus is goofy, supportive, ambitious, loyal, and tries his best with everything he does, even when he's bad at it. He keeps that beautiful balance of being a mature adult while healthily embracing his inner child. He believes in you, even when you don't. He's just... He truly deserves the name he gives himself.

Undyne (5) - She attacks a human child, sure... But honestly, I think she's just trying her best. When you befriend her, she's actually a really good friend. Loyal, supportive, passionate, fun to be around... And she will immediately step in when she can to help others in need. What keeps her from being higher is... well, other than her meanness, the fact that she thought it would be best to kill a child.

Alphys (3) - Alphys is a toughie. She's not BAD, but she's not entirely good either. She's nice and very passionate once you get to know her, and her anxiety and depression makes it super hard to hate her, at least for me. Especially since she sincerely regrets everything she's done. But... experiments aside (which I don't think she would have anticipated), she still has manipulative tendencies and is a compulsive liar. She lied about Mettaton to get her job in the first place, she used Mettaton to be a part of Frisk's story, and she lied to Undyne about things like anime so Undyne would think she's cool. She can actually be pretty dangerous if she applies herself to the wrong thing. But honestly, I don't think she's entirely bad, and she has the potential to become a much better person. She's already proved this when she evacuated all the monsters in the No Mercy route. She'll get there.

Mettaton (3) - He's selfish, egotistical, a bad boss towards Burgerpants in particular, vain, dangerous, has both selfish and selfless intentions behind trying to kill you, charismatic, helpful, caring, simultaneously loves his fans and humans, and absolutely hilarious. When the time comes, he can be rather selfless, like in the Genocide route when he sacrifices himself so Alphys can save more monsters. But he's also pretty selfish, such as leaving Napstablook alone to their depression in order to achieve fame. He's a bit of a mixed bag, really.

Asgore (4) - Honestly just trying his best. He's been through a LOT of crap, okay?! From the war to losing his family and his best friend, is there any wonder why he did what he did? He felt like he had no other choice because he just wanted everyone to have hope. Give the guy a break... And a real redemption arc because we only get to see him for one or two scenes in every route. I feel like more screen time would suffice.

Okay, that's all the main characters! Now it's time to add some extra ones!

Chara (3) - Is it still controversial to discuss them?

Asriel (4) - What keeps him from being higher is his actions during his Hyperdeath high. This kid is sweet and cute, but he can be really malicious when he feels like it. I'll give him some slack, though. He's been through a lot... OF CRAP.

Napstablook (5) - If they would step up more, then I think they would be higher! They deserve a lot of love and kindness after being alone for so long!

Anyway, I'm losing my motivation for this post, so I might make a Part 2. Who knows?

[waterfallmelody]

That Wordsearch - A Masterpost

So I got a request from @drowninnoodles on this post for an explanation of the Ice-E wordsearch and I thought, why not use the opportunity to collect together all the weirdness surrounding this wordsearch in a masterpost.

The Ice-E wordsearch is basically a two-second gag in Undertale that serves to play up Sans's laziness. The game promises a puzzle and then instead delivers you an unplayable wordsearch that does nothing, it's pretty funny.

But thanks to a little game called Deltarune, it gained a whole new dimension of weird.

[Image ID: A screenshot from Undertale showing the "Monster Kids Word Search". It's a kids' word search featuring a mascot labelled "Ice-E" who looks like an ice cube with a bear's face.]

This wordsearch lives rent free in my brain. It features a character only found in Deltarune... but it appears in Undertale? It's clearly from Ice-E's restaurant in Deltarune but describes the four areas of Undertale perfectly? Giasfcfebrehber?

Let me break this down.

The Undertale Interpretation

The wordsearch itself makes its only appearance in Undertale. Its purpose is just to be a somewhat functional puzzle for the purposes of the joke but many keen-eyed players noticed that there's a cool secret in it: the word list references the areas and bosses in the game. The first column describes the four areas: "fall" is the Ruins, "winter", Snowdin, "spring" Waterfall and "summer" Hotland. Corresponding to each of these is the boss in each area: "monster" refers to Toriel, "skeletons" Papyrus (Sans too, presumably), "mermaid" is Undyne and "robot" is Mettaton.

As for the final column, I did a bit of digging and thanks to this Reddit post I learned that there is an NPC that appears to be smoking a cigar in the game: one of the Snowdin library NPCs. She's also the one who happens to calls herself the "number-one word-search creator in the entire underground". (I always thought she was chewing on her pen. Guess this makes more sense.)

[Image ID: a pixelated sprite from Undertale of one of the Snowdin NPCs: a lady who appears to be leaning on a piece of paper and smoking a cigar.]

"Hot" seems to match the Hotland-related words on that row. As for "giasfclfebrehber", it feels like something Toby would write after he got tired of thinking up words.

The other weird little detail about this wordsearch is that when the Fun Value is set to 56 or 57, a second character appears on the wordsearch, a snowman labelled "Nightmare":

[Image ID: the same wordsearch, this time featuring an extra mascot character who is a snowman labelled "Nightmare".]

Weird.

Anyway, that's all there is to the wordsearch. The evidence pretty clearly indicates that the lady in the library made it, Sans used it as a puzzle instead of going to the effort of making his own, and there's a fun little Easter egg in the word list. Done and dusted.

Nah, just kidding. It's way more interesting than that.

The Deltarune Interpretation

So Ice-E never actually appears anywhere in Undertale.

Isn't that odd.

But one place where Ice-E very prominently DOES make an appearance is in Hometown in Deltarune. There's a restaurant called Ice-E's P"e"zza which has Ice-E as its mascot. There are several references to Ice-E in the game's dialogue and there's also a whole lot of weirdness surrounding the character of Ice-E themselves, but I'll try to stay on track and just stick to the wordsearch specifically.

Yeah... Ice-E only appears in Deltarune. Ice-E's restaurant only appears in Deltarune. The wordsearch looks remarkably like something you'd receive in a restaurant as a kid to keep you entertained while you wait for your meal.

What's something from Ice-E's restaurant doing in Undertale?

More to the point, why does Sans have it?

There are plenty of theories (better than mine) already on the topic of Sans and Papyrus originally being from Deltarune and crossing universes into Undertale, but this has got to be one of my favourite pieces of evidence for it. I made a post about it a couple of years ago which got big for some reason.

Giasfclfebrehber

see also: giasfelfebrehber, giasfclfubrehber

[Image ID: A screenshot from Deltarune. A letter puzzle is set out on the ground and Susie, Kris and Ralsei stand in front of it. The puzzle has been completed to say "GIASFELFEBREHBER".]

Deltarune sees the return of fan favourite characters such as Toriel, Sans, Undyne, and, in a chapter 2 exclusive, the one and only "Giasfelfebrehber"! Yes, it's that keysmash from Ice-E's wordsearch that I said Toby probably put in when he got fed up with thinking of real words.

Except it isn't! It's a single letter different to Undertale's "giasfclfebrehber"! Which, in turn, is a single letter different from the word that can actually be found in the body of the wordsearch, "giasfclfubrehber"! Why must you torment me, Toby, I have tags to write.

The word can be found in the leftmost teacup puzzle in Cyber Fields. The puzzle rewards a picture of Ice-E which glitches out, and a blue checkmark. If you speak to Susie while attempting the puzzle, she says it's "Ice-E's catchphrase".

What does it mean? Honestly, I just had a good chuckle when I first played this scene. Toby took a tiny part of a previous game and wove it into a joke five years later. But when you dig a little deeper, it's not just a punchline. Susie reckons it's Ice-E's catchphrase - and it appears in the Undertale wordsearch. Unless a) Ice-E exists in the Undertale universe and b) has the same catchphrase across all universes, this seems like pretty clear evidence that the wordsearch isn't from Undertale. The wordsearch is in the wrong game. Somehow, a little piece of paper crossed the boundary between universes.

Conclusions

(Edited now that I'm more awake)

There are plenty of incidences in Undertale and Deltarune of world-breaking between the games. Sans's dialogue in chapter 1 suggesting he knows he's met us before, Fun Value events, Clam Girl's dialogue changing just before Deltarune's release. Gaster. But the reason why the wordsearch is so interesting is because it's a tangible object. A piece of paper that's been zapped across universes and transplanted into another game. It's evidence of not just a metaphysical, but a physical connection between the two game universes.

If it turns up as an actual object in a future Deltarune chapter I'm gonna go feral.

[hard--mode]

Here's the notes for everything that would happen up until the end of the story.... as far as I had it figured out. You'll notice things are a lot less fleshed out the later things go. That's a big reason why this never got finished. the longer I tried to keep the thing running, the more I realized I never had any idea what I wanted to actually DO with this story which made it pretty hard for me to keep up. it's hard to write a story you're trying to take seriously if all you really have are jokes, it turns out.

I haven't reread any of this or edited it at all so who knows what kind of notes I might have written in between things haha

P: so as i was saying about undyne-

C: who’s undyne?

Everyone freezes. Chara just walked right up to papyrus without being noticed. Paps freaks out for a sec before he pulls sans into a huddle. Chara frowns and tries to peek around.

~Montage of papyrus’s excitement and harder puzzles, death montage

~Junior jumble: its sudoku now

Chara’s doing puzzles and sees flowey spying. They shout him over

C: HEY! still following me, loser? Don’t you have anything better to do? (but they smile)

F: somebody’s gotta make sure you don’t get killed too much out here

Flowey pops up closer to them

C: nah, I’m fine! I’ve got that reset power!

F: not for long considering how much you use it (mumbles. Rolls eyes??) (some depiction of chara dying a lot in the bg)

C: by the way…. In the ruins you were telling me to use it… care to tell me more about it since you seem to know so much?

F: I-... uh… well you already know the most of it. It just resets you back to your last SAVE point like nothing happened. Only beings with a powerful SOUL can use it, so monsters with their weak souls can’t.

Chara stops their puzzle work and sits to even the heights: Can flowers?

F: what the heck are you-... oh, no no no. I’m different.

C: so you have the power too.

F: No! I mean-, i used to before you came around. Yeah.

C: so you’ve done resets. (urging him on)

F: yep.

Chara waits a while: ...thats all you have to say?

F: yep

Travel scenes from here on out depict chara and flowey together

Gauntlet:

Flowey remarks that he doesn't remember a save point being before it. Chara goes along and gets paps’ bit. He does to activate it

C: wait this isn't for real right? U can't be srs!!!

P: yeah I am, this is hard mode!

Just show chara repeatedly spawning at the save and running back in with flowey watching them

Then cut to the end chara on the other side of it panting and exhausted, papyrus shocked but also beaming

P: wow you did it!! I'm so proud of u human! I didn’t think you would actually be able to get through it--- I mean- drat! Foiled again! I'll get u one of these times!

Papyrus runs off and Chara watches him with a look of wonder in their eyes.

F: don’t get too excited. his pride is cheap, he’s proud of everyone and every thing

Chara grumbles and marches forward: whatever. I don’t hear you saying you’re proud of me, so why do I have to listen to what you have to say

F: You know, you’re gonna have to fight him soon. Didn’t sans say so? What are you going to do then, die over and over until you give up or are you going to try to murder him just like you did with Toriel? :)

C: I am not! I’m gonna talk him out of it and go right past him like everyone else. Who knows! Maybe he won’t even fight me because he’s that cool. Even if he does, he’s probably a wimp anyways.

F: I wouldn’t be so sure! I bet you don’t stand a chance.

C: shut up! Quit following me if you’re gonna be this useless.

Paps fight

As papyrus carries their body to the shed to rest. Opens on their vision returning and they see their hands hanging toward the ground.

C: why didn’t you kill me? You’re stronger than everyone else, you could easily do it. Why dont you finish me off so everyone can leave or whatever it is you need me to do? Why did you hold back?

P: OH! YOU’RE AWAKE!

C: you held back…

P: OF COURSE i DID! I COULD NEVER KILL YOU, YOU’RE MY-- I HOPE I’M NOT BEING TOO FORWARD, BUT I LIKE TO THINK OF YOU AS MY FRIEND! AND EVEN THOUGH WE DO NEED YOUR SOUL, YOU DESERVE A FIGHTING CHANCE TO DO… WHATEVER IT IS YOU’RE TRYING TO DO.

Chara is too shocked and confused by the sentiment: I don’t… I don’t understand?

P: WHAT’S SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT A FRIEND NOT KILLING YOU? HUMANS ARE SO STRANGE ...OH! I SEE NOW! THE REASON WHY YOU CARRY YOUR KNIFE LIKE THAT. IT’S BECAUSE YOU’RE MORE AFRAID OF US MONSTERS THAN WE COULD EVER BE OF YOU!

He sets them down in the shed on the dog bed.

P: I’M SORRY, HUMAN! I WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU MORE WARNING IF I HAD KNOWN HOW YOU FELT.

C: then… does that mean you’re going to let me go?

P: ABSOLUTELY NOT! I ALREADY CALLED UNDYNE TO MEET ME SO SHE CAN TAKE YOU! AND YOU NEED TO REST NOW AFTER ALL THAT!

