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Part 2 Learning to the love the other films in The Terminator series and what links it to the Tolerance film

Introduction

Hello There and welcome to the 2nd Chapter of a revised blog that looks at the Tolerance project and its links to the Terminator Franchise The first episode covered the first 3 films in the series

Terminator Terminator 2 Judgement Day and Terminator 3 Rise of the Machines Chapter 2 covers the other films in the series and what links it to the Tolerance project.

Reasons to love the other Terminator films

As I mentioned in the first episode of this blog I said that if it was up to me I would have stopped the Terminator series after the first 3 films I still stand by that but the other films in the series do have there high points as this article from the Screenrant website proves titled 10 good things in Terminator series after T2

To make it easier to understand I have placed the films in chronalogical order not how they were printed in the screenrant article

Terminator 3 Rise against the Machines

The Graveyard Shootout

Most of the iconic iconography associated with the Terminator movies comes from the first two movies. There are so many frames and concepts that have sunken their way into pop culture, but the sequels are severely lacking in those moments. However, the image of the T-800 wilding a mini-gun and carrying a coffin is one of the most iconic moments of the series and one forever associated with the Terminator. Sarah Connor having her grave filled with guns is equally hilarious and fitting for the character and this is one of the better moments of action in the movie.

Terminator 3 Rise against the Machines

The final appearance of Dr Silberman

Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines is the most indebted to James Cameron's first two movies, and is at all times trying to feel like the direct follow-up to T2. This often weighs the movie down, making it feel too repetitive and risk-averse, except for Earl Boen's cameo as Dr. Peter Silberman. The psychiatrist was a big part of the first two movies, and seeing him one last time, finally being afraid of the Terminator, is a great moment of comic relief and payoff. It is a bit of fan service that absolutely works, as well as one of the few times the movie feels alive.

Terminator 3 Rise against the Machines

The Bleak Ending

Most of the runtime of Terminator 3 is spent repeating beats from the first two movies, and it is a slog to get through. However, in the film's final moments, it almost justifies its entire existence. Instead of destroying yet another Terminator and closing the loop, judgment day happens, and humanity is almost entirely wiped out. It is one of the bleakest endings to a studio blockbuster, and while it may betray the sentiment of T2, at least it is trying something different. The ending may not make Terminator 3 worth the watch, but it was a noble idea to end the film on such a dour note.

Telling a different story

Terminator Salvation

McG's Terminator Salvation suffers from a bland script and a muddy visual style, but out of all the Terminator sequels, it took the biggest swing in trying to set the franchise down a new path. Almost every other sequel is trying to recapture the magic of T2, repeating the same plot points and characters, but Salvation decided to forego time travel and focus on the war of the future. The idea of a prequel/sequel following John Connor fighting Skynet is a great jumping-off point for a new trilogy if only the movie took more risks outside the premise.

Good Recasting

To give the series a fresh start, Terminator Salvation has an entirely new cast, with no one returning from any previous entry. This could have been a disaster that made the movie feel disconnected from the rest of the films, but they did a terrific job recasting iconic roles. Christian Bale is the best version of adult John Connor, giving him a gruff edge, but also a humanity that connects him to the child seen in T2, and the late great Anton Yelchin is perhaps the only person who could have believably replaced Michael Biehn.

Further Watching

To watch a video called 10 things u didn’t know about Terminator Salvation Click here  (17) 10 Things You Didn't Know About Terminator Salvation - YouTube

Terminator Genisys

The incredible De-aging

The 2015 reboot, Terminator Genisys, tried to play off people's nostalgia for the original movies, going so far as to recreate scenes from the first film shot for shot. These scenes were mostly unnecessary and the way the film played with the franchise timeline felt disrespectful, but the effects used to digitally deage Arnold Schwarzenegger to look like he did in 1984 were seamless. This digital Arnold looked even better than the one in Terminator: Dark Fate four years later, and the fight sequence between young and old T-800s was the peak of the movie.

Terminator Dark Fate

The Design of Rev 9

Not only did the T-1000 serve as the perfect villain for the first sequel, but he has proven to be almost impossible to top. No other terminator has been able to match Robert Patrick's intensity, and no design has felt as unstoppable and scary. However, Terminator: Dark Fate's Rev-9 comes as close as any Terminator installment could get. With a nanobot skin that can separate from the metallic skeleton, he is basically two terminators in one, and Gabriel Luna is a talented actor who can make the robot feel like a monster.

