#Spicy Byler

[castlebyersafterdark]

Most Byler posts: This Mike and this Will have kissed 🥰

Me: This Mike and this Will have fucked nasty 😈

[bylrlve]

Finn made a new Stranger Things playlist today, STurn - it has some very interesting lyrics

- Angst in my Pants (🥴😳)

… Ahem… alrighty then!

- Don’t Ask Me to Explain, by Montreal

This reads as if it’s from El’s POV… reminder that on her ST2 Netflix playlist, one of the last songs was Jolene…

@greenfiend you may be interested in the blatant sexual references in this play, given your excellent theory that byler will have sex at lover’s lake (x, x)

This, from Promises I’ve Made, makes me nervous for El - recall Millie’s supposed shock at El’s ending. Promises are a m*leven motif, so it’s fair to assign this to that relationship, but otoh the lyrics are very gay so…

Most excitingly, the last song on STurn is Just What I Needed, the last song on Will’s Castle Byers Classics!

As for preceding songs, Breakdown’s lyrics are incredibly gay - and while Block Rockin’ Beats’ lyrics are sparse, The Rebel Kind is all about being yourself and has lyrics tying in to Mike in Hellfire.

[honeymartinn81]

[crazytogetherbylers123]

Stranger things S5 leaked climax scene😂

[greenfiend]

If you can't take Hosegate don't read this post...

I'm serious...

Okay. I've warned you. This is a post that will end any uhh top/bottom debates...

Trigger warning for somewhat graphic mentions of sex and unfortunately CSA...

So last chance to leave this post.

Still here?

Ok.

So lets break this down.

Mike = the key.

The straw = the key = Mike.

Mike is penetrating a hole...

But the location of where the uhh penetration happens matters just as much.

Russia = El...

Hawkins = Will... the implication of CSA here are just... so sad. Argh. I hate it.

Basically... "Hawkins" is the right "location" for "The Key", but "Hawkins" is still healing from that previous "penetration".

(this is literally the reaction shot and was mine too)

Now. If "The Key" successfully "penetrates" "Hawkins" it'll create...

Likely one we haven't seen before. More on that later...

[problematicbyler]

an incomplete history of byler sexuality discourse

and how widespread fandom purity culture and homophobia created a flourishing nsfw sub-fandom

some may call me chronically online, but i call myself a fandom historian. i've been a member of some fandom or another since i was about thirteen, and i've always been interested in the rise and fall of fandom discourse. though it's annoying in the moment it's happening, i think it's very interesting and telling to look back at the overall arcs and trends.

so, let's talk about the many times the fandom has cancelled people over byler sexuality, and how each level of "hornygate" has contributed to the growth of the proship/byler smut community.

(i use the term proship in its intended definition, which is to say, not "problematic shipping," but rather being pro-fiction, anti-censorship, and anti-harassment; it is a position of believing the fiction one creates or consumes doesn't reflect a person's real life beliefs or morals.)

i have been a stranger things lover since season 1, a byler shipper since season 2, and an active part of the byler community on tumblr since season 4. i'll mostly be focusing on post-season 4 discourse because that's what i've really been most present for and that was the period that really marked a turning point in the fandom.

seasons 1-3

i wasn't as plugged into fandom discourse back in the day, but the broad strokes of early discourse was mostly thinly veiled homophobia. claiming that it was sexualization to assume will or mike could be queer despite blatant queer coding, implying that analysts were no better than will's bullies to assume his sexuality, etc etc. people were criticized for shipping byler at all because they were so young (but these people naturally had no issue with mileven, so, again, homophobia).

season 4 (may-july 2022)

now, season 4. this is where byler was brought to the attention of a lot more fans, and stranger things' viewership reached wider than ever. the byler fandom on tumblr booms from 4k to 100k over the course of season 4's release.

this brought a lot of new people who have never been in fandoms before, people who never learned don't like don't read or your kink is not my kink and that's okay or ship and let ship.

or, a lot of times, people who had only been in fandoms for celebrities and bands, which tend to have different rules when it comes to shipping and sex, because they're real people. hence a lot of young antis' conflation of character with their actors, but that's a different rant.

