#WOD custom Clan

[sangaverage]

VTM / VTR custom clan idea: Clan Rebelion

Do people do these? They do now!

Disclaimer! I do not know how "lore friendly" this would be or how it would fit in to lore this is just a fun clan concept based on a dream of mine from a while back, plus the golden rule exists. (The hair and eyes are NOT a reference to the fictional condition Alexandra Genesis before anyone asks) 

would work better in a VTR setting but can also be used for VTM or other World/ chronicles of darkness games that allow vampires.

When I say common/ preffered this is what I recommend for the most optimal version of running this clan however this is merely advice and you can swap these out for preffered stuff, should you want 

clan stuff under the divider credit: Here!

Clan name: Rebelion

Nicknames: The Chaos, The Hunter, The Reckless

Who are Clan Rebelion: A semi recent clan of seemingly unknown origin, at least for now, as Thier clans namesake would suggest, are rebellious at heart, many do not agree with most if not all of the rules set up by the camarilla seeing them as "stingy old folks" and will most likely fit under anarchs, sabaat (VTM) more rebel causes, those who wish to see significant change or just plain unaligned (VTR) however a rare few "Outcasts" do side and agree with the current rules and laws. 

They are Savage hunters who rely on The fear they instill in humans and in rare cases enjoying thier frenzies, some state Clan Rebelion have odd control over animals and the shadows themselves!

However there is an unspoken rule amongst clan Rebelion not to kill too many of human kind when feeding, although Rebelion may come across as more of the savage monsters Thier vampirism made them, they understand that without an ample stock of humans to feed on, what's the point of Thier survival? 

Disciplines: Potence, Animalism, Obteneration (VTM) 

OR 

Animalsim, Nightmare, Obfuscate (VTR)

Clan Bane: For reasons unknown Clan Rebelion all have white hair and eyes that glow with a  purple lucidium, this however isn't seen during regular conditions, the embraced keeping Thier natural hair and eye colours however, they have a curse of having Thier "true form" seen under any artificial lights or during frenzy and thus often try to stick to the darkness as much as possible! 

(True original generations of Rebellion members always have the hair and eyes showing) 

Common merits: Bloodhound (o)

Common flaws: Obvious Predator (oo) 

Clan quote:

"Humans are merely birds trapped in the cages they call cities, oblivious to the fact that they are being watched by a prying predators eyes, sometimes to ensure the best for both parties, they prey must feel like they are 'the one that got away' alas, they are often marked to drain dry later!" 

-Lucian Thanatos, Clan Rebelion 

Clan symbol:

[swampgallows]

so i was reading both of your posts on the orcish language in wow cuz you posted them both in the yamyell discord (hehe) and it made me think about thrall and his upbringing as an orc raised by humans, and how he might have struggled with speaking common. obviously thrall would still have the same limitations as other orcs with his jaw shape/position being different to humans and his tusks being in the way, making consonants like m, p, b and maybe even v really hard to make…but i'm also thinking maybe because common was the first language he learned to speak, he may have been able to adapt/learn faster cuz he was given no other choice and was sort've forced to adapt to the language in other ways? what do you think? :]

orc language posts are here (pronunciation) and here (Orcish linguistics).

I think so too! Since it was his native tongue I think he probably managed to work around it. If anything, maybe his actual physiology changed a bit as he grew to accommodate it since he was using certain muscles to speak that he otherwise wouldn't have. i don't have any actual linguist knowledge aside from a couple of things ive read in the past but that seems to be the case with certain languages. for instance, a lot of people can't roll their Rs or whistle or things like that, but chances are if their language required that to speak it properly, they'd be able to do it (barring physical conditions). or like this great tumblr story of a Deaf woman who speaks with a brooklyn accent because she learned by watching mouth movements, so the physical positioning of her mouth and lips affected how she pronounced the words. or how even in short instances of isolation, new accents can develop due to environmental and biological factors, as it did for astronauts on the moon or members of an antarctic expedition. chances are that thrall has a very specific kind of common accent, and i wouldn't be surprised if orcs among his original horde developed this kind of accent alongside him due both to their facial structure and learning from thrall's example.

