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severalspoons · 4 years ago

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Liveblog: Rewatching Trigun, Episode 15

Warning: I’m having more and more difficulty figuring out what counts as a spoiler, much less avoiding them, so I recommend if you’ve just discovered this liveblog series you go back to Episode 1. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Also, it’s been a while since I’ve read the manga, so I’m not always sure whether I’m spoiling the anime or manga sometimes. Sorry.

-- Milly’s being such a brat. Actually, both girls are right now. You’re being carried on a litter like the queen of an ancient empire and you’re gonna complain about the pace? ::rolls eyes::

-- Look at Midvalley the saxophone player. He is such a bard. The kind who knows he’s gorgeous and tries to sleep with everyone, up to and including the dragon.

-- That’s a big cheesecake, Legato. You gonna eat the whole thing right here?

Legato has gone from eating a hot dog to eating something soft and sweet, which IIRC becomes his pattern from now on. No theories about Legato’s eating pattern, just interested.

-- Legato was named for his voice, wasn’t he?

-- I want to come off as chill as Legato...

It’s especially impressive how unflappable he’s acting right now given his (manga) backstory.

-- Sometimes the best way to annoy people is to completely ignore them.

-- “It’s not wise to be hasty.” He seems similar to Vash and different than Wolfwood in that way.

-- I’m kind of surprised the Roderick gang didn’t all try to jump Legato at once. They think of themselves like “brothers,” so they probably could’ve been coordinated enough. They’d have no way to know he could mind-control so many people at once. (When you consider that he has to concentrate a little bit to control each person, you can see how vast and well-controlled Legato’s attention must be).

-- That little Midvalley smile before he goes back to playing.

-- “At least now you know how much pain there is in living.” He’s the prophet of suffering.

Legato is not the usual sort of person consumed by pain who loves to do unto others what was done to him. I’ve met people like this, who have a burning sense of resentment that they were treated unfairly. Even if their voice is cold, they’re clearly driven by anger. This sort of person makes sense. Hell, I could even imagine becoming like that.

Legato, on the other hand, makes people suffer in an almost emotionless, casual way. As far as he’s concerned, there’s nothing unfair to be angry about here, suffering is just the way things are.

So then, why bother hurting other people? Perhaps that’s why (he claims) he doesn’t usually bother.

-- Legato staring at his hand like it’s some new, fascinating species of insect, lol.

-- “I normally don’t interfere....it’s the way you look, Vash the Stampede.“ Huh? Vash’s facial expressions/mannerisms are so annoying they make you want to kill people and/or save kidnapped girls? OK...?

-- At least the next line, “Your very existence causes me irritation” makes sense.

-- This mass Gung Ho Guns attack seems like overkill. Legato had it under control.

-- “Ladykiller?” Are women really that masochistic? :/ (No, I get it, it’s the hair).

-- All but one Gung Ho Gun is here. Apparently there are rumors about this missing guy Chapel. Hm, wonder what they’ve heard. :3

-- “What’s wrong?” Haven’t you noticed there’s no people around? ::facepalm::

-- ...I guess the Roderick Thieves didn’t bury their brethren, after all.

-- Dominique the Cyclops is such an underrated character. Even if she’s the poster child for hubris. Her weird sense of honor...her perfect trenchcoat...her effortless cool...

-- “Call it a Spring cleaning of sorts...does that make you feel better?” Clearly not. Does it make her feel better?

-- Stupid button gag is stupid. Sometimes I forget this was made in 1998.

-- “I don’t want to hurt you.” Ugh, this part of Vash’s cornball persona is annoying. It’s in character that he’s still hoping to get out of a fight. I’ll just headcanon that he’s willing to be nice because she’s not crazy homicidal--she’s appealing to his sense of morality and wants a fair duel.

-- I’m enjoying watching Vash fight someone who can beat him in the areas where he’s used to having an advantage, so that he has to learn how to fight differently on the spot.

-- Vash mentally replaying a few key moments from the fight. Still not sure how he inferred her powers from those frames. I certainly couldn’t have. Vash spends so much time downplaying his intelligence that it’s easy to overlook, but I appreciate that he’s not a holy fool.

-- He blocks out her hypnotism by “focusing all senses only on pain.” Dominique’s not wrong to be stunned. It would probably take a normal human a lifetime of constant meditation practice for more than 3 seconds at a time to develop that level of control over his consciousness, at least. Keep this in mind when considering how he deals with life, compartmentalizes his feelings, etc.

Looks like this is the pain episode. Legato amuses himself and possibly exorcises some demons by killing people in horrifyingly painful ways, Vash survives and wins a fight by causing himself pain.

-- Really, Meryl? Every time I think she couldn’t be more oblivious, she reaches new heights.

-- Oh, Vash. If you want to scare your friends away, you can’t follow that up by going into goofy mode. It’s like the end of Abbey Road when the Beatles go from “The End,” a heartfelt goodbye that makes me cry every time, to a stupid rhyme, “Her Majesty.” It breaks the mood, diminishes the effect.

No wonder Meryl doesn’t listen to you.

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g4zdtechtv · 8 years ago

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@how2wrestling #27 - #How2DDP

On this edition of How2Wrestling, Kefin & Jo are gonna feel... the... BANG!!!

