#also i forgot to add in the OG post; Idk how Poppy and Rena would end up tigether in this timeline

[darlingpassion]

SO MUCH TO RESPOND TO ON MY END NOW!

You say you're jealous of me, but I was able to read your response very well! ^^ I thought mine was all over the place XD but anyways-

The Greasy+Shiny protecting Poppy one!!! I was thinking about making them friends, or a throuple because I need to write something for Grinypop since I've written Grychoppy XD (like they're all having a date night, but Greasy has to finish up a job and he'll pick up Shiny on the way, so Poppy decides to go grab them a table at the bar they chose. She leaves her table, comes back to drink, and doesn't connect the dots until after her weasels come in and see what's happening). But now that you mention it, I also love the idea of it being Griny and Platonic Poppy. Just- that dynamic in general; Poppy is the introverted cinnamon roll that these sinning extroverts adopted XDDD just- I need Shiny to throw the guy off and beat the shit out of him while Greasy goes to Poppy and pulls her in protectively, then they take her home and soothe her and assure her that this wasn't her fault.

But back to the topic- I WANT TO WRITE ALL THESE SCENES SO BADD MAN!!! I HAVE NO IDEA HOW I'LL BE ABLE TO WRITE COMPREHENSIVELY, BUT I'LL TRY!!!

I can see what you mean about Psycho's laughter towards Smartass' death. That's probably what it is in canon ^^ meanwhile, I'm over here trying to figure out how Psycho could not like Smartass that much and still work for him 😅😅😅 but yes!!! Yes, I want Smartass' team to look out for him on this!!! They may not get along all the time, but they all stick together here 💖💖💖💖

(On laughter being Psycho's response to almost anything, though... Do you think he'd laugh if he saw Poppy die?? His soup/soulmate?? Imagine if he did laugh, but it's cracked and his whole body is shaking, like he's about to cry but instead all that can come out are manic giggles, making his laughter come out more horrific?? This is getting to me fr-)

The first thing that got to my heart especially was 'he only wants to talk to Poppy about this, at least' I know that might just be Smartass not wanting to look weak in front of his men despite them being there for him, but YOU'RE TELLING ME HE TRUSTS POPPY THAT MUCH!?!? OR- OR HE NEEDED HER HELP SINCE SHE WENT THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITH HENRY!? HE JUST NEEDS THE SOLIDARITY AND COMFORT SHE'D PROViDE EVEN IF HE DOESN'T EXPLICITLY SAY IT!?!? HIS NOD TOWARDS POPPY IMPLYING THAT HES FINE WITH HER BEING LOTTIES MOTHER FIGURE!? AAAAAAADTTHHRYHFFIYGHGVYYH

And that scene at the bar. Hold up-

"She don't have a mum. Dat's what you tell her."

The two women jumped at the voice behind them- Poppy especially, though Shiny did visibly flinch- before they both looked over their shoulders, seeing the father himself staring right back at them. The look on his face could have been mistaken for a death glare, but they knew him long enough to know that wasn't it.

Poppy glanced between her two friends, still reeling a little from the sudden interruption, before settling her gaze back onto Smartass. She looked guilty, like she was caught doing something she wasn't supposed to. Instead of asking him what he was doing in a place like this, she turned in her stool to face him completely, "I understand... But she asked-"

"She's got me. Lottie doesn't need a second parent t'be rised right." The short weasel stated in that tone that showed this was not up for debate before deciding to hop onto the free stool next to Shiny. The dancer was quiet, turning in her stool to lean her back against the counter to watch them both, "If she needs a ma so much, then she's got Greasy, or-"

He cut himself off then, as if he realized he was two seconds from slipping out vital information to an enemy. The curiosity on both womens' faces turned to surprise- and an acceptance of responsibility for the rabbit- when the boss just nodded his head silently to Poppy. She quietly nodded back, before speaking up about what was on her mind, "I see... Smartass?"

"Yeah, what?"

"We just want what's best for Lottie and you."

"You're the dad, so whatever you think is best we'll do." Shiny added, chiming up from her seat between the two. Her brows furrowed at the littler toon, easily seeing the very small signs in her adopted sibling that he wasn't just ignoring them, "We won't say anything for you."

