#Yusuf Sari

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Hi! Previously in Ottomanladies you answered an ask about marriages of Burnaz Atike, Gevherhan and little Atike. So, some historians confused Burnaz Atike with one of Ibrahim's daughters when they claim she married Musahib Cafer Pasha (d.1647) in 1630, as according to Giorgio Giustinian in 1627, Koca Kenan (d. 1652) was already married to Murad IV's sister (Pedani, p.596). And some historians say Gevherhan was the one who married Cafer in November 1646, like Sakaoglu.

And according to Joseph von Hammer, the youngest daughter of Ibrahim betrothed to Cafer was married to the other Kenan, Sari Kenan (d. 1659). But some historians separate the wives of these pashas as Gevherhan marrying Cafer and her sister Atike marrying Sari Kenan, with Atike going on to marry Ismail Pasha.

However, in "Dubrovacka akta i povelje", a report of 1650s refers to "Ghiusciahato sultana moglie di Chieman passa", so it seems to me she married Sari Kenan after Cafer died. And the "Mémoires du Sieur de la Croix" in 1670s, pages 368, 369, 370 and 371 says: "Les soeurs du Grand Seigneur (...) la premiere fut mariée à trois ans, & eftoit à dix avec fon second mary Affaki Mehemet Pasha, Gouverneur dAlep, il fuit étranglé fous pretexte de fauffe monnoye, & elle fe maria pour la troisiéme fois avec Ibrahim Pacha Tefterdar, du depuis Pacha du Kaire, dAlep, & enfin Capitan Pacha, aprés la mort duquel Jemblat Oglou Gouverneur du Kaire la épousée en quatriéme nopces. La seconde mariée auffi jeune que sa soeur, a eu cinq maris, dont le dernier la prit vierge, à cause dun défaut de nature (...) Je ne fcay pas le nom des deux premiers, le troisiéme fut Sinan Pacha, lequel estant Capitan Pacha, perdit la Bataille des Dardanelles (...) Le quetriéme eftoit Ismael Pacha, ce grand Seigneur l ayant choifi pour und es Lieutenans generaux de l armée dHongrie (...) Le cinquiéme sappelle Kassum Pacha, il est Chirurgien de profession"

The quote says Mehmed IV had 2 sisters in 1670s. The 1st married Haseki Cavuszade Mehmed Pasha, then Defterdar Ibrahim Pasha and then a Canpulatoglu (son of Kosems Fatma?). The other, younger than the first, was married to "Sinan" who was Kaptaniderya, so it should be Sari Kenan. After him she married Ismail Pasha and then Cerrah Kasim Pasha, and also had 2 husbands before the first.

(All in all, I believe the first sister who married Haseki Cavuszade could be Beyhan instead, as in 1653, according to "Dubrovacka akta i povelje" she is called "Behar sultana, moglie di passa di Cairo", and in 1563 this was Haseki Cavuszade Mehmed; but interestingly historians believe he was Gevherhans second husband instead...)

In "Per favore della Soltana", several lists give us marriages of Gevherhan. In 1648, she is called widow of Cafer, in 1662 she is wife of Ismail Pasha, and in 1670 she is called wife of Casciu Pascia who is probably Cerrah Kasim Pasha. And in 1676 and 1680, she is called wife of a Canpolatoglu and not another Sultana as Croix claimed.

Paul Rycaut in "The Present State of the Ottoman Empire" also says Gevherhan married Ismail Pasha (and then remarried to Gurcu Mehmed Pasha): "At this tenderness of age, Sultan Ibrahim, father of the present Grand Signior, married three of his daughters, one of which was called Gheaher Han Sultan, hath had already five husbands, and yet as is reported by the world, remains a virgin; the last husband deceased was Ishmael Pasha, who was slain in the passage of the River Raab; and is now again married to Guirgi Mehemet Pasha of Buda".

So it seems to me that Gevherhan married the following: Musahib Cafer in 1646, Sari Kenan in 1647, Ismail Pasha after him, then Gurcu Mehmed, then Cerrah Kasim Pasha, and then maybe a Canpulatoglu (unless that was the other sister like Croix claimed, maybe Beyhan?), before finally marrying Palabiyik Yusuf later in life.