#How2Wrestling #wrestling #Diamond Dallas Page #WCW #WWE #OVW #HWA #TNA #Macho Man Randy Savage #Spring Stampede 1997 #Hollywood Hulk Hogan #Sting #Ric Flair #Spring Stampede 1998 #Christian #WrestleMania X8

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dalekofchaos · 6 years ago

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Eric Bischoff’s arrogance and stupidity in the Bret Hart 83 Weeks episode is astounding. That’s the best he felt he could use Bret Hart? Coming in as a special guest referee and just using him as Hogan’s sidekick and having more heel turns than Big Show. Bret Hart should have been booked as a face. Being hurt and screwed by the company he helped saved and wants revenge on Shawn Michael’s friends and finally getting his hands on Hogan. The amount of baby face momentum Bret Hart had going following Montreal easily could have been turned into success instead chose to waste Bret Hart. They had the hottest star coming out of a controversial finish and it eventually costed Bret Hart’s wrestling career. What they should’ve done is use Bret Hart for all he’s worth. Feud with Hogan, the NWO and the Four Horseman. Keep Bret Hart the face of WCW. Instead he had some lame feud with Ric Flair and turned heel and face more than Big Show. His WCW career went nowhere.

It’s very simple. Bring Bret in the Nitro after Montreal. Put Bret in the ring with a live mic and let him rip into Vince McMahon and Shawn Michaels. Bring up everything that happened, especially punching Vince’s lights out. Security comes to the ring to escort Bret out but he refuses to leave. Eric Bischoff comes out with a big smile on his face and tells security to back off. He’s loving every minute of everything Bret’s saying. Bischoff eventually welcomes Bret to the nWo. Bret shakes his hand, then decks him. The nWo hit the ring and Bret jumps the guardrail and escapes through the crowd. WCW should have given Bret the mic, let him cut a brutal shoot on Vince and Shawn, ending it by saying "Since I can't beat the shit out of Shawn Michaels I am gonna do the next best thing, hurt Shawn where it hurts, his friends" hinting at Bret gunning after Hall and Nash. It could be like Austin. If Bret was hurt from punching Vince, Bret could just be shooting non-stop and attacking from behind like Austin was when he was injured.

STARRCADE: Dec 28, 1997 Bret’s first big feud is logically against the nWo. He’s just come from a company run by a corrupt owner and a couple of degenerates with too much backstage political power, so when he sees Bischoff, Hogan, Hall, and Nash all he can see is Vince, Shawn and Helmsley. It’s too early for Bret to face Hogan for the title, besides Hogan is facing Sting on this night in one of the best built feuds in wrestling history, but Hall and Nash make perfect sense. Hall and Nash were Shawns real life best friends, so it only makes sense for Bret to specifically target them as they could make the feud that much more personal by bringing their friendship with Shawn into things. Neither Hall nor Nash were even used at Starrcade 97 which is itself a mystery so they were both available to face Bret.

So at Starrcade its Bret Hart vs Kevin Nash. Bret’s first match is against Shawn Michaels real life best friend Kevin Nash. I believe this is the most logical way to start Bret’s run in WCW. Bret wins via DQ when Hall interferes just as Nash is about to tap to the sharpshooter. Bret wins his first big match in WCW but Hall and Nash get the last laugh double teaming Bret and leaving him laying in the ring with nWo spraypainted on his back.

nWo SOULED OUT: January 24, 1998 After defeating Nash, Bret moves on to the other outsider and former Kliq member: Scott Hall. Bret Hart def Scott Hall After the match Nash arrives and the Outsiders doubleteam Bret. But this time Bret has come prepared. Bulldog and Anvil jump the guardrail to make the save in their WCW debut.

SUPERBRAWL: February 22, 1998 Hollywood Hogan vs Bret Hart After Hogan drops the belt to Sting at Starcade he gets his rematch at nWo Souled out but loses, this means Sting can face some fresh faces for the title and Hogan can move on to feuding with Bret. After beating both of Hogan’s flunkies at the previous two ppv’s, Bret wants to get his hands on the man who’s avoided him for years: Hulk Hogan.

For the first few weeks of the build to this event Hogan doesn’t accept Bret’s challenge as he wants Sting one more time for the title. Hogan feels Bret is beneath him and he has nothing to gain by facing him. But when it’s announced that if Hogan were to win the match he’d get another shot at Sting, then Hogan agrees to the match.

At the ppv, I have Hogan getting the win here when Bischoff comes down and, ala Vince McMahon at Survivor Series, rings the bell when Hogan puts Bret in the sharpshooter. Referee Nick Patrick calls for the bell and the match ends in a Survivor Series screwjob much to the delight of Hogan and Bischoff. After the match, the entire nWo beat down Bret. Anvil and Bulldog show up but they are greatly outnumbered. All the Harts are spraypainted in nWo letters to close out the show.

UNCENSORED: March 15 1998 Bret Hart def Curt Hennig This is what actually happened at this event and I wouldn’t change it. It furthers Bret’s war against the nWo and these two were always capable of putting on a great match. Bret gets the win and starts his climb back up the ladder in hopes of getting a fair shot against Hogan in a rematch.

Speaking of Hogan, he gets his one final match against Sting in a cage match to settle their feud. Sting wins thus bringing their rivalry to a close.

SPRING STAMPEDE: April 19, 1998 Live! From Calgary Alberta Canada: Home of Stampede Wrestling 1998’s Spring Stampede would have been the perfect time for WCW to make a big impression on Canadian wrestling fans. At this point WCW was still number one in the United States, but it was never able to surpass the WWF in popularity in Canada. That was one of the reasons why WCW wanted Bret as they wanted to make headway in the Canadian market. So why on earth not schedule a ppv or NItro in Canada every once in a while?? Bret’s career began in Stampede Wrestling in Calgary, so why not hold the 1998 edition of Spring Stampede in the former home of Stampede Wrestling and Bret’s hometown of Calgary.