so with a rapidly growing fandom, a show ripe for analysis, and the art of media literacy bleeding out on the ground in front of us, the hellscape of the fandom post-season 4 in 2022 followed as such:

august 2022

jo/kendra gate where two extremely popular analysts were called out for "sexualizing" byler while being adults (early to mid 20s). they were dogpiled and harassed because one of them said that will was giving mike "bedroom eyes" (he was) and one of them said mike was checking will out (he was):

pyshiie and moogate. the proship side of byler twitter rose up and started to divide itself. i'll credit my own joining-the-dark-side to pyshiie and moo, formerly barbjeanisms, who were two popular artists called out respectively for sexualizing byler and generally being proship. similarly, people were called out and criticized for even following or interacting with those accounts after this discourse.

september 2022

hosegate is the most famous across the byler fandom, and it's when some users proposed that the scene in the pizzeria uses phallic imagery to imply mike turns will on (or vice versa) and a lot of people thought that was too sexualized, it caused a divide, and more fanpolicing, etc.

october 2022

the artist noodlesandtea was harassed for having liked arguably nsfw bakudeku art (they were shirtless, it wasn't explicit) on the same account where they draw characters who are minors. they also drew byler kissing, which was a problem for some? anyone who defended them was also called a pedo, naturally. noodles also got called out for having drawn fanart of the popular e-rated fanfiction....

the unmarked mixtape. a massively popular sequel to a massively popular fic, the red envelope. for a long time, those were the most widely recommended byler fics, but it very soon became taboo to even admit to reading them because the sequel has explicit sex and the first has them making out.

sonnet116 gate is another fic that was beloved and then rapidly turned on by byler twitter because it had implied, fade to black sex scenes. it was about them hooking up but had no smut. and even the non explicit idea of that was offensive and pedophilic of anyone who dared read it. around this time, another fic was called out for having will moaning into a kiss, because writing a teenager moaning was also offensive and pedophilic.

i'm told i (jana / troublebyler gate?) may have influenced a lot of people joining twitter for byler smut after writing illicit affairs and some other smutty oneshots in rapid succession, seeing a lot of byler shippers moving to the proship side of the fandom just to discuss and write byler smut. i also hosted a little fandom gossip column on my curiouscat where a lot of folks confessed to reading or writing smut while pretending to be "normal" in the "main" fandom. it basically revealed/implied that a large amount of popular authors, artists, and accounts were secretly pro byler smut, and that many proshippers were "undercover" in the "main" fandom.

the blocklist era. around this time the "main" fandom also created a "st twt safety" account on twitter which was basically targeted harassment and mass reporting of proshippers. the account does warn of some genuine bad actors sending gore images via dms, being racist, etc. but by far, the majority of it was simply calling out proshippers for sexualizing byler, sharing screenshots they thought were "gross," which only resulted in spreading nsfw content to unintended audiences of minors that likely never would have seen the nsfw accounts otherwise.

november 2022

practice kissing gate is where a handful of popular fic writers were criticized for writing practice kissing fics (such as undertow), and in fact, any amount of byler making out, because adults "fantasizing" about teenagers kissing was "gross."

the proship corner of st twitter continued to grow a lot thanks to so many lovely fan creators, all of whom i couldn't possibly list but who have done a lot for the community! but we continued to get bombarded with endless callout posts and block lists and witch hunting. people were unabashedly policing people's following lists and likes on twitter to call people out for engaging with any questionable users or content. (if you search byler twitter now you can still see the wreckage of so many witch hunts.)

onward through 2023

over time things have mostly calmed down, or at least enough of the folks on "opposing sides" of the fandom have mutually blocked each other to survive. this is likely also influenced by the hiatus leaving the fandom to quiet down, the collapse of twitter-turned-x having many users migrate their fandom content elsewhere, and the mass exodus of many people from the fandom for political reasons. if i had to guess, the ramp-up to season 5 will see all new conflict as more "casual" fans return to the fandom. but who's to say.

