#UWO thoughts

[pocket-ghostie]

Ok, I knew that Buff Studio already had plans for Charlie in Underworld when making Underworld Office (bc of conext clues), but I didn't know HOW MUCH they knew what they were planing when they made the first game!!!!! Aaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!

(Spoilers for UwO/CiU)

First, in chapter 4, early sleep, right before Eugene gets kicked out, Boss says "I hope I never see you again."

This implies several things, Boss hopes Eugene lives a long life and/or when they die they can immediately go to 'the other side'. This also implies that Boss can't leave. Because of the door that he is in charge of guarding, he can never leave. Of course, at the end of Charlie in Underworld the door gets destroyed so Boss could leave (after a lot of work). However in this game, Boss doesn't know that's going to happen. He is under the assumption that he is going to stay in the office forever.

Furthermore, in the Peace Somewhere Beyond ending, Eugene mentions that Boss might never find peace.

This could also be because he can't leave due to the door. Although it could be argued that Eugene mentions this because Boss will never be bright, I disagree due to the end of Charlie in Underworld. Boss clearly has a desire to right his wrongs and be bright, however he can't because his duty is to protect the door. So, because of what happens in the Peace Somewhere Beyond ending, Charlie in Underworld doesn’t happen in that timeline, and the door is probably never destroyed. Which keeps Boss guarding the door forever. The door is never mentioned in Underworld Office as an obligation for Boss, as that is only revealed at the end of Charlie in Underworld. However there is plenty of evidence that the writers were thinking about this connection while making this game.

In addition, Charlie gets sealed, leading to the beginning of Charlie in Underworld. Obviously, this is a rather basic connection. However, there is more to it. They could have had Charlie escape or get torn into pieces, without Eugene interfering and letting Joan deal with Charlie. This would get rid of Charlie and give Eugene the opportunity to get Joans help and be able to call the cane later on, because Joan wouldn’t be mad at Eugene. But, Charlie was sealed so that the Office ghosts could easily get to them. It also allows and gives a reason for Charlie to lose their memories, so that the player can slowly learn about Charlie throughout the plot. Because Charlie was sealed, we got the beginning of Charlie in Underworld.

Also, I saw a post in the Underworld Office tag (idk how I would find it now) that said “Eugene choose to be a dark ghost” and it came with this image:

When I was first playing through the game, I thought this was just a fun design choice, and it might be. But if Buff Studios was already thinking about the plot of the second game and how ghosts actually work, this may be a nod to that. This could be refuted with the argument that Eugene thought he was doing good and should be a bright ghost, however this brings up several problems. First off, Buff Studios wanted to keep the conflict of how ghosts work for the second game, and also Eugene did think what he was doing was wrong. They justified it in their head because Jack was a murderer, but I guarantee that Eugene still thought that murder was bad. In fact, Eugene wanted to stop Jack in part because he was a murderer. So it would make sense for Eugene to be a dark ghost, along with the fact that Susans desire for vengeance was still in the area too.

Next, we have the fact that Boss didn’t explain how ghosts work in the beginning of the game. It was River who explained to Eugene how things work. While giving this explanation, Boss stayed silent. This could hint that Boss already knew how ghosts actually work and was staying silent in the beginning of the game. Although this can be refuted with the fact that in the second to last chapter in Charlie in Underworld, Eugene states that Boss has been getting darker because of his guilt of keeping this secret. Which means that Eugene had to have already seen Boss before to tell that he was getting darker. But since Boss got attached to Eugene, he may have felt more guilty about keeping everything a secret. Thus, making him darker when Eugene was around. Although this is an interesting theory, I disagree with it. I think Boss figured out how things actually worked either in between the two games, or the beginning of Charlie in Underworld when Charlie is unsealed. Despite this however, Boss most likely still had an idea that ghosts did not work the way he thought. I believe the fact that River explained everything rather than Boss was very intentional, and an important fact when thinking about Charlie in Underworld.

Finally, all the ghosts have images of when they were alive. At the end of every chapter, there is an image that goes along with it. (Like this one)

I believe this image changes depending on what choices are made. Some of these images show the ghosts when they were alive. Like Hayden playing with a cat, or Joan with her gun and in her soldier outfit. Through these images, it is clear that Buff Studios already planned out the ghosts' backstories. They already had their backstories planned, but they did not say anything about them. This is because they go into the ghosts' pasts in Charlie in Underworld. Further proving that they had already planned what they were going to do in the second game, and were planning on making a second game.

In conclusion, these were all the things that I found in the first game. All of these little details show how Buff Studios was already thinking about Charlie in Underworld when making the first game. They put so much thought into these games, how they would work, the worldbuilding, and the characters. Because of their care and passion for these games, it makes their world feel so real.

[deltasimaginaryland]

My brain just had a thought.

Rare occurrence, must share it for validation and future copyright/j

What if Eugene projects? I mean, as in a headcanon/AU.

Like, he has his hoodie, right? So here, he sees his hoodie as himself, kind of. He's very attached to it and he projects his trauma onto it.