Bret knows Hogan has an army watching his back which is why he’s going to need more than just his two family members Jim and Davey Boy watching his back. So two former Stampede Wrestling Alumni decide to align themselves with Bret in his war against the nWo: Chris Benoit and Chris Jericho. Together the 5 man tandom is known as The Hart Dungeon. WWF would undoubtedly have a copyright on Hart Foundation, but The Hart Dungeon was never a creation of Vince McMahon but rather the training grounds for all 5 members of the group.

During a Nitro beatdown of Bret during the build to Stampede, Benoit and Jericho hit the ring and come to Bret’s aid officially joining the group. Jericho is very similar to Owen in style, while Benoit has Pillman’s intensity making them the perfect replacements for the two Hart Foundation members that didn’t make the transition to WCW with Bret. This also would have catapulted Jericho and Benoit into a main event program and injected some youth and freshness into Brets stable.

At Spring Stampede it’s The Hart Dungeon vs The Nwo Bret, Benoit, Jericho, Bulldog, Anvil def Hogan, Hall, Nash, Savage, Hennig.

Not sure who gets the pinfall over who, I would go for Bret pinning Hogan but I’m sure Hogan would never go for it. Either way the Harts pin someone to get the win and maybe, just maybe, this marks the beginning of WCW surpassing WWF in popularity in Canada and taking a stranglehold on the north american television market.

Slamboree: May 17, 1998 World Title Submission Match: Bret Hart vs Sting After winning the war against the nWo, Bret sets his sights on the World title and Sting in a battle of the sharpshooter vs the scorpion deathlock. At this point Sting has a had nice long run with the belt from Starcade in December to Slamboree in May, and along the way defended the title succesfully against Hogan 3x, The Giant, and maybe Savage. But now it’s time for him to drop the belt to Bret.

Bret gets the win here in what could have and should have been a classic match between two of the all time great babyfaces.

GREAT AMERICAN BASH: June 14, 1998 After beating Sting for the title fair and square, Bret and company kickoff Nitro the next night but are interrupted by none other than Ric Flair. Flair congratulates Bret on not only beating Sting, taking on the nWo, winning the world title, but also doing something he didnt think was possible which is winning over the American fans who seem to have forgotten some of the things Bret said in public about them and this great country of ours. Flair calls Bret a fraud and Benoit a traitor for leaving the Horseman for the poor imitation that is the Dungeon.

Flair is joined in the ring by Arn Anderson and Dean Malenko his fellow Horsemen, as well as the newest Horsemen: Lex Luger. With Benoit gone, and Mongo McMichael a joke that never should have happened, the horsemen need a fourth guy and Luger makes a lot more sense in this WCW traditional stable then he ever did in the nWo. Plus he knows Bret and Bulldog well from his time in WWF.

After beating the nWo the Harts have now entered a feud with the Four Horseman. During the build to the ppv different members of the group face off against one another But Sting is still owed a rematch and has his own history with Ric Flair.

So at The Great American Bash it’s Bret vs Flair vs Sting in a triple threat submission match for the World Title. Bret comes out on top making Flair tap to the sharpshooter after blocking and reversing a figure four attempt by Ric. Post match: Hogan, Hall and Nash beat down all 3 guys. The nWo had been off tv licking their wounds for a while but were now back for revenge. So after two months of WCW stars battling each other, they will have to put aside those differences and once again focus on their common enemy in the nWo.

BASH AT THE BEACH: July 12, 1998 WORLD TITLE: Bret Hitman Hart vs Hollywood Hogan Hogan holds a controversial victory over Bret from back at Superbrawl meaning he is owed a title shot against the new champion. This was the event in which 2 years to the day the nWo was formed and Hogan plans on history repeating itself by reclaiming the title and his spot at the top of the mountain.

In reality Hogan lost the title on Nitro to Goldberg during this period which was a huge ratings success at the time but another example of WCW’s short term booking philosophy. Goldberg would burn out quickly and a huge potential ppv buyrate was squandered. So I would have saved that moment for later on in the year which we we will get to later. For now it’s Bret vs Hogan. This time, no Bischoff shenanigans, just a straight up Bret victory.

ROAD WILD: August 8, 1998 World Title: Bret Hart def Randy Savage We never got to see a well built up program between the Hitman and The Macho Man. After Hogan fails to get the job done, Macho steps up to the plate to do what Hogan couldn’t do and thats get the best of the supposed best their is. This would not be the main event of the show, but it would make for a good title match in the middle of the card perhaps as part of a double main event billing. Bret gets the win.

FALL BRAWL: WAR GAMES: September 13, 1998 The NWO vs The Hart Dungeon vs The Four Horseman nWo: Hogan, Hall, Nash, Savage Hart Dungeon: Bret, Benoit, Jericho, Bulldog 4 Horseman: Flair, Anderson, Malenko, Luger

In reality, they did have three teams competing in the War Games that year but 2 of them were nWo groups: nwo Hollywood and nwo Wolfpack. I never liked them splitting the nWo into two factions as it only dilluted the group. If the nWo was losing steam, then simply take them off TV for a while as I would have done sometime after Spring Stampede but then bring them back for Bash At The Beach. Here I still have three factions in the war games but instead of 2 nWo’s and a generic team WCW, we have three legit stables: the original nWo, The Harts and The Horseman.

NWO get the win as they are the dominant stable of this time.

