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F&B Propaganda: Paternity Disputes (or Lack Thereof)
Something that's always confused me when reading Fire & Blood is why some characters have their paternity placed under scrutiny due to a lack of resemblance to one parent, while others are given a pass. These are some thoughts and analysis I had on the subject.
So, we all know F&B is a pseudo-history book written from a plethora of unreliable pseudo-sources, some of whom very well may be telling the truth, other's who are fibbing a bit (or a lot), and the rest that told flat-out lies and regurgitated gossip. Therefore, certain inconsistencies, like paternity debates, are not showing that GRRM is an inconsistent writer, but rather him pointing out the blatant favoritism and narrative spinning that happens when history is written. Simply put: unless/until we get the events of F&B written in an ASOIAF style multi-POV structure, most of the stuff in F&B is meant to be taken with a grain of salt, some grains bigger than others. For example: Visenya being "jealous" of Rhaenys over Aegon preferring her romantically is clearly out-of-character, but treated as legit because Visenya is not a well-liked person in the grand-scheme of Westerosi history and culture. Therefore, painting her as envious is a way to spin her as "bitter" and "unlikable," when she more than likely just had a lot of ambition, and/or did what she thought was right for the Targaryen cause (flawed those actions may be).
We all know Rhaenyra was the subject of side-eyes over her three eldest sons, Jacaerys Velaryon, Lucerys Velaryon, and Joffrey Velaryon, who are officially recorded as sons of Laenor Velaryon; however, it's widely believed (and canon in the show) that they are biologically the sons of Harwin Strong, who Rhaenyra had an affair with because Laenor was gay and their attempts to conceive children were not successful. The reason in-universe people believed (both in the books and the show) that they were Harwin's is due to their dark hair and eyes (Harwin has green eyes in the show, but in the books it's inferred that they're brown like the Velaryon boys'.)
However, the Velaryon boys are not the only ones who don't share the same coloring as their parents (or the parents on paper). There are actually two others that come before them in the Targaryen bloodline that share that in common, however their paternity is never called into question. They are Alysanne and her daughter, Alyssa.

Biblically accurate Alysanne Targaryen. "Her eyes were blue rather than purple, her hair a mass of honey-colored curls." - Fire & Blood (pg. 131, ch. "The Year of the Three Brides")
Alysanne is the fifthborn child and secondborn daughter of Aenys Targaryen and Alyssa Velaryon. Her older siblings were Aegon, Rhaena, Viserys, Jaehaerys (who she married), and Vaella (passed away in the crib). All of Aenys and Alyssa's children are inferred to have had stereotypically Valyrian features (silver hair and purple eyes); Rhaena is the only one we get a full description of outside of Jaehaerys and Alysanne, but if the others didn't look Valyrian, it definitely would've been noted in the book. Aenys and Alyssa are noted for both having Valyrian features (par. 3 here & F&B p. 127; Aenys weirdly enough never gets hair color mention, but if it were anything other than silver we'd know, but we'll get to Aenys in a minute). We're told explicitly Alysanne has a head full of honey colored curls and blue eyes. But this is never brought up as a point of contention or placed her paternity up for debate. It's just assumed that it's due to her maternal grandmother, Alarra Massey, being an Andal woman.
However, this assumption is never mentioned in F&B. Her features are just mentioned and that was it. The theory laid-out by fans is that her hair and eyes come from her grandmother, however, Alarra's looks are never detailed in F&B. We only know that she was considered very beautiful (p. 127); and there are plenty of people of Andal descent who do not have blonde hair and blue eyes.


"Her [Alyssa Targaryen] hair was a dirty blonde tangle with no hint of silver to evoke the dragonlords of old, and she had been born with mismatched eyes, one violet, the other a startling green." - Fire & Blood (pg. 287, ch. "The Long Reign-Jaehaerys and Alysanne: Policy, Progeny, and Pain")
Which brings me to her daughter, Alyssa Targaryen, who was also noted for having non-traditional Valyrian features (dirty blonde hair, green and purple heterochromia eyes). But Alyssa's paternity is also never brought up as possibly being anything other than what was recorded at her birth. (As for the show, Daemon's perspective on his mother is warped due to being knee-deep in the Targaryen sauce, so that's why I think his mother doesn't look like what she's supposed to in the show. If they ever do an adaptation of Jaehaerys' reign, I hope they don't throw a silver wig on her, but given what they did to Rhaenys who tf knows?) Interestingly, Alyssa is also described as long-faced, which is a trait associated with the Starks, and Alysanne was noted for being close to...Alaric Stark (I'll spare you that theory though.)