@shamanofthewilds also makes a great point about how most of azeroth probably speaks "common" anyway, and that both different human kingdoms and orc clans probably have their own languages but were speaking "common" as early as the second war. @mrpinchy also has a great post about azerothian sign language here, and how different digits and worlds affected common sign.

it's hard to say how canon this is because blizzard characterizations rarely maintain any consistency, but thrall's smaller tusks and more upright posture could be due to human influence affecting his physical development. in comparison, wod!grom's tusks are almost as tall as his nose. i tried to get a similar angle to show that even though their heads are tilted upward, grom's tusks are significantly longer.

head on, compare thrall's tusks (center) also to grom (left) or saurfang (right), orcs born and raised on draenor (au and mu). thrall's tusks are much more prominent in his in-game model, but since the hi res cinematics are all custom, giving thrall smaller tusks here seems a more deliberate choice. (also i arranged the images like this so that you can click them and it's not just three orcs staring you down while youre scrolling lmfao).

there could also be an age factor involved since saurfang and grom are older orcs, but i'd wager that thrall now is about as old as wod!grom is/was during warlords. there also isn't a lot of lore on whether or not orcs alter their tusks (e.g. shave them down hellboy style) save for accessories or piercing, but in that case it could be a cosmetic choice thrall makes too especially for diplomacy's sake.

anyway yeah i think you're right! i like to believe thrall's upbringing affected not only his linguistic but physiological development from being raised by and around humans speaking common.

[moonharveststudios]

Custom wax seals are a go! ✦

Looking for a clan seal I don't stock yet? Have an idea for your own design? I now have the option for custom seals! Please make sure to read the listing thoroughly, and message me BEFORE you place an order to detail what designs you want ✦ Order them here!

Designs do not need to be of WoD or VtM nature, they just need to fit the 22mm area!

All customs come with the wooden handle and have an approximate month turnaround time.

[noxmachinimafr]

Hi there, It has been such intensive weeks at work. I had no break in two weeks. Not surprisingly, today being my first full day off, I slept for 12 hours! Anyway, BlizzCon announcements are really cool for WoW, although I am that much into the new allied race. At least, several things sound pretty neat, and I am more intrigued than I was for DF story.

I took the opportunity of these quiet days to keep refining the official trailer of Untold Tale of Pandaria. The first version was hastily made to fit a deadline, while, now, I really have time to polish everything. I first worked on the introductory sequence featuring Jiora'Kirh (Kirh) and Karl Whistlewind!

But the session of the day was dedicated to Garrosh Hellscream. The in-game model is already quite good, and because Garrosh is an emblematic NPC, there is not that much customization I can do. Still, the map is a bit low-def, which gives the tattoo the typical problem of ugly pixelization on the shoulders. And another point is that his necklace (seen in all the artworks and GCI cinematics) is absent! So I have to craft it. Regarding the axe, there are different models in the game files. The original Gorehowl was a bit too low poly and low def, while the upgraded model (dating back to WoD) was the one of the Alternative Draenor, so NOT the real Gorehowl.

In other words, I had to do the same work I did previously on Dranosh Saurfang's axe that I had made from BFA Varok's axe.

(I still love this model so much! :3) The work is not fully done yet, but the model got a nice refinement. The leather will be made in 3D. And I will implement his shoulder pads if needed at this time.

I can now start working on this scene of the trailer. Please appreciate that my OC is nothing but a shrimp compared with the warchief! ^^'

And, ahhh, look! I need to paint all the panels of the shrine, of course! Plus smallest panels with the pandaren clan portraits that I haven't placed yet. O__O

As I used to say, working on Blender gives a lot of freedom. But choosing to build a Japanese/Sichuan-Pandaren universe means that I have plenty to do from scratch! Hope you enjoy the sneak peek!