But after all this, I want to ask whether its possible that this sister of Mehmed IV called Atike existed at all? Because it seems quite certain that Gevherhan married Kenan Pasha and Ismail Pasha, not one named Atike, and historians did make a confusion with Burnaz Atikes marriages. And if little Atike didnt exist, was Gevherhan the full-sister of Mehmed IV instead? I know Gevherhan is believed to be born in 1642, and with Mehmed and Fatma it gets too much for Turhan, but Hammer describes her as the youngest daughter in 1647, and if the sister who married Haseki Mehmed was Beyhan, and she was reportedly married for the first time to another at the age of 3 as Croix claims, and the sister who married Sari Kenan and the others was younger than her, then Beyhan could still be born in 1645 as she married Hezarpare in 1648, and Gevherhan was born after her...

Hi! Please be patient with me because these asks take time to unwrap and I’m only doing this in my free time.

I think you’re talking about this ask. About the confusion, it’s something that Uluçay too believes:

Alderson confused the daughters of Ahmed I, Murad IV and Sultan Ibrahim, so he made mistakes.

Alderson confused the daughters of Ibrahim with the daughters of Ahmed I and Mehmed IV, and therefore made some mistakes.

and he’s right because the rapid successions plus the practice of marrying princesses as children created so much confusion.

(it’s so funny that he says that twice lmao)

Okay, so your theory is that Atike Sultan binti Ibrahim doesn’t exist and that some historians seem to have mistaken Burnaz Atike with a daughter of Ibrahim? I hope I understood well.

Everything under the read more (it's very... heavy, sorry lol)

I read Giustiniani’s relazione and the math is not really mathing because he says Murad IV put his four brothers-in-law at the highest posts of government but then mentions five brothers-in-law:

Çatalcalı Haşan Pasha: he’s Fatma’s husband

Hafiz Ahmed Pasha: he’s Ayşe’s husband

Bayram Pasha: he’s Hanzade’s husband

(Recep Pasha: he’s Gevherhan’s husband) > Giustiniani only mentions her as Osman II's elder sister

“Chinan” who, you believe, was Koca Sofu Kenan Pasha

“Mustaffà” ?? who is he??

Sicill-i Osmani says that Kenan Pasha married Burnaz Atike in 1633-34, but Giustinian’s last dispatch from Istanbul was dated 4 July 1627 so… did he foresee the future? Were there more Kenan Pashas?

(Also, who is that Mustafa??)

Now, onto Ibrahim's daughters.

So, I made this table to semplify things because I was going insane with all the information.

I think there is some confusion between Haseki Mehmed Pasha, who was strangled in Aleppo in June 1661 (like de la Croix says), and Çavuşzade/Çavuşoğlu Mehmed Paşa, who lived until 1681. Sicill-i Osmani doesn’t call the latter “Haseki” but he’s identified as Gevherhan Sultan’s husband. Now, the princess who married Haseki Mehmed Pasha could have remarried after 1661, but the one who married Çavuşzade/Çavuşoğlu Mehmed had to wait until 1681.

Beyhan is admittedly a mistery because she was married for less then a year to Hezâr-pâre Ahmed Pasha when she was little but afterwards didn’t have a husband for 11 years? It seems strange. If the Ragusian diplomats called her “wife of the pasha of Cairo” and if Haseki Mehmed Pasha was beylerbey of Egypt in 1653 (as Oztuna confirms in Devletler ve Hanedanlar), then Haseki Mehmed Pasha was married to Beyhan binti Ibrahim. Unfortunately my only Ragusian sources come from the essay Per Favore Della Soltana, and in it there’s a gap between a letter dated 1648 and one dated 1662.

About the Canpulatoğlu Pasha, I would like to add that Canbulad-zâde Mustafa Paşa had two sons with Fatma: Sultânzâde Hüseyn Paşa, who was governor of Budin and of Egypt, and Sultânzâde Süleymân Bey. Both lived to adulthood. Moreover, he had a daughter from his previous marriage: Ayşe Hâtûn. Maybe he had other sons too. It is interesting, though, that de la Croix says Canpulatoğlu is Governor of Egypt, because Sultânzâde Hüseyn Paşa was indeed governor of Egypt at some point.

About Atike binti Ibrahim:

(Uluçay doesn't believe she existed)

As we can see, Oztuna and Sakaoğlu use the same source. Oztuna, though, says that Atike binti Ibrahim was buried in Ibrahim’s mausoleum, while Sakaoğlu says that her burial place is unknown. Curiously, Atike binti Ahmed I is buried in Ibrahim’s mausoleum too.