His trauma? I mostly thought about his father being very negligent and working overseas. Eugene always wears his hoodie outside, no matter the weather, because he doesn't want to leave it behind like his father left him behind to work overseas. He gets very defensive over it and is absolutely TERRIFIED to wash it, ESPECIALLY putting it in the washing machine. If he REALLY has to wash it, he'll do it by hand.

He even sometimes talks about/treats the hoodie as if it has emotions, sometimes even getting worried about what it'd feel like if he did something. He really cares about how he treats it, not wanting to hurt its feelings or make it feel ignored/neglected like he feels when he thinks about his father.

And slowly, overtime, in the true ending, with the help of the office, he starts to understand that the hoodie is just a thing. That he was so protective over it because of his own issues and that it's okay to let go. So eventually, when he outgrew it, he donated it to an orphanage as a sign of healing.

I love it when my brain has thoughts.

[turtleoncrack]

That hit hard

[cosmic-cris-draws]

New Tav go brrr This is Penance! She's a monk follower of Ilmater who has an enemies to lovers situation with Abdirak (+ also dating @m-u-n-c-h-y tav's Outis)

[inkyu]

Hey remember a few seconds ago how I said i'll doodle June Egbert? well here it is now because I'm impaient DFKGBDJHFGB

(this is my second time drawing June, my frist one is unpublished and will never see the light of day unless someone asks to see her X.X)

[fallingflowers0]

Baby, baby boy

[unidentifiedwhistlingobject]

I don't know how to make gifs but I hadn't seen anyone post this, so here's a screenshot of something I noticed in the trailer.

The left end of the U is trailing away into particles, probably sand

[laughingwith-bluelips]

I hate being bilingual. I want to write in English but I can't fucking think of a way to express a single phrase in a language that it's not Spanish. However, when I'm writing in Spanish, a random English word will came into my mind and ruin the mood

[judas-isariot]

Justin timberlake is probably a Werewolf.

[pocket-ghostie]

Guys help-

Ghost Eugene is literally So Fun to color... but the implications....

[void-speaks]

As an uwo enthusiast I didn't get shit about all of that too, so I was also confused.

Since I saw some people already explained the lying and all that, I'm gonna say a word about the other things.

Btw the reason why he was called a witch is because back then Boss was a shaman, which, from what I know, it is basically connected to spirituality and stuff, but people around him treated it like he was summoning demons or something, hence the nickname.

As for Charlie, what happened with them is that, after losing their memories due to being stuck in Joan's flashback of the war, they became completely white because they've forgot everything wrong that they did, hence why River was already not pleased when seeing them, because that's not how it was supposed to work, you were supposed to pay for all your misdeeds, not just magically have them all disappear.

Then, as the time goes on and they encounter things that remind them of their life before the underworld, from what I understand, they have that sense of guilt creep up on them again, which is why they comment on little black spots appearing on their body.

Later, when Charlie becomes fully (almost) black again, it is because they've remembered and realized how much they hurt people around them, like their well-meaning mother and Mike. The tine white spot on their chest is hard to explain because we don't know why it's there, but basically it means that there is something Charlie thinks he's done right in his life or in the underworld.

And, since I didn't get it while playing the game, I also wanna say why Eugene was like that tm after finding out the lies that Boss told them.

Basically he's been taught that right and wrong deeds are determined by something else (like a code or unspoken rule or something), and there would he absolutely no exceptions to the rules. So to him it was morally wrong to give nightmares to an abusive asshole who killed his wife and probably starved his children (fuck Jack). So his entire self-confidence and sense of self was built on the fact that he thought he was doing something right, that he was helping people, when in reality that could've been far off the truth. So it all shatters and crumbles down basically.

AND, I'd like to say that you only turn into a monster if you wallow in that guilt and regret too much, if you let the negative feelings consume you until you go mad. That's the reason why Boss hasn't turned into a monster yet, despite being fully black (the eyes don't count), because he knows he's done something bad and he feels extremely guilty, and that guilt only grows the more he continues to work in the office (one of the characters comments that he's turning darker every day despite working so hard to redeem himself). It was said somewhere in the game that a ghost turns into a monster only when they go completely mad, not when enough misdeeds stuck up on them.

And, as a final point, I think that a person can cross over only when they are ready to do so/think they deserve to do it. So with River for example, she crossed over while she still had the black spots all over her, but she thought she deserved to leave finally after everything, she was ready to do so. As for Hayden somewhere between the 1 and 2 game he told us that he's only waiting to cross over or something like that.

Question since Uwo reddit ded

I'm kinda dumb so can't comprehend a story by myself. Though theres no like story analysis or story rundown of this game since it's small.

So just asking what happened in Charlie in the underworld? I understand Joan and Hayden's part.. but Charlie's, River and Bosses ending I don't understand at all.

What was Charlie's story? I get his backstory but his nickname, details, ect. I don't get. That's not important tho.

Can anyone explain Bosses backstory? Totally don't understand. Also Rivers anger and everything towards boss. She keeps talking about a muzzle on her, lying, hypocrisy, and betrayal, and getting enraged cuz of him. But I don't understand that at all. What was that all about?