HALLOWEEN HAVOC: October 25, 1998 In realty this was the event that saw the horrific Hogan vs Warrior II, a match that only took place because Hulk was still insecure over being pinned cleanly by Warrior EIGHT fricking years ago. This feud was embarrasingly bad and Warrior would have been better off having never appeared in WCW. Therefore in my timeline this simply doesn’t happen.

After Hogan’s team won the War Games that puts him back into #1 contendership for the title. Since we had three stables facing off at War Games I think it only makes sense to have the three stable leaders face off at the next event.

So we have a triple threat for the World Title between Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart and Ric Flair which results in a controversial finish. Ric Flair has Hogan in the figure four when Bret pins flair. The ref counts 3 at the exact same time Hogan taps out. So who is the champion? We end the show with Bret and Flair arguing over who won while Bischoff grabs the belt and runs off with Hogan.

WORLD WAR 3: November 22, 1998 The title is declared vacant on Nitro but will be awarded to the winner of a 6 man match at World War 3. The participants are Bret Hart, Ric Flair, Hollywood Hogan, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, and Sting. 3 nwo members. 3 wcw members. And 3 rings. Remember this is the often maligned 3 ring pay per view featuring the 60 man battle royal. I would never hold the title up for grabs in a 60 man battle royal as there arent that many men who deserve a shot. We dont want La Parka walking out champion. BUT I like the idea of incorporating the 3 rings for this 6 man match.

Here’s how it works: There are 3 matches going on at once in 3 different rings. In one ring its Bret Hart vs Kevin Nash. In another ring its Hogan vs Flair. And in the final ring it’s Sting vs Scott Hall. Three different matches going on simulataneously with the title being awarded to the first man who gains a fall. The only rule is that you can’t enter any of the other rings. Meaning Bret can’t jump to ring two to interrupt a pin attempt by Hogan, etc. You have to beat your opponent before anyone in either of the other rings does the same. This is a concept that’s never been done so I like it.

The finish: Bret has Nash in the sharshooter in one ring. Sting has Hall in the scorpion deathlock in the other ring. Neither will tap out. Meanwhile in ring 3 an exhausted Hogan drapes his arm over a down and out Flair and gets the pin to win the gold. Bret and Sting both come so close but Hogan walks out champion…barely.

At this same event GOLDBERG wins the 60 man battle royal to earn a shot at the champion.

STARRCADE: December 27, 1998 Live From Atlanta Georgia in the sold out Georgia Dome World Title: Hollywood Hogan vs Goldberg Everything that happened on that famous Nitro in July of 98 could have and SHOULD have been saved for Starrcade. The ppv buyrate would have been sky high and probably set an all time attendance record for any WCW show and maybe even any WWF show at the time.

As for Bret, it’s time for some descension in the dungeon. After failing to win the title, the hart dungeon disbands. At this point I would have already phased Bulldog and Anvil out sometime after Fall Brawl. Just have Bret, Benoit and Jericho. But now after Bret’s loss, Jericho gets in his face and mocks him, perhaps even says that WCW would have been better off if it had been Shawn Michaels who came over to WCW instead of Bret. That he only used Bret as a stepping stone to get to the top because he wasn’t being given the opportunity and spotlight that he deserved. But now that Bret is a failure, Jericho has no use for him. Jericho kicks Bret between the legs and poses with one foot on Brets chest and his arms raised and a big grin on his face. The evil Jericho is back.

During the buildup to their feud Jericho continues mocking Bret by dressing like him, adopting his mannerisms, wearing his trademark pink shades and using the sharshooter from time to time.

Starrcade: Chris Jericho def Bret Hart: liontamer vs sharpshooter Bret puts Jericho over. It doesn’t have to be a submission match but it’s too tempting to resist. I would have Jericho knock Bret out with the ring bell or a steel chair while the ref is looking the other way, then apply the liontamer to an unconscious Bret. The ref calls for the bell. Bret never taps, he just passes out. Bret is written off tv to sell an injury for the next month or so.

As we enter 1999, Benoit takes exception to Jericho’s disrespecting Bret and they enter a feud of their own in early 1999. When Bret returns he faces Jericho in a rematch and then enters a program with Benoit. He and Benoit meet in a face vs face best of 7 series with Benoit coming out on top 4 wins to 3. In other words, during the first half of 99 Bret spends most of his time helping the next generation of canadian wrestlers get over. Even though he comes out on the losing end of both feuds, he never looks weak and is still a viable world title contender. Although I might keep him away from Goldberg. Just to be on the safe side.

#WCW #WWE #Bret Hart #Eric Bischoff #83 Weeks

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realdashfire · 2 years ago

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WWE 2K22 - Fantasy PPV Rematch - WCW Spring Stampede 1998

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soontobenamednetwork · 4 years ago

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starbug · 8 years ago

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WCW United States Championship: Diamond Dallas Page © vs. Raven April 19th, 1998 - WCW Spring Stampede, Denver Coliseum, Denver, CO

#WCW #Diamond Dallas Page #DDP #Raven #Spring Stampede #wrestling #Spring Stampede 98 #1998 #90s

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attractdistract · 7 years ago

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WWF Wrestlemania 4 - Randy Savage wins his first WWF world title, Hulk Hogan comes out to celebrate as if it were him who won and won’t leave the ring. Savage is later forced to turn heel so Hogan can win the title from him at Wrestlemania 5.

WWF Wrestlemania 8 - Savage wins the WWF title halfway through the show, because Hogan didn’t want to wrestle Ric Flair. this is the only time Savage gets to celebrate properly.

