#also it's inspired by the ending of Canto V‚ and we all know that Canto gets me ... I'm tearing up just thinking about it
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Good morning ~!! It's a new day, so let's try and make the best of it ~
#I ordered an Ishmael pin‚ yesterday‚ and it shipped out this morning ... very excited for when it arrives ~#I first heard about it a while ago‚ but had to wait for the artist to put it up for sale‚ so I'm really looking forward to it!#I'll be sure to post photos when it gets here--it's gorgeous#also it's inspired by the ending of Canto V‚ and we all know that Canto gets me ... I'm tearing up just thinking about it#maybe I should listen to Compass ... it makes me cry‚ but it's also empowering--to me‚ anyway#I'm an Ishmael kinnie--what do you expect? /lh#scattered pages
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Call Her Ishmael (or: a trans reading of one of my favorite Limbus characters)
Hi, I have been thinking about writing something like this since Canto V first released and today I finally felt inspired to actually make this... A compilation of the parts of Ishmael's story that lead me to reading her as trans <3 and why I think that understanding her character though that lens works so well
We begin with a woman stuck in the mundane. No plans for the future, no dreams of a life beyond the one she is currently living in, and that life is one she has long grown tired of. And she decides she would rather quit living that life, even if it would kill her. Everyone told her not to do this, but she wanted (needed) to do something new with her life.
She finds Ahab here, when she is at this low where she is unsure of where to go from here now that she has cast her old life away. She looks at Ahab and sees a woman with goals, determination, serious plans for the future she is willing to commit to. And she wants to be just like that woman. She wants to be a woman who will choose what her destiny is, choose what life she has.
"I hoped to be like her one day. To be someone who will face the destiny of her own choosing. To have something I could give it my all with conviction and without a moment of hesitation."
And when she gets on that boat and starts this new chapter in her life, well. There she meets Queequeg, and is asked for her name...
Queequeg asking her name, something that surprises Ishmael, and complimenting her hair is a defining moment in Ishmael's life and in their relationship. And not only is it the first conversation they have, it is the also last thing Queequeg asks of her. To hear Ishmael's name one more time is something that will bring not only herself comfort, but she knows will stabilize Ishmael as well in this moment. That it will bring her back to when they had first met, to the fond memories of a good friend who had asked for her name. Ishmael's name, her identity, the one she forged on that boat even through great difficulty is what shaped her into being herself... That is how their relationship begins and ends...
There is also a recurring theme of being reborn, of happiness being found in another life that is kinder to them both. Ishmael dreams of a life where they can break out of their cocoons. She wants to bury her past and had no dreams of the future before joining the Pequod, before meeting Queequeg and finding someone she wants a future with. Through Queequeg, through the woman who thinks her hair is the brilliant color of sunset and asked for her name, Ishmael is capable of imagining a destiny of her own choosing just like she had wanted when she met Ahab. (She isn't able to chase after it, not yet, because of Ahab's influence over the Pequod, but she for the first time can at least dream of a future where she is happy)
When tragedy strikes, she is left as, in her mind, the sole survivor of the crew, she has lost Queequeg, lost Ahab, lost her chance at finding happiness and purpose. It's then that she takes Queequeg's rope (the thing that kept her alive! Queequeg throughout their time knowing each other is always there to save her and help her keep on living) and makes it into a headband, attaches cute bows to it, a bit of femininity that is intrinsically attached to the woman who helped save her. She grows out her hair, her beautiful sunset colored hair, and it is so heart warming. For a long time I assumed that her not cutting her hair was done out of mourning, out of an unwillingness to move on from the life she had on that ship, but instead it was because Queequeg had loved her and she had loved her friend in kind.
In conclusion I love Ishmael very much and I like to rotate her around. Everything from her metaphors of being stuck in a cocoon and wanting to break free, her envy of Ahab's ability to find purpose so easily, her relationship with Queequeg that helped inspire her to dream for more to dream of a future where she is happy,, it is all very good and to me reading her as trans strengthens the themes of her story. I've watched the final part of the Canto V dungeon several times over when my friends arrive at that part of the story, and the Call Me Ishmael line always makes me start tearing up.
Ishmael starts as an unhappy office worker with no future and it is a life she cannot continue living, she meets an older woman who has the drive and passion to chase after her goals and wants to be like her when she is older, she has a life defining moment where another woman asks for her name and wants to be good friends with her, that woman will save her in so many ways and she will love that woman so deeply for how she helped influence her life, she sees herself trapped in a cocoon and wants to break free, she dreams of her and that woman will persevere, how they will live out the rest of their days, countless mirror worlds of happiness spent at each other's side. She starts the game proper with her hair grown long, ribbons attached to a rope that helped save her that represents the woman who had saved her before. She ends her chapter finding a new adventure to go on, one will she get to explore the world she lives in, she has found a compass in Dante who will help her chart her path forward.
