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fullscoreshenanigans · 9 months ago
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(The Promised Neverland Art Book World)
Ah yes, one of my favorite genres of baby full score trio pictures: Isabella being openly affectionate toward Emma and Norman in front of Ray while being hands off with him.
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(Chapter 2 | Chapter 37 | Chapter 165 | Chapter 170 | Chapter 177)
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fullscoreshenanigans · 1 month ago
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Kei Toda has a section dedicated to this in the religion chapter of Reading The Promised Neverland with a British/American Literature Scholar! (found here)
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why didn't any of u tell me that Emma is Moses. like I knew somewhere deep inside but it just hit me today when I was watching prince of Egypt.
no and like? minerva telling them through the pen where to go? Emma basically dying before she could reach 'the promised land'? Norman saying he's going to slaughter the demons just like they slaughters all the cattle children? And Emma feeling bad about it but being like ok whatever until she didn't? how did I not realize this
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amitabhaamitabha-blog · 5 years ago
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*No, I hope he never does. There's too much pain there, and letting it go is part of him moving on and healing. **He does for a few people/his family so they know it existed and each person can decide their own relationship with it, but he never sings it again after that. ***Yes. It's a slow process, but eventually he transforms it into something healing, even with the sadness it carries. He's still fairly private about it, though. ****I have strong leanings toward no but could be swayed toward yes by a capable author/artist. *****I have strong leanings toward yes but could be swayed toward no by a capable author/artist.
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(S1 Episode 10 | S1 Episode 12 | Chapter 37 | TPN Light Novel 2: Moms’ Song of Remembrance - “The Starry Sky and Leslie’s List”)
[Related post with thoughts on this] [Related poll about Ray's relationship with reading post-escape]
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fullscoreshenanigans · 1 year ago
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@istgd-2 aaay nice choice 😎👍 the first four volumes were pretty faithfully adapted in the first series of the anime (chapter 5 is the only one that was majorly scrapped due to time), so if money’s a concern, you can skip them and won’t miss too much.
Chapter 38 in volume five is where the first series leaves off, so if you start collecting from that point you’ll already have one of the major chapters of focus for Isabella (chapter 37, shown in episode 12 of the anime), but with the addition of the inner monologues providing further insight into her character. This is one of the major points of contention with the anime adaption, and why I think buying the first four volumes are worth it, not only for her, but also the five oldest children at Grace Field. We’re also shown more visuals from Ray’s past (such as in chapter 28 of his time at headquarters).
I will also advocate for reading the first story of the second light novel, Moms' Song of Remembrance (published January 2019, has no official English translation). In "The Starry Night and Leslie's List," Isabella remembers helping Leslie with a list of goals he set out to accomplish before leaving Grace Field two days before he’s shipped out. It’s book-ended by segments set on January 15, 2046, where Isabella briefly chats with Phil, reflects on her relationship with Ray, and finds new purpose now that her children have proven she was wrong about escape being impossible. Invaluable for anyone looking for more official Isabella-related content. I've posted some excerpts of it here, here, here, here, and here (spoilers for the entire series).
I also have a brief overview post of most of the stories in all four of the light novels if you're interested.
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My stance on this varies depending on the AU, but I generally don't see him touching it again unprompted until his 20s at the earliest.
He wouldn't hum it for his siblings or any hypothetical future children of his own when they're young as a means of comfort, but if the topic of Isabella came up when they're older, he might do it to offer them some closure and perspective; a missing piece of their childhood fluttering on the edges of their memories:
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(Chapter 37; after keeping the song to herself for so long, and the anger she felt toward Ray that she wasn't able to let go of for years for humming it and robbing her of the illusion she crafted for plant 3, she's able to embrace it transforming from a solitary song of strength and survival founded on suffering and sacrifice to one of strength through collective solidarity and familial love that Obata eventually came to use as the foundation for S1's soundtrack)
Despite his own painful and complicated feelings toward her, he would want them to have as much information as they could, so they could come to their own conclusions and reconcile their own individual feelings toward the woman who raised them.
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Something of interest to me is how it seems like there’s a 50/50 divide on whether Ray would ever sing Isabella’s (/Leslie’s) lullaby after leaving Grace Field; enjoy seeing everyone’s different stances on it.