Since Alderson gave his sources, I went to check. This is a passage from Histoire de l’Empire Ottoman, volume 12, pp. 49-50:

L'ainée, Aïsché, fiancée dès l'age de trois ans à Ipschir-Pascha, épousa à dix Mohammed-Pascha, gouverneur de Haleb; ce dernier ayant été décapité comme faux monnoyeur, elle devint la femme du defterdar Ibrahim, gouverneur du Kaire, puis de Haleb, et alors kapitan-pascha; à sa mort, elle fut mariée à Djanbouladzadé, ancien gouverneur d’Ofen, qui depuis remplit les mêmes fonctions au Kaire. La seconde, nommée Aatika, épousa d'abord le vizir Kenaan-Pascha, puis le vizir Yousouf-Pascha, et en troisième lieu le kapitan Sinan-Pascha, qui avait perdu la bataille des Dardanelles contre les Vénitiens; elle eut pour quatrième époux Ismail-Pascha, grand-inquisiteur en Asie, qui fut tué à la bataille de Saint-Gotthardt; enfin elle contracta une cinquième union avec KasimPascha, l'un des pages de la chambre intérieure, et chirurgien de profession, qui, lors de la circoncision du sultan Mohammed , sut arrêter, au moyen d'une poudre astringente, une hémorrhagie qui avait fait tomber le prince-en défaillance, service que ce dernier récompensa plus tard en donnant à Kasim le gouvernement de Temeswar. […] le Sultan, en reconnaissance du sang qu'il lui avait conservé, refusa de répandre le sien, et, pour le sauver, lui donna la main de sa sœur, qu’un vice de conformation avait empêchée d'appartenir à ses premiers maris, et qui, après dix-neuf ans de mariage, entra vierge dans le harem de Kasim. Celui-ci la délivra de son infirmité au moyen d'ine opération qu’il pratiqua pendant le sommeil d'Aatika, assoupie par un narcotique. Ce fut ainsi qu'il acquit des titres puissans aux bonnes grâces de la princesse, comme précédemment il avait mérité la faveur particulière de Mohammed IV.

Doesn’t it kind of sound like de la Croix (below)? I think Hammer’s source is him.

"La premiere fut mariée à trois ans, & estoit à dix avec son second mary Assaki Mehemet Pasha, Gouverneur d’Alep, il fut étranglé sous pretexte de fausse monnoye, & elle se maria pour la troisiéme fois avec Ibrahim Pacha Tefterdar, du depuis Pacha du Kaire, d’Alep, & enfin Capitan Pacha, aprés la mort duquel Jemblat Oglou Gouverneur du Kaire l’a épousée en quatriéme nopces. La seconde mariée aussi jeune que sa soeur, a eu cinq maris, dont le dernier la prit vierge, à cause d’un défaut de nature (...) Je ne sçay pas le nom des deux premiers, le troisiéme fut Sinan Pacha, lequel estant Capitan Pacha, perdit la Bataille des Dardanelles (...) Le quetriéme estoit Ismael Pacha, ce grand Seigneur l’ayant choisi pour un des Lieutenans generaux de l’armée d’Hongrie (...) Le cinquiéme s’appelle Kassum Pacha, il est Chirurgien de profession”

Now, I think Hammer starts with a mistake because Ibsir Mustafa Pasha was one of Ayşe binti Ahmed I’s husbands. Also, it’s impossible to say where he found that Mehmed IV’s eldest sister was named Ayşe. After these mistakes, though, he repeats what de la Croix said: Haseki Mehmed Pasha, Defterdar Ibrahim Pasha, Canbuladzâde Pasha. The second sister is named Atike (so he says) and stayed a virgin until her last husband, Cerrah Kasim Pasha, operated on her to solve some kind of physical problem she had. This story is similar to the one reported by Rycaut, but he named her Gevherhan instead:

At this tenderness of Age, Sultan Ibrahim, Father of the present Grand Signior, married three of his Daughters; one of which called Gheaher Han Sultan, hath had already five Husbands, and yet, as is reported by the World, remains a Virgin; the last Husband deceased was Ishmael Pasha, who was slain in the passage of the River Raab; and is now again married to Gurgi Mahomet Pasha of Buda, a Man of 90 Years of Age, but rich and able to maintain the greatness of her Court, though not to comply with the youthfulness of her Bed, to which he is a stranger like the rest of her preceding Husbands. — p. 40.