"Good." Was what Smartass said suddenly. It was curt, but not because he was angry at them specifically. They both could see that he didn't want to discuss this further. If Poppy could switch seats with Shiny, she would have leaned over to hug him (that probably was why he chose to sit next to Shiny instead).

But right now, the two ladies just dropped the subject. After a few seconds in silence, Shiny just shrugged her shoulders and turning back around in her seat before tapping the bar counter with her knuckles, "Well, we're all here anyway. Nothing smooths the tension like a drink. It's on me."

This is a very rushed version of how I see this scene, but I had to write it before work!! Just- Poppy and Shiny letting go of their conflicts and anger about this whole situation when Smartass tells them, respecting his wishes and not drawing more attention to the woman than necessary.

Edit: I re-read your first Smartass' Daughter oneshot, and the way Rena's note said, "You probably don't remember me," heavily implies that she knew what happened. If that is what Rena would write and Poppy got to read it, she would be ALOT more suspicious and less conflicted about the mother possibly being as drunk as Smartass was. There's still a tiny part of her that hopes that that's the case, but the wording in the note is pretty damning. She'd still ask for advice, but more on which part of herself to listen to. She knows what Shiny would say, so maybe she'll go to Wheezy or Greasy? The most level-headed one and/or the most intuitive one? I still wanted to write this scene with Smartass and the gals, tho so I'm keeping it xD

And- and- I also need to write Smartass going to Poppy about what happened!!!

The arrival of the little one- Lottie was a shock to everyone... Yeah, that was a vast unestimation. Poppy wasn't able to sleep the rest of the night; all she could do was toss and turn in her boyfriends bed, wondering so many things. Where did the baby come from? Who was the mother?? Why... Why wouldn't Smartass remember her??? That question had chilled her to the bone (and as much as she didn't want to, she couldn't help but remember Henry. No, no! She couldn't focus on what she went through when her friend was having a crisis!). She could only hope...

"We need to talk."

It was a few days after they had gotten everything baby Lottie would need when Smartass came to her apartment with his daughter in tow. She had fallen in love with the girl already and had thought he was going to ask her to babysit! That was, until she saw the very grim look in the new father's eyes. Her ears flattened against her head, unsure what to expect, "Smarta- Smarty?" (Ass was a part of his name, so could she say that around Lottie? She'll figure that out later)

"O-Of course! Come in. Make yourself at home."

A hundred thoughts ran through the anxious toons mind as she escorted the two weasels to her couch. Lottie cooed and reached up to touch her father's nose, prompting both him and Poppy to smile as he adjusted her in his arms and offered his index finger to her. Once she was fully entranced by the appendage, though, his paternal grin fell, "You read the note, didn't you?"

Immediately, her heart sank. Smartass didn't turn to look at her, only focusing on his daughter (that must have been the only way he could talk about this with her...). Poppy nodded grimly, knowing where this was going, "Yes. Psycho showed me."

His expression somehow turned grimer, the corners of his mouth threatening to tug downwards in a depressing way that Poppy was more than familiar with, as well as his usual anger. Lottie seemed totally oblivious to the fact that she was the only thing keeping her father steady through this, "I ain't acting... I really don't know who she is."

"The thought never crossed my mind." Poppy swiftly assured him, not wanting him to go through the mental torment she went through years ago. Even if he wasn't a touchy person, the rabbit did carefully reach out for his shoulder; he had the chance to pull away if he wanted, "And I know the guys believe you, too. We all do."

Smartass did flinch when her paw made contact, but his arm did tense up under her touch. If course, she immediately went to pull back, "Sorry! Sorry."

"It's fine." His voice was curt and straight to the point. It would have sounded threatening to Poppy, if it weren't for the topic at hand. She knew he had to have been doing everything in his power to hold back. So she just quietly nodded. She waited, until he was ready to speak again, "I've been tryin' to remember, and I can't... But she knows who I am, clearly."

"Smarty, you know it's not your fault, don't you?"

"'Course I do."

The rabbits brows furrowed at that, "Do you really know that? For you??" She had been in this position before. She knew how cruel the mind could be to oneself.