This is all fascinating with the knowledge of the dance being in the exact same book, because Rhaenyra has three dark haired and dark eyed boys and there's all of this speculation. Some may assume it's because both Rhaenyra and Laenor have silver hair and purple eyes, but so did Alysanne's parents, Aenys and Alyssa V. And like their great-great grandmother, Alysanne (if we're to believe she simply looks like her grandmother), Jace, Luke, and Joff also have a grandmother with non-Valyrian looks in Rhaenys, who in F&B had dark hair. There is no report of catching Rhaenyra and Harwin screwing around, jut observing the differences in looks of her children and Laenor. Surely, if we're to never assume that Alysanne is not a bastard because her grandmother (may have) had the same features/genes that simply skipped a generation, we could also do the same for them?
Sidebar: I am not saying that Alysanne is secretly a bastard or that the Velaryon boys' actually are trueborn, just that the reasons for this assumption are silly. If one kid is going to have their paternity scrutinized for not resembling their parents coloring-wise, then all kids who fall in that category should. That being said it is important to point out that it's not IMPOSSIBLE for Alysanne and the boys being/ not being a bastard to be true. It's been pointed out for years by the fandom that the people in ASOIAF don't understand genetics. The only reason Ned had a leg to stand on is because Cersei straight-up admitted to sleeping with Jaime, and letting him father her kids. Had Ned realistically went to Robert without Cersei's admission, and said that her children are not his because they have blonde hair and green eyes, he would be laughed at because a child resembling their mother and not their father is common. And on the off-chance that he does get some traction with it, well, not enough people would believe him, and Tywin would make a bigger example out of House Stark than he already has.
But again, secret-bastardy/secret-trueborness is not the point I'm trying to make. And if Alysanne were really a secret bastard, then, honestly, more power to her. She'd only become more iconic in my eyes.
So this begs the question: why are some people not speculated on for not resembling one or both parents coloring-wise while others aren't? It brings me back to the introduction: F&B is propaganda and certain pseudo-historical figures need to be portrayed in a certain light in order for the story they want to tell to be successful. This goes doubly-so for those that were close to Jaehaerys, and in this case: his mom (Alyssa V), his wife (Alysanne), and his daughter (Alyssa T).
Jaehaerys is considered the peak of the Targaryen dynasty and well liked by the establishment in Westeros (the Citadel, the Faith, various lords and ladies of the major houses). He is the Great Conciliator. Therefore, certain "creative liberties" being afoot is quite expected and this is not above the antics we see take place during his reign. Just look at how the true cause of Gael's death was covered up for years and the fishiness of Saera's disappearance and Viserra's death.
Alyssa V is considered a perfect mother, despite the less-than-stellar choices she made with her children outside of Jaehaerys. She's considered to be so great that the lords that sat the Small Council were able to put aside their misogyny and allow themselves to be ruled by a woman until Jaehaerys came of age. She is one of the main reasons Jaehaerys was able to take the Iron Throne in the first place. It would not go well if the man who was considered to be the greatest king of Westeros had a mother who may have cuckolded his father. Compare this to Aenys, who despite having Valyrian features had a one-off rumor about him being the secret bastard of Rhaenys the Conqueror and one of her male favorites mentioned in F&B; and this is 100% due to the fact that Aenys is considered by Westerosi historians to have been a weak and incompetent king. (Just think: if Aenys, who resembled his parents, had bastard rumors - do you seriously expect us to believe that neither Alysanne nor Alyssa ever had any?) "But, Jaehaerys is strong, brave, diplomatic, wise, etc... of course he comes from a mom who embodies Westerosi ideals to a tea. She even died trying to give her second husband more heirs despite her delicate age. Such a moral [debatable] man could only be born from a woman who was nothing but dutiful."
Alysanne is considered the perfect wife and queen consort, highly regarded for the active role she took during her husband's reign. She was intelligent, altruistic, birthed many children, and rode a dragon. She was so good at her job as queen she got several laws passed that now share her name. "Not only could such a woman not be born a bastard, but she in addition to being Jaehaerys' wife is also his sister, and could surely not be born from a woman who would ever risk bringing a bastard into this world."
And then, there's Alyssa T, the secondborn daughter and fifthborn child overall of both Alysanne and Jaehaerys, and was a wife to the highly regarded Baelon (also her brother), which means she was never going to be on the receiving end of those accusations. She even escapes having the usual witchcraft practitioner and/or lesbian/queer rumors that are usually thrown at women in Westeros who do not fit the traditional ideas of being a woman (even Visenya had those accusations). Her preferring boyish activities is never painted as a negative by the narrative unlike with other women in Westerosi culture. "Of course she's straight as an arrow and brags about how much sex she's having with her well-beloved and cherished-by-all brother-husband who was considered a peak heir and would neverrrrrr marry a bastard. Of course she thought most girls were idiots. Of course she brags about how many sons (never daughters) she's going to give her husband. Of course she does not care about anything outside of being a broodmare after being married like all good girls do. Bastard? Never. Two of her grandsons were kings we fondly remember. She is trueborn like her mother. She is Athena if she fucked."