Also I know we all make jokes about how inconsistent the art is when it comes to her chest but like... Come on look at the difference here.... I'm correct about this. But I mostly wanted to make this post to point out that her narrative arc is also trans and it goes so much deeper than just art inconsistencies.
Okay that's all I can think of now, thank you for reading, I hope you all also love her <3
#limbus company#ishmael lcb#not quite sure what to tag this as but I hope you all enjoy...?#i just sort of wrote whatever came to mind so i hope this is like... understandable
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Yi Sang a butterfly with how a flap of his Wings caused like 700 events
You heard of The Butterfly Effect, now get ready for The Crow Effect
...Speaking of butterflies, because that made me laugh and I like having opportunities to ramble because when left to my own devices my head is all over the place, I've been wanting to talk about Rim for a while. So it's been brought up for a while he's based on another irl author (who was also a literary critic) Kim Kirim, the wiki has a pretty concise summary of his history having also being abducted and dissapearing during the Korean War, but it's also missing some details in how he relates to the real Yi Sang which might indicate his role in Limbus.
The wiki skips out on mentioning that in real life, Kim Kirim and the real Yi Sang were very close friends much like Park Tae-Won (Gubo) and Gim Yujeong (Dongbaek) though it doesn't seem like there is as much of a personal connection between Rim and Limbus!Yi Sang from what we saw in the play and their very brief interaction in Canto V.
(and for the record irl Dongrang and Yi Sang seem to have had no specific relationship beyond belonging to the same organization, their dynamic and specific friendship was only added to the Limbus characters for narrative purposes which I find hilarious)
Either way, it is thanks to Kim Kirim that a lot of things about Yi Sang are known to the public, from one of the most popular stories about how he decided his penname to a lot of details about his death, having even written a memoir after his passing, I did some quick digging through Korean internet and found out some very interesting things about it, first this more formalized article which talks more about Kirim's education which tells us some about his ideals as a writer, though since I do not know Korean I can only offer the automatic translated version.
(original link: Kim Ki-rim, a poet who dreamed of a new literary revolution | Read in Gwanghwamun Walk Walk Feel (kyobostory.co.kr))
Then we go unto his actual thoughts about Yi Sang, also mentioned at the end of this article but go much more in-depth in the following one (which sadly has a pretty broken translation but hopefully it's comprehensive enough through context clues)
(original article link: Seven letters to the poet he admired the most (brunch.co.kr)))
And then we get onto this very interesting interpretation of The Sea and The Butterfly as also being inspired by grief over Yi Sang's death
Seeing this reality it makes an odd contrast with how cold and indifferent Rim is portrayed as in Limbus, both in the play flashbacks and his Canto V appearance, but if the writers are working with the interpretation of The Sea and The Butterfly as being symbolic of Yi Sang's death it also raises a lot of questions about Demian's group, since Demian is also reminiscent of the snake from The Little Prince which is also representative of death but I might have to make a full post about that. If I remember to
Either way thanks for giving me excuses to remember to share information
#genuinely sorry if it got too info-dumpy even though it was just a joke anon I'm just autistic and a nerd#either way I was thinking about how I wanted to write on Rim at some point so here you go#hope it doesn't feel too uncalled for#project moon#limbus company#lcb Rim#lcb Yi Sang#and Demian jumpscare#I'm not putting this in the literature tag since this is more about. a literature/history crash course for a fucking gacha game#limbus company meta
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The Book Club’s January List
Guess who’s back with a new book list? This month’s theme was inspired by a suggestion that we read hopeful books for the new year. After looking for such books I found that hopeful stories rarely exist without an element of tragedy or struggle, hence the theme Bittersweet. The books on this list are quite varied, some more bitter and others more sweet. Nonetheless, all of them seem very interesting. Let’s get to it!
This first book was recommended to me by the same person who inspired this month’s theme. It also happens to be the first non-fiction book on these lists! It’s an autobiography by someone whose unique life has shown her the importance of education:
1. Educated, by Tara Westover
Tara Westover was 17 the first time she set foot in a classroom. Born to survivalists in the mountains of Idaho, she prepared for the end of the world by stockpiling home-canned peaches and sleeping with her "head-for-the-hills bag". In the summer she stewed herbs for her mother, a midwife and healer, and in the winter she salvaged in her father's junkyard. Her father forbade hospitals, so Tara never saw a doctor or nurse. Gashes and concussions, even burns from explosions, were all treated at home with herbalism. The family was so isolated from mainstream society that there was no one to ensure the children received an education and no one to intervene when one of Tara's older brothers became violent. Then, lacking any formal education, Tara began to educate herself. She taught herself enough mathematics and grammar to be admitted to Brigham Young University, where she studied history, learning for the first time about important world events like the Holocaust and the civil rights movement. Her quest for knowledge transformed her, taking her over oceans and across continents, to Harvard and to Cambridge. Only then would she wonder if she'd traveled too far, if there was still a way home. Educated is an account of the struggle for self-invention. It is a tale of fierce family loyalty and of the grief that comes with severing the closest of ties. With the acute insight that distinguishes all great writers, Westover has crafted a universal coming-of-age story that gets to the heart of what an education is and what it offers: the perspective to see one's life through new eyes and the will to change it.