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Appreciate the diverse spread of answers even with the limited options, along with the huge chunk of people saying he wouldn't be okay with it/it's complicated, mostly due to my anecdotal experience of seeing a lot of work where it seems like he casually brushes years of trauma aside.
Probably should have had something like "No/Yes, but in a way that isn't described here (elaboration in reblogs/replies)" because there's a lot of nuance that can go into it.
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I generally lean toward him being more private about it and it always carrying some sadness for him, but depending on how an artist gets there I could go either way. (Every day I'm begging for ranked or multiple choice options on polls.) It's the journey that determines if the outcome feels warranted.
*No, I hope he never does. There's too much pain there, and letting it go is part of him moving on and healing. **He does for a few people/his family so they know it existed and each person can decide their own relationship with it, but he never sings it again after that. ***Yes. It's a slow process, but eventually he transforms it into something healing, even with the sadness it carries. He's still fairly private about it, though. ****I have strong leanings toward no but could be swayed toward yes by a capable author/artist. *****I have strong leanings toward yes but could be swayed toward no by a capable author/artist.
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(S1 Episode 10 | S1 Episode 12 | Chapter 37 | TPN Light Novel 2: Moms’ Song of Remembrance - “The Starry Sky and Leslie’s List”)
[Related post with thoughts on this] [Related poll about Ray's relationship with reading post-escape]
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For me, the title page of volume one reads as heartbreaking with how deceptive it is by feeding into the idyllic presentation of Grace Field while also hinting at the fraught, conflicting relationship between the two and how it differs from her relationship with Emma and Norman.
He's facing away from her, arms crossed. To those around them, it looks like Ray's just being his naturally disengaged self, not nearly as inclined to open displays of affection as his two best friends (especially, oddly, with Mom).
But to me, his posture betrays how he's trying his best to balance not breaking the facade that's been carefully crafted (because he can't afford to, for Emma's and Norman's sake), wanting to feel like he has some semblance of control at maintaining a distance from her—hence closing himself off with his arms crossed while Emma and Norman are much more receptive to her embrace—and trying not to hate himself more than he already does.
Plagiarizing myself from this post regarding this sketch of them from chapter 43:
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re: Ray, I see it as him being either so desperate for affection he goes to her while utterly loathing himself for giving into that moment of weakness (I will forever love the anime for including him humming her lullaby on the night of the fire for what one can interpret from it), or she manipulated him into doing it while they were in front of the other children to remind him of the power she holds in this intricate and delicate hell they’re living in, making him suffer another small defeat in a line of many. ["That’s something he will never have. Ray probably thinks that she is giving him all this because of his academic prowess."] The wondering whether this is something he treats as a flat matter of fact or if it’s something he laments and forces himself to believe, because imagining Isabella being able to love him while choosing to interact with him the way she does—putting on a loving show in public while taking her mask off behind closed doors and maintaining the clinical air of a business transaction—is simultaneously a waste of energy and too painful.
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With the sharp upward turn of his eyebrow coloring his expression, it looks so painfully rueful, in the kind of way where one has to laugh at the absurdity of the situation because otherwise you'll cry.
That desperate wish that this illusion was real, for their sake if not for his own, while internally loathing that part of himself he's tried so hard to snuff out that still yearns for that sense of connection with her, unmarred, untainted.
The kind they had before he revealed he knew the truth.
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(Chapter 181.1)
But he loved Emma and Norman more than he feared the consequences of what that reveal would mean for himself.
The tragedy of this I feel is conveyed beautifully in evanescent's always a riddle inside my head (aesop's kin):
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#the fact that all these panels of the kids reminiscing about isabella’s kindness #feature a tiny ray being completely left out of that #it’s like. ray and isabella’s relationship is never fully resolved or even addressed but that’s part of the point and it lingers here #it’s like shirai didn’t have the time or interest to talk about it but he left it there in these discordant notes #‘to me she was always a monster’ is the last thing he really says about her #and that was in a side comic (via @esthelle18)
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Ah yes, one of my favorite genres of baby full score trio pictures: Isabella being openly affectionate toward Emma and Norman in front of Ray while being hands off with him.
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fullscoreshenanigans · 9 months ago
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THE WAY HE LATCHES ONTO HER LIKE A LITTLE BABY KOALA I
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Ah yes, one of my favorite genres of baby full score trio pictures: Isabella being openly affectionate toward Emma and Norman in front of Ray while being hands off with him.
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