But Jace, Luke, and Joff? Their mother was the first ever female heir apparent (not presumptive, apparent) to the Seven Kingdoms, and kept this status even after her father had three sons. She never apologized for this. And she entered a war over for her claim. "She wore a braid like that crazy warrior-witch Queen Visenya. She's breaking tradition by going ahead of her brothers in succession. She's bitchy sometimes. She's not thin like good women are supposed to be even after birthing several children. Speaking of children, yeah she did her duty and had many male heirs but some of them have dark hair and she's a whore, so they must be bastards. She's trying to take over a man's place. Of course she's evil and reveled in the deaths of her baby nephews. Of course she fucks outside of marriage. Honestly, I'd be more surprised if they weren't bastards!"
TL;DR: F&B uses paternity debates as a way to attempt to delegitimize/sow doubt against people the narrators don't like, this only prove by how inconsistent one's potentially faulty paternity is evoked on the basis of looks and nothing else. The chances of any of your trueborn faves secretly being a bastard is never zero. Now, I kind of want Alysanne to be a secret bastard.
UPDATE Sept. 5, 2024: Edited for grammar, word-flow, and minor spelling mistakes.
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Non-Valyrian spouses/rumoured lovers of Velaryons
#valyrianscrolls#preasoiafedit#asoiafedit#velaryonedit#housevelaryonedit#litedit#asoiaf#house velaryon#alarra massey#son of lord tarth#rogar baratheon#joffrey lonmouth#qarl correy#hazel harte#marilda of hull#aliandra martell#septa rue#edit#*mine
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1AC
Aegon I is crowned king
Barba Stark is born
Daemon Velaryon is born
#game of thrones#asoiaf#sims 4#sims 4 maxis match#sims 4 gameplay#sims 4 asoiaf#house velaryon#house targaryen#visenya targaryen#rhaenys targaryen#alarra massey#house stark#torrhen stark
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#visenya targaryen. || visage.#daenerys targaryen. || visage.#( alt. )#thinking about Them#d.any & her moon of my life vibes & her lunar imagery !!!!#bc atp if the velaryons are black in the show & d.aenerys has martell dayne & blackwood heritage?? she's Very mixed poc atp#iirc daenerys & viserys & rhaegar are like. what 1/10th targaryen as aegon & co. they're not even full targaryen or w/e that means lmao#so i interpret daenerys is being like. HEAVILY mixed. like. white black native desi latina & visenya is half black.#hence the alts !!#bc i interpret the blackwoods as indigenous / first nations coded; betha blackwood was an indigenous queen of westeros#bc remember daenerys has non-targaryen heritage too. the daynes of starfall through dyanna dayne mother of aegon v who i interpret as desi.#the martells of sunspear through myriah martell mother of maekar i & i personally interpret the martells to be very mixed desi latine coded#the arryns of the eyrie through aemma arryn mother of rhaenyra i targaryen who were hella white.#house blackwood of raventree hill through betha blackwood mother of jaeherys ii & shaera targaryen who i personally interpret as indigenous#house massey of stonedance through alarra massey grandmother of jaehaerys i & alyssane targaryen who i interpret to be mixed indigenous.#house rogare of lys through larra rogare of lys mother of aegon iv & naerys targaryen.#& finally house velaryon of driftmark through valaena velaryon the mother of aegon i visenya & rhaenys targaryen#& on TOP of that alyssa velaryon mother of jaehaerys i & alyssane targaryen. who in the show the velaryons are canonically black.#like. can you imagine how insane & powerful it would be seeing a mixed girl of color go from a timid abuse victim to becoming a dragon quee#a BEAUTIFUL & POWERFUL dragon queen who rides dragons & ends slavery?? the whole mhysa scene?? that'd be fucking insanity#& on TOP of that she's a CONQUEROR almost taking on a genghis khan role so if she DOES conquer westeros ?? she'd technically be an EMPRESS#but the predominantly white fandom doesnt wanna hear that so lmao#& also my daenerys is allied with the velaryons & the celtigars who're mixed east asian - valyrian & yitish mixed.#betha blackwood was her great grandmother; dyanne dayne her great great grandmother & myriah martell is her great great great grandmother !#larra rogare is her great(x5) grandmother; aemma arryn is her great (x7) grandmother ! idk i just think its neat lmaoooo#& not to mention even if the targaryens are white originally later on down the lines especially they'd be VERY mixed even w/ the inbreeding
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DUDE WHERE IS THE TREEEEEEEREE *affectionately but kinda forcefully*

on god i swear It Is In The Works. im truncating it <3 when your family tree is a circular ladder, you got 2 grandparents instead of 4, your mother is also your stepmother, your step mother is also your aunt, your father-in-law is your half-brother and cousin, and your husband is your nephew and also your wife >>>>>>>
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Female Ancestors of Rhaenyra Targaryen
Valaena Velaryon & Alarra Massey
Rhaenys Targaryen & Alyssa Velaryon
Alysanne Targaryen & Alyssa Targaryen
Daella Targaryen & Aemma Arryn
The Realm's Delight
I know I'm still in 103 AC. which means Rhaenyra is like 6 years old, but I just can't help it. I want to post the grown version of her and I've wanted to make this post for such a long time now! I'll probably rush through parts of Viserys' reign until at least the next generation comes of age.