2. The Travelling Cat Chronicles, by Hiro Arikawa and translated by Philip Gabriel
Nana the cat is on a road trip. He is not sure where he's going or why, but it means that he gets to sit in the front seat of a silver van with his beloved owner, Satoru. Side by side, they cruise around Japan through the changing seasons, visiting Satoru's old friends. He meets Yoshimine, the brusque and unsentimental farmer for whom cats are just ratters; Sugi and Chikako, the warm-hearted couple who run a pet-friendly B&B; and Kosuke, the mournful husband whose cat-loving wife has just left him. There's even a very special dog who forces Nana to reassess his disdain for the canine species. But what is the purpose of this road trip? And why is everyone so interested in Nana? Nana does not know and Satoru won't say. But when Nana finally works it out, his small heart will break...
3. A Man Called Ove, by Fredrik Backman and translated by Henning Koch
Meet Ove. He’s a curmudgeon—the kind of man who points at people he dislikes as if they were burglars caught outside his bedroom window. He has staunch principles, strict routines, and a short fuse. People call him “the bitter neighbor from hell.” But must Ove be bitter just because he doesn’t walk around with a smile plastered to his face all the time? Behind the cranky exterior there is a story and a sadness. So when one November morning a chatty young couple with two chatty young daughters move in next door and accidentally flatten Ove’s mailbox, it is the lead-in to a comical and heartwarming tale of unkempt cats, unexpected friendship, and the ancient art of backing up a U-Haul. All of which will change one cranky old man and a local residents’ association to their very foundations.
For the next two books, I interpreted Bittersweet in a slightly different way. These books are about finding beauty in an otherwise horrible situation. Because sometimes, perspective can make all the difference:
4. The Enchanted, by Rene Denfeld
This is an enchanted place. Others don't see it, but I do. The enchanted place is an ancient stone prison, viewed through the eyes of a death row inmate who finds escape in his books and in re-imagining life around him, weaving a fantastical story of the people he observes and the world he inhabits. Fearful and reclusive, he senses what others cannot. Though bars confine him every minute of every day, he marries magical visions of golden horses running beneath the prison, heat flowing like molten metal from their backs, with the devastating violence of prison life. Two outsiders venture here: a fallen priest, and the Lady, an investigator who searches for buried information from prisoners' pasts that can save those soon-to-be-executed. Digging into the background of a killer named York, she uncovers wrenching truths that challenge familiar notions of victim and criminal, innocence and guilt, honour and corruption-ultimately revealing shocking secrets of her own.
5. Bel Canto, by Ann Patchett
Somewhere in South America, at the home of the country's vice president, a lavish birthday party is being held in honour of the powerful businessman Mr. Hosokawa. Roxane Coss, opera's most revered soprano, has mesmerised the international guests with her singing.
It is a perfect evening – until a band of gun-wielding terrorists takes the entire party hostage. But what begins as a panicked, life-threatening scenario slowly evolves into something quite different, a moment of great beauty, as terrorists and hostages forge unexpected bonds and people from different continents become compatriots, intimate friends, and lovers.
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ok so this is what i want to keep with the canto bright casino mission:
rose
talking about consequences of war that happen outside of space battles, space monks and this one particular family
problems i want to fix:
there isn’t enough payoff from this plot that adds to the overall story
what an obvious avenue to get into finn’s past aaaaand it just didn’t
doesn’t forward finn and poe
lacks any buildup for this finn v phasma face off it tried to have
my plans break away from the movie when they get to canto bight but at some point before rose and finn are on the supremacy ship we need just one scene with phasma to establish that talk about finn is going around the storm troopers. just a short, hey someone’s checking in with phasma and she’s punishing a storm trooper for talking about the one who defected and joined the rebellion or something scene. something quick to establish this, i mean, certainly there are others questioning like finn was, right? remember when finn ran over to another storm trooper to help and he was sad like obviously friendships form....
alright so they’ve arrived on canto bight. rose says her important things about war profiteering and the evils that fund the excess of this place, like selling weapons or kidnapping and selling armies. and instead of finn being like “hmm never thought of it that way, rose” he talks about how one of those very things happened to him. it’s something he wonders about. who is family was. who his friends’ families were. how the first order does this. stuff like that.