[auroraeternal]

So i just saw the vtmb2 extended gameplay trailer… I wish to unsee it. So I know it was delayed but wtf happened. Cause everyone wanted none stop talking that keeps going and going and going… that’s probably why the added the stupid voice in your head cause we’re falling asleep and didn’t know what was going on. So no customization… and a main protag vampire that just looks like an evil manager. What wonders… did they play the first game?

Hello, sorry for late delay <3. I watched that trailer yesterday. Actually I guessed that Vtmb2 will be a disappointment already when devs announced clans, among which there are no malks and nosferatu, which I think are the coolest clans from og game. My fears were fully confirmed when they said there would be no character editor. IN RPG. No character editor 🤦‍♀️. Even that simple that was in first vtmb. I know that Witcher series exists, but they based on books, that have already written main character with his own personality. As VTMB, like most RPGs, is based on a tabletop RPG system where you need to create and develop your own OC. So premade character in VTMB2 feels so unnatural for me. Also so sad, that they scrapped Rik Schaffer music 😢 It created the lion's share of the atmosphere in the first game, along with the licensed tracks. Regarding trailer: they bragged about cool combat system, but for some reason they decided to show it on gamepad, which seems like a strange decision to me. Also yeah, feature with voice in your is really annoying. Graphics is... ok?... I don't really care about it in games. Dialogue system is so primitive and lackluster in comparison with vtmb1. Yeah, I think they really seems to not played in first game, I don't think they even know WoD lore. We certainly haven't been told much about the plot yet, other than the beginning, but I suspect it will be extremely bland, as in many (but thankfully not all) modern games from big studios. There will be no more "edgy" games like the first VTMB :(.

Thank you for reading ❤

[tsaritza-mika]

The Main 6 in The World of Darkness

I meant to post this back on Halloween, but I got distracted by fun XDDD World of Darkness is a collection of tabletop games, with their most popular being Vampire: The Masquerade. If you’d like more info on the WoD universe, check out The World of Darkness main site 

Asra 

Clan: Tremere - Warlocks, Thaumaturges, Blood Witches

Awoke on the floor of the shop behind the counter following his Embrace, recognizing the face of a customer he’d become somewhat familiar with in recent weeks. The customer informed him that they were now his sire, and he was now Kindred

Was surprisingly calm following his Embrace, and while not fully happy with the change, viewed it as simply another form of being. Asra had interacted with and witnessed beings of all kinds so far in his life and the study of magic, so this one wasn’t too much of a stretch

Threw himself into his new studies, and fascinated by the blood magic his sire called Thaumaturgy. Blood was always a powerful and dangerous component for magic, and his sire was impressed by how quickly he was able to understand and control the powers at his fingertips

With his new un-life, running the shop during the day would be impossible, but he needed to stay in business somehow. Taking the suggestion from his sire, he carefully selected another magician who had been passing through Vesuvia, deciding that rather than Embracing them as his sire had with him, he would simply make them his Ghoul instead

Wasn’t surprised to find there were fellow Kindred lurking within the Red Market below the Colosseum, but it had been a surprise to find out which ones. He frequents the Red Market far more often than he does the normal streets now, but does still make appearances so others don’t think something happened and start looking into things too much. The Masquerade must be maintained after all

Nadia

Clan: Ventrue - Clan of Kings, Blue Bloods

Embraced by a supposed visiting dignitary from a faraway land, her sire saw in her the same nobility and strength to rule as those others that carry the Ventrue bloodline

While not initially comfortable with the idea of feeding on the blood of others, over time, she came to accept it as a necessary evil in her new existence. She now has a collection of blood dolls (people willing and eager to feel the pleasure of the kiss) that reside within a wing of the palace once used to house the ruling Count’s harem

Took to the gifts of the Ventrue incredibly fast, impressing her sire and reinforcing their confidence in the decision to Embrace her

