#Sidenote: DID-wise he also does not display- well. hm. Along the lines of the varying concepts for it...

[liedownquisition]

ugh, fuck freud. I hated when they made me learn his shit (which, admittedly i was already familiar enough to know was shit) but at least my teacher was kind of, approaching it as more of a "these ideas are prevalent and its important to recognize them so you can know when someone's a crock of shit" sorta thing (but also sometimes they're buried so deep its like you learn smth that sounds reasonable until you hunt down the origins of it). Alright, preemptive disclaimer: I am a few years out from an education that never actually got to the point of a degree due to complicated life upheavals. I try to keep up bcs it's a personal passion, but as you've said as well, psychology/ect is a rapidly-evolving field that is still divesting from a lot of older prejudices and yeah, it's very political. You DO have the more recent stuff and I do want to emphasize that I am not so much trying to discredit or outright disagree, just that with where there's overlaps in a lot of disorders (much like other illnesses), you know, understand why one thing vs another, ect. Bcs, again, you've got the most up to date resources, even if they might look different from the ones I'd get if I was able to immediately resume on the same level. (On a slightly other front, I also very much approach diagnosing a fictional character differently than I ever would even suggest IRL, largely in part due to the fact that many discredited or contested disorders, concepts, ect. are used as literary devices regardless of accuracy - Disassociative Amnesia/dissociative fugue, for example, is in particular a rather large one.)

Also some of my terminology is outdated as they frequently adapt them esp wrt as we gain greater understandings of what's actually going on behind the way things present. A vast majority of psychological terms, diagnoses, and symptoms currently do not have the same meanings or usages as their origins. Disassociation, as I recall, even started under the belief of being a "mental/cognitive deficit" and tied to a more archaic version of hysteria - which has a long political history esp tied towards the control & oppression of those diagnosed, often women.

DID is not something I necessarily was thinking of suggesting Jason might have, but rather wanting to bring in that Dissociative Fugue had been tied to other sources, & DID is frequently comorbid with other disorders that can sometimes make treatment of it, or the other disorders difficult due to the disparity - there's no medication for DID, and most treatment is directed largely at the others connected to it & regular counseling. Depression being most frequent esp treatment-resistant varieties, but PTSD & Borderline/BPD (which is also a very popular hc for Jason & includes dissociative episodes) are also not terribly infrequent (as well as any number of other personality, trauma, disorders, actually. It could be said that DID is almost an amplifier, in some ways). (DID, ftr, is also considered to be a trauma-induced disorder, especially tied to trauma starting in/induced in early childhood, and similarly to PTSD has been getting more momentum in recognition/study largely due to WW2. I have had multiple friends diagnosed with it and combined with my family history & OTHER friends who had schizophrenia it was a major factor in my interest in the field from the start, esp to understand where they diverge since they were frequently conflated. Also, an interesting note is that diagnosing DID is almost more about ruling out every other option than it is to diagnose DID itself. One of the biggest issues with it diagnostically is that a lot of the associated concepts for it are not clearly enough defined, & there are competing models for it. It may be the case that there are multiple "types" and it should be used more of an umbrella with more specific sub-branches or even just split into multiple concepts altogether, but admittedly that's a bit more of a personal theory than one I know to be actually considered.)

Where I was considering the Dissociative Fugue idea is largely more due to it's implications wrt mobility. ymmv on if "escaped the hospital and wandered around Gotham" constitutes a significant enough form of travel to qualify under "fugue", but given the emphasis on the comic even before he got hit on him walking several miles further than investigators suspected he could/would have, it seemed a viable consideration. It also apparently became More Explicitly part Dissociative Amnesia in the DSM-V which I guess was published the same year I was... studying... and my class at the time did not fully cover, jfc. That's kind of an embarrassing thing to have missed, actually. I was a bit focused on other things, but...

I believe you! Implicit learning is a good point, I was mostly concerned about how it would interact with, say, the dissociation in question. Using your house metaphor, if they're lower than the first basement, where they can't see or hear above, then how are they intaking and retaining that information. With a lighter dissociation it doesn't feel like a question, but the deeper in you get, it feels like there would be more of a struggle for that information to breach, you know? (Again, not saying you're wrong. This is just why I had the question/felt unsure of whether or not that specific concept(s) was still applicable under these conditions.)

Is it just me or does Jason not have catatonia in Red Hood: Lost Days?

It's been driving me crazy the more I think about it, his symptoms are way more consistent with dissociation than catatonia (not to mention the etiology fits much better. If you just gave me the list what happened to him and I had to pick what disorder he was most likely to suffer from (in RH: Lost Days) without describing anything, my bet would be on dissociation no question asked)

This is has enormous implications when it comes to the Lazarus Pit and what it can and cannot heal, how to calculate Jason's age, the diagnostic hypothesis we have for Jason and so much more. Am I missing something? Why does Winnick keep referencing to Jason's symptoms as catatonia?