C: !! I-I don’t know who Undyne is, but I can’t do that. I’m in a hurry to get out of here.

P: HMM… IF YOU’RE IN A HURRY THEN… NO, NO YOU CAN’T! WE NEED YOUR SOUL, I CAN’T JUST LET YOU LEAVE. UNDYNE’S REALLY COOL TOO, YOU’LL LIKE HER!

C: No, I have to go.

P: AGH, WELL… I SUPPOSE IF YOU CAN GET PAST ME BEFORE I CAN CATCH YOU, THERE’S NOTHING I CAN DO. BUT I WON’T GO EASY ON YOU!

Cut to chara walking toward waterfall, papyrus calling after them to come back and hang out sometime. They keep walking and mutter to themself: Sorry, but I’ll get out of here before that ever happens.

WATERFALL

They see monster kid and side eye sans as they charge in, hurriedly.

Chara keeps flowey around and asks him to read the words for him. FLowey says it’s not important at all to anything they’re doing. It’s just monster history junk that means nothing if chara’s trying to leave. Chara’s like shut up cmon help me out maybe there's clues. FLowey reads some history stuff in waterfall treating it like shit they already know

F: why do you care about all this garbage anyway?

C: I dunno, I guess it just sounds familiar. Like a story I heard a long time ago.

Chara stops suddenly and checks their phone. Flowey asks what’s up

C: i thought it rang… you didn’t hear-

The phone starts ringing. Papyrus is cheerfully on the other end and they walk and talk.

He tells them about how he heard so many horrible things about humans and the surface but chara was much nicer than he ever expected. Chara asks where he heard that and he says a flower told him. Chara covers the receiver and looks around for flowey, suspicions of him raised.

Montage w monster kid and umbrella

Chara falls from undyne’s spear attack and wakes up in the trash with flowey over them.

F: hey, wake up. I can tell you’re not dead so hurry up and get moving.

Chara’s kind of bummed: she killed me four times back there. And it wasn’t even a fight. I couldn’t talk her down or… i couldn’t even talk to her, I could barely see her.

F: what, are you giving up or something? You know she can kill you as much as she wants and you aren’t gonna die.

C: I know that! I know this is just like a game where you can keep on going but… it hurts. And it’s exhausting.

F: what will you do then? Sit here in this trash and do nothing?

C: *sigh* no. I’m just feeling down in the dumps.

They smile and get up.

As they’re walking out, they hear a click and someone to tell them to “hold it”

Mad dummys behind them and she just has a gun. Pointed directly at chara. She starts on her thing about the cousin and then blook saves the day.

Chara meets up with blook again. They go to where the snail races used to be. It’s all busted and unused

C: what’s this supposed to be…?

B: oh…. this used to be a snail farm…. And this was a race course…. For snails…. But a long time ago people started to call the races “insensitive” so we had to close them…. Sorry you can’t have any fun racing snails…

C: why was it insensitive…?

B: ...i’d… rather not talk about it………..

Timeskip

C: hey flowey! What’s up with this place and snails?

F:...i wouldnt know.

montage

After waterfall where undyne says how many souls they have

C: flowey… if they have 6 human souls, that means 6 others fell down and died here, so…

F: what?

C: i just- i mean you were the first one i met-

F: no, no, no, ive never killed anyone. You’re the only human i’ve seen since i woke up

Chara relaxes: ok. So you dont know anything about them.

F: no. i heard some things from toriel, not much. It’s too late to try asking her, but she’s seen all of them. She was there at the beginning even.

C: the beginning?

F: you know…. When humans started falling down here and monsters started killing them.

Chara goes silent in thought: wait… how… long has this been going on? How old is toriel?

F: dunno

Chara after having a rough time: it’s hard, but no matter what happens i can just keep trying. I’ll make it out of this! You believe in me right, flowey?

F: no i think you should give up.

Page/chapter ends there. Next is chara going up to fight undyne.

Open on a riff on the “long ago” cutscene that chara cuts off by saying they already know this story

Undyne screams SHUT UP!!! I’m doing my HEROIC MONOLOGUE!! Whatever, I bet you haven’t heard the part about the King and Queen’s human child who died of illness and their other son who was killed by the humans when he tried to return their body to the surface?!

C: No I think I heard that one too? Why are you telling me all this anyways??

U: because this is an UNSKIPPABLE CUTSCENE!! NYAAAGGGHHHH!!!!!

Chara’s getting their ass beat and on low hp: I’ll die in a hit or two. But that’s fine because I’ll just start this over. I’ll start from… where was the last save point…

A vision of them with flowey. Their eyes go red and the flashback cuts in between shots of them running from undyne

F: I think you should give up

Ch: what… give up?? I thought you were on my side with all the telling me to keep going and-and the hanging out with me?!

F: as if you had any other choice but to keep going! We both know you don’t.

C: so you’ve just been following this whole time waiting for me to give up and die, huh?! Why, are you trying to steal my soul just like everybody else?!?

F: it doesn’t matter how hard you try, you’re going to die! And die and die and die! You can reset as much as you want, it won’t change that! So what if I am waiting for you to give up? You’re the last thing keeping monsters trapped down here. If you give up, you’ll give everyone what they want!

C: I thought you wanted to help me?! I thought you were my friend!

F: I would never be friends with a human! You’re all nothing but killing machines!

C: I haven’t killed anyone!

F: You killed Toriel! No number of resets can change what you did! You’re a horrible, disgusting human just like all the others and everyone would be happier if you were dead!

Flowey could say something about dying down here is better than their inevitable death on the surface. Their death would at least be worth something. Mean something

Chara escapes the fight, undyne collapses, and they walk away. they tell themselves they won’t give up. They don’t need help, especially not from that dumb flower. They’ll live to spite him and everyone else who tries to kill them

Chara goes in and meets alphys and overall is p meh abt it bc bad mood. Alphys helping them through the underground makes them talk to themselves about how they dont need flowey, they can do this themself. Friends are no good.

hotland is as normal. probably figure out some indication of things not right. make the game seem broken bc they arent supposed to get so far like this

Chara meets with sans at mtt resort for food reluctantly. Lets him say his piece. After he’s done threatening to kill them chara says to his face that they really don’t like him.

Need some hubbub about them having to kill asgore to get out. Theyll be like yeah I know that (somehow)... oh but I need a plan… how will i come up with a plan..

Flowey finally appears to chara again just before they get to new home and tries to talk them out of leaving. Disparaging the surface and telling them they could live happily down here. Chara says no, it’s too hard because people are constantly hunting them down and being the last soul, no ones going to stop that. He says that he’s sorry for the way he was before

Chara smiles back, and then looks away: What you said before… about.. My inevitable death on the surface…

F: that was… don’t worry about that.

C: are you afraid of it?

F: well- yeah, it’s a dangerous place. Everyone knows that.

C: I’ve died a lot more times down here than I ever did up there.

A beat

C: you go back and forth a lot between talking about how I should stay down here because it’s better… but also if I die down here… everyone gets to go free… to the horrible, awful surface.

F: uh,, did I say all that…? I may have contradicted myself a little… I guess… in the end I just wanted an excuse for you to stay around. I really don’t want you to die.

C: so you did see me as a friend after all?

F: well…you reminded me of someone who was my friend. I wish we could have been friends.

C: Do you think… If I reset back to the beginning and did this again, if I said the right things… we could have been?

F: No… You could be as nice to me or as mean to me as you want. No matter how many times you reset, some things never change.

C: ...Did you ever… have to reset because you killed someone?

F: ……….once… and then I never reset ever again. The power to reset… makes you do bad things. It’s wrong. I had to stop because i knew… I’d make someone really upset if I kept messing around.

C: well, in that case… I guess I’ll just have to get the rest of the way out of here without any resets!

Flowey smiles: I dunno, keep one or two under your belt. You’re a pretty big klutz.

C: Thanks for helping me out of here, flowey. Even if you just did it because you were begged.

Can you imagine a more paranoid flowey who is less interested in attacking you and regaining the reset ability, but is pleased af that you have the reset ability because that means you can't die, and instead he spends the entire game trying to convince you that humanity is hopeless. That there is nothing on the surface world returning to. That it's safer, down here.

he's part of the reason why things are so much harder

he's the one that starts the rumors about the dangers of teh surface world

there's a definite sense of paranoia all across the board

When they approach new home, flowey appears one last time and grabs chara by the hand, telling them not to go. They can live in the underground, they’ve made a lot of friends here. Chara says that they have to go, they’ll find a way to get out without killing asgore. Flowey says that he tried to stop them, this is as far as he’ll go. This is goodbye. They bid their farewells and chara goes along, but flowey secretly follows them, much less detectable than ever before. It’s revealed when he’s hiding with the flowers.

Chara walks up to new home, regarding it as a vaguely familiar sight. They walk down the many halls knowing exactly where to go. The monsters speak as they go through the motions. They find a cookbook in the kitchen with a page for snail pie missing. Chara mumbles about already knowing the story and that they should all shut up. They walk more quickly to stay ahead of them. Then one mentions the snail pie and chara stops dead in their tracks. No that’s not how it happened- they stop, and take back off.

They are stopped by sans in the judgement hall, glaring at him.

S: well I had a whole speech to give ya, but you look like you’re in a hurry. You’re a weird kid, but you’re fine. The king’s up ahead.

OTHER alternative: chara realizes something’s wrong and runs back to get everyone, probably threatening to kill asgore to convince them to come quickly. Sans is avoided due to the mob approaching behind them “I heard the word that you’re on your way to kill the king.” c: are you here to stop me? “Nah. But you’d better have a good plan to back yourself up, kid. King’s up ahead”

They run up to asgore, no nonsense. Some time is taken to progress things. As they leave the throne room, flowey watches from the flowers, chara looks back to confirm he’s there.

Asgore draws up the souls, the fight is about to engage, before he can smash “MERCY” chara yells: ASRIEL. Get the souls.

Everything stops. Flowey is behind them, stunned and confused. Chara turns and asks him what he’s waiting for. Hurry up and take the souls before everyone else gets here. Nearly every last monster is coming, if he can become godlike and absorb them, it will be enough strength to break the barrier.

Flowey is confused, how do they know that? Chara tells him he did it before. Doesn’t he remember? Doesn’t he remember them?

Either flowey does it and something happens, or flowey waits too long and chaos erupts which gets them killed, and then chara and flowey have to meet up and workshop.

Final fight:

He probably says some shit about frisk and how he cant lose frisk again, chara must insist that theyre not frisk. When they say their name is chara, he hesitates for only a moment. Finally, when chara’s pinned and about to seriously die…

C: you remember it now too, don’t you? It took me a while, I couldn’t remember a thing until i started hearing your name around. You’re an all powerful god now, you should be able to remember it all better than me

A: shut up.

C: would frisk want us to fight like this?! Would frisk want you to kill your own sibling?!

A: c-.... You’re… you’re really chara?

He lets them go

They reach the conclusion that frisk messed with everything and put them here with no memories so they could do something frisk could never do. Frisk thinks they deserve to live, no matter how much the two may disagree. They have to play along. Asriel is a god and can use his powers to break the barrier and bring EVERYONE back to life so they can live together happily.

go to final fight and everyones already there, things are very confused, flowey takes the souls and things glitch out (screen phases between bosses) and chara realizes this isnt how things are supposed to be, tells asriel theyre sorry for their baggage but he doesnt understand bc he isnt theirs, and then they gotta find frisk somehow

OR... they realize things in the speech and don't go to fight asgore bc theyre finding flowey... they feign fighting asgore and then suddenly tell flowey to take the souls("Asriel! get the souls!" and thats the first time they call him by name)...? i like that a bit better. they start going on about crazy shit that makes roided out flowey kind of lose it at them which leads to them apologizing to their own asriel but then realizing they need to find frisk

but HOW do they find frisk

The end shows chara asriel and frisk hugging eachother, all alive and well. Then the two are “processing…” and remember that oh, theyve done some dark messed up stuff.

[undertale-writing-times]

I dont know if its too dark but if its just erased it!!!

I know you already write an ask about S/O having a baby even if that means s/o dying

BUT how about S/O and skelly having a well going pregnancy but in the moment of birth... s/o dies? Like, something happend that cause their death, not even having a chance to hold their baby,,,

Well dang. Sad! Lol

sorry it took me so long to get back to yours. I have a lot of asks ^^'

I'm trying to get them all answered in a timely way without making people wait too long.