which brings us to now:

spicybylerpolls gate, wherein the byler tag on tumblr collectively had to reckon with the fact that people want byler to have sex and it doesn't make them creeps to vote in silly polls about it. people criticized the blog for being overly sexualized and pure fantasy versus more "acceptable" analysis, with many making sweeping moralizing statements about anyone who dared interact with the blog.

this has kicked off tumblr's own sort of horny revolution in encouraging folks to be more open on here, whereas previously we were confined to our corner of twitter.

so in summary:

people over and over again put fan creators on a pedestal just to turn on them when they're "betrayed" when a person's views did not one-to-one line up to theirs.

teens in the fandom especially were "betrayed" by adults in the fandom they thought were "safe" (and i would argue that self proclaimed "safe" adults in fandom are far more dangerous to real life minors than the proship fans who sexualize fictional characters but dont interact with real teens)

most everything has been fueled by widespread ageism at any fan over the age of 18, widespread homophobia and puritanism in regards to exploring queer sexuality or discussing sex at all

so much hate has been over what are essentially "thought crimes", with people watering down serious accusations like pedophilia into a petty insult over disagreements on fiction

and the cycle repeats itself endlessly until things devolve back into witch hunting and policing peoples following and likes etc

the best part to me is that every single cancellation just resulted in more people flooding to the horny side of the fandom to post more freely and without shame. every time a person on twitter posted screenshots of my account to say how "gross" it was (while simultaneously exposing my 18+ nsfw content to their audience of minors) i had a surge in followers. the more the fandom squeezes, the more people slip from its hold.

but that doesn't make the harassment campaigns okay, and it doesn't mean the fandom didn't do massive amounts of harm to real people in an attempt to protect fictional characters.

my hope going forward is that the fandom can coexist as a community where people don't have to like or agree with certain content to treat the people who create it with respect and dignity. and i hope that, while this side of the fandom might grow more on tumblr, we don't have to relive the same old discourses and go through the same cycles we went through on twitter.

and remember kids, the block button is both free and fun.

[pinksmonkey]

The Truth About Hosegate and Lover's Lake

(An analysis by scrunchietown)

I found this like a year or two ago on here, but when I was making my Ultimate Byler Evidence/Analysis List, I was unable to find it again and realized it had been deleted. Luckily I took screenshots and had reposted them on Reddit so I could link to it in my list because I think it's really good. Anyway, now that I've reposted my evidence list on Tumblr, I figured I should post this too. I'm not sure why the original post was removed, so I apologize to scrunchietown if they removed it intentionally for some reason, but I think it's a really important thing to talk about so I want to share it here.

So anyway, here it is. :P

Because of the 10 image max, I will have to post this in multiple parts.

Here's Part 2.

[spicybylerpolls]

It's a shame how guarded the fandom is regarding sex. First and foremost because sex, and specifically shame around sex, is heavily, heavily tied to Mike and Will's story.

If Lucas can have a 69 sign above his head while he's sleeping, why is it so hard to believe Mike and Will are having sexual dreams about each other? Especially if you ship them and acknowledge the 69 sign was obviously signaling a sexual dream?

If Lucas can have a reference to dirty magazines under his bed, why is it so hard to believe Mike and Will also have dirty magazines hidden around their bedroom?

If Dustin can have a reference to masturbation, why is it so hard to believe Mike and Will are also interested in masturbation as well?

They specifically put these references in the other, ORIGINAL, party members, who are the same age as Mike and Will, while also including references for them too (that people just can't accept), signaling all these boys are starting to think about sex. The difference is, Lucas and Dustin don't have any shame surrounding who they're attracted to.

I don't know about you (however I imagine this is a common experience for many queer people) but before I accepted that I was attracted to the same sex, I'd constantly find myself watching the women in porn and consciously trying to focus on the man. I'd tell myself things like "oh - you're just interested in how your body will look when you're older" or "oh - it's normal when you watch porn" etc - basically anything to reaffirm that I wasn't gay. And this is all between ages 13-16.

