#Spider doesn't get kidnapped and Jake wants to know what his boys were thinking

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Avatar: the Way of Water

Jake: I hope you two have an explanation for this.

Spider: We have three actually.

Lo’ak: Pick your favorite.

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Your avatar!grace headcanons made my heart so happy ugh I miss her and wish she could be part of the story still. She’d use Jakes kids to bully him constantly I just know it. When you mentioned the part about Grace knowing Spider is stressed because Quaritch is trying to get him back do you have any headcanons for if Quaritch kidnapped him like in the movie?

I feel like the moment Spider was taken she would realize there was no way to get him back and it would kill her inside and she’d feel mass amounts of guilt about not being fast enough or strong enough to get him.

Also do you think she’d be more like Jake or Neytiri when it came to the decision of leaving the forest? I imagine she’d be a mix of both especially because she has Kiri still to protect but Spider was taken so she wouldn’t want to leave him behind but she knows she has to protect the child she still has right in front of her.

My angst meter is going off. Thank you so much for asking me this so I have an excuse to write angst 😭 click "read more/keep reading" for angst!

Grace wasn't spiritual before Eywa saved her, but she is now (still likes science and wants to understand Pandora in a scientific way) and Kiri inherited that from her (so Kiri still has that connection to Eywa as we see in the film). Grace understands that she won't be able to get the answers she wants out of studying the flora and fauna of the world. She knows that some things will remain a mystery, and I would like to believe Mo'at would be the one to tell her, "Eywa sometimes does not provide the answers. She is mischievous as well as merciful. She wants to keep you guessing, hungry, for more answers."

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that when Spider is captured by Quaritch, Grace feels helpless. She's not a warrior, so she couldn't do anything to stop her adopted son from being taken. The only thing she can do is pray. Pray to Eywa.

"Please protect him. Protect my boy. You may not be able to sense Quaritch in his new body, but you can sense Spider. I know you can. Protect him, please, if you are all powerful. He is more your child than either Jake or me. Spider was born here, raised here, and loves everything you have given him and expects nothing in return. He is more Na'vi than me, but he's forever cursed in the body he was given. Just-- please keep him safe. And if you have any influence over Quaritch, give him a gentle soul. At least make sure that the sonovabitch treats his son gently. If he is to be his father from here on out, please help him See Spider through my eyes."

She doesn't want to leave the forest. She tells Jake as such, "We can do good here. We can make our stand HERE. We can help find my son HERE."

Technically, Jake can't force her to go with. Since she's alive, he never adopted Kiri. But she grew up alongside his kids. She was raised beside Neteyam, Lo'ak, and Tuk like they were her siblings. So was Spider. Jake wants them all to stick together. "Sullys stick together."

That card doesn't work on Grace, so he takes a different approach. He plays the Sylwanin card. He plays the Hometree card and Tsu'tey card. Grace's attachment to those lost souls is what tugs at her heart strings. Jake knows that Grace blames the humans for the deaths of her brightest students, children she misses dearly. Jake reasons with her. He says that all of that will happen again if they stay. If the Sky People come after them, then the Omaitkaya will die. Anyone who harbors Jake and his family will died, and Grace will be forced to live through that guilt and pain again.

And, let's remind everyone loud and clear. Spider is her boy, but so is Jake. Jake was her first boy and she may be hard on him and pushes him around and uses his kids against him, but she can never stay mad at Jake and can usually never say no to him.

So anon, you're 100% right. Grace sees both Jake's and Neytiri's point and it's a constant battle in her head and in her heart.

She's forced to say goodbye to Mo'at and all of her students, little kids who cry as she leaves with Kiri and the Sullys. They cling to her and her daughter, calling them 'sister' and 'mother' in both Na'vi and English because Grace is such a good teacher. It only makes her feel worse. Not only is she leaving her boy behind to keep her daughter safe, but she's leaving the rest of her children as well.

Neytiri is holding Tuk's hand in one and Grace's hand in the other. All three are crying. Grace doesn't have an ikran, so she flies with Kiri.