Also hope you don’t mind the characters that I picked! I wanted these to be long. If you have any special characters you want, then send the ask again and ask for them, please :)

Sans- Today was the day! Sans was so happy! He and his datemate were having a baby! He's always wanted kids. During the whole pregnancy he did everything he could for her and would panic sometimes even if it was just a kick. Yeah, he might have overreacted a lot, but it was just because he loved his datemate and wanted the best for them. Now it was the day! There were a few things that he was worried about, like for quite a bit of time before the whole water breaking, Y/n had some abdominal pain but they told him that it was fine and nothing too bad. Y/n also was more sensitive to light which was worrying but they kept telling him that everything was fine! Papyrus was here with him, talking excitedly like "I'm going to be an uncle!" he was so happy about it, and Undyne told him that he did good and even pat his skull which was a tad strange, as he was you know, older than her but eh whatever. He saw the doctor come out making his grin go up and he jumps up walking over holding a balloon which was tied around his wrist. It was a 'it's a boy!' Balloon but Frisk crossed out boy and put a piece of paper that said 'babybones' "Hey there, how's Y/n and the baby? Can we go to see them?" then... he noticed something. The way the guy looked upset, the air felt cold... he didn't like it so he gulps "Can we go see them?" he asked, a bit more force behind his words. The doctor explained that something went wrong and that Y/n died during the birth, and the baby had to be taken away quickly to be put onto tubes to make sure it would stay alive. Sans couldn't listen to all of it, he felt like he was underwater, everything was murky. Y/n was gone? His babybones was... he felt sick to his stomach and he didn't even know that he had one of those! He needs to sit down so he just sat down on the floor hugging himself as tears streamed down his cheeks. This was his fault! He didn't mean to make his datemate die to have his babybones. He can't do this again; he can't raise another person all alone. Please come back.

Papyrus- Today they were at the hospital. Why? Because Papyrus' datemate was pregnant with his babies! Twins, which he was very excited about. He loves the idea of his child having a friend forever and twins are the best way for that. Undyne was there and rambling about how cool it was and she was hoping that they'd have two different eye colors, like the twins in her shows! Alphys tried to tell her that that isn't exactly how it works out, but Undyne ignored her. Sans kept making puns! Like he said that he couldn't even tell that Y/n was pregnant, cause the baby was inapparent... come on Sans. Then he asked what was taking so long! It's like this wait time has been waiting a maternity. Papyrus had to groan at that. Toriel was giggling and has been telling him all about how to take care of babies but he was sure that he and his amazing, slightly less than himself, datemate would be able to handle it! When finally, the doctor came out he was happy and jumped up, running over holding his hand to his chest as he says "Hello doctor! I, the great Papyrus, is the datemate of the human, Y/n, that you took back there. Our babybones are supposed to be born now. How are they and my amazing wonderful datemate?" the way that the doctor looked made Papyrus... nervous. He asked again hoping that the doctor just didn't hear him! Yes, most likely! Then the doctor told them all that Y/n had died during the birth of the twins because their body just couldn't handle it. Papyrus listened, and he heard the others saying how sorry they were, or they didn't say anything. His body felt frozen, like he couldn't say anything, or do anything. What? Oh well uh... he turns his head away then down for once... not sure what to say. His datemate was going to be gone? He wasn't going to be able to see them again? He asks the doctor if he was fully sure, if there was no way that his datemate could still be alive that they're just wrong? The doctor told him that no, they were sure, and that broke Papyrus' heart he hugged onto his brother, sitting on his knees, and just sobbed. The sounds and force behind his cries shook his bones. Did he do something wrong to deserve this? He thought he was a good boy! He thought... He didn't know what he did wrong.

Blueberry- Blueberry couldn't believe that he was going to be having a babybones with his datemate! When he told the others though, Alphys laughed and told him that that was one of the best jokes she's heard from him! Stretch gave her a look of 'shut up' while Blueberry got a little upset and told her that it wasn't a joke! It was offensive that she thought he would even joke about that type of thing. She sunk down and smiles sheepishly mumbling that she was sorry. That's why they're now in the hospital, and he was twirling his thumbs between his fingers rocking back and forth slightly where he was sitting. Everything was going well they were told, but he was still nervous. Sometimes Y/n said that they felt sick and were always so dizzy so they had to stay in the bed more often but they were told that it would be fine and Y/n was fine! That's... the truth, right? He felt a hand get placed onto his shoulder making him flinch away and he looks over quickly to see Asgore who was holding Chara, a relaxed smile on his bearded face and he says "Hello Blue, are you feeling alright?" Chara raises their hand, waving with a little smile on their face. He hums, thinking about it, rubbing his neck as he answered "I think I'm alright? I mean... j-just nervous but the magnificent Sans would never become too nervous to be there for his amazing datemate!" he laughs putting his hands on his hips, even though he was sitting making Stretch chuckle. Asgore smiles a little himself and nods in approval, starting to say things that he should most likely do for a baby while Stretch interrupts saying that it's going to be a human and skeleton mix, so they'll most likely not need way too much help. Blueberry didn't like how they started to go back and forth, even Toriel rolling her eyes looking tired of them and whatever they were doing. Finally, the doctor came out making him perk up and he grins hopping out of the chair and points up at the other two boys "You two, stop arguing and sit down! You can both help me and Y/n raise our babybones. Since they're half human and half skeleton, I can use both of your helps" Stretch sticks his tongue out and takes Chara and sits down Asgore looking offended but chuckles shaking his head, sitting down as well. They were close friends. He walks over to the doctor putting his hand to his chest "Hello, my name is Blueberry, or at least a nickname. I hope not to bother you, if you're busy, but you went with my datemate to have our babybones! How are they both doing?" he looked so excited, but the smile and star shapes went away when he saw how sad the doctor looked Alphys snaps asking what happened? They were told that Y/n had died during the birth and one of the twins passed but the other one was still alive, just needed to be watched over carefully for the next few days. He heard people saying that they were sorry but Sans wasn't listening. Why were they saying sorry? That... isn't going to bring them back. 

Stretch- It was honestly strange. Stretch... never really thought that he'd go and have kids himself, you know? After his and his brother's childhood, he never thought he would ever want his own children. Yet now he was here, in the hospital, where his datemate was having their kids in the backroom. He was so thrilled! Just... very nervous. Everything was going so fast but also so slow, and he already had a few panic attacks so he had one of those puke bags, using it as a breathing thing while Blueberry rubbed at his back. His brother laughs, saying as he patted his back. "My dearest brother! I can't believe you're making me an uncle, I'm so happy. I'm sure this is all going to go very smoothly!" Undyne nods from where she was sitting beside him, smiling nervously as she says. "I-It's um very... very un-unlikely for anything to go bad" Stretch looks at her out of the corner of his eyes and nods, still feeling his nerves shooting through him. They're both saying that things are going to go smoothly, but he can't help how he nevertheless feels afraid! Things might go wrong Then what is he supposed to do? Well, what could go wrong? He thought to himself but shuts his eyes tightly, breathing harder trying to stop his brain. He knew how dangerous this is, he studied it before, he can't believe he did this! Ahhhh... he tenses up a little when he heard the door open and close, hearing Asgore say hello to the doctor and he lifts his head looking over at the doctor who was holding a clipboard, a frown on their face. Oh no. He felt sick to his stomach already he smiles weakly though to try to appear like he wasn't worried. He's been making puns all day so he decides to do one more. "You know, I'm so glad we didn't use sonblock at the beach all those months ago" he heard his brother groan but Asgore chuckles, sadly... the doctor didn't. They clear their throat, frowning as they start to talk "This is... this isn't the time for jokes, sir. I'm not quite sure how to tell you this, but... your datemate has passed. There were complications and they couldn't hold on. I'm sorry" Stretch stares at the human with his mouth open just a little then shuts it again. That's... he turns his head down holding the bag tighter. He knew that something was wrong but he wished that he was wrong. Of course, he could hear the others saying stuff, but he couldn't bring himself to listen everything felt so wrong and he felt sick to his stomach... this was his fault.

Snackers- If he was to be honest, Snackers never thought that he'd ever get with a human! They were good, but he liked to eat them more than anything? Like... they tasted soooo good but then he got with his datemate, and they made him feel so good. So happy. So, he didn't mind not eating that one human! Well... all humans now. It was a little annoying, for him to have gotten used to eating humans, to just now be unable to. His brother would kill them then he'd cook them! It was so nice... at first, he didn't like the idea, it scared him, but after a while, his brother was able to talk him into trying it and he loved it! Now they were above ground though, so he was allowed to eat other things! He loved trying things, even if sometimes he would eat things that weren't really editable; like one time he bit onto the table while Y/n was trying to take him out of the building but he didn't wanna leave yet so he bit onto the table, and they had to tug him for a little while. It was so silly! Another thing he never thought he'd have were babybones, but guess what? They were at the hospital and Snackers was so nervous because his datemate was pregnant! All the people around him were making him feel nervous, there was so much smell of blood and he was feeling almost overwhelmed by it. He could feel his brother rubbing his back to try to keep him calm and he was chewing on a chewing ring! It was supposed to be for 'babies' but he didn't care. It made him feel good to chew on it and it made him feel like he was safe. It was a comfort thing, his brother said it was for sensory stuff or something? He turns his head to look at his brother, seeing him writing on a notebook, and lifts it so he could read it. 'you're going to break this one if you keep doing it that much bro.' Snackers looks down at his chewing toy, pulling it from his mouth, and laughs "You...you're right! Not... good" He chuckles nervously, rubbing at his neck his eye shines shooting around. "There's just... lot of people. Smelling..." Butcher hums and reaches over, pushing the toy back into his mouth making him blink, chewing on it again. This was all starting to overwhelm him if he's to be honest, the fact that his datemate was pregnant and a whole lot of blood thing... so when he saw the doctor coming out he smiles wide and hops up dropping the toy on the ground since he didn't care much and runs over "Hello!" He says quickly, making the doctor jump back a tad. Humans were still sorta scared of monsters oh well, he doesn't care. "My datemate, Y/n, went back to have my babybones! So... excited! Where?" he wanted to ask where they were, but he was too excited so he was pretty much vibrating. He saw his brother sitting there staring at the doctor who himself started to shake a little "I'm..." He starts, "very sorry to... be the one to tell you b-but-" they clear their throat to most likely calm themselves down while Snackers was just staring, smiling "Your datemate has passed on" he tilts his head to the side, then laughs "passed on what? Their... eyes to our babybones? Good!" The doctor seemed a little uncomfortable and slowly explained that no, he meant they're dead... when Snackers heard that he was so shocked he had to sit back on the ground. So that's what it's like to have someone that close to you killed? He wanted to attack this doctor so his eyes scanned up but before he could he felt Butcher catch him pulling him close to his chest while he kicked his legs and shouted, trying to get out of his brother's grip. He sounded a little like a wild animal. 

Butcher- Butcher used to be named Spear, simply changed that after getting above ground. He hated the idea of himself being named after his weapon; and the thing that ended up taking his ability to talk. Alphys really did ruin that for him... but now that they were above ground, he got the help of the humans! They're trying to make him a fake bottom jaw that he would be able to use to talk better than he could now, and the crack in his skull. It wasn't that bad, just over one of his eyes which was where they tried to take away his magic. It made him have some issues with memory, not as bad as Axe from the other world, but his whole thing was the no jaw issue. Guess he can't complain though haha... ouch. Another thing that has been going on, was the fact that because they were now above the underground, he met someone. That, someone, was Y/n, and they were a human that he very much cherished. To be honest, he thought that they were one of the only reasons he was still alive and around anymore! His brother was sitting with him chewing on his little sensory item looking around. Butcher knew why, there was so much smell of blood, it might be a little too much for him to handle so he reaches up petting the top of his brothers head who looks up at him and smiles "Thank you! How are you feeling?" he shrugs his shoulders, reaching up scratching lightly at his skull letting out a slight sound. He couldn't speak but he could make random noises, and sure he could try to use one of those machines that the humans offered that would allow him to 'talk' but it's just him typing in the letters and the machine speaking for him. That isn't talking to him, it doesn't have emotion it doesn't show what he wants to say it just says what he wants to say without him and that's upsetting to him! He looks forward noticing that some humans were staring at him but when he looked over to wave, they quickly looked away making annoyance bubble up in his stomach. He wanted to snarl, growl at them that he wasn't something to just stare at! Yet, he didn't. While he was lost in thought he heard the door open and close, making him look over, and he sees the human that took his datemate back, making him smile the best that he could and he gets up walking over slowly. The doctor looks up and tenses up when they most likely saw him. Oops. "Um..." they clear their throat "Are you... Butcher?" He nods, so they keep talking "Well I hate to have to be the one to tell you this, but due to unforeseen circumstances, your datemate has succumbed to injury caused by the birth of the children. We did everything that we could to save them" Butcher was confused, what happened? It took a little bit to fully click in his mind and when it did, his mind shut off. His datemate was dead because he wanted children? No, because these guys didn't... they just let... he reaches up covering his face with his hands trying to keep himself calm. He can't break, he can't just start killing again even if he thinks these people deserve it... his favorite human, poof! Gone.