This is exactly how I see Mike, specifically. Starting to notice his attraction to men but consciously repressing it, telling himself he's normal and it doesn't mean anything. And I think people forget (or maybe just feel uncomfortable talking about) this part - that the sexual attraction, the shame in the sexual attraction, is a huge, huge part of realizing you're queer and coming-of-age as a queer person.

And that's why Mike doesn't want to hug Will at the airport (or a big part of it). It feels awkward, even if he doesn't know why. It feels awkward because he feels ashamed for liking Will. I mean the first shot we get of Mike setting eyes on Will in Season 4 is of him looking at Will's chest and then quickly averting his eyes. This tells us everything we need to know - Mike is attracted to Will, feels ashamed about it and doesn't want anyone to know (or likely doesn't even fully understand it himself, but at the very least, knows it's not "right").

Point being, his shame surrounding specifically his sexual attraction to men is one of his biggest issues and failing to talk about it is a HUGE DISSERVICE to his character!

It also does a huge disservice to Will's character, too. The repercussions of this shame, a lot of the time, is Will's situation - not having your first kiss, all of your friends growing up before you, hating yourself because you have a crush on your best friend. All because he's romantically AND sexually attracted to men. This is what Will's thinking. If he wasn't such a freak, if he didn't want to kiss boys, if he wasn't starting to feel sexually attracted to men, then everything would be so much easier. He wouldn't feel like such a mistake.

This is why I think they'll absolutely have a sex scene in S5 and also why I think it will be explicit. I previously thought it'd likely be implied and that that'd be enough but I don't see it the same anymore. Now, I don't think this means it has to be racy, obviously, but just that the audience would see some of it. Quite frankly, doing an implied sex scene, while I wouldn't be dissatisfied, is a disservice to the story.

See, with Jancy, the implied sex scene works. The tension between these two characters has been building for a season and a half and we know they want to have sex. We don't have to see it, we just need to know that they do.

But with Mike and Will? That's not the case at all.

First of all, the tension has been building for 5 seasons, which is the entire series. An implied sex scene would ultimately be a tame ending to this storyline.

Second, Mike and Will specifically feel shame about this act, Jonathan and Nancy don't. We don't need to see their reaction but we need to see Mike and Will's reactions because it completes their characters. Because they have felt shame about this specific thing, not showing them feeling comfortable doing this, with each other, would be incomplete.

Third, think about Steve and Nancy's sex scene - we're shown it specifically because Nancy feels uncomfortable.

Ultimately, there's no need to show Jonathan and Nancy having sex because there's nothing left unresolved. That's what the Duffers actually get right - only showing a sex scene when it's important for the narrative and for the characters. Even Hopper and Joyce point to this, despite them being the oldest characters and the most suitable to have an explicit sex scene, opposed to Steve and Nancy. That's because there's nothing else to tell us about Joyce and Hopper through this sex scene - we know they love each other. I don't see why the Duffers would break this pattern now.

And well, even if you don't want the scene, I don't see how you could argue that the moment Mike and Will decide to have sex isn't extremely important for their characters and would tell us A LOT about how they both feel, especially Mike seeing as we don't get his perspective.

You could argue the kiss would suffice but... does it? A kiss isn't really... sexual. And Romantic, sure. But this wouldn't address the shame they specifically feel about sex. Mike starting to cry while having sex with Will tells us so much more about his character than him crying while kissing Will.

Kissing is also a thing children do. Ending a 5 season, 9 year long coming-of-age project, with two characters who have fought inter-dimensional monsters that quite literally represent their shame, simply kissing? Something we've already seen one of these characters do, multiple, multiple times?

Okay, I guess.

Anyway, I know a lot of these points have already been made, and that this was really long, but I just wanted to say them again because it upsets me so much, especially during rewatch when I see all the themes right in front of me. And I know it upsets other people, other young adults, too. Seeing this experience represented so accurately - one that you might even still feel shame about, one that you went through not too long ago - and not even being able to discuss it openly in the fandom, is sad. Being called a freak or a pedophile for simply suggesting that sex is important here and the Duffers are telling us so. Sex... the thing that literally created us all. And that almost everyone starts thinking about between the ages of 13-14.