"... Yeah, I do." He repeated it again, so quietly this time. Poppy wasn't sure if he really was convinced of that or not, but she didn't want to push him and risk hurting him more. Things like these had a delicate healing process.

The woman looked down to the baby weasel, now enamored with her fathers pink tie. A thought occurred to her then that she knew she couldn't keep to herself, "... Smarty?"

"Yeah?

"I'm proud of you."

"..." The father blinked before turning his head towards her again. She could see he was very confused- and frustrated, as he usually was when he didn't get something, "F'what?"

"Even if this is all... For lack of better term, shocking to you," Yeah, shocking. That'll work for now, "You still stepped up to the plate for Lottie, and didn't turn her away-"

"Well, why would I?? She's my kid." If it weren't for the baby, Poppy knew Smartass would have jumped to his feet then and there. Now his eyes were narrowed in a glare towards her, but all she didn't feel scared at all, "Her motha' already left her. I ain't givin' her up like her... What'ya grinnin' at?!"

With each venom laced word, Poppy's lips turned up more and more. And despite Lotties' dark origins, she couldn't help but feel so happy and relieved for her now, "That. That right there is how I know you're going to be an amazing father for her."

The defensive look on his face slowly softened. He didn't say anything more, but she could tell that her words had an impact on him. When he directed his attention back to baby Lottie, Poppy took that moment to let her own mind wander. Back to her first 'love'... God, she had been so stupid then. Thinking she had found her prince charming that would whisk her away from her awful life on stage and with her folks. Instead, he just took everything she could give and then some. Who knows if she would have connected the dots without Moony's help.

Her situation and Smartass' were so different, but so similar too. She may only know his side, but that didn't matter right now. Not with her friend barely keeping his devastation in while holding the daughter he had no way to prepare for. He needed her, and she would do anything to help her friend.

Poppy nodded before standing up, making a decision, "You two can stay as long as you like. We don't have to talk about this- or anything else, if you don't want to. But you know I'll listen if you need to... What kind of tea do you like?"

She almost reached over to touch his shoulder again out of instinct, but she stopped herself in time. The mob boss was quiet before shrugging, "I don't really drink that stuff. 'Yer the professional here."

"... Then I think you'll do good with chamomile with honey. I'll be right back." With that, Poppy started her way towards the kitchen.

I had to! I had to write the first time Smartass came to Poppy about this. I just hope i got the right combination of hurt/anger and healing. I wasn't sure when he would talk to Poppy, but it had to be before Shiny heard about Lottie like you said, and I'm not sure if he would invite Pops on the baby shopping trip, so I figured a few days would be a good time for it all to sink in. What do you think?

LOTTIE BEING OVERWHELMED AND EMOTIONAL BECAUSE OF RENA!? 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺 She must be PROTECTED! I know she has a support group with her family but I'm still hurting for her! If I was confident in writing adult Lottie, I'd write her unkle of choice comforting her and assuring her everything will be OK 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺 Stupid! Your neice needs you!!!!

Omg omg omg King acting all ashamed around Poppy when she realizes!? I'm sorry, but that also got me. Like- it feels like he was hoping she could be a friend (or something more?? The Kingpop lover in me wants to say he's crushing on her here, but I know that that's more than likely not the case XD), and those hopes are drained when she gives him that look. That look of confusion, anger, and disgust for not just his wife, but the fact that he's still by her side through this. I want Poppy to sit there conflicted as she processes all this and trying to figure out whether she should follow them or stay here. She wants to follow King and explicitly ask why he's still with Rena. Why he's always covering for her. Why doesn't he seem to care about this past the fact that it's an inconvenient frustration for him? Why?? But her baby needs her more, so she ultimately chooses to stay.

RYAN!!! Omg omg omg is Ryan going to leave Kingston and Rena now!? Does he cut off his sister!? Whatever happens between them, I N E E E D Ryan interacting with his neice!!!! I need him to be there for her! I need the weasels + Poppy slowly coming around to Ryan and welcoming him into the family!!!! I need Lottie to have a depressed but still more morally aligned than others unkle!

This is do badly formatted, but I gotta get to work. I hope you're able to read this 😅😅😅 as for Poppy getting high on accident... I'm working on that~

WAIT.