It was difficult to hide her new situation at first, but Nadia is nothing if not intelligent and resourceful. With her life now tied to remaining out of the harsh rays of the sun, she’s reasoned to the others at court that her mind tends to be clearer when under the moon and stars, and thus, she will rule from the cover of night

Though Dedicated to upholding the Masquerade for the benefit of the Vesuvian people, she did inform Portia of what happened. Thankfully, Portia continued to hold true to her loyalties to her, and works hard to help her maintain an air of normalcy for the good of the rest of the people

Julian

Clan: Ravnos - Rogues, Ravens, Daredevils

Embraced during a particularly rowdy evening at the Raven, his sire was someone he’d come to know at the establishment after arriving from afar. They spoke often of their travels, and chose Julian as one whom they felt something of a kindred spirit

While initially repulsed at what he had become, eventually he accepted that perhaps this was just a natural ending to the life he’d been living up to now. His sire wasn’t exactly the best, but the guidance they offered was invaluable to his continued survival

The hardest part by far was the bane of his new Clan, as eventually settling down and putting down roots of any kind was now almost completely off the table. Well, within a few boundaries of course. He could still call Vesuvia home, but there would be copious amounts of testing needed to see just how far he would need to go before it would be safe to spend the day without fear

Aside from needing to avoid the sun, and the exact source of his new sustenance, adjusting to his new un-life as Kindred was surprisingly simple. Among the things his sire had taught him was that members of their clan typically enjoy the things Julian did normally, just at night instead of during the day. Picking or joining the occasional bar fight, traveling the world, and of course charming a lovely/handsome stranger or two for some company was encouraged

Keeps his new existence as Kindred a secret as best he’s able, though not too many people really question it, since his habits haven’t really changed much. While in Vesuvia, he’s become familiar with the other Kindred who roam the Red Market, sometimes paying for access to a blood doll if he’s not up for hunting, as well as making a few more contacts so he can travel places within the Kindred trading routes

Portia

Clan: Malkavian - Clan of the Moon, Visionaries, Lunatics

Was Embraced while running some late night errands collecting a few things. Her sire hadn’t been entirely lucid when they Embraced her, but something felt incredibly wrong about just leaving her to die in the dark alley just off the main market street

Finds her transformation hard to get used to at first, as there’s so many things she used to love doing during the day. Her new existence has definitely taken a lot of adjustment, and it doesn’t really help that the visions brought on by the Malkavian bloodline can sometimes be terrifying to witness, but thankfully Pepi stayed by her side, and her sire was dedicated to helping her acclimate

While concerned with maintaining the Masquerade as her sire taught her, she did confide in Nadia about her Embrace after a while. Nadia was smart, so she was bound to figure out something at some point. Thankfully, Nadia was also familiar with the concept of visions, and was more than ready to help cover for her

Was unable to completely stay in her cottage anymore due to all the natural light, even with heavy curtains in place. Nadia helped her move into some of the unused rooms near the Count’s old wing of the palace, explaining to the staff that Portia had been blessed to receive visions from higher powers, but tends to leave her exhausted during the day

Another big adjustment was feeding. Portia really didn’t like even the thought of it, and refused to feed for as long as she could, until her sire explained that should she go too long without, that she could be a danger to those around her. Rather than risk those she loved, she now frequents a fellow Kindred who lurks below in the Red Market, paying him a few coins once a week for access to willing blood dolls

Muriel

Clan: Salubri - Cyclops, Soul Thieves, Dajjals

His sire found him lying prone and bloodied after an animal attack. Having observed Muriel from a distance for a time, and being left to exist peacefully within his forest undisturbed, his sire Embraced him so he could continue protecting the forest they both called home

It bothered him greatly when he found out what he had become, not wanting to ever take another life, animal or otherwise. Thankfully, his sire schooled him gently, teaching him to simply take enough so that whatever the source, human or animal, they would survive

Aside from simply needing to move his activities away from the light of day, Muriel found his situation hadn’t changed much following his Embrace. Apparently the Salubri Clan he could now call his new family were similar to his own: scattered to the four winds, and very few in number. They also tended to hide themselves, as even other Kindred seemed to want their blood

