#Super Gogeta: Born from the Fusion between Goku and Vegeta!

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Special Poster ''Super Gogeta & Super Vegeku''!

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No problem at all! In depth explanations and context below, or skip to the TL;DR at the bottom for a summary. I'd prefer you read it all though, it'll help with getting more knowledgeable conversation going ^-^

So there are two main fighters in Dragon Ball Z/Super, Goku and Vegeta. They're both Saiyans, a race of powerful warriors that get stronger when they are nearly killed, and have access to a host of transformations that increase their power exponentially.

Goku was born weak and pathetic by Saiyan standards, while Vegeta was born as the Prince of their race, which had a caste system based on battle potential meaning, by their beliefs, as Prince, Vegeta was among the most elite warriors out there, the most powerful.

They've trained immensely, become powerful enough to face down the gods themselves, and are such threats that, in a tournament for the survival of entire universes, EVERY OTHER UNIVERSE agreed that Goku was such a threat he needed to be eliminated IMMEDIATELY for anyone else to have a chance (Except Universe 11 which had it's own ungodly powerful fighter)

They're relatively equal in power, Goku and Vegeta, and are always alternating who is stronger.

Vegeta is very serious in his fights, and actively attempts to destroy his opponent with great prejudice in most cases. So he's more likely than Goku to employ the "Kill them instantly" strategy against Kirby, but given his propensity for bullying, he's MORE likely to try and break Kirby's spirit first, which we all know WILL NOT WORK. That's why Vegeta gets 5%, he's more likely than Goku, but still not very likely.

Gogeta is the result of a technique known as the Fusion Dance. It takes 2 beings, fuses their bodies and spirits, with the result having their combined power and then some (The formula is basically (X+Y)x1.5=Z with Z being the Fusion's power). It also takes elements of each fusee's personality and mixes it to form a whole new personality, one unique to the Fusion. Gogeta's personality is comprised of Vegeta's willingness to kill and his "Why hold back?" attitude, as well as Goku's cocky nature and eagerness to fight. The result is a fighter that goes all-out from the get-go, uses their absolute most powerful combos and abilities from the very start, with no hesitation around outright killing their opponent. That's why Gogeta wins 100% of the fights against Kirby, he doesn't hold back for anything.

Vegito is the result of a different form of Fusion, "Potara Fusion". Potara fusion has a different formula: XxY=Z. Simpler, but FAR more powerful. If Goku and Vegeta were both given a power level of 100, for simplicity's sake, the Fusion Dance puts Gogeta at 300. Meanwhile, Vegito with those same numbers would have a power level of 10,000. But Vegito, despite being stronger, is a totally different person from Gogeta. Vegito's personality is comprised of Goku's love of a good fight, Vegeta's pride in himself, and the toxic combination of Vegeta's enjoyment of being superior to others with Goku's playful nature. This is a bad mix. Vegito is cocky, playful, and arrogant. He toys with his opponent, taking time to revel in his power over them, bullying and teasing and abusing them mentally and physically simply because he knows he can. Or rather...he believes he can.

Something important to note: Fusion only lasts so long. The Dance has a time limit of 30 minutes of Fusion, with excessive power usage draining the Fusion and reducing the time limit. Potara has a limit of 1 hour for non-Kai (Gods of creation) unless the fusion is just so powerful it drains the magic of the Potara too fast to last a full hour.

Vegito is known to be too powerful, Potara can't last an hour with him.

I think, despite the massive power gap between Vegito and Gogeta, Gogeta would win 100% of the time against Kirby because he would not waste time. The fight would begin and Gogeta would end it in the time it takes for a single synapse to spark, not giving Kirby enough time to react in any way, meanwhile Vegito would lose against Kirby 100% of the time because he would be too cocky to actually try, he would only play around and toy with Kirby, which would lead to a loss either way.

Either Vegito toys around too long, fusion runs out, and "Vegito" is no longer able to fight thereby being a loss by default, or Vegito annoys Kirby by teasing and mocking him and Kirby starts trying, thereby rendering Vegito the loser by the very same methods we decided he would use to beat Goku.

TL;DR

Goku and Vegeta are immensely powerful warriors, rivals who are (relatively) evenly matched. Goku's too playful to fight all out at the start, giving Kirby the win 98% of the time, but Goku will fight all out at the start if he knows he needs to, which is where Goku's 2% chance comes in.

Vegeta is arrogant, and a bully, he likes playing with his food to break it's spirit first, which is why Kirby has a 95% chance to win, but Vegeta is more likely than Goku to start the fight all out, which is why Vegeta gets 5% while Goku gets 2%.