Something just occurred to me that I dont think we've ever talked about. A very terrible one, so- trigger warning for sexual assault (the whole Lottie conception thing).

So Rena fucks black-out-drunk Smartass on a really bad night after a terrible fight with King. She was under the influence of hard drugs, but, still- she was more Aware, then he was. He resembled her husband, and in her fucked-up, drug-addled mind, gravitated towards him. Used him. Left early and got pregnant.

It was a fucked up situation all around but Rena was definitely the instigater and in a bad place head-wise; emotionally erratic and a loose canon.

Well... in the universe where they all know eachother eventually- does Shiny k n o w??? Does Poppy know??? If King found out about Lottie, Rena would definitely tell him the whole story. But I don't think she'd go around telling just anyone (or if she'd even care. Or think about it at all. Getting drunk and fucked up and doing 'fucked up shit' (little baby firefly reference for you to lighten the mood XD ) is an all the time kinda thing for her after all). And I doubt that Smartass would, either. So...

??? What do you think? Maybe King tells them. How do they react? 🤔

(Oh god what of LOTTIE found out. She already doesn't want her mother, now she's about to kick this woman's ass)

This... I knew we had to confront it when we started to ship our OC's together, but I was afraid to 😅😭😅😭

Hooooooooo boy. Ok. Lemme break this down. I've been simmering on this ask for the past couple of days cause I wanna D I S C U S S this-

First off- whether or not Poppy and Shiny know what Rena did.

Hm... I feel like it's kind of yes, kind of no? And Shiny knows more than Pops does. Obviously, they don't know who the mother is, and if Smartass can't remember that night, then he's either blocked the memory out or he was that black out drunk. I don't think the darker side of this would really sink in for Poppy early on because, although she does know creeps exist, she imagines them being more confrontational; she did kind of grow up sheltered, and the only creeps she's encountered in Downtown are those who aren't subtle. So she doesn't think about the consequences of leaving your drink open in a crowded bar, or someone waiting until you're inebriated and not sound of mind to invite you over to their place (i really really really want to write Poppy getting drugged at a bar while hanging out with Greasy or Shiny, and they notice and take care if shit. Kind of like your Jim x Reader drabble). It took her a while to realize that how she and Henry met was also pretty predatory on his part, though.

Remember when I told you I imagine Poppy actually being there the night Lottie was dropped off on their doorstep? I also see her, after getting over the shock of a baby in this mobster house, trying to help Smarty retrace his steps so they can figure out where the baby even came from, "Ok, do you remember where you were nine months ago?" "Who the hell keeps track a'that!?" "Nobody, but in this case, we really need to figure that out-" Whether Smartsss remembers and tells her or not, after thinking it over, I think Poppy would suspect that Smartass was also taken advantage of and is scared and sorry for him. She'll ask him if he's OK and assure him it wasn't his fault, even if he tries to brush it off. As usual, Poppy would go into well-meaning-but-kinda-overbearing mode. She hopes that maybe the mother was also drunk- it's still bad for them both, but it's better than if she soberly saw Smartass in the state he was in and slept with him still. She wouldn't be sure if she should keep Lottie's hope up for her mother in this case since they only know Smartass' side, and will listen if he or Lottie says they aren't interested in the possibility that her mother may come back.

Shiny on the other hand, she's encountered nearly every type of fucker you could think of, especially now that she works in the adult entertainment industry. She's even fallen victim to some of them in the past. It's part of why she's so ready to square up and gouge someone's eye out if they give her the wrong vibe- hell, when she's out with her gals, especially Poppy, she's sniffing out for creeps while having fun. It's just second nature to her at this point. So when she was told about baby Lottie and heard that Smartass had no memory of that night, her alarm bells were already ringing in her head. Even if she annoys Smartass, she does see him as kind of like a little brother... A little brother who's a little asshole and got little man issues, but a little brother all the same (yes, that means she sees Stu as her little brother too. And he's a whole lot nicer than her other adopted brother XD), so she's also got that protective streak in her despite constantly teasing him.