#finally got around to posemaking#I really suck at posing hands and idek what happened to alysanne's eyes...#the sims 4#sims 4 medieval#sims 4 asoiaf#sims 4#ts4#sims 4 hotd#house of the dragon#ts4 medieval#simblr#my sims#sims 4 fantasy#sims 4 targaryen#sims 4 gameplay#sims 4 screenshots#sims community#Viserys I#sims 4 cc#the sims
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Tags continued: Part 2
mothers and daughters (part 1) Emily Baldoni as Daenys Targaryen // Eliza Taylor as Elaena Targaryen (daughter of Gaemon) // Connie Nielsen as Alarra Massey // Viva Bianca as Alyssa Velaryon // Rachel Weisz as Jocelyn Baratheon // Anya Chalotra as Rhaenys Targaryen (daughter of Aemon) // Elle Fanning as Daella Targaryen (daughter of Jaehaerys) // Emma Watson as Aemma Arryn // Elizabeth Lail as Hazel Harte // Alicia Agneson as Daenaera Velaryon
#Daenys Targaryen#Daenys Targaryen Emily Baldoni#fc: Emily Baldoni#Elaena Targaryen (daughter of Gaemon)#Elaena Targaryen (daughter of Gaemon) Eliza Taylor#fc: Eliza Taylor#Alarra Massey Velaryon#Alarra Massey Velaryon Connie Nielsen#fc: Connie Nielsen#Alyssa Velaryon Targaryen Baratheon#Alyssa Velaryon Targaryen Baratheon Viva Bianca#fc: Viva Bianca#Jocelyn Baratheon Targaryen#Jocelyn Baratheon Targaryen Rachel Weisz#fc: Rachel Weisz#type: graphic#tbc (too many tags)
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The Targaryens are enormous hypocrites about their precious pure Valyrian blood, and it started long before Aerys was racist towards the Dornish while being the descendant of Myriah Martell and Dyanna Dayne himself.
As far as I'm concerned, none of the ruling Targaryens is a pure-blooded Valyrian, including the Conquerors. The wives of Aerys (great-grandfather of Visenya, Aegon, and Rhaenys), as well as his son Daemion, are unspecified. While there's a chance that they were descended from Aenar's siblings or belonged to some families of Valyrian heritage that resided in the Free Cities, there's another huge possibility of them having nothing to do with Old Valyria at all.
And then, we have the Velaryons, who are never mentioned to practice marriage between siblings. In fact, they seem to intermarry with the Westerosi very well, as Alyssa Velaryon is the daughter of Alarra Massey, and House Massey is of First Men origin. As we know, the marriages between the Targaryens and the Velaryons happen very often.
Conclusion: Rhaenyra and Daemon, as well as their stans, can get off their high horse. Also, the whole argument about pure blood is disgusting and really shows how people buy into the Targaryen supremacism.
#anti house targaryen#anti targaryen#anti targ stans#anti team black#anti rhaenyra targaryen#anti daemon targaryen#hotd#asoiaf
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Queen Alyssa Velaryon
Daughter of Lord Aethan Velaryon & Lady Alarra Massey.
Sister of Lord Daemon Velaryon.
Wife to King Aenys I Targaryen & Lord Rogar Baratheon.
Mother to Queen Rhaena Targaryen, Prince Aegon Targaryen, Prince Viserys Targaryen, King Jaehaerys I Targaryen, Queen Alysanne Targaryen, Princess Vaella Targaryen, Lord Boremund Baratheon & Lady Jocelyn Baratheon.
Reigned as Queen Consort from 37 - 42 AC.
#queen alyssa velaryon#queen alyssa#alyssa velaryon#house velaryon#velaryon#house of the dragon#hotd#a song of ice and fire#asoiaf#game of thrones#got#crusader kings 3#ck3
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Before I get started, it is my opinion that these prophecy arcs within HotD are more book-based, especially Aegon's prophecy, which is confirmed to come from GRRM.
With that being said, I might be trippin, but after the latest episode, I think Daemon might be the precursor to Bloodraven. We never found out what happened to Daemon's body or if he even died during the fight with Aemond above the Gods-Eye. What if he somehow made it to the shores of Harrenhal or even the Isle of Faces and got hooked up to the Wirewood net like his great-grandson and was guiding events that were to come before Bloodraven ultimately took over?
I mean, who came before Bloodraven? There must've been someone, and what if that someone was his own great-grandfather, and both of these “rouge Taragyens“ ended up in higher-minded places, guiding events that are to come, which will ultimately lead up to Daenerys Targaryen and her dragons.
And before you say that this is impossible since Daemon doesn't have any First Men's ancestry, that's not entirely true. His great-grandmother's (Alyssa Velaryon) mother was a Massey, Alarra Massey. House Massey is an anicent house that can trace their ancestry back to the age of heroes, and after Aenys I and Alyssa's marriage, the next couple generations of Taragyens went back straight to sibling incest, leading up to Viserys and Daemon.
So yeah, Daemon does have a fair amount of first men blood in him, just like Daenerys has with her Blackwood ancestry. Her great-grandmother was non other than Betha Blackwood, the wife of Aegon V, and of course Bloodraven is also part Blackwood, and then, of course, there is Jon with his Stark blood. The blood of the first men does flow strong in our main Targs.

(Btw, this theory is partly based on GrayArea, who made a similar prediction about Daemon all the way back in 2021 before HotD came out, focusing on the main source material.)
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since ladies-in-waiting obviously exist in concept in the ASOIAF world, do you think that Queen Visenya, Queen Rhaenys, Queen Alyssa, and Maegor's wives had them?
personally, i like to headcanon that Argella Durrandon, the daughters of Edmyn Tully, Alarra Massey, and the wife of Daemon Velayron served as ladies-in-waiting at Aegon I's court at some point.
i also headcanon that Ceryse Hightower was a maid-of-honor before her marriage to Maegor, and Alys Harroway was a maid-of-honor to Ceryse AFTER Ceryse's marriage, which is how Alys caught Maegor's attention (as if Maegor didn't already have similarities to Henry VIII).
(still headcanons) when Maegor was king, Alys' sisters served as ladies-in-waiting/maids-of-honor to her, and i think Elinor Costayne could've been a lady-in-waiting to Alyssa Velayron at some point.
oh btw, a maid-of-honor is basically the same as a lady-in-waiting, however maids-of-honor are unmarried and usually younger, while ladies-in-waiting are married or widowed and usually older
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Birdie, I have something I HAVE share with you. I was reading about how Alysanne took after her grandmother Alarra Massey in her coloring and I simply must share a plea for Lucemond’s final surprise child in misty dream. Aemond’s prayers are finally answered when he gets a dark haired girl, a child who seems to be a carbon copy of her great-grandmother Rhaenys. The other children, while shocked at the late pregnancy, are somewhat relieved with their new sister. Children always seem to give Luke an energy boost and Aemond has finally gotten his dark haired daughter, but they’re mostly relieved with the idea that there will be a daughter to care for their parents when they age. Jokes on them because all this girl wants to do in learn to fight. She’s inherited Rhaenys spirit too: proud, highly intelligent, a cold and serious demeanor, stoicism and a skill with weapons that rivals Aemond own. But also like Aemond, she has no charisma—only successfully ever charming Luke and a few siblings. No rizz to be found here, just like her kepa. In adulthood, she’s taller than all her siblings except Gaemon. She’s also a staunch loyalist to Valyrian traditions. Once she claims Meleys as a child, a fiery temper makes itself clear.
Because she’s the dark haired girl Aemond has been waiting for, the spoiling gets even worse than with the others, meaning he allows her to train with weapons. In a sad way, she becomes the child he trains and hunts with, goes over military history with, flies with the most. This is something that causes a little resentment in Aenys-it would be one thing if she simply acted like the rest of his spoiled sisters, but even as child she proves herself to have the natural bearings of an heir, despite being the youngest. This causes a really strained relationship that lasts decades. She grows up during an interesting period in for Aemond and Lucerys marriage because it’s a point in time where Aemond has really matured and learned to step back from ruling Summerhall all on his own. He and Luke split the duties more evenly now which means that when his daughter is old enough to develop her personality and hold a sword, Aemond has a lot of free time to spend with her.
However this is what causes a lot of tension with Aenys. He should be having the time of his life: he has the freedom to shadow Luke, learn to rule from him—which means he gets to spend all day with his muna. However as the new sister begins to grow, he develops this idea she’s gotten the childhood he should have had, one not stifled by Aemond’s harsh way raising his heir to be. This is a feeling he’s struggled with before with Valerion, but that was easier to stomach because his brother never found interest in what heirs should be taught. Again, this causes a lot of resentment because this girl seems to be better at everything than he was at his age, and she’s smart enough to see right through him. It gets even worse when it becomes clear that while she doesn’t have her eye on the Summerhall, she wants nothing more to be to one to inherit One Eye from Aemond; a desire that only grows when her Aunts Baela and Rhaena gift her Rhaenys copper armor after Meleys has been claimed. Aenys thought he’d be free of a sibling rivalry when Gaemon left, but this new child is even worse. She’s also unimpressed with him, which fuels his inferiority complex. It’s like having a child with the personality of your father look down on you, though the actual kid looks like your mother.
She isn’t really close with Saera, Gaemon, Naerys, or Valerion since they’re away from home due to either marriage or study, nor Daenys who is fostering at Driftmark. Despite not really knowing him, she respects Gaemon the most since he’s a knight, but clashes all the time with Rhaella since a) she’s stolen Aemond’s attention in a way Rhaella can’t seem to understand (Rhaella goes through the same thing Aenys did when Valerion was born) and b) because she finds her rash behavior/personality childish. She’s protective over Maegelle because she sees her as a the perfect kind of Lady a knight and fighter would protect (actually Maegelle and her give me sapphic opposite coloring Lucemond vibes). However the two of them will eventually come to a crossroads in that she doesn’t believe Maegelle should worship the Seven (which you’ve sort of implied she’s dedicated to?). She believes the religion to be a weakness and a danger to their House. From her extended family she admires Rhaenyra and idolizes Baela, but finds herself the happiest with Viserys since he’s the only one to keep up with her intellectually; they speak for hours whenever he and Saera visit home. (Not sure if Elaena and Daena exist here but if they do this trio raises hell).
I’m not sure if you’ve made Rhaegar and Maekar official md kids, but I have thought of some characteristics for them as well if that is not too presumptuous? I like to think Rhaegar is basically a male version of Sansa. He dreams of marrying Princess of Dorne while spending the days writing poetry. Out of the entire family, he’s the one who has copied Luke’s fashion sense the most (though he’s definitely judged for it because unlike Valerion he doesn’t share the unusual nature of their muna’s body—meaning more feminine clothing can’t be explained away). Dorne is his only hope for a accepting spouse, but also like Sansa he really wants to be an official prince of the realm and manage (not rule) a great House. He takes inspiration from romanticized stories of Luke during those early years of Summerhall in that he wants nothing more than to rear children and support his wife who will run things (something he never voices aloud). (On that note I really do think seeing Luke, a man, play the part of a mother would most definitely influence the way his sons would act with their own children. Having a son who couldn’t get pregnant but still observes the way in which a man can act as a mother does and want to emulate that (but physically couldn’t) would def be something Luke and Aemond would have to reconcile with.) When it come to material goods, he’s spoiled more than anyone. Pretty boy gets pretty things. His own egg never hatched but when they’re old enough his sister takes him on rides on Meleys. Maekar becomes Summerhall’s own little Master of Whispers (nothing he loves more than gossip and reading his parents’ mail). He’s extremely devious but hides it behind a tired facade. His own dragon hatched when he was a teen, and it’s a blue version of Caraxes, the hatchling is a permanent fixture curled around his neck. There’s no one he respects more than Luke after growing up with all the trade deals he created with Essos. (Also he’s very much a dark horse in the regard that he’s the resident slut of Summerhall—no one else seemed up to the task and he definitely inherited the horny gene from his parents. Enjoys entertaining visiting lords’ sons (Lucemond def not seeing any grandchildren from this one). Maekar has a whisp of madness worse than any of his siblings that makes itself known when he hears vitriol about his brother Rhaegar (he’s beaten one or two people to near death who’s tongue became too loose in their judgements). So this final daughter sees Rhaegar as someone to protect just like Maegelle, and Maekar is her partner in crime when she needs one. I like to think of these three + Daenys as the “Post-Essos” babies. Aka the result of when Lucemond went majorly horny whenever Luke took a business trip. Daenys after that first trip he took with Rhaella and Gaemon to Pentos, Rhaegar is after the Summer Isles, Maekar after Volantis, and this last daughter after Braavos. I like to think these cities somehow influence each kid.
Make no mistake, she doesn’t want power, she only wants to fight, hunt, fly, and debate with Aemond. Btw all this time she spends with Aemond makes her develop an obsession towards Luke, less of a muna complex and more a need to protect. Lucerys actually has a special place in his heart for her, not because she’s the youngest or because of her hair color, but because of the calm that she brings Aemond; Luke doesn’t need a friend in these later years (he’s busy enough running Summerhall with Aenys by his side) but he is indescribably happy that Aemond has finally found a friend, a person to speak to in confidence (a role his brothers never filled). I absolutely adore the idea that Viserys prepares her to be the next Hand after himself (which will definitely fuel Aenys inferiority complex for the rest of his life). It’s bitter to acknowledge, but while Aemond knows Aenys is a fine heir for his legacy, he can truly entrust the safety of Summerhall’s place in the realm in the hands of his youngest daughter, with Meleys by her side and the Hand’s pin on her jerkin. Did this whole creation come from wanting Lucemond kid that Arya, Brienne, or Lyanna would look up to? Most definitely. But I also love the idea of Aenys going through a quarter life crisis because he is threatened by a child that would so clearly make a perfect heir. The only thing for this I need is a name! I was thinking Aelora or Jaenara, or maybe Luke gets inspired after a trip to Essos and chooses Shiera? Either way, I hope this is a welcome gift. By no means am I saying ‘add this oc to your story or else.’ Just me be like, hey the vibes of your story inspired this. Adopt her, use tidbits of what I’ve written, or just ignore!
oh anon i love this !!! i always love when yall come up with your own ideas for this little universe we’ve made up !!
any daughter that looks like luke is going to be spoiled ROTTEN. aemond is older and much softer by the time she comes around so he will let that girl walk all over him. she gets anything and everything and can do whatever she wants. she shows up to her married siblings keep on dragonback when she’s bored
as for the younger boys, i always envision rhaegar and maekar as opposite personalities that still get along really well. they still follow luke like ducklings but have to be more self sufficient since luke is a busy lord now 😔 they are more eccentric and wild since they are younger children and have less responsibilities. aenys finds them a bit annoying and maegelle generally dislikes anyone that stresses her out.
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Posthumous Characters GIF Sets → Alyssa Velaryon
She had been a beautiful child, all men agreed, the daughter of the mighty Aethan Velaryon, Lord of the Tides, and his lady wife Alarra of House Massey. Her line was ancient, proud, and rich, her mother esteemed as a great beauty, her grandsire amongst the oldest and closest friends of Aegon the Dragon and his queens. The gods blessed Alyssa herself with the deep purple eyes and shining silvery hair of Old Valyria, and gave her charm and wit and kindness as well, and as she grew suitors flocked around her from every corner of the realm. There was never any true question of whom she would wed, however. For a girl such as her, only royalty would suffice, and in the year 22 AC she married Prince Aenys Targaryen, the unquestioned heir to the Iron Throne. Theirs was a happy and fruitful marriage. Prince Aenys was a gentle and attentive husband, warm-natured, generous, and never unfaithful. Alyssa bore him five strong, healthy children, two daughters and three sons (a sixth child, another daughter, died in her cradle shortly after birth), and when his sire died in 37 AC, the crown passed to Aenys, and Alyssa became his queen. In the years that followed, she saw her husband’s reign crumble and turn to ash, as enemies rose up all around him. In 42 AC he died, a broken man and despised, only five-and-thirty years of age. The queen scarce had time to grieve for him before his brother seized the throne that rightly belonged to her eldest son. She saw her son rise up against his uncle and die, together with his dragon. A short while later, her second son followed him to the funeral pyre, tortured to death by Tyanna of the Tower. Together with her two youngest children, Alyssa was made a prisoner in all but name of the man who had brought about the death of her sons, and was made to bear witness when her eldest daughter was forced into marriage to that same monster.
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𝐀𝐥𝐲𝐬𝐬𝐚 𝐕𝐞𝐥𝐚𝐫𝐲𝐨𝐧
ENFJ
Gryffindor
Lawful Good
2 of Cups
Virgo Sun, Scorpio Moon, Aries Rising
The daughter of Aethan Velaryon and Alarra Massey, Alyssa was a graceful yet outspoken woman who accepted her role as a woman but didn’t leave the power to the men.
It was said that she would openly jest at Maegor in court, and later on in her life she became Queen Regent - the ruler of the Seven Kingdoms until Jahaerys came of age.
Alyssa married her cousin, Prince Aenys Targaryen I, the son of Aegon the Conqurer and Rhaenys Targaryen. Although Alyssa and Aenys’ marriage was a political one, they proved to be fruitful. Together, they had six children: Rhaena, Aegon (known as The Uncrowned), Viserys (died at 14 by torture from Maegor), Jaehaerys, Alysanne, and Vaella Targaryen (died in the cradle).
After the death of Aenys, Visenya brought Maegor back from exile to rule. After her husband’s funeral, Alyssa fled to Driftmark with her three youngest children, Viserys, Jaehaerys, and Alysanne. There, she proclaimed her eldest son, Aegon, the true king of Westeros.