Sigh. At least we have this blog. Thank you for that. 🫶🏼

[moleaboveyourlip]

[romainlettusdinnerparty]

ik it might look like mike is looking at the ground here but in reality they are filming triple take part 2: will’s ass edition

[castlebyersafterdark]

something something early ish relationship byIer sneaking out to mike's car to fuck because everyone is home all the time and they can't wait to get their hands on each other....something something will gripping the seats as he bounces on mike's dick. Something Something

Tonight, the soundtrack was full of evening crickets and the singing of cicadas. The windows were rolled down in want of a breeze, but the hot air of midsummer offered no relief. No drifting wind, gentle as a caress through the backseat, no whistle through the tall Indiana grass that surrounded the car.

Insects and the creak of the old Chevy. Panting breath. Sweet everythings mouthed into strained necks. The obscene slap of skin on skin, that repetitive slick slide of flesh.

Too hot. Mike licked the sweat gathered at Will's collarbone, tongue pressing hard along the give of his skin, more plush than his own, and lapped up that salty sweetness. Teeth scraped as Will's hips slowed to a swivel, whining low in his throat as his body clenched around the cock buried deep inside.

Will caught his breath, thighs raising and lowering ever so slightly as he shifted against the burn in his muscles. Mike felt them shake and pressed a kiss to his cheek, the corner of his mouth, the mole above the perfect curve of his lip.

"Hey. How do you feel? Need me to take over yet?"

Mike ran his hands from their place gripping Will's waist and rounded them over his thighs, so plush and perfect under his palms. He squeezed and lifted Will slightly against him, then guided him back down, bouncing him in place to meet his thrusting hips as hot breath coated his cheek. Will's soft, staccato moans joined the bugs hidden in trees and the still, dry reeds in their secret field. Alone. Quiet.

Sometimes when they parked, they let the radio play soft as they kissed and kissed and shared secrets and made brand new declarations. Other times, nights like these, still new and novel but getting more practiced and familiar, they let their bodies start to compose, to mold and sing for each other with confident notes. The radio remained off.

Mike sharply thrust up hard at a particular bounce, harder and less controlled than he'd planned, and Will gasped as the hot cock dragging against the soft walls of his body jutted against the spot that made him see stars. He choked on a moan and Mike sealed their mouths together to steal the song for himself, drink it in, let it fill his own lungs.

Will stilled and whined again, chest heaving as he slid close, pressed fully against Mike as he breathed through the burn, the fluttering pleasure deep inside.

"Baby. I got you, tell me. Are you good?"

Will turned to stare directly into Mike's eyes, mouth parted, and slowly shook his head in protest, in insistence. He lifted upwards, letting the full length save for the smooth, slick tip ease out of his body before sliding back down with a now practiced squeeze. He took Mike down to the base with a pointed slam and rock, using a move he'd learned drove Mike nearly to the brink, milking pleasure from the place they were connected.

"Oh my god, shit. Gonna be over soon if you do that again."

Will leaned back, coy grin sliding into place as he settled into the ache in his legs, humming as it morphed into a pleasure-pain, a second wind, as Mike shifted into needing a breather.

He didn't give him one.

Will moved his hands from their place on Mike's broad shoulders, a perfect resting place, and leaned forward to grip the seat. His fingers settled against the old upholstery, dry under sweaty hands, and leveraged his weight to lift and raise and lower again. He smiled at the burn in his legs, eyes closing as he found that perfect angle, turning over to the repeated sensation, chasing that drag and jolt.

Mike tipped his head against the top curve of the seat and simply rode it out as Will took him deep, over and over. His hands skimmed Will's sides, settling on that slim, perfect waist, made for him to hold. Personally crafted. Meant to be.

The rocking, bouncing movements jostled the car just enough for brief panic to overtake Mike, hoping desperately that they'd left the emergency brake engaged before their frantic fucking rolled them into the forest. Mike leaned forward just enough to glimpse and chuckled warmly to himself at visual reassurance. His change in angle was inspired, and Will picked up the pace even further.