I don't understand the ending or the actual truth that boss was hiding, and why he hid it in the first place. Or Rivers anger of him all these years at all.

Can anyone give me a rundown on all those events and the truth and the whys of everything? Thanks q-q.

[deltasimaginaryland]

Underworld Office headcanons!

(UwO exclusive, haven't played CiU yet)

★Sometimes, when the situation calls for it, River and Joan threaten Eugene with Boss like a mother threatening a child that they'll tell their dad after he's back from work.

★After locking Charlie in her cane, Joan can sometimes hear his(or hers or theirs I don't know the game keeps switching the pronounce) quiet, faint screams. She just smirks a little at that.

★Eugene sometimes feeds stray cats.

★Linda likes to tell puns sometimes. They're cheesy, really cheesy. But Eugene can't help but giggle quietly to himself whenever he hears them while walking to or from school. He somehow finds them funny. He didn't tell anyone but Sean managed to catch on. He didn't tell Eugene he knows yet but he really appreciates Eugene finding his mom's jokes amusing.

★Eugene learned where Sean's grave lays and he'd sometimes come visit it with a flower from Linda's flower shop. Sean doesn't know it's Eugene so he thinks it's his mom. Eugene isn't planning on correcting him anytime soon.

★Eugene visits Finley and Tatum a lot. He's still not very talkative but he gladly plays with them and even takes them back to the playground from time to time.

★When there's danger (for example monsters) and Sean is talking with someone, his first instinct is to pick them up and run.

★Hayden pouts. A lot. Even for no reason.

★There's an unspoken rule in the office that there's no swearing allowed in front of Hayden or Eugene. River would sometimes almost slip up but then Boss would whack her. Eugene doesn't usually pick up on River's slip up and gets confused and startled when Boss suddenly whacks her with his fan.

★Eugene wanted to give something to River since she doesn't have anything the way Boss has his fan, ect. He tried to fall asleep while holding something but it didn't work as he planned and his spirit left his body with nothing. He never told her about it even though he tried that a couple of times.

★Hayden is the only one from the office ghosts that can't handle being outside during the day. Of course, it's tiring for all of them but he takes it the worst.

★Boss is very against anyone or himself spying on Eugene's private life but there was a situation. Eugene's been coming to the office with scars on his hands and face and he avoided answering any questions. As much as Boss was against it, he followed Eugene out of concern. Turns out Eugene was just trying to hug stray cats but they'd get mad at him and he was too embarrassed to admit to it.

★One time, Eugene saw a humanoid silhouette in the corner of his eye and thought that someone was following him. He got startled, only to realize that it was actually just his own shadow.

★Boss sometimes stands by a window, his hands behind his back, staring off into the distance as he gets lost in thought.

★River plans crimes for fun.

★Sean never learned how to swim. Just float awkwardly on his back. Even Hayden can swim better and he never swam without his floaties.

[kehaisntexist]

i have a little story time and the reason why i mentioned that

I was chilling in an online game where you can design a character right, and of course i made UWO eugene because i love him, and then someone came up to me and they said oh wait i played that game years ago, and then i went oh that's awesome you know this novel so we went on and on talking about it

I thought that person was like the cool ones like y'all, but deadass guess what

they suddenly mentioned about how they used to PAIRED Eugene with boss......

and chat what's even worse that they did not know there was a sequel of one of the ending ( charlie in underworld ) .......... In CONCLUSION they shipped TEEN eugene WITH boss. minor. Eugene. boss. I'm not kidding. and NO they STILL weren't ASHAMED of it and they talked about the pair as if they still love it.... oh and they also defended that one BossEugene TikTok account

[underworld-office-fan-acc]

What does Eugene think of Luke ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) (uwo)

(After the good ending I'm assuming)

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"Oh Luke? W-well he's- we're really good friends of course! And also with his uh- other friends!"

"He's very...nice to me. I don't understand how he- how he can stand up for a loner like me. I feel this- weird nice feeling i-inside me whenever he's around I guess..."

Eugene doesn't seem to have much more to say, seemingly lost in deep thoughts with their fidgety hands. Hair strands were suddenly in their face.

"Awwwh, Eugene has a little crush!" "R-RIVER?! WHERE DID YOU- YOU- I don't- I do not have a crush!!" "Come onnn, they way you were talking about him is giving it awayyy!"

"I think...you spend too much time with Hayden..." "Not enough actually! Did you know those highschool musicals are actually pretty good?"

Eugene seems more flustered from being outed, but River somehow changed the subject about Highschool Musicals so the redness went away eventually.

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Eugene: This...

River: This!!

[aeoni-sw]

hnnrgh I had to finish this one quick- saw the solar eclipse around 2:20-3:30 and thought: hmm could ghosts go out in the day while the eclipse is happening??

so yeah!! some uwo sillies seeing the solar eclipse! (didnt draw all of em- i was rushes lololol)

[azimuthalcoquelicot]

Please tell me I'm not the only one who thought that uwo was some sort of mix of owo and uwu and not the acronym for Underworld office.

Like I was not the only one who read #eugene uwo

and thought...