It’s possible that Rycaut had already left the Ottoman Empire when this princess married Cerrah Kasim Pasha. He’s the only one talking about Gurci Mehmed Pasha, though… Interestingly, Sakaoğlu corrects Rycaut’s Gürcü into “(Çavuşzade, Haseki)” but, admittedly, his quote is quite different from Rycaut’s original. In Sakaoğlu’s it is said that the pasha is 30, while Rycaut says he’s 90. Moreover, as far as I know, Çavuşzade Mehmed Pasha was never governor of Buda.

In conclusion, I’m more confused than before lol

As for Mehmed IV’s full sister, I really have no opinion on this. Usually, it’s Beyhan who is given as Turhan Hatice’s daughter but with no hard evidence.

You (and other people) can send me asks on ottomanladies now, I have re-opened my ask box. As I have already said, please be patient with me because I don't have much free time and these things need to be analyzed properly :D

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"Biz kalıyoruz,

günler gidiyor sessizce."

[rhaenahanzades]

As you know, in 1655, fourteen sultanas received gifts from Ragusian envoys:

1. Fatma sultana moglie di Fasli passa

2. Ghiusciahato sultana moglie di Chienan passa

3. Behar sultana moglie di passa di Cairo

4. Caia sultana moglie di Melek passa

5. Ruckie sultana moglie di Telak Mustafa passa

6. Fatisce sultana moglie di Haidar passa

7. Aisce sultana stata moglie di Gascir passa

8. Fatma sultana moglie di Jusuf passa

9. Vsci sultana moglie di Ahmet passa

10. Faslite sultana moglie di Lauer passa

11. Fatige sultana moglie di Jusuf basci

12. Inasce sultana moglie di Hassan passa

13. Hatige sultana moglie di Jusuf Gesali

14. Safie sultana moglie di Haidar Sade, figlia di sultan Murat

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1. Fatma Sultan binti Ibrahim, wife of Fasli pasha

2. Gevherhan Sultan binti Ibrahim, wife of Sari Kenan Pasha

3. Beyhan Sultan binti İbrahim, wife of Haseki Mehmed Pasha

4. Kaya Sultan binti Murad IV, wife of Melek Ahmed Pasha

5. Rukiye Sultan binti Murad IV wife of Tellak Mustafa Pasha

6. ???

7. Ayşe Sultan binti Ahmed I, wife of Ibşir Pasha

8. Fatma Sultan binti Ahmed I, wife of Koca Yusuf Pasha

9. Ümmügülsüm Sultan binti Ahmed I, wife of Ahmed Pasha

10. Fahrihan Sultan binti Murad III, wife of Dilaver Pasha

11. Atike Sultan binti Ahmed I, wife of Doğancı Yusuf pasha

12. Hümaşah Sultan binti Murad III, wife of Nakkaş Hasan Pasha

13. Hatice Sultan binti Murad III(?), wife of Jusuf pasha

14. Safiye Sultan binti Murad IV, wife of Haydarzade Mehmed Pasha

I have problem to identify certain Fatisce sultana, wife of certain Haydar Pasha. It could be misspelled by Ayşe, Atike, even Hatice. And I don't know whose daughter it could be. Maybe Turhan's daughter, Atike Ayşe Sultan? I don't know...

I wanted to ask you what do you think of this, who the sultana and the pasha are, because I am not sure.

Hi! Well, I'm sorry that I can't be of much help with this. I also have no idea who this princess could be, though I've been curious about her too. From what I searched about it before, there was apparently not an influential Haydar Pasha in that period (by influential I mean a vizier or admiral), which makes me think this princess might've not been exactly Turhan's daughter, maybe just one of Ibrahim's with a random woman. But as we know, there were cases were less influential matches for daughters of Hasekis and/or Valides were made depending on the situation (aka Hanzade with Bayram Pasha, which was a very specific situation). Unfortunately, we know nothing about this Haydar Pasha to make much with it and much less of what might've been his role in politics of that time.