Despite the need for even further secrecy, to both maintain the Masquerade as well as his bloodline, Muriel eventually confided in Asra about his new condition. Thankfully, Asra wasn’t bothered, and even offered to help if Muriel ever needed anything in particular. Whether it was anything he needed from the city, or if he needed to feed, Asra promised that the bond they shared before was no more diminished than it had been

The gifts granted by his new existence came somewhat easily to him, with the exception of Auspex. He was used to being observant when tracking, but it was completely new to needing to channel his blood and enhance his senses to such a refined and sensitive degree. It took some trial and error, but eventually it became as simple as blinking

Lucio

Clan: Brujah - Punks, Rebels, Philosopher Kings

Embraced following a raucous celebration among his mercenary company after winning a fierce battle, his sire chose him specifically for his ferocity, and the way he throws himself fully into battle with an almost child-like glee

Took to the changes brought on by the Embrace surprisingly quick, even by his perspective. Though since the gifts and bane of the Brujah bloodline suit him, perhaps that was also a factor

The only part that was hard to get used to at first was the fact that sunlight now meant meeting his final death. Though he got over that quickly enough when instead he framed it as an excuse for a new party every night

Found giving into his Brujah rage exhilarating at first. The rush of absolute power and strength, and the thrill of not only taking down his opponent, but then also taking their life essence was addicting. He almost lost himself to the Beast before his sire fully explained the risks to him, now, though he still enjoys what he can, he’s very careful to not completely surrender to it

While he does enjoy his collection of blood dolls in the old harem wing of the palace, he also still very much enjoys hunting down his meals, often hanging around the shadows by the docks looking for any drunken sailors who still have some fight in them after being kicked out of the taverns for the night

[serenityandbrowcoats]

Lets talk Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines 2

let me start by saying, I’ve had to change how I was gonna go around talking about this, cause my first reaction was anger and outrage, but to copy that again in more detail, would fail to add an substance to what I want to say. So I’ve revised how and what I’m gonna talk about, and try and remain more calm.

This is a post in response to people freaking out on VtM:B2 and how it’s a SJW game and other things. Now i’m not gonna go and intentionally talk about if it is or not, I’ll simply be going over some of the things that are being complained about.

1. Mental Illness. so let me lay the ground work done for this. In VtM and WoD (world of darkness) there exists a clan of vampires, that have sacrificed/gifted their minds to their vampire god/first vampire Caine. With that being said, this clan of vampires have always been a poor parody of mental illnesses. So the game devs of course wanted to address this, and some have complained about this for fear of losing their “Quirky” clan of vampires quirkiness. It should be noted that this specific vampire clan can range from being a poor a offensive mental stereotype, to a perfect example of mental health issues, and the game devs seem to want to simply want to eliminate the poor parody part of them, whilst keeping the important bits of the specific vampire clan. As the game has only just been announced five days ago, we do not know the full extent, or the actual changes that will be in place upon the games actual release in 2020.

2. It’s a Political Game. Let me be quick and blunt on this one (and let me not actually get that in depth about this subject). (The tabletop RPG that the video game is based upon, has a strong political message through out its settings and has current day politics featured in part in the setting.) It’s a Game with politics. we know that in the game you choose a faction in the world, and you must deal with the politics of each faction and so on and so forth, that makes it a political game. It will also have a political message. now let me make something very clear, Every. Game. Has. A. Political. Message. Some games focus heavly on a political message, Some games have very little focus on a political message. Some games are subtle and light handed with their political message. Some games are heavy handed with their political message. Some games have one political message. Some Games have many political messages.Some games pull off having a political message. Some games dont pull off having a political message. All games have these in some form or order of political message in them, if you dont think a game has a political message in it, either you didn’t pay any attention to the story of the game, the political message is hard to find, the game wasn’t designed with story in mind. or the game has a shit story. But almost every game has some sort of political message, games have been an outlet for a political message, since in depth story telling was introduced to gaming, I will give, not all games have political messages, but most games do, and almost, with out fail, every main stream and popular game with a story, has a political message of some sort. But as the game has only been announced five days ago, and will not be released till 2020, we do not know as of now, how they will handle any of their political messages, or the political game play.