WCW World War 3 (1995) - Savage wins his first WCW title, again Hogan comes out to celebrate as if it were him who won and won’t leave the ring.

WCW Monday Nitro (January 22, 1996) - Hogan celebrates and won’t leave the ring after Savage wins back the WCW title.

WCW Spring Stampede (1998) - Savage wins the WCW title, for purpose of dropping the belt to Hogan 24 hours later on Nitro.

WCW Bash at the Beach (1999) - Savage wins the WCW title, for purpose of dropping the belt to Hogan 24 hours later on Nitro. Again. this was Randy Savage’s final world title reign.

every time Macho Man ever held the world championship, Hulk Hogan found a way to insert himself and make things about him.

#osw review #hulk hogan with the high level scumbag tactics

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84reedsy · 11 months ago

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Maybe I missed it, but how tf were these two never shipped??

Also, Steiner was so bubbly that it freaked me out. I wonder if they could have even kissed without their tits getting the in way.

#Reedsy watches wcw #wcw #Big poppa pump #buff bagwell #puffy boys #Spring Stampede 1998 #They look ....bouncy

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abs0luteb4stard · 6 years ago

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The wrestlers know the deal going into wrestling that there's no healthcare. It's not a surprise they spring on you the night before your debut.

TNA/Impact wrestling, AAA in Mexico, WCW, Stu Hart's Stampede Wrestling, FMW, ECW (laughable Paul Heyman barely paid them on time or bounced checks), NJPW, NWA, AJPW, AWA, NOAH, on and on. The biggest companies in their respective countries don't offer healthcare but somehow it's Vince McMahon's fault?

John Oliver doesn't know enough about wrestling to drag anyone. Where was Ted Turner's healthcare for wrestlers? He was and is worth more than WWE is in the 80s and 90s and today. WCW paid Bret Hart 50 million dollars to jump ship from WWF. And then they put him in the ring with Goldberg who was super green and who was notoriously stiff as ill timed as a performer causing him a severe concussion ending his career, that same brain damage is what lead to his stroke 4-5 years later. Nobody is chasing down Turner for pass-due medical.

Wrestlers in the 70s and 80s (and earlier) in NWA wrestled hurt because the organization they worked for would put someone else in their spot, so to not liar their spot they worked with broken bones, broken backs, vertebrae. Ric Flair wrestled with a broken back that fused itself which is why he takes bumps like someone threw a piece of wood at a tree Jim Crockett promotions or Verne Gange, I forget which. Go chase down their estates for all those wrestlers.

But yeah John Oliver dragged him good. Vince has taken the same bumps that he's asked his guys to take. Cut his head open for effect like they do - to bleed. Etc etc

When Mick Foley made the call on top of the Cell in 1998 to be thrown off by Undertaker, because taker has broken foot and they couldn't put on the match they wanted they decided to make it look good by doing wild stuff.

After that match Vince told Mick Foley "I appreciate everything you do for this company, but don't ever do that again."

He's never asked anyone to do anything he wouldn't do himself. That's better than every wrestling promoter in the history of wrestling period. If you think for some convoluted reason Vince is a bad guy, The promoters of old were goddamn sending their wrestlers through a slaughter house.

And he's set up rehab programs for wrestlers, he's even offered to wrestlers that were currently with the competition. TNA doesn't do that. They spent 6 figures on putting Scott Hall in rehab despite him always bailing out early, more than any other wrestler that they put into rehab. It wasn't until DDP took a more drastic approach and had Scott move in with him that he got sober.

Vince has a mobile medical center on the road with them. They have a medical staff.

John Oliver's information is shallow and skewed to present a grimmer look on WWE than there is. To make his audience gasp.

Tennis, Golf, don't give insurance, and just because NHL & NBA have various policies, not all leagues do. And NFL won't offer anything to their old aging hall of famers who are probably in worse shape than old wrestlers are because they actually head to head concussive blows to the head every game. And they don't give them any shares of league revenue either.

WWE & Vince have many old wrestlers on Legends Contracts for various merchandise and videogames, he also makes Legends contract deals with their estates/families.

He's also had Legends deals with wrestlers who worked in TNA/Impact or elsewhere at the time like Ric Flair for example.

WCW screwed wrestlers on T-shirts and merch because they had guaranteed money contracts.

Vince always gave wrestlers 3-7% of their merch always, there's talk that Stone Cold may have been making 20% on merch from 1998-2004. I think it was Trish Stratus who also made 20%. Rey Mysterio also made a big 15-20% merch money.

WWE has "downside guarantee" which what they're paid regardless how the revenue goes for the company all year. On top of that they get money for house shows, TV, and if you're in the top spots on a big PPV like Wrestlemania they'd get 5 figure bonuses.

They get royalties off of WWE Network now. They get some DVD sales, and top card guys or tag groups get specific dvds for them so they get those separate royalties like say Undertaker or Hardy Boys.

Now before you come try to drag me, I think WWE should have insurance, especially for the lower tier talent on the card, they're making somewhere in $70-100 thousand dollars downside guaranteed money for the year, they can't afford to get hurt, they'll lose their spot if they're out a few months, WWE will take care of them if they were hurt in the ring. But they have to buy their own outside insurance. The top talent can afford it, like Randy Orton, Seth Rollins, or Cena or whoever.

But there's little to no outcry from any wrestlers in any other organization big or small about wanting insurance. Nobody in Japan or Mexico, Almost no former wrestlers even the ones on bad terms with WWE. Ave wrestlers who are big elsewhere and never worked WWE don't say anything either. It's not some conspiracy. They're just aware of the pitfalls and possibilities of the business they got involved in.