His legs begged for him to stop, but the way Mike felt sheathed inside, buried over and over again - the stretch, the hot skin dragging over sensitive flesh and muscles contracting in that insane sensation - felt too addicting to deny his body. He couldn't stop. Last thing he wanted to do. Mike could carry him back to the front seat once it was all over and his legs liquefied to useless former limbs.

"Come on, baby, come on, Will. So good, I'm so close, I'm so-"

Will bounced with each thrust punching a little noise from his throat, as Mike grunted in turn, in time, voice like a strummed chord. With a loud oh and a seize of his stomach, Mike's hands squeezed tight and pulled Will down hard to stop the constant motion of his hips and seat fully in his lap, then thrust deep as he spilled inside, coating Will with his hot release. Will went to take himself in-hand and finish off as he indulged that strange feeling of being so full, clenching around the twitch as Mike's cock filled him beautifully, but found that Mike got there first.

Mike batted him away and stroked fast, nice and slick and loose to start with a a tightening grip, just like Will liked it. Will's breath hitched and hitched, octave aligned with the cicadas and worthy of joining the nighttime chorus. He came loud and shuddering, hot over quick fingers that continued to pull at him until he couldn't take it and he grabbed at Mike's hand to join his, mess be damned. He sunk into an open kiss, more tongue and air than lip to lip, and moaned indecipherable with attempted words of love and praise.

Mike guided them to slide down the seat, slumped together sweaty and sticky and giggling, crowded on the back bench seat of the car. Still entangled, with Mike softening inside Will, neither quite yet ready to physically part.

The interior of the car was stifling. Hot summer night. Still air. Fog on the windows, even with the back two down. Silent, save for the insects who kept company in their field.

"Mike?" Will asked, giddy, pleasure soaked laughter apparent in his raspy voice - strained from the sheer volume his pleasure had reached. Mike hummed a kiss to Will's forehead and nuzzled closer. "We really gotta drive out here more often."

"Agreed. Heavy agree," he repeated and mentally gave himself kudos for finding the spot earlier that summer on a solitary night drive to clear his head. "Weekly. Minimum."

Will laughed out loud at that and flexed his legs with a groan and gasp, muscles smarting from the sudden lack of motion after the frenzy. They both let out soft, matching sounds as Mike finally slipped out from Will at the movement, already missing the connection. Not vocallzed, but both knew another round was temporarily out of the question.

"Not sure my legs would survive."

Mike ran a hand down Will's chest to hip, over the plump curve of his flank to rest on his exposed leg. He carded a hand across soft hair, cradled the tired thigh that occasionally twitched from exhaustion and aftershock.

"Think tonight was a new record? You're getting so good."

Will beamed with pride and nuzzled close with a soft thanks. Not long ago that he could barely maintain a few moments in Mike's lap before he gave up and let Mike take over. This was fun, exhilarating. Every day with Mike was like that.

"Anyway, not sure my legs are working, either. Don't know how I'm gonna drive us home."

"That's OK. We can stay here. It's nice."

They lay together in the dark, chatting quietly and stealing kisses, and listened to the crickets serenade them in the moments in between when words were not needed, where two steady hearts were more than enough.

❤️❤️❤️❤️

[byler-invested]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles x Stranger Things official comic

Be prepared, because… there’s…..….

A LOT.

> “11 o’clock” in focus for no reason (Eleven symbolizes Will’s closet, internalised homophobia, innocence, virginity).

> open yellow curtain (probably signifies Will coming out in s5).

> “theme for the day” (meaning this sequence is thematic of something: Will’s trauma and coming of age).

> “Do whatever you want. Go see Mike and the boys… it’s up to you” (this refers to the perceived freedom of Will coming out or starting his sexual life).

> “not a trick?” (It is a trick unfortunately…)

> “Nope. I’ll even be your chauffeur if you need me. That means I’ll drive.” (gay top subtext)

> “For once, freedom is on the other side of that door. And it’s all yours.” (!!! — someone coercing Will into the gay sexual lifestyle before he’s ready or in an unsafe manner).