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Kandıra'da iftar coşkusu

https://pazaryerigundem.com/haber/216956/kandirada-iftar-coskusu/ -

Kandıra'da iftar coşkusu

İzmit Belediye Başkanı Fatma Kaplan Hürriyet, CHP Kandıra İlçe Başkanlığı’nın iftar programında dayanışma mesajı verdi

KOCAELİ (İGFA) – İzmit Belediye Başkanı Fatma Kaplan Hürriyet, CHP Kandıra İlçe Başkanlığı tarafından düzenlenen iftar programında vatandaşlarla bir araya geldi. Kardeşlik ve dayanışma ruhunun hakim olduğu buluşmaya CHP Kocaeli İl Başkanı Bülent Sarı, CHP Kandıra İlçe Başkanı Gürcan Yalçıntuğ, CHP İzmit İlçe Başkanı Gökhan Ercan’a, İzmit Belediyesi Meclis Üyeleri, Yeniden Refah Partisi İlçe Başkanı Levent Gödek, Saadet Partisi İlçe Başkanı Ramazan Aslan, İYİ Parti İlçe Başkanı Yusuf Battal, Demokrat Parti İlçe Başkanı Olcay Çelik ve Kandıralılar katıldı. Fatma Başkan, yoğun katılımla gerçekleşen iftarda büyük bir coşkuyla karşılandı

HÜRRİYET, “İNŞALLAH DAHA GÜZEL GÜNLERİMİZ OLSUN”

Programda konuşan Fatma Başkan, “Ne güzel bu mübarek Ramazan akşamında sizlerle aynı sofranın etrafında buluşmak. Aynı dualarda buluşuyoruz. Rabbim tuttuğunuz oruçları, ettiğiniz duaları kabul etsin. Evlerinizden huzur, hanelerinizden bereket eksik olmasın. İnşallah bu sofraları her sene kurmak nasip olsun. Bu akşam bu dostluk sofrasında sizlerle olmak çok güzel. Herkese şimdiden hayırlı bayramlar diliyorum. İnşallah daha güzel günlerimiz olsun. 

“HERKESİN KALBİNE VİCDAN DİLİYORUM”

Böylesi ekonomik krizin bir an önce bitmesini umut ediyoruz. Tam da bayram gelirken torunlarına harçlık vermeyi kara kara düşünen emeklilerimizin Allah yardımcısı olsun. Çocuğunun yanına beslenme çantası koymakta zorlanan annelerimizin Allah yardımcısı olsun. Geleceği için kaygı duyan gençlerimizin Allah yardımcısı olsun. Bugünlerde en çok ihtiyacımız olan şey adalet. Ve herkesin kalbine bir dirhem de olsa vicdan diliyorum” ifadelerini kullandı. 

SARI, “DAHA AYDINLIK YARINLARA”

CHP Kocaeli İl Başkanı Bülent Sarı, “Bu güzel Ramazan akşamında orucumuz birlikte açmak nasip oldu. Ülkemiz zor günlerden geçiyor. Bugün 16 milyon İstanbullunun seçtiği, bizim de Cumhurbaşkanı adayımız Ekrem İmamoğlu hukuksuz bir şekilde Silivri’de yatıyor. Ülke olarak moralimiz bozuk. Maalesef geldiğimiz durum içler acısı. İnşallah çok daha aydınlık, adaletli, güzel günleri birlikte getireceğiz. Şimdiden Ramazan Bayramınızı kutluyorum” ifadeleri kullandı. 

YALÇINTUĞ, “SİZLERLE OLMAK BÜYÜK ONUR”

CHP Kandıra İlçe Başkanı Gürcan Yalçıntuğ, “Ülke olarak zor günlerden geçiyoruz. Bu zor günlerde sizlerin bu sıcaklığı, bizlerle aynı sofrayı paylaşmanız bizim için büyük bir onur. Davetimize icabet ettiğiniz için çok teşekkür ediyorum. Çok güzel bir akşam. Ramazan Bayramı arefesindeyiz. Tuttuğumuz oruçlar kabul olsun. Allah bayrama erişmeyi nasip etsin. İnşallah hep birlikte daha güzel günlere erişiriz” dedi. 

