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Just a little past 12 in the afternoon, the weather was incredibly nice... You ran away from me, chasing the cat you held in your arms... Sometime past these summer days, isn't there a way for them to be together?
// Happy Heat Haze Day (2023 edition!)
#outofreflection#fluffy mun s art stufffs#WOW ANOTHER HAZE DAY IS UPON US#i still think its very funny that p much every shuuen knows kagepro#but definitely not every kagepro knows shuuen lol#similar w mikagura too wwww#aNYWAY. shoved my ears into the timeloop that is that kagerou daze nico nico chorus on loop#along w most of the kagepro songs#BUT i didn't listen to the shissou word time songs aggressively enough so those i don't recognize immediately unlike the older ones
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( alternate link for the above [a Japanese users’ comparison]: here ) Kagerou Project History / Theories / Questions / Comparisons -> Souzou Forest (“Imagination Forest”) vs. Kuusou Forest (“Fantasy Forest”) & Mekakushi Trio, Shounen Brave -> Outer Science, -> Mary’s Imaginary World ....
[ + What’s the deal with Kano not being there (in EITHER version)?! or: ]
( ^ I don’t see a Kano here, do you? ) [ Seto wasn’t even redesigned until later ?! ] [ and Kido’s face wasn’t even shown (left), yet she was there?! in both?! ] [ .... wait, Kano was created IN BETWEEN these two videos?! ] [ and -- wait, Kano didn’t even exist when Imagination Forest was created ??! ] [ does that mean ... there could, possibly, eventually be a timeline ... where ... ] [ KANO (OR SETO) DOESN’T EXIST WITHIN THE MEKAKUSHI TRIO?!? ]
[ Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes -- and yes?! (....maybe?!) ]
- Souzou Forest (“Imagination Forest”) was released on January 31, 2012. - This was the very first debut of Mary and (young) Seto. - These music videos were created / illustrated by Wannyanpuu. Wannyanpuu is also the character designer for Mary Kozakura. She also designed Momo Kisaragi, created the music video for and illustrated Kisaragi Attention, and contributed to many other factors of Kagepro after (Hiyori Asahina’s potential design concept, the Kagerou Days/Daze storyline and their previous fanmade music video / pv, Konoha’s State of the World music video [with Sidu], Otsukimi Recital.....) - If you compare the two videos you’ll note a handful of differences, including but not limited to the way Seto covers Mary with her cloak/hoodie. - Imagination Forest was also the very first debut of (the preview of) Tsubomi Kido’s redesign, now in more full color. At the time, Kido’s gender was still completely vague. The official website hadn’t yet opened, the Children Record booklet with initial profiles hadn’t yet been released, and Kido’s lower half wasn’t shown in full (redesigned). Misattributions of references to Shintaro Kisaragi in Mekakushi Code’s lyrics (“18 year old hikikomori NEET”, and such) meant more confusion about Kido’s gender / Kido being assumed to be a boy, even in the Japanese fandom. - Kano wouldn’t later debut until Kisaragi Attention’s music video / pv, now debuting together with the full view of the redesigned Kido. - Around this time is also when the official website was first opened, finally clearing confusions re: things like Kido’s gender, and initial character profiles. - At the time, anything to do with Ayano (pretty much) outside of Toumei Answers’ music video / pv had not yet been revealed / released. Toumei Answer also wouldn’t be released until the Mekakucity Days cd album.
-Seto, in these two music videos, appears very differently. In “Souzou” / Imagination, he is mostly seen while still young, or young-appearing. His full outfit / “taller” redesign hadn’t yet been made. You can barely see Seto’s eyes at all in the entire pv, as they are closed or hidden almost the entire time. - Seto in “Souzou” appeared to hold out what looked like, at the time, a music player or mp3 player, playing actual music. In “Kuusou” it looks a little more obviously like a cell phone. He appeared to still play music for Mary to hear, as opposed to the current Manga Route. - (In the Manga Route, she instead hears text message notifications from a younger Kido, Kano, and Ayano and is startled. From there, almost the entire course of Manga Route changes the dynamics of the Trio.) - (younger Kido, Kano and Ayano hadn’t even been designed yet as of Imagination Forest’s video.) - reminders: when Imagination Forest first debuted, Kano hadn’t existed yet, and neither had Ayano, much less her concept or related storylines concerning the Trio. They literally did not exist at the time. At all. (to the fanbase, anyway.) Why is this important re: timelines?! [THEORY]: Manga Route 1:
ch. 08 - Souzou Forest I ch. 09.5 - Mary’s Imaginary World [ NOT LONG AFTER, INSERT: ROUTE RESET ] [ no thanks, Snake of Clearing Eyes & Mary ] [ no thanks, the entire Mekakushi Dan & Seto dying by Clearing ] Manga Route 2: .... ..... .... [insert in between chapters, until .... ] ch. 24 - Shounen Brave ch. 25 - Shounen Brave II ch. 26 - Kuusou Forest I-1 ch. 27 - Kuusou Forest I-2 ch. 28 - Kuusou Forest II ch. 29 - Kuusou Forest III ch. 30 - Kaien Panzermast I [ ^ there is no further “Souzou Forest” chapters after the “I” in Manga Route 1. ] ..... “oh” ..... ????? Real World Timeline: [2012] - Souzou Forest / Imagination Forest (pv): January 31, 2012 - Konoha’s State of the World: March 30, 2012 [young Kano & Kido’s debut ][*note: Seto’s redesign was shown in silhouette form for the first time, but he was not pictured with the trio at the orphanage. Ayano also debuts here design-wise for the very first time. Most of Ayano’s storyline had barely seemed created yet. ] - Kuusou Forest / Fantasy Forest (pv): May 18, 2012 - Kisaragi Attention (pv): May 27, 2012 [Kano’s debut, design wise] [*apparently, the novel had been written around/by this time] [*the scene where Momo meets the Mekakushi Dan was said to be related in Novel 1, despite this song being a part of Music Route and not Novels Route. ] - after: most other music videos / pvs, debuting in chronological order until/through (and into 2013): - Mekakucity Days (cd album) [w/Toumei Answer]: May 30, 2012 - Kagerou Daze - in a daze - (Novel 1): May 30, 2012 [Japanese] [* Kano’s personality / storyline first begins being unveiled here. ] - Kagerou Daze manga begins - June 15, 2012 [2013] - Souzou Forest I manga chapter - March 27, 2013 - Mary’s Imaginary World manga chapter 9.5 - around May 27, 2013 - Mekakucity Records (cd album) - May 29, 2013 [ * Outer Science and Mary’s Imaginary World premiere audio-wise. ] [ * also included: “Summer Endroll” and “Crying Prologue” instrumentals ] - Outer Science (pv) - August 31, 2013 [ ^ ... MUSIC ROUTE RESET ] - Kagerou Daze I manga chapter - November 15, 2013 [ ^ MANGA ROUTE 1 ENDS by means of Saeru (as “Kuroha”). RESET ] [ ^ MANGA ROUTE 2, the current manga Route, begins. ] - Shounen Brave (pv) - December 25, 2013 [Japan preview] - Mekakucity Actors anime: announced for literally the very first time along with / during Shounen Brave’s pv debut. Hasn’t even aired yet (until much later).
BONUS: - Shounen Brave was ALWAYS listed as “Episode ?” by Kagepro creator Jin.
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[ “Are you afraid of [‘hearts’]? “Do you lack the courage to change tomorrow ?” ] ( note: the paralleled younger Seto + older Seto’s. ) ( NOTE: THE 3:35 TIMESTAMP, in the above video ) ( note: only Kido is still seen at the end. no Kano. ) “The crouching girl said, Yesterday, today, and the day before yesterday I had a dream that this wide world was easily crumbled.” Kido & Kano in Konoha’s State of the World [ note the lack of young Seto ]:
[ also note the totally different looking “Ayaka Tateyama”: ] [ (who also hadn’t been redesigned yet, much less had storyline) ] [* Ayano was shown here to the fanbase for only the literal first time]
[ ^ Seto’s full redesign is only previewed in silhouette. ] [ but why isn’t he seen at the orphanage here with the trio ??? ]
[ ^ note young Kido looks very different here as well. ] [ she does not have a “hime-cut” type of hairstyle and wears her hood already. ] [ * (the redesigned young Kido wouldn’t appear until Yobanashi Deceive’s pv.) ] [ she’s even smiling openly! ] [ ( you can barely even tell that’s “Ayaka” ..... ) ]
[ ok, but. if Seto was supposed to exist at the orphanage BEFORE them ... ] [ WHY ISN’T HE SHOWN THERE ?!? ] [ was it just because “spoilers” or ..... “SPOILERS” ?? ]
( + bonus Kisaragi Attention Kido & Kano (+ later Seto) under the read more! ) ( + ... Shounen Brave / Music Route theories ! )
[ ^ the opening! Kano is literally first seen this way (haha). ] [ also including: Seto’s full redesign, Kido’s full redesign ] (reminder: the FOLLOWING SCENE (Momo meeting the Dan) is relating early NOVELS ROUTE [Novel 1] particularly, despite occuring within MUSIC ROUTE pv-wise.) (timelines order: Music [+extra] -> Manga -> Novels and/or MCA) (MCA: ‘closest to the latter’)
[ ^ cancelling out Kano’s power. ]
(later..... [back to Music Route?])
[FULL MUSIC ROUTE TIMELINE (HERE)] (”The events in each time period are ordered in numbers. If there are multiple events with the same number within the same time period, this indicates that the events takes place in the same time”) [ ok but WHAT IF, IN A PARALLELED ? MUSIC ROUTE TIMELINE ..... ]
[ basically: - just like how young Kano met Ayano BEFORE encountering the Daze (^ in “The Deceiving”, Novel 5) - could young Seto have met Mary *AROUND encountering the Daze, too ?! ] [ in a PARALLELED TIMELINE(S) perhaps ?? ]
#kagepro: theories#kagepro: refs#kagepro: comparisons#kagepro: questions#kagepro: timelines#imagination forest#souzou forest#fantasy forest#kuusou forest#setomary#kousuke seto#mary kozakura#mekakushi trio#shuuya kano#tsubomi kido#seto refs#mary refs#kido refs#kano refs#mekadan refs#outer science#marys imaginary world#shounen brave#kagepro: music route#kagepro: manga route#kagepro spoilers#very long post#(THIS TOOK FOREVER TO GATHER REFERENCES FOR but yes literally KANO. DID NOT EXIST. WHEN IMAGINATION FOREST WAS FIRST MADE I WASN'T EVEN HERE#(ok but seriously Sidu once went 'there's a reason why young Seto is seen with scissors etc. in the pv but' SPOILERS and DIDN'T REVEAL WHY ?#(basically: 'if Kano met Ayano pre-Daze' 'COULD SETO HAVE MET MARY POST-DAZE BUT PRE-MEKATRIO IN SOME TIMELINE SOMEWHERE TOO')
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