So I know I mentioned wanting to see Grace on a skimwing. But for some reason, I don't see her riding an ikran. Like I said, Grace wasn't a warrior before Spider was taken (therefore, she couldn't save him). She was still a scientist at heart and just wanted to figure out how things work. I think once Spider is taken, things change. Yes, she still loves trying to figure out how things work, but now she's motivated to do more. To be more.

She starts training alongside the Metkayina. She learns to hold her breath, learn the sign language, and especially learn how to hunt. She tames a skimwing the first time, determination flowing through their bond. The skimwing she chose to ride knows that she's motivated to one day go after the man who took her son and that skimwing is all for it. It respects her immediately and pushes her to be better at riding.

She's not going to be helpless the next time her children need her roams around.

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I'm making this a whole new tag and putting it in my official masterlist! So keep leaving requests, discussions, and asks in my ask box! My masterlist is the top pinned post and the tag for this whole au is #avatar!grace lives au

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Just reading you about spider and agreeing he deserve better. Srsly my heartaches for him and everyone in the fandom painting him being a bad guy is too much like his gray character guys.

but what I notice from him he will never be truly accepted by the two species both humans and na'vi for the human's his to na'vi or (savage) and to the na'vi his the constantly reminder of what the human's did to their people and land and I cry for him for that. His just a kid who wants to be belonged and accepted but always getting rejected.

And what pisses me off is to those people who blamed spider for bringing the rda to the metkayina when in fact it was signal from norm and max got detected by the rda signal. And Jake also pissed me off saying that spider might betray them for telling where they are like sir that kid is literally a ride or die like did he ever think that the how dangerous humans are especially a military one those people will torture for info when like sir your was once a soldier you know how brutal they are? Did he not even think what will they do to spider a kid? Imagine if quaritch didn't step up that boy brain will melted off. So yes spider deserved better

spiders such a good kid, that like, yeah, by human nature he just wants to be accepted, but like, he so clearly tries to suppress it. like sure, he wears his hair like jake, paints blue stripes on himself, holds himself like they do, but we never see him actually try and force himself into their lives. he follows kiri and lo'ak around because they're his friends and they love him, but other then that, he tries to slink into the background and be useful. he doesn't want to be a burden, a reminder, one with the humans. he literally would do anything, sacrifice anything for the na'vi. he did one thing for himself (saving his father, who was one of the first, if not only adults to ever care about him in his entire life) after years of putting his wants and needs aside, and he gets absolutely shit on. like he's just a baby, who will never fit in anywhere, who "doesn't want" to fit in anywhere (cause 99% of humans suck and he doesn't want to hurt the na'vi anymore than he already does for existing.) and he's just hurting.

I think spider's gonna burn out by the end of these movies. not in the going villain or rouge sort of way, but I think we're definitely gonna see a breaking point where he's just done. cause it has to be so hard to keep going like that for years.

he's gotten kidnapped, tortured, dragged around by the rda, forced to watch brutal tulkun hunts and village raids, watched a sibling die to save him, gotten held at knife point by someone who should be like his mother, knowing she might kill him. he has given his all, and still just kept rolling with the punches like they didn't hurt. and still, everyone seems to expect the worst of him.

and that comment from jake, I took it two separate ways, but I guess they could both coexist;

he didn't trust spider to protect his family, despite the kids undying love and devotion for them, even after he was shown nothing but hate.

and/or

he knew they were going to break the poor kid and get what they wanted from him, no matter what it took.

I don't know which one makes me feel more sick. the thought that jake thought so lowly of spider, or the fact that he knowingly abandoned him to that fate. even if jake wasn't the kids guardian, he could have at least given enough of a shit to feign worrying about him, or mourning spider capture. I understand having to make harsh decisions like valuing the life of many over one (doesn't make it anymore palatable, but y'know, military politics) but like, he didn't give a single shit. that's what bothered me the most. they just forgot about the kid.

with what james cameron has said, I think things are going to start sorta looking up for our boy, but I don't have the most hope he's gonna get a truly 'happy' ending. I think so much damage has been done already, that spiders always gonna be that character that breaks my heart.

