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type40thiefoflight · 2 years ago

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Happy one year anniversary.

I’m still mad that Mark specifically wrote ISWM in a way that would bait us into thinking Engineer was Actor but then saying in his livestream that he isn’t. Besides this one statement, there isn’t anything to support this. If take the series at face value, without taking Mark’s remark into consideration, there is so much evidence pointing to them being the same character.

If he had written Part 1 to lead us on but then in Part 2 he gradually peppered in hints and a reveal that they were in fact separate characters, I wouldn’t be upset at all. I would consider that clever storytelling while playing with the audience’s expectations. I would think, “Wow, he really had us there, but what a twist!”

Instead we got a comment on an explanation stream that turned everything on its head.

However!

Here’s why Mark saying Engineer isn’t Actor doesn’t matter.

What Mark says in explanation streams can explain his vision and intention for his stories, but it can’t be considered canon. What he’s saying is “Word of God,” meaning that it’s something that he meant to be true but never made it into the final product. He can say something like wanting Actor to die from him and and Wilford playing Russian Roulette in the wine cellar, but until it shows up WAIA it isn’t actually canon.

He specifically said during his WKM explanation stream, “If it’s not in the story right here then anything else could be anything. What exists is what’s on the screen.”

That being said, here’s all the reasons why Engineer is Actor:

In his 10 Years of Markiplier ISWM explanation stream he said, “Engineer Mark is not Actor Mark, but Actor Mark might just be Engineer Mark.”

So what does this mean?

It means that just like Noir and Murdock, Actor is Engineer from another universe that the wormhole accesses. If you’re familiar with the Loki show, Actor is a variant.

“Who Killed Markiplier” takes place in one of the many universes that Captain gets sucked into while they’re traveling through the wormhole. That’s why ADWM and AHWM are from the viewer’s perspective. It’s the perspective of Captain seeing different variants of themself, Engineer, and the rest of the crew live out different lives.

The problem is that that particular universe just so happens to be the home of a sentient, inter-dimensional house that behaves similarly to the warp core crystal.

This means that there are two paradoxes that converge: One stemming from the warp core crystal, and the other from the house.

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Paradox 1: Time Loops:

Engineer finds a warp core he knows nothing about but still integrates into The Invincible II anyway.

A bunch of systems malfunction and the warp core goes offline before disappearing into a wormhole, attempting to resolve an unknown paradox. After repairing the systems, Engineer gets the idea for him and Captain to jump in to find the warp core and bring it back to close the wormhole.

This is not very successful.

What they do succeed in doing is dying a lot and get split up so they’re spat out in different universes at different times. At one point, Captain winds up in a weird, dimly lit version of the warp core room where it entrusts them with its crystal so they can resolve the paradox. Throughout their involuntary space-time jumps, they encounter many different variants of Engineer, including Actor wanting to go on a second date wearing the same suit from ADWM, him in his green room stating his parole is almost up wearing his red robe from WKM (a direct follow-up to Actor saying he only has five years of parole left in one ending of Date), and a noir detective who wants to ask them out on a date.

There are two certainties in the multiverse: Wilford Warfstache and a Mark variant wanting to date a Captain variant.

Engineer and Captain repeatedly encounter Agent Alu Minium from the Universal Stability Agency who accuses Captain of being deliberately responsible for mulitversal devastation. They eventually explain that the two aren’t in a time loop and resetting the ship each time; Captain is actually killing off each universe they go through whenever they make destructive decisions.

“The multiverse is littered with the corpses of your failures.”

After so many trips through the wormhole and attempts to fix things resulting in the ship getting destroyed, Engineer becomes distrustful of Captain and begins to believe Alu’s accusations. He decides to hole himself up in the warp core room and “rebuild” the warp core from scratch so he can use it to go back in time and stop Captain from destroying everything. Captain eventually appears in the warp core room, Engineer takes their crystal to power the warp core, and convinces them to let him go through the new wormhole back to the past.

Once back in the past, Engineer sneaks onto The Invincible II so he can sabotage the warp core, support systems, and Captain’s cryo-pod to try and prevent them from destroying the multiverse.

This backfires and causes a time loop. After another lifetime of universe hopping, Engineer sends himself, Captain, the warp core, and accidentally Alu to the void as a last-ditch effort to save the multiverse. The warp core initiates a universal reset so it can have another chance to resolve the paradox, starting another set of time loops. In every time loop but one, Captain lets Engineer go back to the past. In the last loop however, they instead decide to take the crystal from the warp core and throw it into the wormhole, finally resolving the paradox.

Engineer realizes that without him going back to the past, the warp core won’t be there to power the ship and he won’t be there to sabotage it and the systems so nothing malfunctions and the wormhole functions as intended. The multiverse explodes and is reset one final time with him and Captain making amends when faced with their new home planet.

Paradox Resolved.

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Paradox 2:

Actor and Wiford grow up in a house that can control space, time, and reality. After years of being exposed to this phenomenon, the two have absorbed and honed these abilities.

Wilford can teleport throughout the house by traversing the Upside-Down (the in-between dimension that looks grey and has floating dark particles everywhere). He also teleports onto the Invincible II, and can control time and wormholes. He can also traverse and bleed through the void dimension in the house as shown by him appearing in Abe’s noir pocket reality and Damien being able to hear his conversation with Abe from Celine’s. He has a pocket reality of his own that serves as his interview studio.

Actor gains immortality (or at least the ability to possess his own corpse), traps Damien and Celine in the void without a way back to their own bodies, possesses Damien’s body, is able to enter Celine’s pocket reality she is keeping Damien safe in, and utilizes the house’s reality-shifting properties to write stories where he is the hero and the District Attorney trapped in the mirror plays his oblivious sidekick.

Actor writes “A Heist with Markiplier” where he and Heist Partner steal a box containing a warp crystal from a museum. Immediately upon removing the box from its pedestal, reality around that spot glitches into red, blue, and green, indicating the triggering of an anomaly. Merely being in possession of this crystal causes a whole bunch of universe jumps where Actor and Heist Partner get into many strange scenarios and meet some weird people, most importantly Professor Beauregard. She identifies the crystal (well, the crystal’s box) as the instigator of the anomaly causing all the multiversal destabilization.

The crystal not only transports Actor and Heist Partner through alternate universes as shown by the different choice paths and Yancy’s tattoos, but it also controls time. Opening it in Ending 16 (The Interview) sends Heist Partner all the way back to “The Fall of Slenderman,” Wilford’s first appearance on Mark’s channel, before he closes it and starts interviewing Heist Partner. Opening it during Ending 6 (The End) rewinds everything back to the beginning of AHWM, where Actor decides to forgo the heist and asks Heist Partner out on a date, directly leading into his next story, “A Date with Markiplier.”

Anomaly Resolved.

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How the Paradoxes Interact:

Remember when I said the house can manipulate space, time, and reality?

WKM, WMLW, DAMIEN, ADWM, AHWM, and parts of ISWM all take place in the past and inside the house. Or at least, they take place inside realities created in the void accessed by the house. That museum? Yup, that’s in the house too. The house can alter reality and the crystal can teleport across realities, so it’s not outside the realm of possibility that it would be attracted to and land in a place with similar properties to itself.

This means that when Captain throws the warp crystal through the wormhole when it comes out the other side it lands right at Darkiplier’s feet inside a reality connected to the house. He immediately recognizes the crystal, making it the same one housed in the museum.

“So much trouble, all for something so small.”

Based on his shoes and bit of sleeve cuff we get a glimpse of, he’s probably also wearing the same suit as when he brings Heist Partner to Warden Murder-slaughter’s desk in the void. It’s not clear how the crystal wound up in the museum specifically.

The huge wormhole ripped open by the warp core is allowing universes to bleed into each other.

Variants of Engineer bleed together when he glitches after going through the wormhole so many times in the “Jump in Again” section.

Actor’s character Heist Mark is in “Where in the World is Markiplier?” disguised as the man hunting him down. He uses the reality warping power of the crystal he stole to transform back when Captain calls him out on his disguise. Noir and Captain run into Abe, who seems to be existing in the same reality as him, meaning they hopped into a reality inside the house.

Engineer’s speech about good vs. evil is echoing his mannerisms from his experience as Actor wanting to be the hero vs Damien’s/Darkiplier’s villian.

The environmental lighting turns red and the WKM ending music (Who’s There 2 by Peter Sandberg) plays when Engineer realizes he built the warp core.

After putting out the fire on the bridge Captain gets transported to the Upside-Down, full of “Don’t wake the Captain” posters. They later get transported to the universe the Upside-Down showed them where Engineer is the only one alive on the ship. “I go and I come back and I go and I come back and I ALWAYS COME BACK!” could just be a Springtrap reference on top of being about Engineer’s multiverse jumps but it could also refer to Actor’s many deaths that didn’t stick.

Yancy is there and he and Captain recognize each other. He thinks they’re Heist Partner because they are. That’s another life they lived when traveling through the wormhole. His tattoos also shift to reflect the new choice paths and his knuckles say WARP CORE instead of DARK MARK.

Wilford appears on the Invincible II, but that doesn’t necessarily mean anything when he can hop around time and space willy-nilly. BUT he does see us in WMLW when he’s simultaneously talking to Abe and complains about how he has to re-schedule our interview that happens in AHWM.

Celine is a variant of Celci, that’s why Noir has a sticky note in his locker “Dorene=Celci?” It explains why Celine’s pocket reality was a snowy forest; Celci’s the head of Cryo.

Dorene Whitacre is obviously Celine, she dresses nearly identically, constantly reminds Engineer that she’s divorced, and even quotes her brother’s [redacted] catch phrase, “Life is ours to choose.” She’s supposed to be asleep in her cryo-pod but isn’t: Celine is supposed to be asleep in Darkiplier but might be waking up? Darkiplier with Damien fully in control wears mostly black with some white, maybe Darkiplier with Celine Fully in control is the inverse? AHWM is the only time his suit is white with a black shirt rather than black with a white shirt, reflecting Damien’s mayoral tuxedo.

Dorene/Darkiplier can appear in the Invincible II the same way Wilford can: they gained the power to teleport and warp reality. How else could they bring Date and Heist Partner into their void for private conversations?

Heehoo from Unus Annus is canon now?! He’s probably just a joke reference.

Illinois finds Captain in the cryo-pod, no idea how he got on the ship.

Professor Beauregard comes back.

Captain sees Alu in the warp core room but it’s in the Upside-Down.

Field Reporter Jim from WKM interviews Captain at the USA.

Too many references to the WKMCU: Chef, Actor, Date, and Heist Mark, WMLW Abe and Wilford, all the stories Stan/Dad decided not to read

TL, DR:

Heist Partner, Date, and District Attorney are all Captain variants.

Actor and all of his characters are all Engineer variants.

Engineer is not Actor, but Actor is Engineer,and thanks to the overlapping paradoxes, what I just said is simultaneously correct and incorrect.

There might be a universe where Engineer is Actor who got way too lost in his role the way Engineer does with the bomb squad technician and camp councelor.

#iswm #actor mark #engineer mark #markiplier #markiplier egos #markiplier theory #yes this is a fleshed out revamp of a post i made last year #yes mark's remark was deliberate #you're welcome #long post

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