Jesse Ventura is really the only one, and he still gets his royalty checks too. Ventura started it first, he's the icon in this conversation. He wanted a unionized locker room, medical, but Hulk Hogan went and stamped that out.

One thing is for sure Hogan is a piece of awful creep even long before everyone took notice after his racist comments. I knew this. His use of the n-word is a small piece of the puzzle, he's held down wrestlers with politicking, with his creative control contract clause in WCW. He sold himself and Eric Bischoff to that naive fool Dixie Carter, that they were the creative brain storm reason WCW beat WWE for 84 weeks. They even convinced her to go live head-to-head with WWE RAW and lose the unique 6-sided ring. Impact's ratings fell so hard that they had to resume taped Thursday shows within the month. Hogan's contract in TNA/Impact was what destabilized the company's paying of other wrestlers. He was making more money than TNA's top guys like Samoa Joe & AJ Styles for doing nothing but brainstorming ideas and playing the on-air GM. To the point that even after Hogan/Bischoff left Impact, Dixie Carter who had been using her father's money to bankroll TNA, her mother took control of the money and bottle necked payments to where talent wasn't getting paid. Which is why everyone abandoned ship and went to work for Jeff Jarrett's GFW and New Japan.

So Hogan is probably more of the villain than Vince.

AND do you think that the wrestlers are going to be willing to take home a smaller downside guarantee with no upside frills on their contract because that will be going into company health insurance instead?

So John Oliver is talking about stuff he had little research or knowledge on. He's taking a shot at WWE because Wrestlemania is this month and it'll get him extra press and get people talking, he's not doing it for the wrestlers betterment or to help them get insurance, it's about getting people to buzz about his show.

The way that John Oliver sat there for 23 minutes and told millions of people how fucking awesome pro wrestling is while simultaneously dragging Vince McMahon straight to hell?

Honestly? An Icon, A Legend

#last week with john oliver #wwe #john oliver #vince mcmahon #last week tonight #don't talk wrestling if you don't know what's going on.#don't be a mark for a media guy who doesn't know the first thing about wrestling

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thealhijaztours-blog · 6 years ago

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Cheap Umrah Packages 2019

More than 2m Muslims square measure presently gathering in Mecca prior the annual pillar of Islam that begins on August nineteen. As long as they ‘rematch and financially in a position, the pilgrim's journey is AN obligatory act of worship that followers of Islam owe to God once in their period. Reenacting the faith-testing ordeals of patriarch (Abraham, the Biblical founding father of monotheism) and his family, Muslims believe that AN “accepted Hajj” can cleanse them of all their sins. Their hope is to come home as pure because the day they were born. But till the introduction of recent transport systems, most Muslims on the far side the Arab world had very little expectation of finishing this fifth and final pillar of Islam. Before the mid-1950s, the quantity of overseas pilgrims seldom exceeded a hundred, 000 and fashionable Saudi establishments were still developing. Umrah Packages However by the first 2000s, the whole range of pillar of Islam pilgrims had passed the 2m mark, reaching a recent peak of simply over 3m in 2012. New opportunities for pilgrim's journey within the jet age have place huge pressure on the infrastructure of Mecca. a whole lot have lost their lives throughout periodic disasters together with fires and stampedes, last in 2015. without doubt, the Saudi authorities have endowed vast sums in regularly seeking to enhance facilities and also the overall management of the pillar of Islam. pillar of Islam organizers and guides I actually have interviewed compare overseeing the pilgrim's journey to hosting the Olympiad per annum. But the kingdom’s Vision 2030, revealed by prince Selman in 2016, underlines that the Moslem commercial enterprise market includes a vital role to play in diversifying Saudi Arabia’s non-oil-based economy. Whereas the strategy is concentrated primarily on the Umrah (the year-round , non-obligatory minor pilgrimage), US$50 billion investment in new transport and different infrastructure conjointly aims to double the dimensions of the pillar of Islam by the top of successive decade. A look at Hajj-going among British Muslims in AN age of economic process underlines the growing role of the marketplace for spiritual commercial enterprise in shaping the organization of the pilgrim's journey. At A trade event I attended earlier this year, The Council of British Hajjis recommended that this niche sector of the united kingdom economy is value around £150m (£310m together with Umrah). Unlike all Muslim-majority nations, Muslim minorities within the West aren't restricted to a pillar of Islam quota of one, 000 pilgrims per million of population. Comparatively prosperous, literate and more and more socially mobile, they're typically absolve to perform the pilgrim's journey at a time of their selecting. Pilgrims within the West are usually younger than those within the remainder of the Muslim world. the quantity of British Muslims performing arts pillar of Islam every year rose from 759 in 1968 to around twenty five,000 by the mid-2000s – regarding double the speed of UK Muslim increment for a similar amount. About 100,000 currently go annually for Umrah. In the West, lay governments play no direct role in organizing pillar of Islam. Till the Nineties, there have been conjointly simply a number of firms formally arrangement Muslim pilgrimages in GB. So, most UK Muslims cosmopolitan to Asian country as people or as a part of little community cluster. however throughout the first 2000s, in a very bid to enhance services to pilgrims, the Saudi authorities insisted that anyone organizing pillar of Islam ought to kind a registered company and be properly authorized. By the mid-2000s, they conjointly created shopping for a “package” from one amongst these organizers the sole approach for Muslims within the West to perform pillar of Islam. Rising costs today there square measure around 117 UK pillar of Islam organizers authorized by Asian country. Every is accountable for their own annual quota of 150-450 pillar of Islam pilgrim visas. British Muslims currently have lots of alternative in terms of package choices. however UK pilgrims eager to perform pillar of Islam in 2018 in all probability spent the maximum amount as £5-6,000 on their package. At AN trade event last spring, i used to be told that a high company commercialism [*fr1] their packages for £9,500 per person sold move into six weeks. Even AN “economy” pillar of Islam this year value quite £4,000. Overall, the price of Hajj-going has exaggerated by around 25%in recent years. Long-established pilgrim welfare charities like the Association of British Hujjaj (established 1998) complain that top costs mirror UK organizers’ profiteering. however the larger image is that the restructured pillar of Islam trade in Asian country is more and more privatized and commercial. The 2-3m Muslims inward to the town of Mecca for one key week within the calendar produce a large demand for travel, accommodation and different services. And for all its investments in pilgrim's journey infrastructure, the Saudi government doesn't management the rating of flights, rents then on. Sure native subsidies square measure being reduced and Saudi VAT and municipality taxes have exaggerated recently, too.

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Fire Pro Roster Recap #3 : Thunder Pro Wrestling Retsuden

Figured I’d knock this one out since it seemingly has the smallest roster of the console releases for this series. This one is probably one of the last ones I would recommend because it’s rough and earlier edition of Fire Pro. While on the SNES the series became more polished and pretty much perfected the formula by the last few iterations on SNES. This would be the only Fire Pro game on the Sega Genesis and because of that is fairly unpolished and as said above has a small 12 man roster.

Since most of these were also featured in the first game of the series I will be copying the bios over and will designate those entries with an asterisk which will make future entries easier because I already have a real life photo of them and a written bio.

Akira Maeda (*) : A wrestler who worked for many companies and is credited with being one of the pioneers of the shoot style. He worked for NJPW, Japan UWF(Which he co-created and was a promoter for) and he was even featured on World of Sports working for all 3 of those companies in the 80′s before 1991 rolled around Akira Maeda would found the wrestling promotion Rings, that would later shift focus in 1995 and become an MMA promotion.

Antonio Inoki (*) : Oh boy! Inoki, how can I sum up such a massive and important career in a paragraph? Truth be told I can’t for him or any of these men, but here we go. Inoki is one of the most important wrestlers ever and is credited with the invention of the enzuigiri. When Inoki started down the wrestling path he train with Karl Gotch in old school catch wrestling. Inoki would name his own style of wrestling ‘Strong Style’ which is still used today by many Japanese talents.

Inoki is also credited as being a forefather of the modern MMA boom. Inoki use to fight people from around the world who all were trained in different fighting arts. Many of his fights were scripted, but still showed the world was interested in that kind of competition. Also, he fought Ric Flair in North Korea which drew 150,000 and 190,000 people for the two day event and is still the biggest wrestling show in recorded history.

I could go on for ages about Inoki as he has a long intriguing history. He ontop of the above listed things also was : founder of NJPW in 1972 which came about after Rikidozan’s(The original Japanese Wrestler/Promoter) Japanese Wrestling Association went defunct having NJPW/AJPW spring up in it’s place. Inoki owned NJPW out right until he sold the company to Yuke’s in 2005. Inoki is also a politician in his home country of Japan where he was elected to positions twice. That’s all for Inoki, if you want to know more feel free to look him up. I’d be surprised if there wasn’t books about the man who has a huge legacy.

Bam Bam Bigelow : Bam Bam first worked smaller promotions before working for WWF in the mid 80′s before going to NJPW from 1989-1992 where he would form a dominant tag team with Vader, the two even capturing the IWGP Tag Titles. After his stint in NJPW he would go on to work for all 3 of the major US Promotions in the 90′s WWF, WCW and ECW. Most notably headlining WM XI versus linebacker Lawrence Taylor in what may be the highest profile match to ever include a non-wrestler. He was also a main event talent in ECW helping lend credibility to the 3rd player in the United States wrestling scene.

Genichiro Tenryu (*) : Genichiro like many wrestlers actually started in a different Martial Art. Sumo, which is of course very popular in Japan. Tenryu started his sumo training at the young age of 13 and would continue down that path for another 13 years before shifting his focus to the Puroresu ring. He would then be scouted by Giant Baba of AJPW. Tenryu would be sent over to Texas where he was trained by Dory Funk Jr and Terry Funk. In the early 80′s Tenryu would team with Jumbo Tsuruta collectively called “Kakuryu” (鶴 = kaku = tsuru (the “tsuru” in Tsuruta) + 龍 = ryū in Tenryū).

Tenryu would go on to become one of the most decorated players in AJPW history. The Tokyo Sports awards, a non partisan award for japanese wrestling achievements would give Tenryu Best bout/MOTY award an astonishing 9 times and call him MVP of the year 4 different times.

Hulk Hogan : A man who doesn’t need an introduction or an explanation, but just in case you’ve had the 80′s erased from your memory. Hulk Hogan is easily considered the biggest draw in the 1980′s wrestling scene. Main eventing several Wrestlemania’s, the only wrestlers of the 80′s who can rival him in North America would have to be Ric Flair. He would go on to reinvent himself in the mid 90′s and become a focus of WCW programming when he was the 3rd man in the stable NWO.