Gogeta is the result of one form of Fusion that allows them to combine their powers with the formula (Goku+Vegeta)x1.5=Gogeta, and refuses to hold back in any form meaning his go-to method right out the gate is "kill them quickly with your strongest and fastest attack", giving Gogeta a 100% winrate against Kirby.

Vegito is the result of a different form of Fusion that allows them to combine their powers with the formula Goku x Vegeta = Vegito, but Despite Vegito being vastly more powerful than Gogeta, he's too playful and too cocky to take any fight seriously, which would give Kirby the advantage in all cases, a 100% winrate for Kirby.

I think another consideration with Kirby is that several (but not all!) of his final boss weapons seem or are implied to be counters to the various forms of Dark Matter, which I believe would mean that they wouldn't be nearly as effective against Goku, since he is neither made of Dark Matter or evil in nature.

One more thing to take in consideration even with this, though, is the existence of the Hypernova ability for Kirby.

Kirby might struggle with scaling up with Goku's later forms without replication of the forms, but I would say Hypernova is the ultimate counter for Goku. In the final battle, it was shown to be capable of inhaling energy attacks directly, but also Breaking The Fourth Wall by also inhaling the HUD element for Queen Sectoria's health. This isn't really scalable, but is for consideration for the whole "gag character counter" idea.

TL:DR; Kirby Hypernova ruined all powerscaling debates. Kirby can win with it

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Dragon Ball Z Super Broly 4: The Quest for Peace

I don’t know what image to use to start this off, so I’m gonna go with this shot of Bulma, because it’s pretty non-spoilery, and I thought she looked cute hiding back there in her li’l snowsuit.  

I’m not sure how to organize my thoughts on this, so let’s start with just a general overview of the movie.   It was really good, and I think this movie proves that Akira Toriyama still has a tremendous talent for storytelling.   I think he’s taken a lot of lumps from critics over the years, but personally I prefer to lay the blame on the other creators who work with him or for him on these types of projects.  The filler scenes I’ve been covering on my Dragon Ball Liveblog sort of bear this out.   The stuff adapted from the manga has very clear characterization and plot continuity.   Point A always leads to Point B and the loose ends tend to get tied up later on.    But whenever the other guys at Toei get involved, things get a little wonky, and the details don’t always add up.    The worst parts of the Dragon Ball Super anime have a similar feel to the dopiest filler scenes from Dragon Ball and DBZ, so I don’t think I’m lionizing Toriyama too much in this.   He’s not perfect, but he knows how to make these characters work. 

The best evidence of this is how he took a glorified monster heel like Broly and made him into a sympathetic character.   The Movie 8 version of Broly had a very similar origin story to this newer, greener Broly.   For the sake of discussion, I’m going to be calling them Broly ‘18 and Broly ‘93, all right?  

Broly ‘93 was born with a really amazing power level, and King Vegeta had him killed because he might become a potential danger some day.  Paragus tried to intervene, and ended up sharing his son’s fate, but they ended up saving each other’s lives and Paragus raised him in exile, dreaming of the day they could take revenge against King Vegeta. 

Broly ‘18... pretty much everything I just said, only King Vegeta shot him into space instead of trying to stab him.   That makes a huge difference, because it allows Paragus to run off and find him instead of getting condemned to death for defying King Vegeta in person.   One of the plot holes in Movie 8 was that Baby Broly ‘93 managed to survive getting stabbed and Paragus ‘93 managed to survive taking an energy blast from King Vegeta, and then they both survived the planet exploding.  

Watching this movie, I could really tell that Toriyama went over the 1993 film with a critical eye.    Not too many people watched Movie 8 and felt much sympathy for Broly, even though he kind of deserves some.  Broly ‘93′s dad controlled him with a creepy device, and tried to use him as a weapon of revenge against people he’d never met.  The trouble is that Broly ‘93 never got the spotlight to demonstrae why he might deserve some pity.   He just stood around and then he went bonkers and destroyed those aliens’ home planet.   Toriyama watched this and realized it’d be a more compelling story if the audience felt sorry for the big guy.  

And so you have scenes of Kid Broly trying to survive on his own.    You have new characters introduced who befriend Broly ‘18 and confront Paragus for how he treats him.   And when it’s time for Broly ‘18 to fight, he’s actually at a disadvantage.   Vegeta really works him over good for a long time before Broly starts building up enough power to defend himself.  It was rather shocking to me to see this character being treated as a weaker fighter, even temporarily.   This was probably something Movie 8 lacked.   Broly ‘93 looked pretty pathetic in his base form, but no one ever picked on him or anything.   Later, when Gogeta is finally turning the tide against Broly ‘18, it becomes clear that Broly ‘18 is definitely losing, and he’s going to be killed, and it’s not right, because he never asked for any of this.  