She wants to find the bitch who took advantage of him, and tells him they should go find the mother- not for Lotties sake, but for his. Shiny is headstrong, so it'd take a lot for the guys to convince her to don't bother if Smarty doesn't want to go through all that trouble. Shiny wouldn't approve if Poppy tried to encourage Lottoe to be hopeful about her mother. Even if she wasn't such a monster like Shiny is imagining her to be, she still left her daughter. In Shiny's eyes, that's inexcusable. But maybe this is why Shiny hates Rena so much; she got the vibes from that woman without even finding out she was Lotties mother.

So even though Poppy and Shiny don't know the whole story, they both do end up suspecting and worried for him. Shiny would have no issues against telling Lottie that her mother is a bad person, and Poppy is trying to figure out what to tell Lottie when she asks (honestly they'd probably sit down together and go back and forth, especially if this is after Lottie asked Poppy if shes her mother and Poppy needs advice). If either of them met Rena after this?? And found out what she did???? Hoooooo boy.

Shiny is gonna start swinging, regardless if they've fucked or not. Enough said. Rena is a weapons expert, but Shiny inherited her dad's honey badger crack-head determination. It's anyone's fight at that rate.

Poppy? Ohhhhh ho ho ho, it depends on their relationship. If she just remained uncomfortable around Rena (which would happen in the Pocho, or any weasel ship, timeline. I don't care how alluring Rena turns it up, Poppy ain't cheating on her S/O), then this gives her more incentive to stay away from her. I can see her confronting Rena, even if it has been years at this rate. How could she have gone after a drunken man?! Even if she was having a bad day!? Don't even get me started on Poppy's thoughts about Rena only coming back into Lottie's life when she wants something. The mama bear in her would really rear to the surface if that happened.

If she and Rena started a relationship though??? Oh... Oh hell no. This is so much worse than Rena dropping Poppy for Henry. Poppy also confronts Rena here, but she's so much more angry and disgusted than she was with the topic of Henry. If Rena doesn't show some kind of remose for what she did, Poppy will break up with her... She might break up with Rena anyway- which is pretty big in and of itself because, as I'm sure you've noticed, Poppy has never been the breaker in a relationship. How do you think Rena would respond to that?

Poppy, conflicted and unsure: Shouldn't we... Aren't we supposed to take her condition that night into consideration, too??

Now granted, Rena was also under the influence. But as you said, she was more aware. I think maybe this might make Poppy hesitate? She doesn't indulge in drugs (except that one time Wheezy got her high on weed by accident *cough*) and she prefers to drink on specific times, so she's not so in-tune with how inebriated someone can get and how in control they can be. Shiny, however, she is a hard drinker and smokes (she sticks to Marijuana herself, but she has had a few friends who indulged in more serious drugs. Her slasher self, though, indulges in them greatly), so she does know that there are various levels of sobriety and intoxication. And she's pretty sure Rena wasn't black out drunk like Smartass, especially since she actually remembers that night.

Shiny: that's actually a good point, Pops.

Shiny: *turns to Rena* do you remember what happened that night?

Rena: Yeah-

Shiny: Then kindly go fuck yourself with a sandpaper wrapped cactus that's tipped with E. Coli.

Now as for King... Poppy would have mixed feelings. It's obvious he's not like Rena and doesn't agree with what she does, but why are they still together?? Yes, he loves her, but... *looks at Rena and her cheating hoe-ass* yeah... Meanwhile, Shiny is suspicious of him if he's still with Rena afterall this. What kind of skeletons does he have in his closet?? Other than the obvious. She would try to keep Poppy away from King if this happened in the Kingpop timeline.

As for Lottie. Poppy wants to protect her, so she'll try to stop her from kicking Rena's ass. Yes, she's got training from the navy, but she won't let her little neice get hurt! Let her take care of this, sweetie. You and your father need to get away from this woman. Shiny would jump into the fight first... But she'd let Lottie get her kicks in too. And they can go get a drink at the bar afterwards and either sit in silence or talk about it, whatever Lottie would want.

So, tldr, Poppy and Shiny may not be told all the details, but they would start to suspect on their own. And Riny and Renpop would be nonexistent in this AU.

Fuuuuuuucccckkkk this hurt my heart so bad, especially the part of me that loves the Rena ships despite how dysfunctional they'd be. But we needed this too. What do you think?