3.Gender. It’s set in the 21st century and specifically in Seattle, stop complaining about being able to choose your pro-nouns in the game. We as a people live in a society that is ever changing and adapting. If you don’t like that the game is more diverse for its players, that is on you as a person and not the game. But let me talk about the game. It’s a character creation option, key word option, means its an option you can choose, no different then any other character creation option. No ones forcing you to choose the option, you’re still allowed to create you’re character the way you want it. I honestly don’t understand why people are upset by Character Creation having even more options, usually everyone is complaining about when character creation doesn’t have enough option. It’s coming out in 2020, and it was announced five days ago, try and find something from character creation to actually complain about.

4.Masculine Power Fantasy. I want to talk about this bit the least. Unfortunately if I don’t, the people being assholes win, and I, for one, personally am too stubborn to let anyone win, i’m just that petty. On topic now. They don’t want a Masculine Power Fantasy, or at least not as much. To clarify what the devs and journalists have said. They want to make a game that’s more appealing to other people. They want to make a game that’s more appealing for a wider audience. A game that appeals to people. A game, that they want people to play, that is made in mind for everyone to enjoy playing. The company making the game want to make a game that is intended to get everyone to play and enjoy. I want to make sure everyone reading this understand that the people making the game, are making a game to appeal to everyone, this is to serve many purposes, such has, making an appropriate and realistic game (with vampires and werewolves and what not), that many people will buy, and spend money on, that will create many customers and help introduce people into the setting, and maybe even into the tabletop RPG of World of Darkness. the game was announced five days ago and wont be released until 2020, we can not really judge how this will effect the game and story until we have more information.

Conclusion: The game devs are trying to make the mental illnesses more appropriate and realistic and less, you know mocking and parody like or mental illnesses and real people with mental illnesses. The game, like most games, and the setting its based off of, will have political messages, and like its source material, will have political based game play. We will not know how this truly effects the game until it comes out in 2020, or more information comes out after the first week of its announcement

The game will have a character creation that includes pro-nouns in character creation, with will be an option, and help enthrall new players, or support existing/new players. The Game will not be a masculine power fantasy but a power fantasy that reaches out towards more players, and may help create a more diverse fandom. If you have a problem with these last two things, you are a gate keeper, and can honestly fuck off, for trying to keep this game from other people, especially if its a game meant to be for a wide demographic. We will not really know how this will effect the game untill early 2020 when the game comes out, or after the first week of the games announcement. 

All in all, try to not be an asshole, shut up, and wait for more to come out about the game. If you have a problem with the game still, I have heartbreaking news for you, this isn’t a fuckin game for you, and you can kindly fuck off if you can’t allow other people enjoy this game, because you have a problem with it.

[swampgallows]

Re: your tags on the new Grom model, I actually want to hear your thoughts tbh. I am interested.

ohhh myy FUFCKINNGNGG GOOOODDDDDDD

I have been avoiding BFA spoilers story-wise as much as I can because I want to be able to experience the game and its story as I’m playing it. I don’t mind seeing things like cosmetic updates because they don’t usually spoil too much of the story. That being said, I know Bwonsamdi will make an appearance, and there is talk of Vol’jin making an appearance too, but these things were predicted as early as Mists of Pandaria in the Shadows of the Horde book. With the overarching themes of the Zandalari vs the Darkspear and the correspondences between Vol’jin and Bwonsamdi in Shadows, I knew with access to Zandalar they’d show up. 