Terminator Dark Fate

The Opening Freeway chase

With James Cameron involved again, and Linda Hamilton returning, there was hope that Terminator: Dark Fate would be the return to form the franchise needed. Sadly, the movie dissolves into being yet another repeat of T2, but the film's opening minutes are very promising, and the first action set piece is exciting and well constructed. The movie action becomes ludicrous and unbelievable, but this opening sequence is the perfect mix between grounded and fantastical, making it the highlight of the movie. The epic reintroduction of Sarah Connor at the end is just the icing on the cake.

Terminator Dark Fate

The Character Of Grace 

While the movie didn't add up to the sum of its parts, there are a lot of good ideas in Terminator: Dark Fate, the best of which is Mackenzie Davis' Grace. A cybernetic enhanced human, Grace is the best spin on the protector role since T2. She is an interesting character, a good excuse for over-the-top fight scenes, and a vulnerable action star all at the same time. Davis is a stunning screen presence, and this character should have been the sole focus of the movie, but she sadly gets drowned out by all the other balls Dark Fate has to juggle

Further Watching 

To watch a review of Terminator Dark Fate click here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB6Cc5F1pCQ&list=PL17vqAEJv6CV1syq4_fFKgBwSqGdJzH9z&index=300&t=40s

Tolerance and the Terminator

Why am I talking about Terminator well we almost had a Terminator spoof in the Tolerance film as you can see below first published in the 2nd Part of my Producers comentary blog 

Deleted scene

Tolerance deals with five major issues, one of which is transport. The second deleted scene is one I rather miss, and I wish we had kept it as it would have been funny. In the finished film, we see Robert trying to get to his interview; his taxi has not turned up and he just misses the bus; it is just not his day. The deleted scene would have been a Terminator spoof. Perhaps the scene was excluded because the director felt a bus company would not let us borrow a bus for a few hours! It is a shame as Railtrack let us borrow a train for half a day for the Huddersfield Station sequences later in the film.

Terminator!

Robert falls into one of his day dreams and lifts himself out of the chair and onto the bus. He is now wearing full bike leathers, sun glasses and motorbike boots; the passengers on the bus look terrified!

ROBERT: Town.

Robert hands the driver a ten pound note.

BUS DRIVER (pointing to a sign which says correct change only): Correct change only mate.

Robert leans into the perspex.

ROBERT: 'I’ll be back'

Robert the Terminator steps off the bus; the bus pulls away leaving him standing next to the wheelchair in his normal clothes. According to the shooting schedule if this scene was shot it would have been recorded on the 17th August the same day as the Huddersfield Train station scenes making a long day even longer perhaps another reason why it was cut

The props listed for this deleted scene include full leather gear motorbike boots sunglasses and rather strangely a red eye was Richard planning to have a prosthetic eye made just for this scene ?

Pictures

A photo taken from the Graveyard shootout sequence from Terminator 3 Rise of the Machines

Dr Silberman played by Earl Boen

Original poster for Terminator Salvation

Christian Bale as John Conner in Terminator Salvation

An example of the work done on Arnold Schwarzenegger to de age him for  Terminator Genisys

A photo highlighting the design work that created Rev 9 played by Gabriel Luna

Photo from the highway chase from Terminator Dark fate

Grace played by Mackenzie Davis from Terminator Dark fate

The Termimator deleted scene as it appears in the The Tolerance film script

Notes

First all a big thank you to Screenrant for there article 10 good things in the Terminator series after T2 I wouldn’t have been able to finish this chapter of the blog without it Thanks to google images for all the pictures from the various films Minty Comedic arts for his 10 things you didn’t know about Terminator Salvation and Oliver Harper for his review of Terminator Dark Fate

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Further Watching

Trailers A collection of Trailers from all 6 films click here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYrcUanZ2dM

To watch a video about some of the computer games the franchise has inspired click here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZO2L1HVdUI&list=PL17vqAEJv6CV1syq4_fFKgBwSqGdJzH9z&index=317