There’s a definite Android 8 quality to Broly ‘18.    It’s not quite the same.  Broly ‘18 isn’t a pacifist and he’s not afraid to fight, but he’s in that same boat where he’s a character introduced as this enormous threat, and then it turns out he’s pretty gentle at heart, and he’s only on the front lines because he’s been coerced into it.   I think Toriyama looked at the 1993 version and said “Okay, he’s way stronger than Goku and Vegeta.   That’s his gimmick, so he has to keep that aspect.   But there has to be some trade-off for that.   He has to have a great weakness to balance out his immense strength.” 

That’s pretty much true for all of the Dragon Ball characters.   Master Roshi is introduced as an invincible fighter, but he’s consumed with lust and other carnal desires.   Goku’s the great hero who always rises to the occasion, but he’s really naive and careless about a lot of things.   Bulma’s a technological genius, but physically weak and also very self-centered.   Vegeta is powerful, but often blinded by his ego.    Most of the movie villains lack that balance.   Broly ‘93 is a great example of a movie villain who’s just sort of unstoppable until the end of the movie, when Goku finally punches a hole in him and he explodes.  Broly ‘93, Bojack, Super Android 13, none of these big galoots are brought down by a fatal flaw.   They’re just really strong until it’s time for them to not be really strong any more, and then they get wrecked.

Improving this single aspect of the Broly concept opens up a world of possibilities.    For one thing, it makes all the fights in this new movie distinct.   I saw clips of Broly fighting different guys in this movie, which made me wonder how this was supposed to work.    Well, it’s actually pretty simple.   Broly steps off the spaceship, fights Vegeta, and then he starts losing.    Then he begins to learn how to keep up with Vegeta, and things get dicey.   Before it gets too tough for Vegeta, Goku decides to cut in and he fights evenly with Broly for a while, until he finds that he can’t keep up with him even at Super Saiyan Blue.    Then Goku and Vegeta tag team him for a little bit and pawn him off on Frieza.    By this point Broly’s gone so bonkers that he can’t distinguish one opponent from another, so Freiza becomes the object of his wrath while Goku and Geets take a breather to learn how to fuse.   Frieza can’t win, but he doesn’t need to, he just has to not die until Gogeta can return to close this thing out.    Then Gogeta fights Broly.  At this point Broly seems almost powerful enough to keep up, but Gogeta eventually wears him down, and Broly on the verge of defeat.  

It’s a beautiful thing.   You couldn’t do that with a 1990′s movie villain, because most of them were big dumb brutes without enough personality to function this way.    Broly ‘18 isn’t just an underdog who becomes and overdog and then becomes an underdog again.   What makes this formula work is that Cheelai and Leemo feel sorry for him on the sidelines.   On top of that I think Paragus truly does care about Broly ‘18, even though he’s a pretty lousy parent.   In the end, Paragus finally recognizes that King Vegeta had been right to exile Broly ‘18 all along.    He’s simply too dangerous for a combat situation.

I also really like how Goku tries to befriend him at the end of the movie.   It shows that Gogeta was only using lethal force as a last resort.    Once the battle is over and Broly’s no longer a threat, Goku wants to make things right and reassure Broly that they can be Saiyans and not have to kill each other or isolate themselves from the rest of the universe.   They could spar for funsies, like Goku and Vegeta did at the start of the movie.  

In particular, I’m very fond of the line at the end where Goku tells Cheelai his name, but adds “But Broly... Call me Kakarot.”   I love that because it’s like Goku is embracing this Saiyan custom of addressing each other by their Saiyan names.   He doesn’t call himself Kakarot, but all the other Saiyans do, and he wants Broly to feel like he can as well.    He can relate to Broly as a fellow outsider who had to grow up on another world.   He’s trying to give Broly a piece of the Saiyan culture, even if it’s a very small one.   It’s a big change from back when he angrily demanded that people not call him that because he was Son Goku.   After all these years, Goku’s comfortable being a Saiyan.   He doesn’t have to choose between being Goku or Kakarot.  He can be both.   He wants Broly to know he doesn’t have to choose either. 

It’s definitely a great Dragon Ball film.   The animation is well done, the writing is solid and on point.   There’s never really a place where things get dull for any appreciable length of time.   Even the space travel scenes are interesting, despite being rather low key. 

