#all he remembers is someone tried to murder him and a very experimental procedure saved his life

[fagbearentertainment]

I especially need a doc for Trevor (tv head) and Weston Briar (alastor rip off) bc I have so much intricate lore for them that is important for their story but will never reasonably come up in the mediums I tell thru

[ibringyouasong89]

On your post about Lucifer and Chloe, i actually agree with you. The last episode felt really awkward and out of place. At first i was so excited about the kiss and then i realised how ooc it was for Chloe. The fact that Luci talked about proving his worth but did nothing to actually prove it was stupid as he was still checking out women while trying to tell Chloe that they could work. Luci is still a man-whore who would probably get bored of Chloe in a week and Chloe deserves better than that.

Whoever you are, THANK YOU! Seriously, one out of two of my favorite messages!And this new episode just further confirms how they’re trying to rewrite Chloe’s character - suddenly and unexpectedly - right after fleshing-out her character for the past season and a half (while not providing more insight or flashbacks about her past or how she came to be the person that she is).I promised myself I wouldn’t watch the new episode, but I wanted to give the writers the benefit of the doubt. Which I did and now I’m even more disappointed.First of all, I’m glad the sex scene turned out to be a dream, but if you ask me, again, it was WAY too early and rushed for this kind of thing to occur between them. If anything, I would’ve preferred to have seen a sex-dream (that either Chloe or Lucifer was having) and have had her/him woken up in confusion and terror because it was about her and Lucifer: two people who are still in denial about their growing attraction towards the other. Something which would’ve been acceptable as a Season 3 event instead of what we just got…cause now, after a whole season and a half of finding him repulsive and turned-off by his sexual escapades and lack-of-emotional-knowledge and overall immaturity, she’s suddenly attracted to him and finding him to be…boyfriend material? Meanwhile, he’s still belittling her CHILD, you know, TRIXIE?! And there has been little-to-no screen-time/bonding between Lucifer and Trixie. But now, if he becomes Chloe’s boyfriend by the end of this season, they’ll have all the time in the world to bond…because that, apparently, is the ONLY way it CAN happen. *heavy sarcasm.*Secondly, as much as I love Maze and her awesomeness, Chloe listening to her advice about “loosening up” was really immature and impractical. Two things that Chloe is not supposed to be. And I know Maze meant well, in her own way, but why does Chloe have to get laid in order to be happy or “loosened up?” Sure, sex is sex, and I guess for some people, they can get off on having “some fun” with people and leave it at that. But I had estimated Chloe’s character to be more level-headed than that, especially from an emotionally-intelligent and emotionally-mature perspective. But now, Chloe is being awkward in trying to be “seductive or sexy” in trying to get Lucifer to pay romantic-attention to her (and he STILL wasn’t getting it, which wasn’t a surprise) after heeding Maze’s advice…what?! Slapping him on the ass - which was just weird and unnecessary, but I suppose a change of pace from a female-empowering point-of-view - and then giggling loudly at something he said (which wasn’t that funny) and then remarking how romantic it is to make out with someone in a library (meanwhile, Lucifer is all “yeah, been there, done that.”). When, exactly, did Chloe suddenly decide to change her entire personality over-night and revert to acting like a teenage girl/young adult? And why does she have to change at all? I suppose people do act immaturely, in certain respects, in relationships or while around their “crush,” but this just seems…juvenilely stupid.Then there’s the whole unprofessional-angle where she goes ahead and antagonizes a serial killer…what the hell was that?! She suddenly decides to be impulsive, listens to Lucifer about attacking the professor’s ego, and causes said-psychopath a “trigger moment,” which results in a deadlier situation. Granted, he was already involving those two innocent young men in his “experimentation,” but now the conclusion is that she got herself poisoned because she attacked said-criminal’s ego based on an impulsive-suggestion (which wound up in driving an escalating situation skyward and she had to get into a fast, violent, physical confrontation with the psycho-professor who stabbed her with a poison-needle when he punched her in her side). How is that professional and protocol-based, especially for a seasoned detective/cop? The only time I’ve seen a detective/cop/federal agent antagonize a psycho serial-killer into a showdown is generally when there’s some personal vendetta that each character is striving to solve, yet is mirrored/paralleled by their opponent, who also happens to be their “opposite.” And all of that usually takes place in a high-profile blockbuster movie…not some TV cop-procedure-drama show that airs weekly. And as such a badly sketched-out episode as this one was.Another moment that I had a problem with is happening in two areas of this episode. When Chloe bursts into the room at the frat house/dorm - where the party is taking place - and sees Lucifer lying around, surrounded by all of these drunk, obviously-sexually-active, young, beautiful college girls. Chloe immediately jumps down his throat and assumes that he was going to have sex with them. Then, later on, when he asks her point blank (and honestly, he STILL needs her to tell him that she trusts him - like she hasn’t been proving that all along, especially given what she did in a certain courtroom for him), if she trusts him, she says yes and runs off after the professor in pursuit. I found that to be SO hypocritical. She trusts him to watch her six and back her up - even to be good/noble enough to save innocent people - but not to be around other people and talking to them without her supervision or without feeling threatened? How is that trust? And okay, fine, you can blame insecurity on her behalf…but that still doesn’t mean that she trusts him to be around other attractive people (and let’s face it, he finds everyone attractive, which is cool) unless she’s there to watch/check him.What’s even worse is that the writers are pushing them into this early “relationship” scenario in order to have it be an even bigger impact for when Lucifer finds the truth about Chloe. (Which he does in this latest episode.) But it’s SO unnecessary. You don’t HAVE to be in a relationship with someone (romantically-inclined or not) in order to find something heartbreaking. HELL, you could just be really good friends with someone and STILL have your heart shattered by them. And the sad part is, Lucifer turns right around and accuses Chloe for being part of this whole “Divine Plan,” as if she had a clue about what was going on or what he was even rambling on about. Remember, she still doesn’t believe that he’s the “Devil,” and again, that’s mostly because he refuses to admit/show the truth to her (because he’s afraid to lose her trust, which comes from the big part of his nature that is SELFISH). But for Lucifer to turn on Chloe, after she’s done EVERYTHING under the sun to prove that she is trustworthy and not out to get him, just speaks EVEN MORE about how much Lucifer DOESN’T TRUST CHLOE. And now he’ll probably even consider that a justified notion since anything that was developing between them - especially this newly-rushed romantic-entanglement *gag* - wasn’t “real.”Not to mention the awkward stare-down that went on between Dan and Lucifer. Seemed to me that Dan’s still-having-feelings-for-ex-wife-who-is-becoming-involved-with-you-whom-I’m-starting-to-consider-as-a-friend-though-I-hate-to-admit-it stare completely flew over Lucifer’s head…*sigh* It all just seems out-of-sorts and sporadic, if you ask me. A lot of people say this has all been building up, since day one, because of all the moments these two share. I, for one, did not see a whole lot of romantic undertone to those moments. I saw romantic POTENTIAL, which differs ENTIRELY from undertone, but thought that the moments between Lucifer and Chloe spoke of genuine (albeit tentative) bonding scenarios. Bonding moments that would help them develop a healthy, deep friendship that could then take flight and soar off into romantic-UST-unspoken communication-deep bond-tentative touching-more RECIPROCATED touching-eventual unexpected kiss land…but whatever. I laughed at the right moments, I even thought when Chloe hugged him and said she was “glad that he was okay” was sweet and cute…but for the most part, I still feel unfulfilled and disappointed by this episode. My faith and trust in the writers is dwindling more, day by day. I usually like to record the episodes on my DVD player so I can go back and re-watch them (so I can speed through the commercials instead of waiting for ads to finish like you have to do on Hulu), but I did not feel the need to do so tonight and right now, I’m kind of glad that I didn’t.I, personally, did not care for the whole “I’m not worthy of you” speech that Lucifer gave Chloe at the end of the 2x11. For one thing, Lucifer has VERY low-self esteem. We see that with how he regards himself and how he talks about himself. The only time he seems to have anything good to say about himself usually involves his sexual deeds and how good he is in bed. We also see how low of an opinion he has of himself when he went ahead and tried to commit suicide via being-murdered while in close proximity to Chloe, which would’ve resulted in an immediate death. He genuinely does not accept himself. Lucifer constantly needs people to accept him in order for him to be able to accept HIMSELF.