i need to see the sequence again to decide on details of this but for now i’ll say when they’re on their mission we get some kind of info reveal about how some of the storm troopers are kidnapped and brainwashed as children. could happen in the casino itself, maybe benicio del toro imparts this info in one of his speeches on how the twisted corrupt world works. maybe this triggers a memory or it just triggers a reaction of “wow this so evil, fuck the first order, i’m all in on taking them down”
now all the while poe is checking in more urgently with them on their mission and perhaps even more than he was in the movie, he’s very urgent and giving directions that are perhaps in the best interest of the mission but not their safety....just something to indicate poe is still on his single-minded, consequences be damned bullshit. and rose isn’t happy about it. there was tension between her and poe earlier and he’s pulling this bullshit again and doesn’t want to lose more people to it.
so now rose and finn are on the supremacy, all the stuff where they almost make it but get caught happens and now they’re facing execution. phasma taunts him for being a traitor, but now finn comes back with the information he learned. “fuck you you’re cowards for doing this evil thing i learned about” only his speech is better than that and inspiring, he’s going down committed to the cause. phasma gives the chop order but uh oh, no laser axes are coming down. the storm troopers hesitate. because it’s finn! and some were already questioning the first order like finn was in the last movie but now they’ve also learned this terrible information that finn revealed. the hesitation is enough to give bb8 the chance to stop it all together.
then all the ship breaking apart stuff happens and the finn v phasma fight happens only now there’s some more damn meaning behind it. finn wins, time to escape with rose, but uh oh they turn and are facing a dozen or so storm troopers. but! some of those storm troopers take off their helmets. they look meaningfully at finn.
cut to the part where finn and rose show up in the salt cave but they’ve also got some storm trooper defectors with them now. and to an incredibly dwindling resistance, this is great! now we’ve got some significant benefit from their mission. and we better cap off finn’s arc of deserting vs joining by having him not only committed to the cause but he’s inspired others to join. nice.
now. to end poe’s character arc in this movie, the saving of finn needs to go to him. that’s his lesson to learn -- even when you’re close to completing an objective, you have to think of the consequences and sacrifices and know when to stop. he can’t lose finn for this. finn and rose bring poe back to the hideout and rose delivers the that's how we're gonna win, not fighting what we hate, but saving what we love line to poe later.
so. that’s what i want. fixes my problems and it wouldn’t really need much extra screen time. heck, cut the green milk bit and it’d all even out.
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The few great things in TLJ
So, as we all know, this movie is a train wreck on multiple levels. However, I’d like to think about the good as well as the bad, so here are the few things I love in this stupid ass movie (under the cut cause big spoilers) :
- Finnpoe moments ! When BB-8 tells Poe that Finn has awoken (and that he’s almost naked huhu), Poe literally leaps out of his X-Wing and runs to Finn, ecstatic. And when the pilot hangar blows up and Poe is projected backwards, Finn runs to him and holds him, asking him if he’s okay. And just, all of their interactions are great.
- Finnrey reunion!!!!! It was so sweet and beautiful. First of all, they kept worrying about each other when they were apart, and when they finally reunite! We see Rey stare at Finn with relief and happiness, we see Finn stare at Rey in the same way, Finn runs toward her and they hug! A big, long, full body hug.
- Finnrey highlight 1 : Finn didn’t try to use the escape pod to “escape and join Rey” as some people said. While Rey was on Ach-To, she had a tracker connected to another tracker that was on the Resistance’s ship that allowed her to know where the Resistance was, in case she wanted to come back to them. So when the First Order was attacking the Resistance’s ship, Finn was worried that Rey would come back to the tracker’s location and get blown up by the FO along with the ship. So he took the tracker and tried to leave with it to protect Rey.
- Finnrey highlight 2 : Rey trying to establish communication with the Resistance because she wants to know how Finn is doing.
- Finnrey highlight 3 : Rey going off to do something stupid and suicidal, and emotionally telling Chewie “If you see Finn before I do, tell him that I...” and then Chewie completes the end of the sentence in Wookie and she says “Yeah, that.” So we can assume that it was something along the lines of I love You.
- Leia saving her own life like a boss ass bitch. The woman got flung out in the middle of space without a spacesuit, and even though she was dying, she used the Force to float throughout space until she reached the ship and they were able to take her back in. I love that we finally saw her use the Force. I doubt that even Luke could have pulled this one off.
- Luke being his emo, dramatic AF self. He was also a victim a character assassination in this movie, but the emo-dramatic-but-im-still-a-little-playful attitude was still there.
- Luke and Leia talking, and Luke kissing her on the forehead.
- Finn and Rose wrecking havoc among the bourgeoisie at Canto Bight and inspiring little kids to rise up against their oppressors
- Rose meeting Finn and acting like a fangirl who just met her idol lol. He said “May the Force be with you” and she said “Wow” like she just witnessed Jesus coming back aodkjzifjzijiedjf
- After coming back from the infiltration mission, Finn wearing the jacket of the FO’s uniform open over his low v cut shirt, like DAMN! So hot.