> Eggos and maple syrup are Mike coded. But orange juice is NOT! Mike would drink and is associated to white milk. This is a subtle hint that something’s WRONG.

“Technical” meaning in s5 they will start to delve into the mythology of the series.

But also… sexual subtext.

> “Time to get a move on, kid. Go before I realize this is a huge mistake” (something or someone coercing Will into letting go of heteronormativity and virginity).

> “It won’t… open”, “Just give it a push. You get everything you’ve ever wanted and you’re going to let a door stop you? There you go. Put some muscle into it.” (clearly subtext about coming out and first sexual experience from a bottom’s perspective).

Dustin is Jonathan in s5 when he realizes Will is being manipulated/ coerced by some guy.

The alarmed/ surprised turtle on the right is Lucas.

Raph (on the left) is Mike— he’s PISSED. Jealous Mike absolutely CONFIRMED.

> “Most importantly… why does Stockman want to open a gate, and why do they need him hooked up to that machine, too?” Lucas is absolutely shocked that the top (it’s his former basketball teammate Chance) is into guys and that Will, of all people, would be into Chance.

> “There are no good reasons to open a gate. They’re always bad.” Jonathan is protective of his little brother to whom he also represents a father figure. To him, it can never be good that Will’s having a sexual experience.

> “Maybe that machine is using her powers against her?” Meaning Chance is a dark mirror/ foil of Mike and one of the made-up characters we’ve been talking about.

> “Where are you going, Raph?” Lucas is surprised that Mike is so pissed and already springing into action (he won’t have come out at this point).

> “I’m gonna do the rescuing!” White Knight paladin Mike moment.

> “You can’t pull Eleven out. The mind is fragile.” (Will is in a vulnerable situation).

> “Donny, relax. I wasn’t talking about rescuing the girl”. This is the writers telling us this is all a metaphor and they’re not talking about Eleven, but Byler. They even make a point of showing us a bunch of Byler and Mike-coded stuff in the next image: two crossed swords, a walkie-talkie, Mike’s backpack and a huge phallic object…

> Mike makes use of his coding/ programming skills (Alan Turing reference).

> “Well, the two of them are definitely linked”. Mike and Chance are linked in some way.

> “Wait, so this whole thing is designed to create a big illusion? To feed Eleven a lie?” The writers referring to their gigantic five season long straightbait but also, manifestation theory IKTR.

> “Only those inside can shut down the projection”. Like I suspected, the scientists fucked up and Brenner as the lab leader was probably the one who made this decision of ‘trapping’ everyone in the simulation. Also subtext for “only those in Will’s trust and heart can shut down his illusion” aka Mike.

> Nice reference to The Cabin in the Woods movie there in the first pic (heavily recommend).

> Mike doesn’t even ask anyone and just brutally storms in to interrupt whatever Will and Chance are doing.

> We could even infer that his extreme jealousy straight up brutally OUTS Mike, not only to the audience, but maybe also to other characters. He unintentionally crashes down his own closet…

> “That’s not your friend.” Mike telling Will this about Chance.

> The background changes to orange as the villain (Chance) loses his disguise/ farce.

> “Fine, I’ll gladly stop pretending to be this buffoon.” Chance stops pretending to be nice and/or is revealed to be a Vecna/ Mindflayer trap.

> “Like it or not… this place is mine”. Mike and Chance will fight and compete for Will.

Note: Chance is heavily associated with orange even in the show, because of being a Tiger in the basketball team.

TAKEAWAY:

Unfortunately, I think at some point in s5— besides the supernatural plotline— we are about to witness Will delve into real unhealthy coping mechanisms (prematurity, hypersexuality, low self-worth and/or drugs) and reliving the trauma with his father (attraction to unhealthy people, as Chance will remind Will of a mix of both Mike and Lonnie).

These are extremely common results of CSA in many people.

Jonathan, Lucas and especially Mike will save him.