Axe- When his datemate told him that they were pregnant, he honestly was shocked. He didn't know how to feel about it, but he was happy mostly? Sometimes he got worried, and he got very overprotective, holding onto them when he thought that there was any type of danger. It wasn't that he didn't think that they could take care of themselves, it was more he was worried about them getting hurt. Now they were at the hospital because it was the day! The day that they were going to become parents and Axe didn't know what to do. Because it was a hospital, he wasn't allowed to have his axe but his support dog was here! He was told that their breed was a... St. Bernard and he named her Pasta. His brother loved and hated the dog but he loved her. He was petting her trying to stay calm looking around trying not to breathe in too much, yet can't help it. The smell of blood around was starting to overwhelm him but he gets knocked out of those thoughts when he felt Pasta put her head on his knee, making him blink and he turns his head down to look at her seeing her, panting softly and he smiles a little more than before then lifts his head tapping his feet on the ground. So much was happening here, and he was so scared.  He loved his datemate, they were one of the only things that were keeping him calm and still... around? Living was scary but he kept living to make his brother and his datemate happy, if they weren't around he would have dusted himself long ago. His brother was getting better and healthier, and he was about to have a babybones with his datemate that he loved. The thought made him start to purr shutting his eye, at least the one that he could. While he was sitting there, alone because his brother had to stay home, but he was still happy; the purring stopped when he heard footsteps making him open his eye looking at the doctor who stops when the red eye landed on him. They stare at each other in silence, Pasta looking between the two of them, until the doctor clears his throat "A-Are... you..." he stops, making Axe squint a little "Axe?" He slowly nods at the question. "Okay, alright. You came in with Y/n, right? I'm... ah." He clears his throat "The birth went smoothly a-at first but slowly it seems as though something went wrong." Axe's breath hitched as he heard that, shifting where he was sitting. Wrong? Wrong wrong wrong? What... wrong? His breath starts to go faster, reaching up hooking his fingers into his eye socket, his soul feeling strange in his chest. "What... Did you do?" He asks, slowly getting up growling in a harsh tone. The person takes a few steps backwards but he reaches forward, grabbing the doctors shirt "what did you do?!" The doctor yelps, and says that Y/n died during the birth but his babybones was healthy. He had no idea how to feel, what... was happening? He woke up in a holding room because he got violent with the doctor.

Red- When Red was told that he was going to be a dad by his datemate, he half thought about leaving. He already took care of Edge, he couldn't handle another child. What if they turned out as Edge did!? Yet, after a bit of thinking, he told his datemate that he was ready. Not like he couldn't be, you know? Everything was still worrying but he tried his best to not think about it too much. If anything, if he's to be honest, he was a little excited. This was just another try and his brother didn't really come out that bad, just mean which was expected from their world. That's why, right now, he was in the hospital waiting for his datemate to have his babybones. They were told that they're having twins! TWINS! Can you believe that? Why twins? That's more than he signed up for, and he only signed up for one! Honestly, not even one... he didn't want babies. So many thoughts were rushing through his mind and he was using one of those vomit bags as a breathing bag. It was supposed to help him not have a panic attack. His brother was here, as well as Toriel, and Tori was talking all excitedly about how they were going to have babies! Frisk was here too, but looked nervous, pressed close to Edge because of all the humans around them. Edge looks over at him, noticing the fact he was breathing like that, making him roll his eyes "You're going to make yourself pass out, if you keep doing it like that" He sounded annoyed but Red knew that he was most likely just worried. Exie(based on the word execution) looks over and giggles a little. "And that would suck!" Red rolls his eyes. Ugh... He regrets coming out with them. Luckily for them, the doctor finally comes out making him look up and he gets up, walking over smiling weakly. "Hey bud" he starts, sweat rolling down from his forehead. It happened like that when he was nervous, and he was. He hated hospitals! He got his pills though so that's good? They help with his panic, and the others with his problems with sleeping. "So, uh how's... How's the datemate and kids? Mine, I mean. Not that I don't care about yours, I just... I really don't care just tell me how mine are" he heard Edge groan but Frisk giggles. The doctor tilts their head, frowning then looks through their clipboard "ah..." Well, that caused Red's chest to tighten. "I'm sorry, but sadly, your datemate has passed" Red stares at the doctor, then looks over his shoulder at the other three, then up again. They're... Gone? His chest felt too tight, the others were judging him most likely so he shuts his eyes tightly, teleporting away. He killed his datemate.

Edge- Of course Edge was happy! He had a beautiful datemate, and that beautiful datemate was pregnant! He knew that his datemate was going to have an amazing and wonderful babybones. At first he was nervous to have children, he didn't know if he was ready. Now he didn't care! His datemate was pregnant and he was ready to take care of them both. Red told him a few things for when his babybones was born but Edge snapped at him, saying that he'd be able to deal with it himself. Red rolled his eyes but agreed. Yet... Now they were in the hospital, and he felt so much panic going through his body. His brother was with him, sitting beside him looking nervous. Sometimes he was about to fall asleep but woke back up, shaking his head to keep himself awake and he turns his head to look at his brother, letting out a little chuckle "You okay there, bro?" He asks. Edge turns his head quickly to look at Red who was looking up at him with his stupid eye glows, and the bags under his sockets. He looked so tired but... ugh! "I'm fine!" He snaps, then tilts his head back resting it against the wall tapping his boot on the ground feeling nervous. For so long, he thought he was ready for this but when his datemate's water broke, and they said that the baby was coming; he rushed them towards the hospital and then they went back. They were told that everything was going well from what the people could tell, but they didn't fully know because this was a hybrid, in a way? This was all so crazy, and too much for him to handle, but he had to handle it! Dammit.  While he was sitting there, lost in thought, he heard his brother say, while judging his arm "Bro? Hey?" He shuts his eyes rubbing his temples and turns his head "What?! What do you want? I'm busy!" he shouts, knowing that some of the humans were looking at him, but he didn't care those people could look all they want. Red flinches away then points forward, making him look over to see a doctor standing there looking up at him, seeming nervous. Well damn... he squints at the doctor "how is my datemate?" He asks. The doctors eyes shoot away, biting the inside of their cheek most likely then they clear the inside of their throat "I'm... very sorry, but something's went wrong" they shift where they were standing. Edge squints and stands up looking down at the doctor "What did you do to them?" he got explained that the baby was able to live, but his datemate died making him frown. What the hell?

Yanberry- Finally! Yanberry was so happy to hear that his datemate was pregnant. He's been trying to do that for quite a bit of time now, you know? He wanted to get them pregnant, so they wouldn't be able to leave! Once they have children together, it'll be so much harder for his datemate to get away from him, if they ever wanted to. He has no idea why they'd want to though, he treated them so well! He loved them so much and would give them everything that they wanted to have. Plus, he saved them from their old boring life and now they live with him and his brother! He wouldn't just allow ANYONE to live with him like that. So, they should be happy to be with him. Now they were at the hospital! Yanberry didn't like the idea of his datemate being touched by some random person! But if that's needed, he'll do it for them. He was sitting in the waiting room telling everyone and every creature, just how excited he was! He couldn't believe that they were going to have a babybones, do you know how extraordinary it is for hybrids? Somehow, they had one. Well... two! Ahhh he's so excited! While he was sitting there, he heard the doctor come in, making him perk up looking over and he smiles when he saw the doctor so he hops up and heads over, putting his hands behind his back, smiling. "Greetings, human! I am very happy to see you! You see, I brought my wonderful datemate here. They're having my babybones and I'm wondering how long they'd need to be here?" He asks, trying to smile innocently. If he could take them home tonight, he'd be so happy! The doctor looked uncomfortable, though making him squint. "Well... Your ah... Datemate? Has succumbed to Maternal mortality. I'm sorry" Yanberry, of course, knew what that meant making his eyes widen just a little. What? Annoyance fills his body, then anger. He wanted to hurt this doctor but instead decided to do something else. He broke down, covering his eyes with his hands allowing tears to start to slip from behind his hands "Y-You killed... you killed my datemate!" he could feel eyes on him now, not that he cared. This was to get attention. The doctor tried to calm him down telling him that the babies lived! He was going to find out where this doctor lived and take them out himself. Nobody would know, but he was going to kill them violently... how dare this stupid human take away his datemate? Ugh. Maybe he can trick Chara into doing a reset! Who cares if they have to spend a bit more time in the underground? Yeah, he knew about it, shut up.

[vgfm]

Deltarune Theory: The True Identity and Importance of “Everyman”

I’ve been away from the Undertale theory scene for a long time. It’s been so long that a whole new-fangled game got announced, and I’ve got some theories on it.

Are these theories about Gaster or Sans or whatever’s going on with Kris? Not exactly. At least, not yet. I’ve got a better character in mind.

Let’s start with Everyman: Undertale’s most obscure character and (I think) one of the most pivotal in Deltarune.

This is a two-part theory: the first part outlines who Everyman is and why I think he’ll be important in Deltarune. The second part? You’ll have to read and find out.

This is a long one and with loads of images, so strap yourselves in.

Sections

Part 1: Introduction to Everyman

Who is Everyman?

“So Everyman’s just an Easter egg, right?”

Everyman’s Importance

Why did Everyman appear in True Lab?

Why Everyman will have a bigger role in Deltarune

Part 2: Everyman is ???

What will Everyman’s role be?

Jevil’s Connection to Everyman

The Spade King’s clue

Additional Evidence

“Seriously?”

The Gaster connection

The “Strange Son”

Who made who?

“Seriously, who is Everyman?”

End

Closing Summary

Final Conclusions

Who is Everyman?

"Everyman” is a special attack that appears during the Reaper Bird amalgamate fight in True Lab.

This same figure appears twice in Deltarune’s first chapter:

Once as graffiti in an alleyway in Hometown...

...and again as a rare bullet attack during Jevil’s fight.

The name “Everyman” only ever appears in-game next to his graffiti portrait in Hometown. Everyman’s sprites are simply titled “strangeman” in Undertale’s game files:

[Image transcript: UTModTool is showing multiple highlighted sprite entries that begin with “spr_strangeman”. On the right is the file “spr_strangeman_walk” opened, showing a picture of Everyman. End image transcript]

Some time after Undertale’s release there was a since-deleted tweet from Toby with a picture of Reaper Bird’s attack that he titled “Everyman,” which is where fans first got the name.

[Image transcript: A tweet from toby fox that says “Everyman”. The first reply says “Is that his name. please thell me thats his obj name.” Toby’s response repeats “Everyman.” The next reply says “everything i aspire to be.” Toby responds again with “’Everyman’ you aspire to be.” Toby then adds another tweet saying “Description. Just a good guy that shows up on occasion.” end image transcript.]

This is a web archive screenshot so the image of Everyman’s bullet sprite wasn’t preserved here. Special thanks to catcat for tracking this one down!

“So Everyman’s just an Easter egg, right?”

I don’t think so. I’d be more inclined to write off Everyman’s role in Deltarune as a mere cameo if he had only shown up once. But it’s odd that Toby felt the need to include Everyman twice in a single chapter. To me this seems less like a one-off cameo and more like foreshadowing for a greater role in the full game.

Let’s compare Everyman’s appearances to instances of character foreshadowing and one-off cameos from Undertale and Deltarune:

Mettaton

[Image transcript: four Undertale screenshots arranged in a grid. In the top-left screenshot, the narration text box reads “(the machine isn’t working.)” as Frisk stares at Mettaton in Snowdin’s colored tile puzzle room. In the top-right screenshot, the narration textbox is reading a TV announcement in Papyrus’ house: “(It says ‘STAY TUNED FOR A NEW PROGRAM - MTT.’)”. In the bottom-left screenshot, Napstablook’s text box says “there’s a show i like to watch on it... sometimes...” as Frisk looks at their television. In the bottom-right screenshot, Undyne’s text box says “This oven is some top-of-the-line MTT thing.” as Frisk stares at her oven. End image transcript.]

Mettaton is foreshadowed multiple times before he makes his proper introduction in Alphys’ Lab. This includes a direct on-screen appearance of his rectangular form as part of Snowdin’s colored tile puzzle. What’s interesting is that half of these references (including the tile puzzle) only make sense in hindsight to a first-time player. For all we know there could be other, more-cryptic Everyman references already in Deltarune that we don’t have the full context to understand yet.

Rouxls Kaard

Despite his legendary introductory sequence catching many-a-player off-guard, Rouxls Kaard actually is foreshadowed a couple of times before his stunning debut.

[Image transcript: four Deltarune screenshots arranged in a grid. In the top-left screenshot, Ralsei is reading a message from Rouxls Kaard: “It says... ‘Thoust fools, thou will NEVER figure it out now!’. This is continued in the top-right screenshot: “Then it, um, says, ‘PS - I make my own Rules. - RK’”. In the bottom-left screenshot, a puzzle-master says “ROUXLS KAARD... Lord of the Puzzles... Be careful...!” In the bottom-right screenshot, one of Clover’s heads says “RK came by... What a hunk!” End image transcript.]

I’ve noticed from watching Let’s Plays that many people don’t even realize that these lines were meant to foreshadow him (and I’m pretty sure I didn’t realize it either on my first playthrough).

Ice-E

Now here’s something that’s an example of both a one-off cameo and proper foreshadowing! In Undertale, Ice-E is referenced exactly once in the entire game—as part of Sans’ Monster Kidz Word Search puzzle. No other character mentions Ice-E, Ice-E does not appear in-person, nor does the Ice-E’s restaurant appear... in Undertale. Deltarune is a completely different story.