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Definition and definition of film / film While the players who play a role in the film are referred to as actors (men) or actresses (women). There is also the term extras that are used as minor characters with few roles in the film. This differs from the main actors, who have larger and more roles. As an actor and actress, good acting talent must be required that corresponds to the subject of the film in which he plays the leading role. In certain scenes, the role of the actor can be replaced by a stunt man or a stunt man. The existence of a stuntman is important to replace the actors who play difficult and extreme scenes that are usually found in action-action films. Movies can also be used to deliver certain messages from the filmmaker. Some industries also use film to convey and represent their symbols and culture. Filmmaking is also a form of expression, thoughts, ideas, concepts, feelings and moods of a person that are visualized in the film. The film itself is mostly fictional, though some are based on actual stories or on a true story. There are also documentaries with original and real images or biographical films that tell the story of a character. There are many other popular genre films, from action films, horror films, comedy films, romantic films, fantasy films, thriller films, drama films, science fiction films, crime films, documentaries and others. This is some information about the definition of film or film. The information has been cited from various sources and references. Hope it can be useful.
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The first television shows were experimental, sporadic programs that from the 1930s could only be seen at a very short distance from the mast. TV events such as the 1936 Summer Olympics in Germany, the crowning of King George VI. In Britain in 19340 and the famous launch of David Sarnoff at the 1939 New York World’s Fair in the United States, the medium grew, but World War II brought development to a halt after the war. The 19440 World MOVIE inspired many Americans to buy their first television, and in 1948 the popular Texaco Star Theater radio moved to become the first weekly television variety show that hosted Milton Berle and earned the name “Mr Television” demonstrated The medium was a stable, modern form of entertainment that could attract advertisers. The first national live television broadcast in the United States took place on September 4, 1951, when President Harry Truman’s speech at the Japanese Peace Treaty Conference in San Francisco on AT & T’s transcontinental cable and microwave relay system was broadcasting to broadcasters in local markets has been. The first national color show (the 1954 Rose Parade tournament) in the United States took place on January 1, 1954. For the next ten years, most network broadcasts and almost all local broadcasts continued to be broadcast in black and white. A color transition was announced for autumn 1965, in which more than half of all network prime time programs were broadcast in color. The first all-color peak season came just a year later. In 19402, the last holdout of daytime network shows was converted to the first full color network season.
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Final predictions about TLJ before the world premiere
Today is the world premiere of TLJ. Before we possibly get major leaks, here is the final version of my bingo. After that, I will keep myself away from spoiler until I enter the theaters on December 13th, 9.45 a.m C.C.T Paris.
Very hard to select the information so there is nothing about ii.e. Ahch-To or Canto Bight. Plus the bingo is very oriented to Kylo, Rey, Luke and Snoke. Not that the other characters and arc ain’t important but IMO this is where the heart of the story is. A lot of these predictions are based on the discussions + metas that I wrote on the reyloskyforum.net.
I) First line: Kylo and Rey’s relationship
Regarding Kylo and Rey, I believe that romantic drama is indeed about them but romance is not central to their relationship and the plot in TLJ. The most important dimension IMO is that they share this unprecedented connection through the Force that throw them at the center of the battle between the Dark Side and the Light Side. Therefore, they are key to achieve together the balance of the Force. Their connection reminds me a lot of E.T. and Elliott’s connection since I saw a lot of callbacks to E.T. the Extraterrestrial in TFA
II) Second line: Rey’s background
Regarding Rey, I am definitely convinced that she is not a Skywalker:
Rey: I know all about waiting..for my family
Maz: Dear child. I see your eyes: you already know the truth. Whomever you’re waiting for on Jakku, they’re never coming back
For me, Maz’s line about “people she is waiting for are never coming back” always made it pretty clear that Rey’s family would never ever show up. Rey is a young person who desperately craves for belonging and as Maz said: “the belonging you seek is not behind you, it is ahead”. In other words, she may not find her birth family, the one of the past, but she can still find a family, the one of the future.
I don’t need Rey to be the daughter or granddaughter of a character we already know. IMO, the importance of her origins is in something ancient, maybe connected with the origins of the Force given Colin Trevorrow’s statements before he was fired :
I’ve seen all of the theories… What I do know is that we’re going to make sure that that answer is deeply and profoundly satisfying, because Rey is a character that is important in this universe, not just in the context of The Force Awakens but in the entire galaxy, and she deserves it. So we’ll make sure that that answer is something that feels like it was—it’s something that happened a long time ago [in a galaxy] far, far away, we’re just telling you what happened.”