Is it better than Movie 8?   Well yeah, but I’m reluctant to say so, because I sort of have a soft spot for Movie 8, and I hate to just turn on it completely.    This new movie is superior in every objective way, though.   The characters are more developed, the action is more balanced, and the visuals are more compelling.   It’s forty minutes longer than Movie 8, and it shows.   There’s a lot of plot points that get breezed over in Movie 8, probably because there simply wasn’t room to explain how Piccolo got to the South Galaxy so quickly, or whatever else didn’t get explained.  The DBS movie actually used the Dragon Balls in the plot, which is usually a plus as Dragon Ball films go.   Call me stupid, though, but Movie 8 had Future Trunks and King Kai in it, and that makes a bigger difference than it really ought to.  

Is DBS: Broly a better movie than Fusion Reborn?   Hell no.  Fusion Reborn is friggin’ fantastic from start to finish.   Better plot, better music, cooler villain, beter visuals.   Yeah Gogeta got more time to shine in “Broly” but I’ll take a few seconds of Gogeta one-shotting the bad guy over ten minutes of Gogeta showing off.   Sometimes less is more, you know?   Fusion Reborn is untoppable, the end. 

Is it better than the Bardock TV Special?   Definitely, because the Bardock TV Special has some problems.   Is it a better Bardock/Destruction of Planet Vegeta story?  I’d have to give that some thought.   I don’t hate Dragon Ball Minus, but I don’t necessarily love the Father of Goku TV special either.   DBS: Broly pretty much adapted the entire Dragon Ball Minus story and just added in scenes of Paragus and King Vegeta.   Honestly, I’m not sure any of these really gets it right.   Each of them seems to treat Frieza’s betrayal and Goku’s trip to Earth as boxes on a checklist.   I’m not sure I can explain what I mean.    Best to save that for later.  

I’ve got other thoughts on this movie, but I think I’ll call it here for now.    If you want me to go on about a particular topic, shoot me an ask and I’ll talk about it.  But definitely, you should check this movie out.    It’s a really fun experience.

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Thoughts of the Droid: Dragon Ball Super: Broly (2019)

Hello, people of Tumblr! How does life treat you? As always, your friend Rankakiu hopes that very well. Finally, I had the opportunity to see "Dragon Ball Super: Broly", this being the first film I see in this 2019 in progress. Without further ado, let's give it.

Warning: NOT FREE SPOILERS. Read it at your own risk.

It's not the first time the iconic character of Broly has been used in the franchise. He had previously appeared in three films in the format of OVA: "Dragon Ball Z: Broly – The Legendary Super Saiyan", "Dragon Ball Z: Broly – Second Coming" and finally "Dragon Ball Z: Bio-Broly", being this third installment the most controversial because of its low quality. With the inclusion of the character in this recent installment, Broly has become part of the canon of the franchise, along with other characters of yesteryear like Bardock, Paragus, and Gogeta, in addition, to also add to the canon recent characters like Gine, the mother of Goku.

Entering already in full in the review, What do I think about the movie? Short answer: Good and entertaining. Now let's go into more details to analyze the movie properly.

Characters: Our favorite characters and we absolutely all know, returns. Along with old acquaintances, arrive new ones that are quite nice and charming, adjectives that describe very well Cheelai and Lemo, two characters that not only serve as comic relief, but also help Broly on several occasions, either teaching the Saiyan naive how the world works (or universe, as you want to see it), or saving it -literally- life. Highlight especially Cheelai. Her design is beautiful and her personality spreads enthusiasm, plus she will surely have a more important role in the future to help Broly control his enormous power. Most likely we will also see a future romance between these two characters.

Of course, I could not leave this review without talking about the main star of the film: Broly. Unlike his previous incarnation in which he was designated as a villain, here in this film he can be interpreted as a victim of circumstances. A being, in essence, innocent, born with the curse of having such an excessive power that is unable to control it. A young man who, given his null contact with other people and with the different worlds, do not know many things about life. It is a character that despite its tremendous power, is fragile in the deep and it helps the viewer sympathize with him. I emphasize this part to describe Paragus as a terrible father since he only saw his son as a powerful weapon to carry out his plans, and not as his son, his own blood. It is clear that Paragus did not change much the background he had in his first and last appearance. And in spite of everything, Broly loved his father and the proof of it is when he finds out about his death, he infuriates in such a way that he becomes a Super Saiyan.

Another striking aspect that I personally liked was that they showed Bardock's relationship with Gine and his son, Goku. Despite being a Saiyan, a being who is combative and ruthless by nature, proved to love his family, even when he has not expressed it so openly. Without a doubt, the farewell of Gine with her son was a very successful and moving scene.