He showed his true face to Linda once and used her as his human-yard-stick to see if others could handle the undeniable truth about his existence/identity. But he doesn’t show his face proudly, like Maze did with Trixie during Halloween’s episode (while admittedly holding her breath to see if she’d be rejected or not). He does so out of FEAR. Because he knows that his true appearance causes humans to be truly terrified-out-of-their-minds and disgusted-to-the-core-of-their-filthy-souls. All of those eons of having the same reaction from people has taught/shown him that he is something to be reviled and shunned and truly grotesque. Something that is worth being feared. And for most of the time, he has used it to his advantage, especially in being Hell’s #1 Punisher and King. But he has never shown his true face/self in order to gain true connections with other (to really open up to other people) because he already expects to be rejected. (People always reject and fear what they don’t understand, after all.) And again, this is all a big issue that he refuses to address or acknowledge. It’s a continual and cyclical topic that he, point-blank, refuses to share with Chloe.What also bothered me about that moment was the fact that, after Lucifer spells out how he’s totally “unworthy” of Chloe, she does nothing to correct that assessment. She just says “yeah, you’re right” and then kisses him. Is that supposed to be a statement of “Yes, you are unworthy and yes, you are right about WHY you are unworthy, but I’m going to kiss you and choose you anyway, despite your unworthiness.”?!?! And sure, yeah, you can take the kiss as a sign of affection and that she TOTALLY finds him worthy…but why couldn’t she have argued against his claims and TOLD HIM THAT HE WAS WORTHY?! Why couldn’t she have listed as many reasons for his worthiness as he did for his “unworthiness?” Lucifer is someone who constantly NEEDS affirmation that he is a good, kind, lovable, misunderstood soul. That he will be cared about/for and that he won’t be abandoned. Instead of giving him a meaningful speech about ANY of those attributes or issues, she just goes ahead and kisses him. That kiss wasn’t necessary to get any of that across. It was just…ambiguous-filler and very anti-climatic and disappointing.In regards to your other point about Lucifer getting bored with Chloe, I don’t know about that. The fact of the matter is, we don’t know if this is Lucifer’s first committed relationship or not. Maybe he had tried experimenting with “commitment” in the past with someone else (a demon, another supernatural being, or another human) and didn’t care too much for it or found it hard to be committed to that individual. Or maybe this IS his first, true, tentative approach to being in a committed relationship with someone. If it is, he may treat it as an experiment or the new shiny toy in his life. Will he stay with Chloe, after learning all there is to know about her (her deepest desires and all the twists and turns that exist in her soul), and accept that she is both mortal (if she does stay human) AND someone who was handcrafted by Dad/God in order to be in his “path?” That I can’t say. The writers obviously thrive on being unpredictable and are purposely going out of their way to make everything unpredictable, even already-carved-out character personalities.So…*blows out a breath* yeah. I’m going to suck it up and torment myself by watching the “winter-finale.” I will not have hopeful expectations and will be anticipating disappointment. Anyways, thank you for your message and glad to know that I’m not the only one who’s finding this sped-up-relationship questionable or lacking. Feel free to message me again!