An interesting video about the knock off and Clones of the Terminator series you can watch it by clicking here  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulV81PZXx4I&list=PL17vqAEJv6CV1syq4_fFKgBwSqGdJzH9z&index=341&t=32s

Coming Soon

The blog returns in 2 weeks time with a 2 part blog looking at the Jaws Franchise something to get your teeth into ha ha see what I did there

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Tolerance Project extra I’ll be back and he certainly was The Tolerance Project and The Terminator Franchise

Part One Terminator the first 3 films in the Series Terminator Terminator 2Judgement Day and Terminator 3 Rise Against The Machines

Introduction

Hello there and Welcome to a revised edition of a blog that looks at the Terminator film Franchise including the making of the original Terminator film from 1984 and the 2 sequels that followed it Terminator 2 Judgement Day and Terminator 3 Rise of the Machines for ease of reading the blog has been split in two chapters the second chapter deals with the other 3 films in the series Terminator Salvation Terminator Genysis and Terminator Dark fate as well as what links the film to the Toleramce Project

Today the 26th October marks the Terminator 40th Birthday of its original release at the cinema

Overview

The Terminator is a 1984 American science fiction action film directed by James It stars Arnold Schwarzenegger as the Terminator, a cyborg assassin sent back in time from 2029 to 1984 to kill Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton), whose unborn son will one day save mankind from extinction by Skynet, a hostile artificial intelligence in a post-apocalyptic future. Kyle Reese (Michael Biehn) is a soldier sent back in time to protect Sarah. The screenplay is credited to Cameron and producer Gale Anne Hurd.

Defying low pre-release expectations, The Terminator topped the United States box office for two weeks, eventually grossing $78.3 million against a modest $6.4 million budget. It is credited with launching Cameron's film career and solidifying Schwarzenegger's status as a leading man. The film's success led to a franchise consisting of several sequels, a television series, comic books, novels and video games. In 2008, The Terminator was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the United States National Film Registry.  

Casting The Terminator

It's hard to believe, but it's been roughly forty years since James Cameron changed movies forever with the release of The Terminator in 1984. At just 30 years old, this was Cameron's breakthrough, with his only other feature film being the low-budget Piranha II: The Spawning in 1981. His story about a cyborg sent from the future to kill the mother of a future resistance leader against robots who have taken over the Earth set Cameron on a path to becoming one of the most influential filmmakers ever. Before any of that could happen, however, Cameron needed to find the perfect face for his robotic monster. As we all know, the role went to Arnold Schwarzenegger, sending his career into the stratosphere, but before it did, there was talk of another famous name playing the part. Then one conversation with James Cameron changed everything, shaping history into the form we now know it.

Arnold Schwarzenegger Says O.J. Simpson Was the First Choice

In 1984, James Cameron might not have been famous yet, but Arnold Schwarzenegger was. He was the larger-than-life Austrian bodybuilder who had won seven Mr. Olympias and four Mr. Universe bodybuilding titles before transitioning to acting with roles in films such as Conan the Barbarian in 1982. Two years later, the same year a Conan the Barbarian sequel, Conan the Destroyer, was released, Arnold met with the unproven Cameron about his next project, a film with a much bigger scope than killer fish.

Cameron Says Simpson Was Never Considered To For ‘The Terminator’

In a 2023 interview with the eponymous host of Max’s talk show Who’s Talking to Chris Wallace, James Cameron set the record straight about a persistent rumor over the decades about fallen NFL star running back O.J. Simpson being considered to play the Terminator.

During the interview with Cameron, Wallace asked the writer-director to explain how the supposed consideration of Simpson for the role began.

“Very early on, a highly placed person at one of the two studios that funded that film had a brilliant idea and called me up and said, ‘Are you sitting down?’ I said, ‘Well, no, I’m not.’ He said, ‘Are you sitting? O.J. Simpson for the Terminator!’ I said, ‘I actually think that’s a bad idea.’ It didn’t go anywhere,” Cameron told Wallace (via Variety).

In a 2022 interview with Graham Bensinger, Schwarzenegger went into great detail about what those early interactions with James Cameron were like. Arnold said that when he got involved with the film, O.J. Simpson, then a beloved retired NFL running back who had transitioned to acting, was supposed to be the Terminator, with Schwarzenegger playing Kyle Reese, the good guy role who protects Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton) and fights against the Terminator. The role would eventually go to Michael Biehn. Arnold was told that he'd be meeting Cameron for lunch, because Cameron had to sign off on him playing Reese.