We know from Daisy Ridley that there is no immaculate conception with Rey contrary to Anakin. So I came to speculate that Disney/LF might have got some inspiration from Disney movie Atlantis - the Lost Empire and even more from the Castle in the Sky (that Disney apparently used as inspiration for Atlantis - the Lost Empire). In The Castle in the Sky, (Lu)Sheeta is the long lost descendant of the royal family of Laputa, a floating castle in the Sky whose powerful destructive energy comes from a crystal. No time to make a long meta but I saw similarities with both The Castle in the Sky and Atlantis - the Lost Empire in Rogue One but also in TFA. And my feeling is that kyber crystals are going to be important in that story. As for Rey Kenobi, I am convinced that Rey parallels Obi-Wan more than any other character. Still, I remain cautious because parallels ain’t an ultimate proof of lineage, i.e. Finn parallels Luke as much as Rey parallels Obi-Wan in TFA, which doesn’t make Finn Luke’s son. So Rey Kenobi IMO ain’t the most important thing in Rey’s background. For me, it would be the cherry on the cake.
III) Third line: Kylo Ren’s background
Regarding Kylo Ren’s background, he is IMO the only and last Skywalker child. My feeling is that his abusive connection with Snoke is the key element of his background much more than having neglecting parents. I tend to see Snoke as the Star Wars version of any manipulative Disney villain that target a young character either from the cradle in order to achieve a specific plan. And a lot of Disney villain target and manipulates a character either to get an artifact (Ursula/Ariel ==> get the trident) or to use that character as a mean to maintain themselves alive and well (Gothel/Rapunzel ==> uses her power to maintain herself young) or to crush that character (Maleficent/Aurora ==> kill her). Since the ST is produced by Disney/LF, there are callbacks to Disney movies. And a lot of people may be surprised but the trio villain/Prince(ss) in distress/Prince(ss) to the rescue is not what it seems to be. Once one understands that Snoke got the role of the Disney villain, Ben the role of the Disney Prince(ss) to rescue and Rey the role of the Disney Prince(ss) on the rescue, the perception of Kylo Ren as a villain completely changes. At least, this is how mine evolved. And Disney movies are much about going beyond the first impression of a character especially when a character is called a monster at the beginning of his journey (i.e. Quasimodo, Beast;, Elsa). And Disney are also about monster misjudged by the others who find a way to regain their humanity in the world’s eyes:
Georges Lucas: I like the idea that the person you thought was the villain is really the victim, and that the story is really about the villain trying to regain his humanity,
So my feeling that both Kylo Ren’s background and fate in TLJ will be tragic because he is a character that got much hate for his actions and especially for the patricide, which is perfectly normal. But my feeling is that he is not meant to remain a villain until the end of the ST to die unredeemed or get a redemption by the very end like Vader. I think that the tragic thing about Kylo Ren is that he developed a strong connection with Snoke from the early age and that Snoke was the only one to help him when his raw power got uncontrollable. My feeling is that his commitment is actually more to Snoke than the FO. I think that Snoke represents for him what a dark version of E.T. could have become for Elliott: a possessive,exclusive and toxic friend. And it is also my feeling that Snoke had something very precise in mind by targeting that child in particular and being interested in his power. Their relationship is not a copy of Palpatine and Anakin’s. There is something much more exclusive. We know from Serkis that Snoke is much darker than Palpatine but also very vulnerable. So my feeling is that Snoke and Kylo’s connection may have become so strong through the years that Snoke actually needs Kylo Ren to survive. In any case, I don’t think that Kylo Ren can cut his ties that easily to Snoke. . So I think that Kylo’s allegiance will slowly shift: his allegiance to Rey will become stronger than his allegiance to Snoke in the throne room. My feeling is that he will try to cut it but I don’t think that Snoke will let him go that easily. The TFA novelization makes it pretty clear that Snoke sees himself as an architect polishing amasterpiece. This is something he has been dedicating himself for decades so I hardly imagine Snoke throwing his masterpiece away like that or letting his masterpiece tueining his back on him without reacting
IV) Fourth line: Final arc of the movie
Regarding the final arc of the movie, the analysis of the timeline gives me the feeling that Supremacy is not the real climax of the movie. From the analysis of Finn and TRey’s costume + physical state, I put my money that the battle on Crait is the final battle of the movie. Therefore, Supremacy can’t be the climax. Plus I fins it strange how the SW crew keep spoiling what happens on Supremacy (Finn vs. Phasma and Rey vs. Snoke) and keeps showing Crait as a random battle although Rian stated that Crait would play a key role in the movie. So IMO, Crait is where all characters will converge for the final arc. My feeling is that Luke will show up unexpedtedly on Crait after being out of screen for a good while since the Ahch-To arc. I also believe thay Snoke will show up there : I just can’t believe that Snoke would make an appearance in the movie just to get defeated pathetically on his own ship and then letting the FO letting the FO battling on Crait. Serkis confirmed that the guy has a huge agenda, is very powerful and hides his true nature. He is someone very determined and full of resent: IMO, there is no way he abandons the fight to go hiding like a coward. And TLJ is the second movie of the trilogy, which means that it should represent the lowest point. If Snoke has a huge agenda, I guess he will succeed in achieving it and the FO shall ultimately win over the Resistance on Crait.