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Ketua DPR sebut pimpinan 11 komisi di DPR sudah ditetapkan

"Nama-nama pimpinan itu ditetapkan di komisi dan usulannya itu tadi sudah diusulkan oleh setiap fraksi ke kesekjenan,"

Jakarta (ANTARA) -

Ketua DPR RI Puan Maharani mengatakan pimpinan 11 komisi di DPR RI yang terdiri dari ketua dan wakil ketua sudah ditetapkan setelah komposisi pimpinan komisi disetujui dalam rapat paripurna.  Namun pimpinan komisi yang ditetapkan baru dari Komisi I DPR RI hingga Komisi XI DPR RI, sedangkan pimpinan Komisi XII DPR RI dan Komisi XIII DPR RI bakal ditetapkan pada Rabu (22/10).

 "Nama-nama pimpinan itu ditetapkan di komisi dan usulannya itu tadi sudah diusulkan oleh setiap fraksi ke kesekjenan," kata Puan di Kompleks Parlemen, Jakarta, Selasa.

 Menurut dia, pemilihan atau penetapan pimpinan komisi atau alat kelengkapan dewan (AKD) dilaksanakan secara musyawarah dan mufakat yang kemudian disetujui dalam rapat konsultasi dan rapat pimpinan sesuai dengan mekanisme yang berlaku.

 Walaupun sudah pimpinan dan para anggotanya sudah ditetapkan, menurut dia, komisi-komisi di DPR RI bakal mulai bekerja pada pekan depan. Karena, kata dia, masih ada beberapa mekanisme di internal DPR RI yang perlu dilakukan.

 "Kita akan bekerja sebaik-baiknya bersama dengan eksekutif untuk bangsa dan negara," katanya.

 Berikut nama-nama pimpinan komisi di DPR RI yang sudah ditetapkan:

Komisi I

 Ketua: Utut Adianto

 Wakil Ketua: Dave Laksono, Budisatrio Djiwandono, Ahmad Heryawan, Anton Sukartono

Komisi II

 Ketua: Rifqinizamy Karsayuda

 Wakil Ketua: Aria Bima, Zulfikar Arse, Bahtra, Dede Yusuf

Komisi III

Ketua: Habiburokhman

Wakil Ketua: Dede Indra Permana, Sari Yuliati, Rano Alfath, Ahmad Sahroni

Komisi IV

Ketua: Siti Hediati Soeharto

Wakil Ketua: Alex Indra Lukman, Abdul Kharis, Ahmad Yohan

Komisi V

Ketua: Lasarus

Wakil Ketua: Andi Iwan Darmawan, Syaiful Huda, Roberth Rouw

Komisi VI

Ketua: Anggia Erma Rini

Wakil Ketua: Adisatrya Suryosulisto, Andre Rosiade, Eko Hendro Purnomo

Komisi VII

Ketua: Saleh Partaonan Daulay

Wakil Ketua: Evita Nursanti, Rahayu Saraswati Djojohadikusumo, Chusnunia Chalim

Komisi VIII

Ketua: Marwan Dasopang

Wakil Ketua: Abidin Fikri, Abdul Wachid, Anshori Siregar

Komisi IX

Ketua: Felly Estelita Runtuwene

Wakil Ketua: Charles Honoris, Putih Sari, Nihayatul Wafiroh

Komisi X

Ketua: Hetifah Sjaifudian

Wakil Ketua: Esti Wijayanti, Himmatul Aliyah, Lalu Hadrian Irfani, Mahfudz Abdurrahman

Komisi XI

Ketua: Muhammad Misbakhun

Wakil Ketua: Dolfie, Mohamad Hekal, Hanif Dakhiri

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Oh, that quote clears everything up, thank you!! As you know, I cannot access that book (sadly)

I agree with you on Ayşe binti Sultan Ibrahim. She seems to have died pretty early: she was alive to witness the birth of Mustafa II but she never entered Ragusian ambassadors’ lists.

Same, she’s definitely not Haseki Mehmed Pasha’s wife. She existed but her name was used for another sister of hers.

This makes sense:

Gevherhan Sultan: Musahib Cafer Pasha (d. 1647), Sari Kenan Pasha (d. 1659), Ismail Pasha (d. 1664), Gürcü Mehmed Pasha (d. 1665), Cerrah Kasim Pasha (d. 1675), a Canpulatoglu (d. ???) and Palabiyik Yusuf Pasha.