History: Even though it is not perfect, it is quite acceptable. I loved that they showed us more about how the planet Vegeta was, along with some small views of their society, customs, and even their politics and technology. It feels a more complete world, but which still offers the possibility of being further explored thoroughly. The main conflict is presented in a direct and simple way, showing how the situations occurred, one after the other so that in the end the duel of the three Saiyan would end and that it would be justified. Something that I applaud is that in the end, they did not kill Broly and that even Goku is willing to help his new rival so that he controls his powers, which opens up more possibilities that the potential offered by this new reinvention of Broly be explored to fullness. Like I said, the story is not perfect, but it's solid enough to keep you entertained.

Animation: In the first minutes you notice a very sublime and beautifully cared for work, despite being limited animation. In general, the animation manages a very good standard throughout the film, being that the best strokes, drawings, and animation can be seen in many of the natural environments that are shown and specifically in the close-ups of the faces of the characters. However, not everything is honey over flakes, since there are several scenes that are badly drawn and in others, the stroke and animation are simply horrible. In the case that concerns us, the dance of fusion is the one that suffers the most from this problem.

Action: Something that has distinguished the franchise, is undoubtedly the action that manages in the fighting. This movie is not the exception. It is the action that we all know and love, where we see warriors exchange blows with such a huge force that pulverizes great mountains and completely changes the geography of the place of combat. Perhaps a negative point is that there are some sequences where the action goes too fast and does not allow much appreciation of the exchange of blows. It's dynamic and fast, yes; but it would be good to return a little the action of yesteryear, where you could appreciate for seconds how the blows were connected in the opponent, plus you could feel the strength and power of such blows. Another detail that I found negative is that in the final part of the fight, the action is too overwhelming and exaggerated, even by the standards established in the series. There is even the ridicule that by the excessive power of Broly and Gogeta, both fight for seconds in a kind of alternate dimension or fragmented reality. I hope that in future installments do not abuse much of the action in this way.

In conclusion, Dragon Ball Super: Broly, without being a masterpiece, is a good movie to pass the time and remember longing for this franchise. A good addition to the twenty films that exist in this mythical series. If you are a die-hard fan of the franchise and you liked the anime of Dragon Ball Super, you will undoubtedly love this movie. If on the other hand, you are a more demanding fan, the movie may not be to your liking. For my part, I would not hesitate to add it to my catalog of animated films. I give this movie 3 out of 5 Legendary Super Saiyans. A movie that shows that Dragon Ball still has a future ahead.

Greetings

Rankakiu

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Blog Verses Masterpost

 run out (dub-isms, bad-iar, or no)Gonna be naming and linking all of my AUs as I come up with them, and stuff! Will include a brief synopsis for each one!

Goku Verses -Main (Goku’s main verse, meant to be a composite Goku between different canons, particular details need asked for) -Post-GT (Goku’s adventures with Shenlong following the defeat of Omega Shenlong) -Not Quite a Super Saiyan (The Goku between the Piccolo arcs and The Freeza arc) -Not Yet a Father (Despite its name, basically any time during the DB -> DBZ timeskip) -Mystical Adventure (Young Goku Verse) -No Brain Damage (A Kakarot verse where he was never injured and went on to attack and murder nearly every living creature on Earth, prior to being found by Raditz in his adulthood)(x) -Native Saiyan (Kakarot’s position is swapped with Vegeta’s. While not a natural genius, Kakarot is a late bloomer that becomes powerful through repeated brawls, resulting in his person being covered in scars)(x) -Western-Style (A version of Goku who exists in the DC and Marvel universes)(x) -Earth-3 (The comic-style Goku but made evil as heck)(x)

Goba Verses (No this is not fem!Goku, it is Goku’s and Chi-Chi’s daughter, can be found in more detail here) -”Main” (Goba is born the year following the ToP and her life occurs as inferred in her entry)

Vegito Verses (Does this make a multi-muse? No, he’s a variant of Goku through a fusion. And Goba is only a guest muse) -What Retcon? (Vegito remained fused as the retcon doesn’t exist, meaning that this fusion timer would never run out, and as per MasakoX’s fanfiction doesn’t unfuse until AT LEAST The 6+7 tournament) -True Permanence (The series goes on, with Vegito never unfusing, Dragon Balls or otherwise)

Gogeta Verses (Look @ Vegito) -Eternal Fusion (A Gogeta who remains fused indefinitely, is otherwise a composite Gogeta) -From Beyond The Dead (Basically the Janemba movie version) -Canon (SSB Gogeta from the upcoming movie)