V) Fifth line: Shocking outcome
Regarding, Rian did confirm that there would be a shocking outcome coming naturally and romantic drama. IMO, TLJ shall end with a major stake and conflict rising from a shocking outcome.
I exclude any scenario involving that Luke, Kylo and Rey all end up by the same side
Scenario 1: Light Luke/Kylo/Rey
==> Game over for Snoke and the FO
Scenario 2: Dark! Luke/Kylo/Rey
== Game over for Leia and the Resistance
I exclude any scenario involving Luke becoming the center of the story because Mark confirmed that the ST is not about Luke’s story any more.
Scenario 3 : Dark! Luke vs. Light Kylo and Rey
==> would involve to bring Luke back to the Light. Who should do it? Leia is the most obvious candidate but this is not the story of the Skywalker twins. Kylo is his nephew but his relationship with Luke isn’t the centerpiece of the ST. As for Rey, why would she go after Luke to bring him back to the Light if he is neither her belonging behind (father) nor her belonging ahead (lover)
Scenario 4 : Light! Luke vs. Dark Kylo and Rey
==> This scenario would make Luke the hero of the ST once again
I exclude the following deaths
Scenario 5: Luke’s death
==> We already lose a belove OT character as shocking outcome in TFA. Plus, what’s the point to have Luke back to the Resistance by the end of the movie to help the Resistance if one makes him die.
Scenario 6: Rey’s death/near-death state
==> They’re not gonna make the heroine die or end up in near-death state. That brings nothing to the story.
I also rule out these scenarios although IMO there is a possibility that it happens:
Scenario 7: Dark! Rey vs. Light! Luke/Kylo
==> Although there are hints at Rey’s darkness, I don’t think she will fall to the DS contrary to so many people seem to think. The analysis of the timeline tells me that she’ll escape Supremacy with bruise but safe and sound. Plus, there were photos on Crait showing Rey by Finn and Poe’s side as she already has her bruise, bruise that she got on Supremacy. If Rey doesn’t turn to the DS on Supremacy as she is fighting against PG and uses he raw power, I don’t think she is supposed to turn to the DS later
Scenario 8: Kylo and Rey flee together, away from the FO and the Resistance
==> Rian said that there is romantic drama, which by definition means that there will be obstacle to a romance happening. If Kylo and Rey flee together, isn’t it the confirmation of a romance? And where would be the romantic drama? Kylo and Rey are at the center of the balance and together represent a big threat to Snoke and his agenda. If I would be Snoke, I would make anything to get them separated
Scenario 9: Kylo’s tragic fate is IMO the shocking outcome of TLJ
I personally believe that Snoke will play a major role in this because if I would be Snoke, I would do anything to end my physical vulnerability either by acquiring a powerful artifact or by using the Force energy of someone else. I even believe in the possiblity that Snoke isn’t meant to remain old, vulnerable and creepy-looking. I would put my money that one of his goal is to become young again, all powerful and handsome. In other words, the same kind of tyran that young Vader intended to be had he not ended up like a piece of burnt fleh. And who better than Vader’s spawn himself coud help him achieving that goal? One of my headcanon is either Snoke uses Ben to acquire something valuable and crushes him or he uses his power energy to become all powerful again. By tragic fate, I mean something close to near-death state, possession, dark prophecy, etc...Something that make Kylo Ren a villain the audience can truly relate to.
Why do I believe in that kind of scenario rather than Dark! Luke or Dark! Rey?
Because Kylo Ren is at the center of major stakes within the contexte the ST and even within the context of the entire franchise:
1) The unending tragedy of a family...
Kylo Ren is the only and last descendant of the main family of the entire franchise, a family plagued with unending dramas:
#Who is the next?#
It was confirmed that Leia was supposed to have a bigger role in Episode 9 so she was supposed to survive Episode 8. I already pointed out that Luke’s tragic death would bring much. The audience already got a shock with a belove OT character’s death in Episode 7. And even if Luke’s death would be a big shock to the audience, it doesn’t raise any major stake regarding the fate of the Skywalker family. Losing the only last Skywalker child on the other end would give a dramatic turn. The tragic fate of a young male/female is always more tragic than a older character because...
2) A mother wanting her only child back...
Can you imagine how tragic it would be for Leia who begun her life having lost her mother and possibly end her life having lost her son. Leia all alone bears the tragedies of the Skywalker family in regard to all the people she lose during her whole life. And friendly reminder that this broken woman is clinging to the hope to have her son back. And there is even something more this woman obviously wishes :
Source: from Poe Dameron comic (canon)
“Never imagined this,” Han had murmured, sitting up in their bed late at night. Ben’s tiny head resting in the crook of his father’s arm. “Having a kid. Even wanting a kid. But now he’s here and-”
“And you’re a dad.” Leia had learned closer, unable to resist the chance to tease her husband. “Just think hotshot. Someday you might even be a granddad.”
Han’s chuckle had warmed her. “Speak for yourself, sweetheart. Me, I ain’t ever getting old.”