Arnold Schwarzenegger Convinced James Cameron To Give Him the Terminator Role Instead

At the lunch, Schwarzenegger told Cameron his thoughts about the film and focused on the Terminator, who he wasn't cast to play. He brought up Yul Brenner's killer robotic performance from Westworld, saying "Everything was kind of off because he was not like a human being, there was something wrong here, but you couldn't identify exactly what it was." Arnold was fascinated by Brenner's mechanical movements and told Cameron that whoever played Terminator had to be trained to act like a machine. "He cannot go and look down and have the magazine be put into the gun... This has to be done like a machine, therefore he has to be trained blindfolded."

Schwarzenegger said Cameron was impressed by his opinion and completely agreed. So, right then and there, he told Arnold, "There's no one who will understand the Terminator better than you, so therefore, I think we're all in agreement that you should play the Terminator." To this, Arnold said no. He saw playing the Terminator, who barely had any lines, as a regression in his acting career. He wanted to be Reese, who had all the lines and was more of a challenge. Cameron would not be dissuaded so easily. He told Arnold, "Trust me, I will shoot the character so that you're not only the number one villain they've ever seen, but the number one hero." Cameron told Schwarzenegger to go home and think about it for a few days. He did just that, going back and forth between visualizing himself as the hero and the villain. "Eventually one day I woke up and said to myself, you know, he's right. It would be the most memorable character if it's played right

The Terminator director James Cameron says Arnold Schwarzenegger wasn’t exactly who he had in mind to play the now iconic movie character.

The sci-fi movie classic will celebrate the 40th anniversary of its domestic release on October 26. In the film, Schwarzenegger stars as the title character—aka the T-800—a cyborg from the future who travels back in time to assassinate Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton), the mother of a future leader of a war against AI machines who have become self-aware.

In a recent interview with Empire Magazine, Cameron admitted that while Schwarzenegger isn’t the person he envisioned for the now-legendary role, he’s the reason for the longevity of the Terminator franchise.

.Further Watching

To watch a video called WTF Happened to The Terminator from from the JO Blos orignal you tube page Click here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1QwVogN-yA&t=46s

To watch a a retrospective review of the original Terminator film from the Oliver Harper You Tube page click here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRYFDGDBdG8&list=PL17vqAEJv6CV1syq4_fFKgBwSqGdJzH9z&index=301&t=16s

Ten things you didn't know about the Terminator Video Series from Minty Comedic arts

The Original Terminator film click here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-tprB2tQ4Q&t=117s 

Further Listening

This excellent Radio 4 Documentary where presenter explores the creation and enduring vision of the Terminator enduring A.I prophecy https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001xm5f 

Further Reading

This article by the slash film website gives a good history of the original film but also explains why Orion Pictures backed the film in the first place with only one condition to read it click here https://www.slashfilm.com/1515271/orion-pictures-agreed-finance-the-terminator-one-condition/

Me and The Terminator Franchise

There have been 6 films in The Terminator franchise I must admit I have not seen them all so I won’t comment on those but I think the first 2 films in the series are the best ones in the franchise as a whole.

 I would have stopped the series after Terminator 3 Rise of the Machines after all it would have made a nice little trilogy. I actually saw the 2nd Terminator film Judgement day first.

 

I only saw that because I was intriged by a spoof pop single in the British charts by Arnie and the Terminators which you can listen to by clicking here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JewSFEb4D6Y 

Quite a lot of people seem to agree with me that perharps the Terminator Franchise should have stopped after Terminator 2 Judgement day in 1991 the film even had a different ending shot for it that would have stopped the franchise after 2 films as detailed here

The epic saga of the "Terminator" films nearly had a far more conclusive ending in its second installment. James Cameron initially planned for a future-set epilogue in which an older Sarah Connor watches her son John, now a senator, playing with his daughter in a peaceful, Skynet-free world.

This would have sealed the fate of our beloved characters, leaving no room for a sequel, let alone the multiple that followed. As apocalyptic as the "Terminator" franchise tends to be, it's amusing to imagine it wrapping up with a peaceful picnic scene.