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Could you write more chapters for Blood Brothers in the future? I haven't been able to stop thinking about it since I read it, I love Spider's dynamic as a protective older brother. Additionally, I wanted to ask what would happen if the boys had one more sibling (you know, the time frames would change and, for example, Spider would be 5 years old, Hunter would be 2/3 (what is the exact age difference between them?) and the unborn child would take Hunter's place). What gender would they be, what would they look like and what about the personality?

Hello! I just posted all the prompts I've been receiving on ao3. it's not a continuation of the story but it is more in that universe.

As for the addition of another sibling, I've said before in my Paz lives modern au that I like the idea of Paz and Quaritch accidently having the same amount of kids as Jake and Neytiri. In that I have them having three boys and then a girl. But I like the idea of a little sister being around so I'll up the ante and say that Paz was pregnant with twins when she was killed, a boy and a girl.

In Blood brothers Spider and Hunter have about a two and half year age gap so lets say these other siblings are also about two years younger then Hunter. Spider would be 5, and Hunter would be two going on three when their mom dies and the twins are born. I was going through military names/ strong names for boys and girls trying to pick a name I think Quaritch would like and the only names that stuck out to me were Gunner for the boy and Ada for the girl so that's what I'll go with here but I'm happy to hear any other names that might fit better.

So in this scenario the twins would be ten. I feel like I gave Hunter enough angst so the twins grow up in just a nice average home. Their moms are super loving and chill and just let the two of them express themselves however they want. Ada is a spit fire just like Paz was. She's girly as hell. Like her moms let her wear a tutu and fairy wings to school just cause, but she will square up with any bully that dares to mess with her or anyone really. Ada looks a lot like Paz with her late mother's eyes nose and mouth, and has her curly hair but it's lighter in color, more of a honey blond. Gunner is a little more laid back. Like if his sister is a firework, he's a camp fire, really fun and chill to be around, but if you miss treat him, your going to start a wild fire. It takes a lot to get to him though since his sister is so much more energetic then him. Gunner has the same eye and hair color as his sister but leans a little more towards his fathers looks then his mothers.

Since Spider would be older at the time of his moms death he would actually remember that he had siblings and would grow up really resentful that he was separated from them. Not only that but he would actually have happy memories of being with his parents, would think Quaritch was in the right for going after his mother's killer and would be pissed that his family was destroyed, making him a lot less trusting of all of his care takers including Norm. Maybe he even runs away from his foster homes at like fourteen, and Quaritch finds him and is able to convince Spider to stay with him. Spider of course doesn't know his father is planning on kidnapping his other siblings, and is ready to throw hands when Quaritch shows up with his younger brothers and sister.

Just for simplicity Hunter's adoptive parents are still the same, except their relationship is just a little worse since Hunter was two instead of a new born when he was adopted, giving them all less time to bond in those early stages, making him more rebellious as a result.

Since it's now four against one Quaritch would ask Lyle and Z to stay until the kids all get settled in at the cabin. Spider and Quaritch would be having arguing matches all the time with Quaritch trying to convince Spider that this was the only way their family could be together while Spider, even though he wants the happy family Quaritch promises him, knows his siblings all have adoptive families that love them and want them back, so Quaritch should do the right thing and give them up.

Hunter's dynamic with his father and brother would be the same as it is in blood brothers. Quaritch would try to treat Ada like his little princess and get kicked in the shins for it (Lyle and Z also frequently get kicked by Ada) Gunner gets put in his room a lot because he's constantly wreaking havoc, cussing out the adults, throwing and breaking things, just a complete terror. Spider thinks it's hilarious watching his father try to remain calm, while trying to wrangle two ten year olds.

Ada and Gunner would love Spider, because he treats them with respect, helps them prosses all the horrible things going on, and protects them from their father. They run to him for everything and Quaritch is low key jealous that his younger kids all flock to his eldest for things they should be coming to him for. He'd have to do some next level manipulative shit to get all four kids to fall in line, but that's why he's got Lyle and Z there.