So I have seen the new Grom model, and I have read that the AU Draenor orcs will be joining the Horde. The fact that they have the audacity to refer to them as being “Mag’har” while being from a Draenor in which they did not consume the blood is infuriating. As @mad-maddie​ spoke of at length, these are not Mag’har orcs joining the Horde; they are THE IRON HORDE. Essentially ALL of the clans are joining, including clans that are still enemies in our timeline (Blackrock, Shattered Hand, Dragonmaw, etc.) There are always dissenters so I’m really not too picky about which clans are which, but anything other than Frostwolf was our enemy IN WOD. THAT INCLUDES GROMMASH. He didn’t drink the demon blood but he did, um, team up with his son from another dimension to churn out siege weaponry and enslave/rape/mass-murder the draenei (I mention rape because Maraad comments on his “angel” Yrel being “defiled”, and it’s not some kind of light-purity-whatever-the-fuck thing because it was mentioned only in this instance and was subsequently cut from beta).

So Grom gets some weird redemption arc where he helps defeat AU Archimonde (alongside Yrel? awkward) and all of a sudden he’s a good guy now. Or something. MAYBE BFA will provide more context for this. MAYBE he has atoned in some way. But what really, really pisses me off is that THIS IS NOT THE SAME GROM!!!! You can’t release an audio drama where AU Gul’dan gripes over and over, “THAT WAS NOT ME!!!” for 45 minutes and then be like “hey everybody look Grom is back.”

If Thrall makes an appearance in BFA again, how the fuck is he going to react to seeing Grom again? AU Grom doesn’t know him. Thrall has a very intimate relationship with the real Grommash. He was with him as he died. They were brothers. 

I had a friend who was close to me that passed away about three years ago. Last year at work, I had a customer who looked just like him, down to his patchy beard, gray-blue eyes, and wide frame. My heart leapt into my chest. After I served him, I had to go take a break to cry. It was overwhelming, partially because he looked like him, but mostly because I knew it wasn’t him. I thought about where he’d be right now if he was still with us, and about all the things I did and didn’t say, and that I missed him, and so and so forth. I’ve been thinking about him today, actually, since it’s 4/20, and ironically or not, he loved this day. 

Anyway, Thrall gets to live that experience again constantly for as long as AU Grom hangs around. Someone who looks JUST LIKE his deceased best friend/brother, who has the SAME NAME, who is NEARLY THE SAME, but IT’S NOT HIM!!!! They have no history together. They aren’t the same people. What’s Thrall going to do, sit down with him and say “Listen, here’s what MY GROM did,” and that AU Grom is just gonna nod and play the part? If you had some classmate or coworker that kept telling you how much you looked like his ex and you guys even have the same name and are really similar etc. etc. you’d be like FUCK OFF DUDE. I’M NOT YOUR EX. People already can’t appreciate AU Grom for who he actually is because they’re all still obsessed with the real Grom.

HMM IS THIS FAMILIAR SOMEHOW??? TO SOME SHIT IM CONSTANTLY CROWING ABOUT??? WITH GARROSH????????????

Someone even suggested that “Hey, maybe Bwonsamdi brings THE REAL GROM back! Maybe it’s a vision or something, since Grom’s hair is gray, and it’s only been like 2 years since WoD so there’s no way AU Grom went gray that fast.” IF THEY BRING BACK REAL GROM IT COMPLETELY INVALIDATES GARROSH’S ENTIRE FUCKING SHIT. GOD IM SO FUCKING MAD i have complained about this MANY TIMES, AT LENGTH, that Garrosh was LITERALLY ONLY CREATED because the devs couldn’t bring back Grom. That was it. His entire fucking life from birth to death is about how much he was just a shitty knock-off version of Grom and was never good enough to be Real Grom and ARE YOU NOT JUST SHAPING UP FOR ANOTHER VERSION OF THE SAME STORY by injecting an ACTUAL GREAT VALUE™ GROMMASH into the Horde or, worse, Garrosh’s ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE serving only to BRING BACK THE REAL GROM!? Except Grom died green, and the new model is not. So unless he was “purified” of the fel taint or something upon death it’s probably NOT the real Grom but STILL!!!!!!

aaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA