#against poor persecuted dragonmoney hundred-millionaire stonk traders and their unsellable heaps of ruby-plated ferraris
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eh, it's not really *changing* so much as people are just getting more skillfully passive-aggressive and oddly specific about it, and a lot of the people who were big on that sort of thing back then have since either threw a tantrum and left when the eye vials came back, left the game in general just because it was nearly 10 years ago, hoarded all the big-ticked items and got bored because they felt like there wasn't anything else to do anymore, felt like they won and so haven't thought about it in quite so explicit terms in awhile, have gotten bored with the idea and/or the game after it slowly became more and more the case that no one could afford to buy their Rare Collectibles tm anymore and the fever-pitch of "the final mandatory achievement to be a real fr player is to have all the sprites" culture and basically sprite collecting culture in general died off as a result, or have moved from exclusively that to being more interested in a more varied, subtle, and esoteric blend of ways to signal that they're a real, proper, acceptable player. it's a beast that's very much not dead, only lying in wait, and these people would absolutely groggily wake and come shrieking out of the woodwork anew at the mere suggestion of anything happening to one single fraction of a cent of the hypothetical resale value of their precious sprites that even they can't sell or buy anymore and no one but them even cares about ever since we all realized it was pointlessly impossible to even long-term goal for one.
The most frustrating part of the conversation about retired items is that the people who really want to push for more things to retire so that they'll "appreciate in value" don't seem to understand that if there isn't enough supply for the demand, it just means that no one gets anything.
It means that the player selling the Light Sprite for more than what my mortgage is worth...doesn't sell the Light Sprite, because most people can't fucking pay for it. And it means that players who want the Light Sprite can't have it because its only listing is beyond the definition of expensive, or that saving up for years is a race against other people trying to save up fast enough to buy it first. Either way, most players go without.
It means that, with enough retired items, you end up like GaiaOnline. Yeah, there's tons of limited items that may "appreciate in value" but the truth of that...is actually this:
Some of these items have been on my wishlist for a decade.
These items have no value because not enough of them even exist.
GaiaOnline used to be a place where "Questing" for an item was something that tons of people loved doing. Even I did it. I quested for a Fallen Wish back in the day, I quested for Inari's Beads, I quested for monthly collectibles every time one I liked dropped.
Now I'm not questing. Because the items I want simply don't circulate. This is what too many retired items does to an economy. I watched GaiaOnline die this way. Which is why I strongly oppose any retired items in any other site. Flight Rising doesn't need this.
#the thing i'd be most interested in seeing come back is the apparel#there's some useful things locked behind the price tags of Ye Olden Days#could care less about the familiars#i don't really bother going after familiars that i know the cost of obtaining them would be more than the money the chests would make back#the supposed value of them means very little to me beyond how realistically i could resell it as a rainy day fund#and there is very much an upper limit to how valuable something can be where you can still feasibly pull that off#said limit is much lower than people think it is#basically anything over 50 gems-unless it's an egg/scroll or a gem mp thing-is going to be sitting on the ah for multiple YEARS straight#no matter how “valuable” or “rare” it is#most “valuable” “rare” things people don't even bother to look at/for#because they know damn well they won't ever be able to afford them#and if you try to sell for cheap some absurdly wealthy scalper will just snap it up and slap it back on the ah for the “proper” price anywa#there's no way to keep these things from filtering right back into the rich people hoarding circle#that can't even afford their own/eachother's stuff anymore either#like i can't emphasize enough how physically impossible it is to ever be able to afford one of these things now without already owning one#these people have won! they've got what they wanted! it's just never going to be enough because it's the same mindset as real rich people#it won't be enough until everything is just about giving them and only them money forever and anything else is 'scriminating#against poor persecuted dragonmoney hundred-millionaire stonk traders and their unsellable heaps of ruby-plated ferraris#from which they can throw accusations of entitlement down at poor people who have increasingly ceased to care about their wealth-signals#i rememebr when “get a light sprite” was at the top of every other person's long term goal list#now that's as laughable a goal as “get an imp scroll” was then. i'm not sure most people even think about the old retired stuff anymore#i knew people who hoarded dozens of the things like limited run beanie babies#i'm sure nearly all of those accounts are dead now#with their bloated hoards of pointless theoretical wealth forever locked up gathering dust with them#people who base their wealth on an investment market are always mad when divine intervention doesn't force it to favor them#and then they're mad that ceaseless growth can never work out in their favor infinitely forever even when it does#because among many other issues for their investments to pay off someone still has to be able to BUY the damn things!#if anything ever stirs the old hoarders from their sleep i expect we'll eventually see them start making some argument along the lines#of that the reason they can't profit on their investments anymore is because everyone's too entitled and greedy or something#and not because literally no one can afford any of it at any price
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