Dowager Queen Visenya eventually traveled to Driftmark and convinced Alyssa to return to court for the wedding between Maegor and Tyanna of the Tower. Alyssa, along with her children, were present for the ceremony. And Alyssa even took part in the bedding ceremony.
However, Alyssa’s presence brought forward rumours that she favoured Maegor over Aegon. That she abandoned her son’s cause.
When Visenya died, the chaos allowed an opportunity for Alyssa to escape with Jaehaerys, Alysanne as well as Dark Sister. Visenya's Valyrian steel sword, from the dead Dowager Queen's chambers. Although, Viserys was left behind, and in revenge Maegor tortured his nephew to death.
Viserys’ body was left in the Red Keep, in the hopes that Alyssa would return for the body. She did not.
After continuously on the move, Alyssa and her two youngest children landed in Storm’s End. Rogar Baratheon protected them, and he proclaimed Jaehaerys to be the true and lawful king of the Seven Kingdoms.
Suddenly, Maegor died and the circumstances remain mysterious even now. Nine days after his death, Jaehaerys came to King’s Landing on the back of Vermithor, and a few days after that Alyssa, along with Rogar and his army followed.
Alyssa was Queen Regent until Jahaerys turned sixteen. She married Rogar, who became Hand of the King and she gave him two children: a son and a daughter. However, she died during the second birth - the same way Aemma Arryn and so many other women died. Forced c-section, although they did not have a term for it.
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hotd/f&b drama girlies dont understand how crazy a REAL lore nerd goes. "retconned rhaenys' baratheon hair :(" "alicent was just a bitch in fnb :(" do you guys even know that rhaenys had her hair retconned already. grrm forgot about the black hair the first time and had to retcon it in f&b. do u guys even know the drama of the jaehaerys children getting retconned. how in TWOIAF his eldest child was listed as aeryn and then in F&B aeryn was written out and replaced with daenerys who died of a winter chill. they dont even know that alyssa velaryon's mother changed from a targ to alarra massey in order to explain why alysanne had blonde hair and blue eyes. lmao do they even know about maestar gyldayn..
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targaryen sims pt. II
King Jaehaerys I Targaryen had the purple eyes of House Targaryen. By the time he had turned twenty-four, Jaehaerys looked “every inch a king”. He was a tall and handsome man who wore his hair in a thick braid that fell almost to his waist and his facial hair had grown out into a handsome full golden beard, shot through with silver. Jaehaerys was wise beyond his years. He was fair-spoken, open-handed, and as chivalrous as he was courageous.
Queen Alysanne Targaryen was a small woman, slim of waist and slight of frame. According to a semi-canon source, she was small of breast, with a long neck, a fair complexion, a high forehead, and high cheekbones. Alysanne was described as "pretty", but seldom as "beautiful". She had blue eyes and honey-colored curls. Her lack of the classic Valyrian coloration of silver-white hair and purple eyes may have been due to the fact that her maternal grandmother was Alarra Massey. She was considered to be gentle, kind and loving.
King Maegor I Targaryen was a tall, broad, and fearsomely strong man. He was bull-like, with heavy shoulders, a thick neck, and huge arms. Though he was on the heavy side, he was not fat, but more massive and square. He kept his hair short and his beard trimmed to his jawline. He had angry-looking, suspicious eyes, and a scowling mouth. Maegor was quarrelsome, quick to take offense, slow to forgive, and fearsome in his wroth.
Queen Rhaena Targaryen had lively lilac eyes and silver-gold hair. At eighteen, Rhaena was considered brave, fierce and headstrong. As an adult, she was sometimes stern and sometimes shy, frequently brooding. Rhaena had no interest in other people's children, but was possessive of her own, and of people she loved. She was furious when betrayed, and scornful of those she did not trust.
Princess Aerea Targaryen was the mirror image of her twin-sister, Rhaella. She had silver-gold hair and purple eyes. Aerea proved to be lively, quick-witted, and adventurous. She soon spent half her days in the kennels, stables, and dragon yards. Aerea was regarded as having a willful and stubborn temperament and a bold tongue. During her time on Dragonstone, Aerea became a terror, defying her septa, mother, and maesters, abusing her servants, absenting herself from activities without leave, and insulting the people at her mother's court.
Septa Rhaella Targaryen was the mirror image of her twin-sister, Aerea. She had silver hair and purple eyes. She was a shy, timid girl, much given to tears, bed-wetting, and fears. She was frightened of horses, dogs, boys with loud voices, men with beards, and dancing, and terrified of dragons. She was a learned and devout young woman though much given to stammers and blushes.
descriptions by A Wiki of Ice and Fire
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