Beyhan Sultan: Hasan Pasha (d. 1648), Hezarpare Ahmed Pasha (d. 1648), Haseki Mehmed Pasha (d. 1661), Mustafa Pasha (d. ???), Ali Pasha (d. ???), Arnavud Uzun Ibrahim Pasha (d. 1683) and Bıyıklı Mustafa Pasha (d. 1698).

Hello,

thank you for your reply regarding Hanzade Sultan, it was clear that she had at least one son, and it seems that Kösem's daughters had sons from several different husbands.

I would like to know your opinion about what I have researched about Atike Sultan, it seems to me that there is only one Atike and she is the daughter of Ahmed I,

I do not think that Ibrahim had a daughter named Atike, and perhaps the alleged princess of Ibrahim who is said to have had husbands may have been one of his daughters, either Princess Gevherhan or Beyhan.

To be honest, I don't know the order of her marriages, but it seems that Kenan Pasha was her husband until his death in 1652.

Atike sultan was alive in 1658 because of her support for Mihnea:

| Mihnea entered Ken’an Pasha’s kapı at a young age, serving as a page and obtaining education in letters and religious sciences befitting a member of the Ottoman elite. His membership in the household spanned decades and continued after Ken’an Pasha’s death in 1652. Moreover, through the grandee’s wife, Atike Sultan, the pretender managed to establish a bond with valide sultan Hatice Turhan.44 The robust patronage network allowed Mihnea to make a successful bid for the throne in 1658, which was not only supported politically but also bankrolled by Atike Sultan, who contributed 140,000 akçe for this purpose[...] That the Ottoman princess was ready to pay for her client’s bid suggests that she saw it as an investment, although one that ultimately did not pay off: the following year, Mihnea III rebelled against the Porte and was replaced on the throne with a protégé of Köprülü Mehmed Pasha. - Michał Wasiucionek (The Ottomans and Eastern Europe)

But then, Atike appears as deceased in an Istanbul court document dated 1663-1664, describing her as the wife of the deceased Kenan Pasha:

| Mahmiye-i İstanbul’da merhûm Kenan Paşa ve zevcesi merhûme Âtike Sultan evkāfına meşrûtiyyet üzre bi’l-fi‘l mütevellî olan iftihârü’l-emâcid ve’l-ekârim câmi‘ü’l-mehâmid ve’l-mekârim Bayezid Bey tarafından husûs-ı âtîye vekîl olup vekâleti bimâ hüve nehci’s-sübût şer‘an sâbite olan umdetü’l-müderrisîni’lkirâm zübdetü’l-muhakkikīni’l-fihâm Ahmed Efendi b. Ali mahfil-i kazâda Mehmed Bey b. Abdi mahzarında üzerine takrîr-i da‘vâ edip evkāf-ı mezbûre mukāta‘atından olup vilâyet-i Rumeli’de eyâlet-i Silistre’de kasaba-i Tatarpınarı mukāta‘asını bin yetmiş iki senesi Martı ibtidâsından bir sene tamânına değin evkāf-ı mezbûreye sâbıkan mütevellîler olan Abdullah Bey ve Hüseyin Bey nâm sagīrlerin kāimmakāmları Ebûbekir Efendi ve Hızır Ağa mezbûr Mehmed Bey’e iki yüz bin akçeye der-uhde edip ol dahi vech-i muharrer üzre iltizâm ve kabûl ve bir sene tamâmen zabt ve mikdâr-ı mezkûr mahsûlünü dahi kabz eyledikden sonra kıst-ı iltizâmından yüz bin akçesini vakf için ahz u kabz eylediklerinden sonra kırk beş bin akçesini dahi işbu hâzır bi’l-meclis mezkûr Hızır Ağa’ya teslîm edip mezbûr Hızır Ağa dahi ba‘de’l-kabz sagīreyn-i mezbûreynin vâlideleri ve vasiyyeleri umdetü’l-muhadderât zübdetü’l-muvakkarât tâcü’lmestûrât Eğlence Hâtun’a tamâmen teslîm edip hâlâ üzerimde bâkī kalan elli beş bin akçesini dahi vakıf için mezkûr Mehmed Bey’den bi’l-vekâle taleb ederin, suâl olunsun dedikde gıbbe’s-suâl mezbûr Mehmed Bey cevâbında fi’l-vâki‘ kaziyye minvâl-i muharrer üzre olup lâkin evkāf-ı mezbûre kâtibi olan mezbûr Ebûbekir Efendi ve Hızır Ağa kıst-ı iltizâmım olan iki yüz bin akçeyi yüz bin akçeye tenzîl edip zabt temessüküme vakıf için yüz bin akçeye tahrîr edip hat ve hâtemlerini hâvî yedime işbu meclisde kırâ’at olunan temessükü verdiklerinden sonra harc nâmına kırk beş bin akçeyi mezbûr Hızır Ağa ve elli beş bin akçesini mezbûr Ebûbekir Efendi benden ahz u kabz eylediler deyû mukır ve mu‘terif olmağın mûcebince meblağ-ı mezbûr elli beş bin akçeyi edâya mezbûr Mehmed Bey’e tenbîh olunup mâ vaka‘a bi’t-taleb ketb olundu.