Source: Bloodline
I don’t believe in Rey Solo : it was debunked several times. And Poe ain’t Leia’s son. So there is only one person in that galaxy far way who could make Leia a grandmother one day. And here is why Kylo Ren is at the center of the drama in regard to the Skywalker family. Make the only Skywalker child die or give him a tragic fate by the end of the ST: bye bye Skywalker family! Although I am no Reylo for reproductive imperative because Rey deserves to be seen as something else than a utero, this is something to keep in mind. The Skywalker family has suffered dramas and Kylo Ren is at the center of the drama in the ST. Another interesting thing is that Carrie Fisher’s death didn’t to represent a massive drama to a point that Rian felt the need to edit TLJ. We know that Leia was supposed to have a bigger role in Episode 9, but in that kind of scenario her absence could be easily explained. If I had lose my mother, then my adoptive parents, then my husband, the tragic fate of my only child on top of that would make me lose the will to fight and live.
3) A heroine searching for her belonging...
The ST is the story of Rey and how the story of that young woman fits in this great franchise in which the Skywalker family was always at the center of the plot. Rey is a great character in herself: she doesn’t need to be related to the Skywalker, the Palpatine, the Kenobis to be important. She is not there either just to serve as a tool for a man’s narrative. She is strong, able to handle herself and wise enough to make her own choices. And what does this young woman ever wanted in her life? To have a family!
J.J.Abrams: There was this powerful idea that what she desperately wanted was belonging, which she will get, simply not the way she expects
In other words, Rey is not someone full of ideals who gets involved in a fight because she believes so strongly in the ideal of the Resistance and that fight will become her whole life.Contrary to Anakin and Luke, she has no roots either to follow the Jedi’s path. Anakin always wanted to become a Jedi and Luke wanted to become a Jedi like his father. The only thing this young woman ever wanted was to belong somewhere but she is persuaded that she can only find a belonging in her birth family and thus has difficulty to accept that they’re never coming back. And she will get a belonging but not the way she expects because the belonging/family she seeks is not behind her/in her past (parents, birth family) but ahead/in her future (lover, future family). You rarely become part of a future family if you don’t find someone who makes you part of that family, in other words a partner. And we know thanks to Maz that someone who is not part of her birth family could still come back. Given the way Disney/LF hints at this strange connection and relationship between the Rey and Kylo Ren - only descendant of the Skywalkers - it would make sense that Rey finds in the Skywalkers her future family. However, Rian said that there is romantic drama in TLJ, which means obstacles preventing a romance from happening. If Rey learns in TLJ the reasons why her parents never came back, she will have lose her belonging behind forever. And if Ben suffers a tragic fate in TLJ, she will have lose her belonging ahead. There wouldn’t be more romantically dramatic than this. If Rey loses her belonging, then it also means that this young woman loses the chance to have a family. And since Rey and Kylo’s relatinship is the centerpiece of the ST, it makes sense that the major conflict and/or stake raised by the shocking outcome of TLJ would be about them.
4) The Balance of the Force and the eternal war between the Dark Side and the Light Side...
Since Kylo and Rey are at the center of the ST, they are also at the center of the Balance in the Force in order to end the war between the DS and the LS and two sides of the conflict. Sure, Rey could try to do it alone but Rian Johnson insisted that these two are almost dual protagonists. There is no mistake in promoting them together and mirroring each other. They are equally important for the balance to the Force. And if there is one person who has no interest in having Kylo and Rey together, it is Snoke. These two powerful Force User represent a real threat for his huge agenda. If Kylo and Rey end up together as allies and/or lovers, there is no romantic drama and I might add that it already means more or less game over for Snoke. Giving Kylo Ren a tragic fate would compromise the possibility of bringing Balance in the Force and an end to the war between the Dark Side and the Light Side.
5) The heavy debates among the Star Wars fandom...
Kylo Ren is at the center of heavy debates among the SW fandom: redemption/ anti-redemption; Reylo/Anti-Reylos, etc...It is perfectly normal that a lot of people despise Kylo Ren for his actions and especially for the patricide. For some people, there is even hate toward this character to a point that one consider he shall die and/or suffering a tragic fate by the end of the ST.
If I would be Rian, I would give them what they want/expect earlier than they think and in the most unexpected way
Kylo haters: : Holly shit, Rian! You didn’t dare...
Reylos: My ship...
GA:
Although Luke turning to the DS or Rey turning to the DS would surely shock the audience, it wouldn’t bring much. Most of the audience already like these characters and would them back in any case. No way that Luke would die unredeemed so he would be back in the end but it would be too reminiscent of Vader’s. As for Rey, she is the heroine so there would be no way that the audience wouldn’t anticipate her redemption. Kylo on the other hand is a very unpredictable character who raise heavy debates within the fandom. Giving him some tragic fate would allow to keep the ultimate outcome of the ST uncertain for everyone.
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