Jumbo Tsuruta (*) : Another huge star for AJPW through the 80′s. Jumbo as mentioned above was a stellar tag team with Tenryu. He also had 7 MOTY’s from Tokyo sports and captured nearly anything of note in AJPW. He would sadly die in the year 2000 after complications from a kidney transplant, just short a year after his retirement in 1999. Though he hadn’t been in serious competition most of the 1990′s where he mostly worked 6 man tag matches that were comedic in tone.

Jushin Thunder Liger : Arguably the greatest Cruiserweight/Junior Heavyweight of all time. Jushin Thunder Liger has done almost anything you can name. While he never worked in AJPW, he had done pretty much everything you can in NJPW including being one of two men who have won BOSJ on 3 separate occasions. He also worked in several North American companies : TNA, CMLL, WCW and most recently a one off match in NXT in 2015. In the early 1990′s he was one of the most beloved wrestlers by WoN who voted him best Technical/Best High Flyer/Most Outstanding All 3, 3 years in a row. 1990-1992. You’d have a hard time finding many more wrestlers more decorated than Liger.

Kensuke Sasaki : A mega star of Japan who started in the business in 1986, before taking an international excursion which is common for young guys stars of NJPW to do as a way of gaining skills outside the Japanese ecosystem. When he returned to Japan in the early 90′s he formed a popular tag team with fellow wrestler Hiroshi Hase the two having a great series of matches with the Steiner Brothers who were in Japan and worked with NJPW through WCW as well. Kensuke is one of two men to ever hold all three major Japanese Heavyweight titles : IWGP(NJPW), Triple Crown(AJPW) and GHC(NOAH). He also founded his own promotion Diamond Ring which he ran from 2005-2014 when it closed it’s doors. Sasaki has retired, his last match was in DDT in 2015 though his official retirement happened before that.

Riki Choshu (*) : Riki Choshu innovated a move that would define early 90′s wrestling in the states and most don’t even know it. That move being The Sharpshooter or as Riki Choshu called it : Sasori-gatame.

Riki Choshu is also credited as being the first ever traitor heel in Japan. Turning on his friend Fujinami after being snubbed for the inaugural tournament for the IWGP Heavyweight championship in 1983. Riki Choshu is also one of the few people to do a clean sweep of the G1 Climax where he won every match in the tournament he had.

In 1998 Riki Choshu would retire, his final card he wrestled 5 matches in one night and won 4 of them. After his retirement he would focus more as a booker at NJPW where he spent most of his career. He has moved a decent amount post 2000 and even had a deathmatch in FMW shortly after his retirement. He has wrestled sparingly in the years since, but not full time.

Stan Hansen (*) : You can’t talk gaijin(Japanese for Foreigner) and not mention Stan Hansen. The cream of the crop when it comes to American assholes in Japan. The man’s career started with a very good case of ‘turning Lemons into Lemonade’ when he accidently broke Bruno Sammartino’s neck via a botched powerslam. The bookers and Hansen rolled with it and instead claimed the break came at the end of one of Stan Hansen’s destructive lariats.

Stan Hansen would leave WWF shortly after that and have a brief run in NJPW where he participated in the first ever G1 Tag League with his partner Hulk Hogan.

He would move over to AJPW where he would make his name winning anything he could get his hands on. He also was awarded MOTY 3 times by Tokyo sports vs great talents Kawada, Giant Baba and Tenryu. He would also win Most Outstanding Foreigner in 1982 and most popular wrestler in 1980. He by no means invented the lariat, but many credit him with it’s incredible popularity in Japan.

Super Strong Machine : Super Strong Machine is an old school 80′s talent who is most known as a tag team competitor having 3 reigns with the IWGP Tag Titles. He had an excursion like many NJPW talents where he played a native character in Stampede wrestling named Sonny Two Rivers in 83/84, before coming back to NJPW where he wrestled mostly as Super Strong Machine though in various points in his career he wrestled without a mask as just Junji Hirata his real name. He still works in NJPW as a trainer, his last match was in 2014 and most of the 2000′s he worked in tag/trio matches. I did a spotlight on him which you can find here.

Big Van Vader : If Stan Hansen isn’t the most important and over villainous gaijin in NJPW. Starting in AWA in the mid 80′s, his career didn’t really take off until he made his way to Japan in 1988 when he pulled a MitB, Inoki had already had a grueling match with Riki Choshu, but Vader appeared and challenged Inoki, who accepted and was quickly slain by Vader. The pro-Inoki crowd went crazy and rioted which got NJPW banned from the Sumo Hall that had been their home arena for a year or so.

From this giant debut Vader would go on to become the first ever gaijin/foreigner to win the IWGP Heavyweight championship. He would also win the tag titles with Bam Bam Bigelow in the same time period of the early 90′s. Vader would also have famously one of the most stiff brawls ever when he and Stan Hansen collided as the two big monsters of AJPW/NJPW at a crossover show.

He would have success in WCW after this and have a less than memorable run in WWF, the less said about that the better. He would come back to Japan working in both NJPW and NOAH. He retired in 2006 before coming back in 2011 where he has wrestled sporadically every year since.

How’s it play? Awful, the first few SNES games are this unpolished, but have larger rosters. The latter half of the SNES Fire Pro games are polished and have bigger rosters and even the first game on TurboGrafx-16 had 16 people on the roster.

The thin roster, unpolished gameplay and look leave this as perhaps the weakest entry on any console. While oftentimes Fire Pro is the best option for a wrestling game on any given system, I don’t think that’s the case with this Sega Genesis/Mega Drive entry in the series which is the only Fire Pro game for the system compared to the 6+ on the SNES the last 2-3 of which are great.

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