There’s a lot more. I just picked some of the most incriminating pages lmfao. And I’ll leave you with this Paladin Mike bonus:

If you wanna read more ⬇️

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part 2:

[willbyersbookshelf]

hi spicy byler tumblr!! I have painstakingly compiled a list of some of my favorite spicy byler fics and authors. this is all so incredibly subjective to me and my taste but I do like to think I have absolutely stellar taste so take that as you will hehe. all the love in the world to anyone who wrote any of these fics!! here is the link to my absolute pride and joy, my notion page of good smut:

tagging some lovely spicy byler creators and authors for some love as well!!

@problematicbyler @wisehearts @id-rather-be-home @jaseywolfhard @mirroringme @willbyershandmoles @souverian-are-we @kissingpractise @bylerfields @weebowill @castlebyersafterdark @spicybylerpolls @starsarefire824 @pluralbyler @moleaboveyourlip

[crazytogetherbylers123]

Guys if you are waiting for Byler endgame in S5 then I will recommend one bl movie which makes me remember Byler in many scenes of the movie .

Movie Name :Aristotle and Dante :Discover the secret of Universe

It's a love story two best friends one of them is gay and another one denied his feelings because of his internalized homophobia and the timeline of the series 80 and you know their age is similar to Byler 😌

After watch that movie I need confession of Byler just like the climax of that movie

Here's the climax scene with English subtitles 😊

And the lighting of this scene makes me remember that field bts photo of Bylers 😌

[greenfiend]

Let's FINALLY discuss the sauna test

A great example of why I do believe that A LOT of the show is representing Will's internal world/his trauma. I go WAY more into that in this post.

The whole sequence is about Will fighting his trauma and his sexual attraction for Mike...

To begin, let's remember that the episode prior to this had Mike say the infamous "It's not my fault you don't like girls" line and led to Will destroying Castle Byers. Mike saying that not only triggered Will because it was Mike (the love of his life) saying that, but also because it brought on traumatic memories of his father...

Let's begin.

Scene starts out at night time... the pool is closed... no one else is around.

Billy is seen in the shower, back facing the camera. I just have to make this clear for everyone: Billy is Will's id (I also believe he is one of Will's alters.) He represents Will's desires and negative impulses that he tries to bury and suppress. He also holds onto trauma Will has suppressed. The fact that his name is also "William" is a huge clue.

In order to trap Billy into the sauna (a small closed space... like a closet). Mike successful lures him by calling his name and giggling. Watch the clip above. Mike is, essentially, seducing William here.

El (the gatekeeper) appears and shoves Billy into the sauna/the closet.

They lock the door.

I'll be honest... this part is pretty heartbreaking. I believe that because Billy is essentially an alter of Will's, he is recounting Will's trauma here. When he says "he" he likely means Will's own father. *sigh* more CSA subtext...

Max here is telling him that he just needs to open up about the abuse. This is a hint to the fact that Will needs to open up...

We immediately cut to Will who appears awfully triggered here.

The focus on Will here with this line just further proves that this is his own trauma being discussed here.

This line and this shot again tells us something important. Mike is going to help Will, and they will "figure it out together".

"Activated" also means... turned on... Will is turned on by Mike.

Mike says this line because... "Billy", being super into Mike here, is about to burst out of that closet door.

Then we have El, being the gatekeeper and protector for everyone again.

She banishes Billy as he could not be contained within the sauna/closet...

[id-rather-be-home]

similar to the post you reblogged about Mike can’t help but to stare at Will’s lips but now with the bike photos and him purposely going slower than Will so he can stare at his ass 🤭

if we don’t get some blatant ass staring from mike this season i’m going to actually be actually so disappointed in the missed opportunity that was RIGHT THERE

but considering the duffers were already bold enough to give a cheeky scene where mike briefly checks will out in his bedroom in lenora AND insinuate that will turns mike on with hose gate, i think the chances of a scene like what you’ve mentioned is highly likely

i mean mike literally cannot help himself from staring at will’s lips at any chance he gets! he’d have the most self control of any teenage guy in the world if he doesn’t stare at will’s ass at least a couple of times