Screenrant again published an article on their website called 10 Movies that should have ended the Franchise and Terminator 2 Judgement Day was on their list at number at number 7 this is what they had to say.

There are several reasons why Terminator 2: Judgment Day still holds up today. Apart from the impressive effects and performance that brought the T-1000 to life, Terminator 2 compellingly raised the stakes and further explored the plot's ethical implications. It also pulled off the impossible by turning the first movie's villain, the T-800, into a hero and father figure to John Connor. With Skynet's defeat, Sarah and John finally had a reason to be optimistic in the ending, which brings the story to a full circle. The disappointing events of Terminator 3 and the succeeding reboot sequels only strengthen Judgment Day's place among movies that should have ended the franchise. 

Reading those comments myself its very hard to disagree with them also this article from the CBR.com website explains why the Terminator film series should have perharps stopped at Terminator 2 Judgement Day https://www.cbr.com/t2-perfect-end-terminator-series/

Also the yard Barker website included it in a list of films in article called Sequels that could have worked as standalone films this is what they had to say:

James Cameron’s original Terminator is a hallmark of sci-fi and action cinema, and, if anything, its sequel is even better. In this case, the story focuses on Sarah Connor, her son John, and their unlikely ally, the T-800. The entire cast is at the top of their game, though, of course, Arnold Schwarzenegger is a highlight as the Terminator. Throughout the film, Cameron showcases his skills as a director, and it’s a film that only grows in importance and relevance as AI becomes a more pronounced and undeniable part of everyone’s daily life, for better and for worse.

James Cameron himself explained why he felt Terminator 2 Judgement day was the best of the Terminator films he directored

During a recent interview with Empire Magazine (via Screen Rant), James Cameron, the visionary director behind the iconic Terminator franchise, offered insights into the evolution of the series and his personal growth as a filmmaker.

Cameron explains, "I look at each of those films as a slice of the cultural media zeitgeist of its time. The Terminator wasn't the first action film of the '80s. It was one of a group of action films, most of which came later. Army of one, giant body count, it was part of a zeitgeist. Terminator 2, there was a shifting consciousness. It was also just a better-made film. Physically better made, better realized. I look at them as moments in a career for me as a storyteller, that have specific meaning to me as well. Could I, with where I am now as a person, after all these school shootings, write The Terminator right now and get excited about it and want to go make it? No. I'm a different person, and that's fine too. That's the way it should be. We should evolve as artists. We should evolve as a society."

Further Watching 

To watch a retrospective review of Terminator 2 Judgement Day from the Oliver Harper Youtube page click here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB6Ydsahf08&list=PL17vqAEJv6CV1syq4_fFKgBwSqGdJzH9z&index=298&t=25s

Ten things you didn't know about the Terminator Video Series from Minty Comedic arts

Terminator 2 Judgement Day Click Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNaEUzo5DFw&t=88s

Terminator 3 Rise of The Machines click here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_klwA4A0O0&t=44s

To watch a retrospective review of Terminator 3 Rise of the Machines click here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8DLnrkBDZE&list=PL17vqAEJv6CV1syq4_fFKgBwSqGdJzH9z&index=297&t=2s

Futher Reading

This article from the CBR website also lists 10 reasons why Terminator 2 Judgement Day is the best film of the Franchise https://www.cbr.com/terminator-2-best-movie-franchise/

Notes

Thank you to Minty Comedic arts youtube channel for his 10 things you didn’t know about Terminator for the first 3 films in the Terminator series. Also Thank you Oliver Harper youtube Channel for his retrospective review series again on the first 3 Terminator films and also his review Dark Fate. and lastly thank you to Jo blo orignals for his wtf happened to the Terminator and other Terminator related videos T Thank you as well for Wikipedia for the background in the original Terminator film from 1984 and google images for all the pictures thanks to the following websites for the articles on the Terminator series Collider Screenrant CBR and Yard Barker

Pictures

Posters for the first 3 Terminator films and O. J Simpson

Next Week

This second part of this blog looking at the Terminator Franchise will be back in 3 weeks time see what I did there Ha Ha Part 2 of this will be looking at the other 3 films in the series and what links to the Tolerance project Next week we will be publishing the first part of a 2 part blog looking at the Halloween series of films