[image transcript: Two Deltarune screenshots side-by-side. in the left screenshot, Kris looks under their sink and the narration text box says: “A can of Ice-E’s Cool Boys Body Spray ‘Spray For The Boys,’ Flamin’ Hot Pizza Flavor.” In the right screenshot, Kris reads a chart in the hospital. The narration text box says: “(It’s a classic 1-to-10 pain scale, using ICE-E as a model.)” End image transcript.]

In Deltarune chapter 1 we find numerous references and bits of foreshadowing for Ice-E and, lo and behold, we see that Ice-E’s restaurant exists in Hometown at the end of chapter 1. And notice how it’s multiple references and not just a one-off like last time.

In every example of foreshadowing listed above we’re given more than one hint of a character’s presence, and so far Everyman fits this same pattern. This makes me feel safe in assuming he will have a bigger role in the full game.

Everyman’s Importance

What’s interesting is that in Chapter 1, Everyman appears in both the light and dark worlds. So far Deltarune has kept the light and dark worlds largely separate from one another, with only Kris and Susie traveling between them (as far as we know).

Everyman’s presence in both worlds implies that either he can travel between both worlds as well, or at least that lightners and darkners are both familiar with him.

Based on what we know, I’d wager that Everyman is a lightner—specifically, a monster.  I say this for two reasons: 1.) so far we’ve only seen lightners (Kris and Susie) travel between both worlds, and 2.) this would explain Everyman’s appearance as one of Reaper Bird’s attacks in Undertale’s True Lab.

Why did Everyman appear in the True Lab?

The worlds of Undertale and Deltarune are connected. Toby has all-but-confirmed this himself.

[Image transcript: A screenshot from the official Deltarune website’s question-and-answer page. The question says “So there’s no connections between the two games?”. The answer says “It’s a different world that might even have different rules. That doesn’t mean there will be no connections at all though.” End image transcript.]

One major connection between Undertale and Deltarune is their largely-shared cast of characters. Many major characters from Undertale make an appearance in Deltarune’s first chapter, and Toby has shown that at least some characters from Deltarune’s universe have counterparts in the Undertale universe as well.

The Undertale Alarm Clock App makes reference to Rudolph Holiday living in the Underground some time prior to the events of Undertale.

[Image transcript: A dialogue box where Asgore says “Rudy... loved the holidays, you know.” End image transcript.]

This dialogue also strongly implies that Undertale’s universe has a counterpart for Noelle.

[Image transcript: Another dialogue box from Asgore. He says: “With a warm slice of fruitcake on the table. His youngest daughter peeking shyly from around the corner...” End image transcript]

Depending on how one interprets the Clamgirl NPC’s dialogue, there may or may not be an Undertale version of Susie (aka “Suzy”) too.

[Image transcript: Two Undertale screenshots side-by-side. In the left screenshot, Clamgirl tells Frisk: “Synchronicity...? My neighbor’s daughter looks about your age.” In the right screenshot her dialogue continues: “Her name is ‘Suzy.’ I feel like you two should be friends.” End image transcript.]

I’d argue that Everyman also had a “counterpart” in Undertale’s universe who lived as a monster in the Underground. Much like Rudy, the Underground’s Everyman likely grew old and eventually “fell down”. But unlike Rudy, Everyman was sent to the True Lab for the royal scientist’s soul experiments and became part of the Reaper Bird amalgamate.

This would fit with the pattern that we see with most other amalgamates, namely that they each seem to be made up of one named/noteworthy monster combined with several other generic monsters. The formula goes like this:

Lemon Bread = Shyra (Shyren’s Sister) + Aaron + Moldbygg

Endogeny = Muttler + various dog enemies

Snowdrake Mother = Crystal (Snowdrake’s Mom) + Vegetoids(?)

Reaper Bird = Everyman + Astigmatism + Whimsalot + Final Froggit

The Memoryheads seem to not “fit” with the other amalgamates, perhaps intentionally, so I’ll leave them out for now.

Long story short: Everyman was most likely a monster since he was part of an amalgamate and (as far as we know) amalgamates can only be made of monsters.

Why Everyman will have a bigger role in Deltarune

We see in Deltarune that three of the monsters who became amalgamates in Undertale have since passed away. This fits a trend I’ve noticed of Toby trying to “explain” the absence of characters who are prominent in one of his games but not the other.

The examples I cited above of Rudy, Noelle, and (possibly) Susie existing in Undertale’s universe also serve as “excuses” for where those characters were and why they were absent from the events of Undertale’s story. Rudy was dead and Noelle and “Suzy” were living with their families (presumably) in parts of the Underground where Frisk never ventured.

Shyra, Muttler, and Crystal are similarly “excused” from Deltarune’s story when the graveyard informs the player of their passing. Gerson is likewise excluded from Deltarune due to having passed away before the events of the game.

Conveniently, Everyman is not listed among the amalgamate monsters who have passed away in Hometown, and the alleyway graffiti implies he’s alive and well.

We know that Deltarune’s timeline and character ages don’t match up perfectly with Undertale’s—Deltarune Asriel is still alive and slightly older than Kris, who’s roughly the same age as DR Monster Kid. Conversely, Undertale Asriel died long before Frisk entered the Underground, yet Frisk is still seemingly in the same age bracket as UT Monster Kid (who’s barely younger than Asriel in Deltarune). Like Rudy, we can assume that Deltarune’s Everyman is younger than the Everyman who “fell down” in the Underground.

What will Everyman’s role be?

Remember when I said this was a two-part theory? Well, here’s the second half of my theory: Everyman is the Knight.

[Image transcript: A text box that says “Yes, you read that correctly.” End image transcript.]

Yes, the same Knight mentioned by Seam, Jevil, and the King of Spades. The same Knight who’s pulling new dark fountains out of the earth and who’s implied to be a major antagonist in the full game.

I could hedge my bets by saying Everyman is merely “connected” to the Knight, but if the Knight is a character we already know of then I think Everyman is the most likely candidate.

Let’s start with the name: Everyman’s sprites are titled “strangeman” in Undertale’s files. The very first mention we get of the Knight in Deltarune is Seam describing a “strange knight” who appeared, complete with red font for emphasis.

[Image transcript: Seam speaking inside of a shop, saying: “But, recently, a strange knight appeared... And three of the kings were locked away.” End image transcript.]

The word “strange” seems to be used selectively and very deliberately in Deltarune’s first chapter. Here’s a breakdown of all the times it’s used:

Seam referring to the knight

Seam referring to the Knight’s “strange son” (more on that later)

Telling Seam about Jevil (”Strange Prisoner”)

Seam referring to the “strange someone” that Jevil met

Seam mentioning the “strange words” Jevil said

Rouxls Kaard referring to Lancer (”a strange and irritating darling!”)

Narration before Kris seals the dark fountain (”You felt something strange.”)

Flavor text during the Jevil fight (”Kris gazed strangely”)

The Devilsknife/Jevilstail appearing in a “strange chest” outside of Jevil’s cell upon defeating him (this may be dummied out or only triggers if your inventory is full of weapons/armors and Jevil can’t give his item to you)

The description of the key to Jevil’s cell (”something feels strange about it”)

With the exception of the line from Rouxls Kaard, every instance of “strange” somehow connects to the Knight or Jevil. If the Knight is indeed the “strange someone” who Jevil met then the list tightens even further, to the point where all but one use of the word “strange” is associated with a single character and his handiwork—a very “strange man”, as it were. Speaking of Jevil...

Jevil’s connection to the Knight and Everyman

Jevil’s fight is one of two places where Everyman appears in Deltarune chapter 1. Not only that, but Everyman’s sprite only appears as a rare event during Jevil’s carousel attack, implying that his appearance is somehow significant.

Interestingly enough, the other two sprites that appear during this attack are one with a head that vaguely resembles Mysteryman (believed to be Gaster) and another with the head of a horse, a.k.a. the same as a knight piece on a chess board. It’s also worth pointing out that it’s rarer for the Everyman sprite to appear than it is for either of the other two sprites to appear.

We can also see the Everyman sprite represented in the official Chaos Revolving Keychain from Fangamer.

Jevil mentions the Knight once you defeat him, showing that he has knowledge of his existence.

[Image transcript: Jevil saying “THE HAND OF THE KNIGHT IS DRIFTING FORWARD.” End image transcript.]

This is interesting since Seam’s dialogue implies that Jevil was imprisoned well before the Knight overthrew the three kings at Card Castle. I can think of three possible explanations for this seeming timeline discrepancy:

Jevil is somehow intrinsically “aware” of things that go on outside of his cell

The Knight or someone else visited Jevil in jail to tell him about what happened with the three kings

The Knight is the same “strange someone” that Jevil met before he was locked up

The first explanation is the least likely, imo, due to Jevil asking who Kris, Ralsei, and Susie are when he first meets them.

[Image transcript: Two Deltarune screenshots side-by-side. In the left screenshot, Jevil is talking to the fun gang and he says: “BUT LO, THREE VISITORS STANDING INSIDE?” This continues in the right screenshot, where Jevil says: “WHO ARE YOU FEW?” End image transcript.]

If Jevil was aware of the outside world then he’d surely know of the fun gang’s antics by that point.

The second explanation doesn’t seem very likely either. Seam is the only character who acknowledges Jevil’s existence and we never see Seam visit Card Castle, even after the Spade King has been overthrown.

[Image transcript: Two Deltarune screenshots side-by-side. In the left screenshot, Jack Person tells the fun gang: “By the by, I asked Seam to come here, but...” Continuing onto the right screenshot, where Jack Person finishes by saying “There wasn’t any interest.” End image transcript.]

Jevil’s cell doesn’t seem to have any guards and it’s kept on its own floor, so that would rule out Jevil hearing about the knight from other prisoners.

If someone in the castle brings food to Jevil then he may have overheard it from them, but even that is speculative. Does Jevil even need to eat? He says his body “cannot be killed,” after all.

[Image transcript: Jevil saying “THIS BODY CANNOT BE KILLED!” End image transcript.]

And I’m not sure if the King of Spades would be so accommodating towards a dangerous prisoner.

That just leaves the third explanation, which seems the most likely to me. It’s also the tidiest explanation for how Jevil would be aware of both the Knight and Everyman—they’re the same person.

We can only speculate as to why the “strange someone” caused Jevil to run amok. If that strange someone was the Knight then I would assume that setting Jevil loose may have been his attempt to overthrow or destabilize Card Castle’s leadership. We know that the Knight eventually overthrew the three other kings himself, so that may have been his plan B after Jevil failed or he merely wished to remove Jevil as an obstacle. Either way, the Knight toppled the quadrumvirate and installed the Spade King as the protector of Card Castle’s dark fountain.

The Spade King’s clue

The Spade King is the closest ally of the Knight that we’ve seen so far. The exact nature of their relationship isn’t fully known, but the King’s words imply that he reveres and is loyal to the Knight.

[Image description: Four Deltarune screenshots arranged in a grid. In the top-left, the King of Spades says “By the Knight’s will, I shall shatter your heart to pieces!”. In the top-right, the King says “For the KNIGHT has appeared.” In the bottom-left, the King says “The KNIGHT that pulls the Fountains from the Earth.” In the bottom-right, the King says “My KNIGHT... I shall not fail you...” End image transcript.]

Both characters share an interest in maintaining the existence of dark fountains, given that the Knight has been said to create new fountains by pulling them up from the Earth.

Unlike Jevil, the Spade King’s attacks never make explicit reference to Everyman’s visage, but he does give a possible nod that many players have overlooked. When the Spade King is defeated, he makes a curious gesture by letting his cloak fly away like a butterfly.

While this may be a simple artistic flourish, I always found this moment to be odd and unfitting for a brutish character like the King. It’s also worth pointing out how the King’s cloak is clearly not a part of his body, unlike what’s implied with Lancer’s “clothes”.

[Image transcript: Two Deltarune screenshots side-by-side. In the left screenshot, the battle narration says: “You tell Lancer you can’t tell the difference between his clothes and his body.” The narration continues in the right screenshot, saying “He seems flattered... His ATTACK POWER went down!” End transcript.]

What if the King didn’t always have that butterfly-shaped cloak? Did someone give it to him? Think of where else we’ve seen butterfly motifs before.

At first blush, this seems obvious—the Reaper Bird is clearly made from the Core mercenaries, including Whimsalot. Whimsalot attacks with butterfly bullets, so that’s where Reaper Bird got them from, right? Case closed. Well, not so fast.

It turns out there are two different sets of butterfly bullets in Undertale’s game files, and Reaper Bird’s are different from Whimsalot’s.

[Image transcript: Two groups of butterfly bullet sprites. The left group is labeled “Whimsun / Whimsalot.” The right group is labeled “Reaper Bird”. End image transcript.]

Notice how Reaper Bird’s butterflies are smaller and have pointier, more symmetrical wings? While those differences could be chalked up to limited pixel resolution, it’s interesting how Toby went out of his way to create an entirely unique set of butterfly bullets for Reaper Bird when it arguably would have made more sense for him to recycle the Whimsun butterflies like he did for Whimsalot.

If you want to compare the sprites for yourself I suggest either looking at the game files directly or looking at an actual playthrough of Undertale. I’ve noticed that Spriter’s Resource mistakenly has Reaper Bird’s butterflies listed under Whimsun’s sprite sheet (which is a completely understandable mix-up).

To drive the point home, notice the string names that are used for these butterflies:

[Image transcript: An UTModTool window showing multiple named strings. Highlighted in red are six strings that each contain “obj_strangeman_butterfly” in their names. End image transcript.]

They’re “strangeman” butterflies. Not “amalgamate” or “Reaper Bird” butterflies (despite Reaper Bird having its own share of dedicated strings and named sprites), and they’re not “Whimsalot” butterflies either. Toby clearly delineates them as belonging to strangeman, a.k.a. Everyman, meaning that Everyman is specifically associated with butterfly imagery. The Spade King also makes use of butterfly imagery immediately after he mentions the Knight in his final turn.

Between the King and Jevil, this makes two characters that can be linked to both Everyman and the Knight.

Additional Evidence

Let’s circle back to Reaper Bird for a second. It’s commonly known that this amalgamate is made from Astigmatism, Final Froggit, and Whimsalot. To wit:

These enemies are part of the mercenary group that Mettaton hires to attack you in the Core. Have you ever noticed how out-of-place they seem? Almost every other set of enemies in the game is somehow themed around their environment — Snowdin enemies are ice creatures, Hotland enemies are fire/lava-themed, etc. These mercenaries are themed around medieval warfare and yet they show up in the Core, the most high-tech area in the entire Underground.

What’s even stranger is that this medieval theme seems to come out of nowhere. Astigmatism, Final Froggit, and Whimsalot act as “upgraded” versions of Loox, Froggit, and Whimsun, respectively. And yet their Ruins counterparts don’t have any medieval theming whatsoever—it was added purely for the mercenaries. For whatever reason they’re all dressed like a bunch of wizards and... knights.

[Image transcript: Two Undertale screenshots side-by-side. In the left screenshot, a Core NPC says “Why do I look like a black sausage and not a knight or a wizard?” This continues on the right, where it says “Well... Everyone has an angle they look best from.” End image transcript.]

That’s not my interpretation of their designs—the game outright calls them knights.

On the one hand, it’s true that Asgore’s royal guards also dress up like knights, but the Core mercenaries are explicitly not part of the royal guard—they’re mercenaries.

[Image transcript: Battle flavor text that states “Mercenaries emerge from the shadows.” End image transcript.]

Assuming that Asgore has a dress code for his guards or is just old-fashioned in his sensibilities, there’s still no reason why fighters outside of the guard should follow their standard. Even some of the royal sentries don’t follow this theming, as seen with Doggo and Sans (who’s technically a sentry):

With the abundance of knight-themed royal guard and sentry enemies that exist already, Toby could’ve easily designed the Core Mercenaries to more accurately fit with the Core’s futuristic theme. Doesn’t it seem a little too coincidental that Everyman would wind up as part of the same amalgamate as these otherwise out-of-place knights?

When we look at the other amalgamates, we can see that Lemon Bread (a.k.a. Shyren’s sister) is made up of Waterfall enemies. Endogeny is made up entirely of dog-based enemies. These two amalgamates each have a “theme” for their component monsters that fits the “main” named monster they’re each made of, and Reaper Bird has a clear theme of its own. Why would Everyman be paired with a bunch of knights if he was not connected to them in some way?

Even the Undertale artbook groups Everyman’s concept art with the Core Mercenaries, specifically the ones that look the most like knights and wizards in-game. The book also repeats the name “Everyman” and Toby’s cryptic phrase of “Just a good guy who shows up on occasion.”

Perhaps Everyman knew the Core mercenaries when he was alive? Were they his fellow knights? Or did they work for him before he fell down and they had to then lend their services elsewhere?

“The Knight? Seriously?”

Some of you may be shaking your heads dismissively at the idea of Everyman being the Knight (or you more likely clicked over to another tab by now). I mean, just look at the guy:

What part of this design makes you think “knight”, let alone THE Knight? Well, Seam does refer to the Knight as a “strange” knight, and Everyman certainly fits that bill. But more importantly, we haven’t seen an actual overworld sprite for Everyman yet—we’ve only seen some graffiti and a couple of magic bullet attacks, which are always abstract and simplified.

Not pictured: Froggit, Migosp, Temmie, Moldbygg, Tsunderplane, Mettaton, or Endogeny.

Everyman’s “proper” design would almost certainly differ from his Pillsbury Doughboy-esque bullet sprite, especially if he’s wearing a cloak or a suit of armor. And even if his design doesn’t differ that much, so what? It’s not like this series has ever had an opponent that looks goofy or non-threatening, right?

Another little tidbit I noticed: one of Reaper Bird’s attacks consists of Everyman repeatedly removing his own head.

Or maybe it’s not his head? Perhaps it’s a helmet? Like one that a knight would wear? After all, it’s not unheard of for helmets to have beak-like protrusions.

And this is a series where helmets can come in any shape or size to better fit the needs of the wearer.

Just some food for thought.

The Gaster connection

It’s time to address the elephant in the room: “Isn’t Gaster supposed to be the Knight?” If you haven’t heard by now, this is one of the prevailing theories in the fandom. To be honest, if the Knight ends up not being Everyman then Gaster is the next-best candidate, imo, but these two theories don’t have to be mutually-exclusive. I think a case can be made that Everyman and Gaster are connected in some way.

Let me say up front that this section is highly speculative (unlike the previous sections, which clearly aren’t the least bit speculative). We’re dealing with two super-obscure characters who’ve yet to make a proper on-screen appearance in either game. It’s already hard enough to figure out how either of them connect to the broader Undertale universe, let alone to each other, but I’ll give it a shot.

For starters, we can affirm that both Gaster and Everyman are linked to the True Lab. There’s no shortage of fan theories and speculation on Gaster’s prior usage of the True Lab in his own experiments and I won’t get into all that here, but suffice it to say the True Lab has Gaster’s name written all over it.

(Am I the only one who thinks the DT Extractor looks more like Everyman’s head than it does a Gaster Blaster? Forget I said anything.)

We’ve covered how Everyman appears as one of Reaper Bird’s attacks. Interestingly, the amalgamate Memoryhead has an attack that resembles the head of Mysteryman, the figure believed to be Gaster (which I’ll assume here for simplicity’s sake).

If we follow the logic of my prior “Everyman is the named/important monster that makes up Reaper Bird, fitting the pattern of other amalgamates” argument, then Gaster (or pieces of him) could fill the same role for the Memoryheads.

Everyman and Gaster’s sprites both have the suffix of “man” in Undertale’s game files. Here are all the sprites that use this same naming scheme:

strangeman - Everyman

mysteryman - “Gaster”

snowman - gives you the snowman piece

riverman - a.k.a. River Person

darkman - the shadowy overworld sprites used for the Core Mercenaries

watchingman - The spoon-shaped amalgamate that tucks Frisk into bed

The snowman’s inclusion is a bit of a fluke, because what else would you call a snowman without using “man” in the name? If we exclude the snowman, each instance of “man” represents a mysterious figure that ties back to Everyman and/or Gaster.

We’ve already covered the connection between Everyman and the Core Mercenaries, and it’s easy to connect the “watchingman” amalgamate with the True Lab. River Person is also frequently linked to Gaster in fan theories (and they allude to “the man from the other world” and “the man who speaks in hands”), so what we’re left with is a close-knit community of strange, mysterious "man”s.

This naming scheme looks very intentional on Toby’s part, and he seems to be continuing it in Deltarune by referring to the secret unseen NPC who gives you the egg behind the tree in Scarlet Forest as simply “a man.”

[Image transcript: Narration from the secret egg room. The text box states: “(Well, there is a man here.)” End image transcript]

The Knight’s “Strange Son”?

Remember when I said I’d get back to the Knight’s “strange son”? That’s now. I’m a little iffy on this topic because it involves stacking a whole ton of assumptions onto a single line of dialogue that’s phrased in an ambiguous way. But, if it means what I think it means, it could shed a ton of light on Everyman’s possible connection to Gaster and whether either of them are the Knight.

When you ask Seam about the “Kingdom”, Seam says this:

[Image transcript: Three of Seam’s text boxes arranged vertically. In order, they read: “Historically, this land was ruled by the Four Kings, from CARD CASTLE to the East. But, recently, a strange knight appeared... And three of the kings were locked away. The remaining king put him and his strange son into power.” End image transcript]

Let’s focus on that last sentence. On my first playthrough I misread this line as “the knight put the king and his strange son into power” because that sounds a lot closer to the events that happened—the Spade King and his “strange son” Lancer are in power now because the three kings were locked away, presumably by the Knight.

But the actual text states the opposite—the remaining king (Spade King) put him (the Knight) and his strange son (i.e., the Knight’s son) into power. Or does it? The line could also read as—the remaining king (Spade King) put him (the Knight) and his (the King’s) strange son (Lancer) into power. The second way is  awkwardly-structured but technically valid. And this is assuming that Toby didn’t make any grammatical errors when he typed these lines, which he has done on occasion.

[Image transcript: A dialogue box where Dr. Alphys says “I felt so guilty knowing I hadn’t do anything to stop you.” End image transcript.]

Not to be too hard on Toby, but even if Seam’s line is grammatically correct it’s still clunky and murky in its conception—at this point in the game we’ve only just been introduced to Lancer and the fact that his dad is the King, and now this line is potentially introducing yet another father/son duo that is closely connected with Lancer’s dad—is it any wonder that this line is often glossed over by fans?

The second reading, where Lancer is the “strange son,” is also awkward because the Spade King would have little need to put Lancer “into power”. Lancer was already a prince and, presumably, already wielded power in that role. Various NPCs make reference to Lancer bossing them around, and such a thing could’ve easily happened before the three kings were deposed.

If we take Seam’s line with the first reading (where the Knight has a “strange son”) and assume there were no grammatical errors, then this is the only time in chapter 1 that the Knight is ever referred to as having a son. It’s also the only time that the Knight is addressed with pronouns, implying that the Knight is male. If true, this would rule out the theory that Kris (or any potential alter ego that Kris has) is the knight, since Kris is neither male nor do they have a son. This would also rule out Susie, who’s never been a popular contender for being the Knight but is referred to as a “dark knight” on her stats page.

Who made who?

So then, who’s male, widely believed to be the Knight, and is often depicted as having one or more sons?

This (alleged) guy!

“But wait,” you might ask, “isn’t your theory that Everyman is the Knight?” Well, the Knight and his “strange son” seem to be working as a duo in the scenario that Seam outlines, given that the Spade King put both of them “into power.”

Because of Everyman’s connections to the Knight that I��ve laid out, plus the more popular theory that Gaster is the Knight, it’s possible that one may be the Knight and the other may be the Knight’s “strange son.” The way I see it, it doesn’t make a huge difference which one is which.

Now, I don’t think that Gaster and Everyman would be father and son in the strict biological sense. There are a number of reasons for this, but for starters I’m not even sure if Everyman and Gaster are the same species. My inclination is that Everyman is a monster, while Gaster may be a darkner. The latter is mostly my own guess and springboards off of a popular theory that Sans is a darkner, but it’s a whole other can of worms that I won’t get into now.

More importantly, Gaster is strongly implied to have some sort of connection to Sans and Papyrus. All three of them are also connected with special fonts that they each use. As far as I can tell, there’s no widely-used font by the name of “Everyman”, so this would imply that Everyman is not a skeleton and therefore not biologically related to them. However, there’s more than one way to start a family.

Gaster was the royal scientist in Undertale’s universe and it’s not out of the realm of possibility that he (or his potential Deltarune counterpart) could find the means to create life forms artificially.

[Image transcript: The vessel creation scene from Deltarune. The on-screen text says “YOU HAVE CREATED A WONDERFUL FORM.” End image transcript.]

Everyman could be a creation of Gaster’s and thus he’d be Gaster’s “son”.

There’s also another possibility: Everyman is Gaster’s creator. We know that the Knight is pulling new dark fountains out of the Earth. I think the Knight, regardless of who they are, must be able to survive without a dark fountain to give their body form, otherwise they wouldn’t be able to venture into areas where new fountains have yet to be pulled up. The Knight is almost certainly a lightner, and I’ve already detailed why I think Everyman is a lightner as well.

We don’t fully understand how dark fountains interact with darkners, but it’s stated multiple times that dark fountains “give form” to the Dark World.

[Image transcript: Two Deltarune screenshots side-by-side. In the left screenshot, Ralsei’s narration says “Today the FOUNTAIN OF DARKNESS-” and continues into the right screenshot, saying: “The geyser that gives this land form-” End image transcript.]

In the dummied-out manual pages, Ralsei also mentions how his dark fountain gives his body form.

[Image transcript: Ralsei’s manual excerpt, whic says “Dedicated to The unending pillar of darkness that gives my body form.” End image transcript]

Darkners need dark fountains in order to maintain their forms. They may not even be able to survive at all without them. From this point of view, when the Knight creates new dark fountains he’s bringing new darkners to life. If Gaster is a darkner himself, then it’s not unthinkable to imagine that Everyman may have brought him to life in this way and could thus be called his “father”. Seam does refer to lightners as the “creators” of darkners, after all.

[Image transcript: Seam’s dialogue box saying “They were like Gods to us. Our protectors. Our creators. Those who gave us purpose...” End image transcript.]

Ultimately the question of who’s the father and who’s the son is purely speculative. We don’t even know for sure if the Knight has a son, let alone whether it’s Everyman, Gaster, or someone else entirely. It’s very much a “the chicken or the egg?” kind of question.

[Image transcript: Two images. The right is a screenshot of the egg room with narration stating “(You received an Egg)”. End image transcript.]

Hmm...

“Seriously, who is Everyman?”

Let’s bring this home with the question we started with: Who is Everyman? I’ve gone into evidence that he existed as an actual person in Undertale and will likely play a role in Deltarune, but this doesn’t tell us much about the kind of character he is. We don’t even know if “Everyman” is his real name.

If Everyman is indeed a prominent character in Deltarune then there are two possibilities: 1.) he’s a brand new character we’ve never met before, or 2.) he’s someone that we have met before. The first option, while a strong possibility, doesn’t leave us with much to talk about, so let’s look at the second.

Right out the gate I can confidently say that Everyman is not a character that we talked to or had significant interaction with in Undertale. The obvious reason is that he was busy being stuck inside Reaper Bird and he couldn’t have been in two places at once (as far as we know). This means that Everyman would have to be a character introduced in Deltarune chapter 1.

I’ve said before that I believe Everyman is a lightner, so this would rule out any dark world characters. That leaves us with the residents of Hometown who didn’t have direct counterparts in Undertale’s story.

After careful consideration I’ve narrowed the field to two suspects:

Father Alvin

Father Alvin has always struck me as an oddity. He seems like an important member of Hometown’s community, and yet none of the other residents ever talk about him. He’s also conspicuously absent from Undertale’s universe.

The most notable thing about Father Alvin is that his church seems to worship “the Angel”.

[Image transcript: Father Alvin saying “Let the Angel’s power light your way.” End image transcript.]

Ralsei’s prophecy states that the three heroes must seal the dark fountains in order to banish the “Angel’s Heaven.”

[Image transcript: Two Deltaunre screenshots side-by-side. In the left screenshot, Ralsei’s narration says “Only they can seal the fountains.” The right screenshot continues, saying: “And banish the ANGEL’S HEAVEN.” End image transcript.]

This would put the heroes at odds with both the Knight (who’s creating fountains) and whoever is serving this Angel. We can only speculate on the Knight’s motives, but what if he’s acting in service to the Angel?

Something that isn’t brought up much in the fandom is the religious reverence that darkners give to their fountains. The King of Spades refers to the fountains that the Knight creates as “holy” fountains.

[Image transcript: Two Deltarune screenshots side-by-side. In the left screenshot, the King of Spades says “Holy Fountains, whose shadows are creating a new world...” The right screenshot continues, saying “OUR world.” End image transcript.]

The soundtrack that plays at the Fountain is called “The Holy.” Dark fountains can seemingly create life, so it’s easy to imagine the Knight viewing his own mission as some sort of holy rite.

As far as evidence goes for Alvin being Everyman/the Knight, the biggest clue is the drawing signed by Alvin that shows up in the supply closet at the end of chapter 1.

Every other object in the closet represents a part of the dark world that Kris and Susie visited, and yet at no point do they encounter a dark world manifestation of this drawing. We know that the Knight visited Card Castle previously, so this drawing could be meant to represent the Knight’s presence in that part of the dark world.

It’s also worth noting how most of the closet’s toys are arranged from left to right in the order that Kris and Susie encountered them on their journey. Alvin’s drawing is on the far right, just past the open cabinet drawer (i.e., Card Castle), implying that Alvin’s drawing was either at the fountain or that it was effectively the “next” thing that Kris and Susie would’ve encountered if they had stayed.

It’s hard to make out what the drawing could be beyond being a “poorly-drawn picture of a green turtle”, as the flavor text explains. Could it be Everyman? Or is it just a reference to Bold and Brash? Both? Neither? The world may never know. Or it may know when the full game comes out.

Can I also add how strange it is that Alvin’s drawing is in the closet to begin with? Alvin looks to be a pretty old dude, so why would his drawing still be in a school that he no longer attends? I don’t have an answer, I just think it’s weird.

Other clues that could point to Alvin being Everyman are that he is, scientifically speaking, old-looking, which would line up with my hypothesis of Undertale’s Everyman being an older monster who fell down before becoming Reaper Bird.

Alvin also vaguely resembles Everyman as far as their proportions are concerned.

It’s by no means a perfect match, especially if we factor in Alvin’s shell, but both characters possess a round head with some sort of beak or proboscis.

If Everyman actually is Father Alvin, then the title “Everyman” could be a reference to The Summoning of Everyman, a 15th-century religious morality play. I won’t get into the specifics here, but the play focuses on a character named Everyman who must prepare for his inevitable death and judgment for his deeds in life. I don’t really know how much that would tie into Deltarune’s themes or if it’s even a deliberate reference to begin with, so make of it what you will.

Father Alvin was the first character that I suspected of being Everyman when I started writing this theory, but there’s one major sticking point that prevents me from fully embracing the idea: the fact that he lacks a character portrait for his dialogue boxes.

This may seem like a minor nitpick, but dialogue portraits indicate when a character is important to the story, and it would be a pretty big oversight on Toby’s part if a (presumably) recurring antagonist wasn’t given a portrait. Even a three-scene wonder like Rouxls Kaard was given a portrait.

It’s true that recurring characters like Napstablook and Monster Kid weren’t given portraits in Undertale...

But Deltarune has greatly expanded the number of characters with portraits this time around, and we can already infer that Noelle (who had a portrait in chapter 1) will be an important character going forward:

Given Alvin’s limited dialogue in chapter 1 and his lack of a portrait, I’m more inclined to believe that he’ll end up being a minor character, in which case he’d almost certainly not be the Knight (and therefore not Everyman). But who knows, maybe Toby will give him a portrait in the full game.

Thankfully, we have another candidate who might be Everyman:

The Ice-E’s Employees

You think I’m joking? Trust me, you’ll know when I’m joking.

I didn’t initially make the connection between Ice-E’s and Everyman until I saw a post from @curioscurio​ that pointed me in that direction.

Let’s go back to the Everyman graffiti that appears in Hometown.

Notice how the drawing right next to it resembles Ice-E’s head? I can’t believe this was staring me in the face the whole time and I never realized the connection.

Another point in favor of the Ice-E’s workers is that we don’t even know what two of them look like. We know that Burgerpants is one, and another is implied to be the Nice Cream Bunny that we met in Undertale.

[Image transcript: Two Deltarune screenshots side-by-side. In the left screenshot, the Ice-E’s employee says “Psst, can I tell you a mascot secret? I only started working here because...” The right screenshot continues, saying “The logo made me think it was an ice-cream shop...” End image transcript.]

But this still leaves the “purple guy” and “The Warrior”, who remain in full costume for chapter 1, meaning that one of them could resemble Everyman underneath their mask.

Speaking of The Warrior, he certainly fits the bill as being “strange.” His title wouldn’t be out of place among the likes of The Knight, and his dialogue refers to the hospital’s medical staff as “white wizards”, which fits with the medieval theming that’s associated with Everyman’s mercenary cohorts in Undertale.

[Image transcript: Two Deltarune screenshots side-by-side. In the left screenshot, the Warrior says “This castle’s WHITE WIZARDs relegated me to this HEALING CHAMBER...” The right screenshot continues, saying “But my BLOOD is BOILING FOR BATTLE!!!” End image transcript.]

Speaking of the Core Mercenaries, here’s an interesting tidbit:

[Image transcript: Two Undertale screenshots side-by-side. In the left screenshot, a Core NPC says “As a youth, I would sneak out to play by this creepy flaming pit.” The right screenshot continues, saying “Since the CORE is always re-arranging, it was like a game trying to find it.” End image transcript.]

I used to assume that the Core Mercenaries were older monsters who fought in the human-monster war, which would explain their insistence on dressing up as old-timey knights and wizards. However, these lines of dialogue imply that the Mercenaries are far younger—young enough to visit the Core when they were kids.

So why would a bunch of younger monsters dress up like old-school knights and wizards? Simple: they’re LARPers. This would explain why their more casual overworld dialogue doesn’t match their overly-serious battle dialogue whatsoever—the battle is over and, thus, so is the act.

What does this have to do with Ice-E’s? Simple. The Warrior is also a LARPer. But he takes it a step further and never lets the act slip. According to Burgerpants, he terrorizes customers with war chants during his day job, and we see him keeping up the act while he’s injured in the hospital. It’s clear that he’s living in a fantasy world, and someone like that would have every reason to spend time in a strange dark world that “seems like” fantasy.

[Image transcript: Lyrics from Deltarune’s credits theme. It says: “And the places that you know seem like fantasy”. End image transcript.]

Someone like him could grow attached to such a place and want to see it spread as far and wide as possible, with no regard for how it would affect the boring “real world”. All he’d need to do is create new dark fountains to sustain this fantasy world.

I also find it interesting that The Warrior is in the hospital during chapter 1. Burgerpants claims that this is the result of “pizza-related injuries.”

[Image transcript: Two dialogue boxes from Burgerpants. Read from top to bottom, it says “The Warrior - Thankfully absent due to pizza-related injuries. Constantly terrorizing customers with war chants.” End image transcript.]

But what if there was another reason? We can see signs of “some kind of struggle” in the King of Spade’s throne room, complete with tattered wall banners.

[Image transcript: Narration in the Spade King’s throne room. The text box says “(Wall banners. They seem to have been through some kind of struggle...)” End image transcript.]

What if the Knight sustained injuries when he overthrew the three kings and had to go to the hospital afterwards? A “struggle” implies that there was some resistance involved.

Another interesting coincidence is that the previews for Deltarune Chapter 2 strongly imply that it will take place in a dark world that forms in the hospital.

Earlier previews have also implied that Noelle will have a larger role in Chapter 2, and she’d have every reason to be in the hospital visiting her father when things hit the fan.

It feels awfully convenient that a new dark world springs up right in the spot where the Warrior is. I wouldn’t be surprised if chapter 2 gives us our first glimpse of the Knight in person, and what better way than a surprise run-in with the Warrior?

Some of you may be asking why I’d suggest a minor character like The Warrior might be the Knight when he has a single line of dialogue and no dialogue portrait? Simple: characters tend not to have portraits when their face is hidden from view. We see this with Undyne in Undertale:

She doesn’t gain a dialogue portrait until after she removes her helmet. This is also true of Burgerpants in Deltarune.

So, unlike Father Alvin, The Warrior has an excuse for not having a dialogue portrait yet. While Father Alvin has some compelling evidence supporting him being the Knight/Everyman, The Warrior has no major counter-argument that I can think of (unlike Father “no portrait” Alvin), so I give The Warrior the edge as far as Everyman suspects go.

I’d also like point out that if Gaster ends up not being the Knight or the Knight’s “Strange Son,” then we could get a two-for-one deal of Father Alvin as the Knight and The Warrior as his strange son. Definitely not the most likely outcome, but technically possible! I’d imagine those two would have a hilariously awkward dynamic if they were related.

Closing Summary

Wow, this post went on for a while! Let’s summarize what we’ve learned today.

Everyman (in Undertale)

Was likely a monster who “fell down”

Became part of the Reaper Bird Amalgamate

Likely knew the Core Mercenaries

Is connected to butterfly imagery

Described as “strange”

May or may not have looked like his bullet sprite

May or may not have been connected to “mysteryman”/Gaster

May or may not have been connected to the River Person

Everyman (in Deltarune)

Is alive and active

Is known to both lightners and darkners

Can most likely travel between the light and dark worlds

Is known of by Jevil

May or may not resemble his Undertale bullet sprite

May or may not be connected to “mysteryman”/Gaster

May or may not be Father Alvin

May or may not be an Ice-E’s employee

May or may not be the Knight or the Knight’s “strange son”

The Knight

Described as “strange”

Is pulling up new dark fountains from the Earth

Has been to the dark world

Is possibly a lightner/monster

Is connected to the Spade King, who uses butterfly imagery

Overthrew the other three kings at Card Castle

Is known of by Jevil and Seam

May or may not be Everyman

May or may not be “mysteryman”/Gaster

May or may not be the “strange someone” who changed Jevil

Likely male

Likely has a “strange son”

Everyman and the Knight (similarities)

Both are likely monsters

Both are alive and active in Deltarune’s world

Both are (presumably) male

Both have a presence in the dark world

Both are known by Jevil and may have met him previously

Both are associated with butterfly imagery to some degree

Both are connected to knight imagery

Both are described as “strange”

Both may be connected to “mysteryman”/Gaster

Both are foreshadowed in Deltarune chapter 1

Final Conclusions

So what do I really think? I’m reminded of Undertale’s original Kickstarter demo and how much of the full game’s story was left out of it. Right now we’re in a similar situation with Deltarune. I can’t view any of my theories with certainty because at the end of the day I have no idea what Toby’s going to write for the full game, but I can guess.

If I had to put a number to it, I’d say the odds of Everyman making further appearances in Deltarune is 95% and the odds of him being the Knight is about 66%. There’s always the possibility that Gaster will usurp the title of Knight and leave Everyman as the Knight’s “strange son” or as the far less illustrious role of “no one particularly important”.

If Everyman is in the game, I’d give 50/50 odds that he’s one of the Ice-E’s employees, mainly due to the Warrior’s situation lining up well with Chapter 2′s (likely) setting. I’d then give a 25% chance it’s Father Alvin and the remaining 25% as “anyone else”.

Thanks for reading all of this (or skipping to the end). I’ve seen hardly anyone talk about our favorite strange little man and I just wanted to get the word about him out there. Even if you don’t agree with my conclusions, I’m happy to (hopefully) ignite further discussion over this often-overlooked character.

For now I’ve said all that I can say on the topic. All we can do is wait and see what happens. Fingers crossed.

Special thanks to @curioscurio​ for inspiring me to make this post in the first place.

Date published: December 10th, 2020

[hxllo-nana]

So I just wanted to ask about this:

"Pilot Intro Animation: 100% complete (will be out in march)"

Because I don't think it has come out yet?

And I am excited for it.

No rush though!

I just really love Bonnytale! I love everyone's designs and ur descriptions of them and how magic, flowers (I love the flowers stuff), GB's, and/or stuff works in Bonnytale.

I think my favorite designs so far/right now in Bonnytale are Undyne, Sans and Paps and their GB's, Frisk and Chara, and Gaster! But the designs look great for everyone.

Been loving all the Bonnyale stuff u have released. A lot of them is very funny, pretty, cute, interesting, etc.

Bonnytale is just such a cool AU!

Loved the art u did for Distorttale I think, of Priest!Sans and Demon/Demon-Possessed Paps?; either way, that art looked creepy, dark, and cool.

That was some nice Killer art u did too. I love Dust more, but I do also love Killer a lot too!

Last but not least, I love ur "Undertale/DustTale: Dead Ringer" series so much! I have a lot to say about it, but I will probably save that for the YouTube comments of those videos for that series on YouTube.

I will say though; that that series is probably one of my favorite takes on DustTale so far, and I really love the idea of a Dust (and Phantom) winding up in a more pacifist timeline. Everyone's designs also look really cute, creepy, and nice (and stuff). I esp. love Frisk and Chara (I love how Frisk looks like a demon/horror movie child, while Chara just so looks so happy and sweet), Sans from the more pacifist timeline, Dust and Phantom (they are so, SO good), Paps, and Alphys (she is just so cute. And it seems like Dust might have a history with her in his timeline? Maybe. Might be reading too much into that. But I do really like Sans and Alphys stuff).

Excited for more of "Dead Ringer"! No rush though. I am excited for more, but like, I can wait.

I got more to say, but I save the "Dead Ringer" stuff for probably their YT videos, and any other stuff for reblogs and stuff.

Jajajsajsienhdxhwbs THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND WORDS FIRST OFF ALL

As for bonnytale, the animation trailer is 100% comeplete! But after some thought I think I should released the trailer at the same time I released the first beginning episode and that should come around…I’m not sure, hopefully this year though! Meanwhile I will upload short comics and junk about that au. I will have to change that date from March to something else as working on 2 projects has caused me a burn out, which brings to just working on one project a step at a time.

As for DeadRinger I am currently working on that and i should say the third episode should be out somewhere in early June, it is a longer episode and is catching up nicely. There should be 7 total episodes of that. Also Sans and Alphys relationship is a kind of relationship like Undyne and Papyrus, so Alphys tends to tell Sans a lot of this and Sans does the same with her as well.

Since I’ve graduated high school recently I now can focus my time on these projects more :D, along with other side aus like underhell (that I’m redoing designs and story lore bit) and distorttale (which I would get into later).

I thank you for your time in appreciating my works, that means a lot to me <3

These are small screenshot snippets from the Bonnytale trailer animation I’ve taken in April

[sage-nebula]

Thinking about all the clues in canon that Susie is an orphan who, before the game started, never had any friends or anyone who really cared about her (with their care for her being known to her), such as:

— At the beginning of Chapter 2, Ralsei reveals that he has set up rooms for Susie and Kris in his castle, so that the Dark World can be like “a second home” to them. When Susie sees her room, she spends a moment marveling about how she has her own room and awkwardly asks Ralsei how long he spent setting it up for her. After that, she’s overjoyed about how cool it is, bragging about it to both Kris and Lancer. While it could be that she just likes the room, the emphasis she puts on it being her own room makes it seem like this might be the first time she’s ever had a room to herself. Which, to be fair, Kris shared their room with Asriel as well, but the room Kris shared with Asriel was still their room, at least on one side of it. If Susie is from a group home, it could be that she never even had that much to herself.

— Susie seems to care greatly for Toriel, but in Chapter 1 also seems a bit jealous of Kris for being Toriel’s child. In Chapter 1, after Susie threatens Kris about biting their face off, she stops and says, “Nah. Kris, you have a good mother. It’d be a shame to make her bury her child.” If you try to skip school instead of going to the closet after that, Susie stops Kris by saying, “If you skip school, your mother will have a heart attack.” In both cases, Susie is expressing care for Toriel’s emotional well-being; however much Susie might not care for others, she does care about Toriel enough to not want to stress her out. Keeping in mind that all of this happens before the first Dark World trip, it can’t be explained away by Susie’s character development like Susie’s eagerness to bake a pie with Toriel (and otherwise adherence and respect that she shows for Toriel) in Chapter 2 can.

But going along with that, when you follow Susie to the closet in Chapter 1, Susie mocks Kris by saying, “Not used to walking without someone holding your hand? Come on, freak.” Given the respect and care Susie has already shown for Toriel, it’s clear that her mocking of Kris here is not because Kris should be ashamed for holding Toriel’s hand; rather, it could be jealousy that Susie doesn’t have someone to do that for her, and perhaps never did. It’s easier to call Kris a freak for having a loving mother who holds their hand than it is to admit that she wishes she had the same.

As a final note on the Chapter 2 interactions, Susie is surprised that Toriel knows her name and remembers her. This, in addition to her eagerness to help out with the pie, her laughing at Toriel’s jokes, etc, shows that Susie has a fondness for Toriel, who is the most motherly character in the series. Considering that Toriel acts kind and motherly toward Susie, the idea that Susie might not have never had a mother (+ people to care about her) suggests that her fondness for Toriel (+ jealousy of Kris) contributes to how quickly she latches onto / how much she cares about Toriel.

— Susie eats chalk, and while this could be a “haha monster snack” joke, not only do we not see other monsters eating chalk (in fact, Noelle thinks Kris is lying to her if you choose to tell Noelle this about Susie at the end of Chapter 1), but eating chalk can be a sign of a nutrient deficiency. Specifically, craving chalk can be a result of an iron deficiency. If Susie is an orphan who hasn’t had parents to take care of her, then she could have an unbalanced / nutritionally deficient diet, and thus she does things like eat chalk in an effort to make up for it. (Her jeans are also ripped up, and while distressed jeans are cool, it’s also possible those are the only pants she has.)

— While the other kids in Alphys’ class openly detest Susie (e.g. laughing at Kris for being paired with her, warning Kris about possible death at Susie’s hands, refusing to hang out with Kris if Kris is hanging out with Susie, etc), Monster Kid tells a story to Kris in Chapter 1 that suggests that, at one time, Susie might have wanted to be friends with them. Specifically, if you talk to Monster Kid at the end of Chapter 1, Monster Kid tells Kris about a time when the kids from Alphys’ class (sans Kris) were playing kickball in the street. MK says that Susie was “standing in a corner” staring at them, but that when the ball did get kicked over to her, she froze before kicking it so hard that it hit Undyne’s car. Monster Kid doesn’t say what Susie did after that (only that Alphys came out and kicked all their asses at the game), but does go on to insult Susie some more, and notes that Kris looks increasingly annoyed at the insults. Regardless, the thing to take away from this story here is that Susie was watching all the other kids play, and froze when the ball came to her. She kicked it . . . and it hit Undyne’s car. Monster Kid’s retelling of the story suggests that they and the other kids thought that Susie did that on purpose, but my interpretation (knowing Susie as I do now, and also knowing what it’s like to watch other kids play while not feeling invited to play yourself) suggests that it was probably an accident. Susie wanted to play and be included, but accidentally kicked the ball into the car, and was thought of as a freak and bully after despite her actual intentions.

— To that end, at the start of Chapter 1 Susie is pretty blatantly of the opinion that everyone hates her and wants her to get kicked out of school. She flat out says as much to Kris in front of the lockers at the start of the chapter. (“Everyone wants it. Everyone’s waiting for it.”) It’s not only the other students, either; Alphys is afraid of Susie and uses any opportunity she can to get Susie out of class, which would explain why Susie doesn’t hold nearly the same care or respect for her that she does for Toriel, someone who actually did care about and treat Susie with kindness.

— Susie expresses shock when Lancer wants to be like her / wants to be her friend, and in turn, latches onto him with fierce loyalty that is only momentarily shaken when she thinks he’s betrayed her (and she even reasons that with, “why would anyone want to be my friend?”). That line, suggesting that she feels stupid for thinking Lancer would want to be her friend, points to a friendless background. But her fierce loyalty to anyone who shows her even a bit of kindness also shows just how incredibly lonely she is. In fact, if we think about it, the people who Susie latches onto are those who have shown her some big act of kindness before:

Noelle: Lent Susie the candy cane pencil and smiled at her. Considering how the other kids in Alphys’ class treat Susie, the simple act of lending a pencil with a smile probably seemed like a huge act of kindness to her.

Toriel: Acts motherly toward Susie, as she does with all her students. Might not be special treatment in the grand scheme, but it’s special to Susie who typically doesn’t get that treatment from others.

Lancer: Said that he wanted to be like Susie, that he found Susie cool, wanted monogrammed track jackets with her, etc. Actually wanted to be Susie’s friend and appreciated her.

Kris: Defended Susie from the King’s attack. Note that although Susie was working with Kris before this, she wasn’t to the level of calling Kris her friend before Kris defended Susie. Also note that this is not an action that we, the player, make Kris do; Kris does it on their own regardless of the choices the player makes.

Ralsei: Healed Susie’s injured leg after Susie fell from the trash heap in Chapter 2. Granted, Susie was being nice to Ralsei before that and seemed to consider him a friend (enough), but it was only after Ralsei went out of his way to heal Susie’s injury and offered to teach her healing magic that she yoinked him off to spend time alone with him in the city and wanted to bust out of prison to find him when she thought he was being tortured in Queen’s Castle. Ralsei showed Susie some dedicated kindness, Susie latched on for life.

The fact that it takes on gesture of care on someone else’s part for Susie to be willing to kill for a person suggests that not only has Susie not had friends before, but perhaps that her feelings of loneliness were mixed with rejection to the point where she latches on fiercely to these people who care for her and doesn’t let them go.

— In addition to all this, although Susie latches on strongly, she also seems to be worried about losing those connections, too. When Lancer seemingly betrayed her, she said “why would anyone want to be friends with me?” When they returned from the Dark World, Susie hesitantly asks Kris if they’ll still be friends even if it turns out the Dark World was just a dream (well, she doesn’t finish the thought, but it’s clear that’s what she was about to ask before she fled). In the Snowgrave Route, when Noelle flees Kris at the hospital, Susie assumes Noelle is fleeing because of her and expresses dismay that Noelle is “scared of [her] again.” Susie’s default is that people fear or hate her and will run at the first opportunity despite how she tries to keep them close, which again speaks to a history of loneliness and rejection.

— Susie got banned from Free Ham Sandwich Day. This is a throwaway joke line, but if you consider that Susie might be an orphan with food insecurity, it could be less that she was just stuffing her face to be a pig and more that she was eating as much as she could because she didn’t know when she’d be able to eat again. Considering that she also eats things like chalk, candy cane pencils, apple-scented shampoo, and moss . . . well, the idea that Susie is food insecure doesn’t seem too far-fetched. (Kris also eats moss if the player makes them, yes, but the player has to choose that. Susie just does it on her own.)

Anyway, none of this is Conclusive Evidence, of course, but I think there’s a lot to suggest that Susie could very well be an orphan possibly living in a group home, and that she’s never really had the love of family or friends before the game started. Her aggression is defensive aggression more than anything else and it’s pretty clear that she just wants to be loved and give love in return. Susie’s fantastic and I can’t wait to see what more we learn about her as the game goes on.