- M.ÂKİF AYDIN ISTANBUL KADI SİCİLLERİ 44 İSTANBUL MAHKEMESİ 191 NUMARALI SİCİL (H. 1000-1027 / M. 1591-1617)

Dr. Cumhur Bekar points out that there are clear documents with the names of those present at the Edirne Palace:

| "[...] For instance, when Prince Mustafa, the first son of Mehmed IV, was born in Edirne Palace in 1664, Ayşe Sultan,Gevherhan Sultan and Beyhan Sultan, sisters of Mehmed IV, were called to Edirne Palacefrom Topkapı to join in the celebration for the new prince" - Cumhur Bekar (The rise of the Köprülü family)

The other sister Fatma Sultan, had died by then, which strongly suggests that there was no princess named Atike daughter of Ibrahim, in the documents.

I am looking forward to seeing your suggestions ,Because I intend to prepare a research on YouTube about Atike daughter of Ahmed I. Good day.

Hi! @rhaenahanzades and I have already talked about Atike binti Ibrahim and we agreed that she probably didn’t exist.

Burnaz Atike Sultan’s husbands seem to have been the following:

the son of Ekmekçizade Ahmed Pasha (d. 1618) (during Osman II’s reign)

Sofu Kenan Pasha (at the beginning of Murad IV’s reign, so her previous husband must have died pretty soon). Kenan Pasha died in 1652

Doğancı Yusuf Pasha (she married him in 1652)

If that judicial document is well dated, then Atike must have died between 1658 and 1662-63.

Thanks for giving me this quote by Cumhur Bekar:

Besides the number of the personnel in Topkapı and Edirne palaces, what can we say about the members of the harem in both palaces? Although we have no exact data on the subject, scattered information can be founded in the sources. For instance, when Prince Mustafa, the first son of Mehmed IV, was born in Edirne Palace in 1664, Ayşe Sultan, Gevherhan Sultan and Beyhan Sultan, sisters of Mehmed IV, were called to Edirne Palace from Topkapı to join in the celebration for the new prince. This summons shows that some members of the sultan’s family still resided in Topkapı Palace after 1663.

From how it’s worded, it seems those three princesses lived in Topkapi Palace and not with their husbands. Were they widows at the time, then? They must have been teenagers in 1664 (if we consider 1649 the last year a pregnant concubine could have given birth to a child of Ibrahim, then this child was 15 years old in 1664) so I don’t think they still lived with their mothers… Or maybe they just lived in Istanbul, the summons were sent to Topkapi and then forwarded to the princesses.

As a matter of fact, Ragusian diplomats mention those three princesses in 1662 and in 1670:

Ghiuherhan Sultana moglie di Smail Passa; Beihan Sultana moglie di Mustai Passa; […] Aise Sultana moglie di Suleiman Passa

Ghievherhan sultan moglie di Casciu’ Pascia, Beihan Sultan, moglie d’Ali Pascia, Hiscie Sultan, moglie di Scoleiman Pascia

(Off-topic, then Kütükoğlu is right when he says that the Ayşe Sultan who married Malatyali Süleymân Pasha was a daughter of Ibrahim’s? He is clearly not right when he said she was also married to Ibşir Mustafa Pasha).

At this point, I think Fatma must have died before 28 July 1662, when Ragusian diplomats stopped mentioning her. Uluçay found a document dated 8 May 1661 related to her stipend, so she was definitely alive until then.

I definitely agree that Atike Sultan binti Sultan Ibrahim did not exist.

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