#Sammi Slott

[dailyshameless]

SHAMELESS 5.06 ― "Crazy Love"

[m1ckeys-3lite]

[milkovich-cigarettes]

actually, in my version of shameless, sammi jumps off a bridge and gallavich goes on their date happily

[calliecopper]

Unpopular Shameless (U.S) opinions because I can't get them out of my head

Karen is one of the most overhated characters in the show. Hating Karen for Daddyzgirl but not hating Sheila for her sexual assult of Frank in s1e2 is hypocritical. Especially since that's likely where Karen learned that type of behavior from. Also, many of the other reasons people hate Karen can be pretty easily explained or understood, just like most flaws or bad decisions made by every other character in the show can be explained; for some reason people do not want to extend the same grace to Karen as they do other characters. I think a large part of this is due to the fact that characters used for comedic relief seem to generally be better liked by the fandom, and Karen is not often used as such.

On that note, Sheila had no right to take Hymie at the end of s2. Karen decided to give Hymie up for adoption specifically after the event wherein Sheila got drunk and crashed her babyshower, which ended in literal gunshots being fired. In s3 it's established that Karen called the Wong family because she believes Sheila to be unfit to care for him. While her motivations were likely also selfish, I have no doubt that Karen's personal experiences dealing with Sheila and her lackluster parenting led to her trying to keep Hymie away from Sheila. It's no coincidence in my mind that Karen's personality and her approach to motherhood changed drastically after the babyshower. So, Sheila's decision to take Hymie for herself was not only disrespectful to Karen, but it also pushed Karen to leave home underage and get herself into dangerous situations (which is kinda similar to Ian from s4, huh?)

Debbie is also severely overhated by fandom. I won't argue much for later seasons because I think all the characters suffered a large decline in their writing quality, but regardless, people hate Debbie in seasons 4-6 for reasons that I, again, don't really think are completely valid. I actually think Debbie's most interesting storylines occur in seasons 4-8/9, and I think that her poor decisions earn her a disproportionate amount of hate. I've seen some calling her the worst character on Shameless, and while she can be kinda annoying, I think her storyline honestly makes sense, and her journey into motherhood with Franny is really interesting to look at when you look at her own relationship with Monica.

Speaking of Monica; this is less of an opinion and more of an idea I've had before, but I think it would've been really interesting if we had seen a lot more of Monica. Specifically, I think it would've been cool to see Frank actually die in s4, and then spend s5-7 with Monica instead. Maybe see her popping in and leaving at more frequent intervals and explore more of her relationships with each of the individual kids, as well as seeing more of her antics and schemes instead of Frank's. I wanna know what she gets up to when she's away from home, just like we get to see what Frank gets up to. I think it would've been cool to primarily explore Frank's relationship and impact on the kids in the first part of the series, then Monica's, then after her death really explore the kids on their own without the active influences of their parents. Like Fiona said at the end of s4, the whole idea of "It's not Frank, not Monica, it's me."

Really really unpopular opinion here. Kev and V should've gotten a divorce. I really love them in the early seasons, but seeing them in s5 kinda made me think they weren't good together. I think having an arc of martial struggles and showing them working through it would've been really cool, but I don't really feel like they ever worked through their issues? It feels like the conversations V should've been having with Kev about how she's having trouble connecting with the kids were conversations she was actually having with Svetlana. I think they were shown to always have communication issues, and s5 could've shown growth there in their relationship, but all that happened was that they included a third into their relationship, whom they both eventually started treating very badly, and they fucked their feelings out. I don't feel like they ever reached a good space together. I honestly think an arc of divorce and learning to co-parent would've been best for them. Especially since showing the love in a relationship before and even during a divorce, and how much it really does hurt, would've been very realistic. Sometimes you really do love somebody and sometimes it just doesn't work.

Frank was a worse parent than Monica. People get this idea that Monica ruined Frank, and that he could've been a good father had he not met Monica. I'll say that the logic there isn't logic-ing when Sammy and Queenie are right there. Frank was fucked up before Monica. Even so, Frank was an infinitely worse parent than Monica. There's the mentality of "well at least he was here" but he really wasn't there. When he was he was actively mooching off of his children and bringing danger back into the home. He canonically goes on months long benders. He only returns home when his alternative living situations end up crashing and burning. He uses physical force against his children. Monica ran out on them. She took the squirrel fund money (which Frank did too) and spent it all. In her attempt to be a fun mother she made life actively harder for the kids. She was by no means a perfect mother, but never do I believe that she had malicious intent or a desire to actively harm her children. She's not a good parent, but the idea that she was the worse one pisses me off so bad. This idea that "Frank could've been a good parent" actually applies more to Monica. If she hadn't met Frank and had gotten the help she needed, she could've been a good mother.

I like Sammi in s4 and think she's is a good and interesting character. I don't really like what they did with her in s5, but I do think her calling the MPs on Ian was an interesting plot point. If they'd made an effort to make Sammi likeable in s5 instead of painting her as a psychotic bitch, I think it would've provided more nuance to the end of s5. Especially since, similar to the "Mandy hitting Karen with a car" incident is praised, Mickey almost killing Sammi is seen as a "deserved" moment simply because Sammi was an annoying character. The punishment absolutely does not fit the crime, and while it was accidental, Mickey did fully intend on torturing Sammi and he deserved to go to prison for it. The women of this show really are hated more than they deserve to be, but I blame the decline in writing quality for some of that. Not all of it though.

Ian and Mickey breaking up in s5 was the healthiest thing for them at that point in time. There's mixed opinions on why Ian broke up with Mickey, but I've always been under the impression that Ian didn't want to burden Mickey. Based off his s10 hesitancy to get married, the whole idea of "how do you know you want to be with me, I'm bipolar" suggests to me that Ian was struggling with those feelings immediately post diagnosis, and thus went about a slightly self-destructive route of leaving Mickey before he either got left or ruined them both. I don't think Ian was really correct in that thinking, but I do think that he needed to do some growing outside of a relationship for awhile. I think Mickey also needed to grow a bit. I don't really like how their relationship is handled s7-11, but I think them breaking up and coming back together in a healthier way was the best move for them to avoid ruining each other.

That's all for now maybe I'll add more later but yeah. I love pretty much every character on this show; the whole point is that they're morally gray.

[forestcat000]

Shameless US season 5 episode 10.

I've gotten this episode spoiled for me, I know what happens but I'm still near tears watching Ian and Mickey walk home, singing and planning a date they never get. I almost wanna stop now so I can pretend they have their date.

'Listen, Listen, Ian, I want you to know that you are a really good kid with a big heart. You have some hard times ahead of you but you're gonna do great'

Honestly fuck you Sammi. I really like Sammi, I'll defend quite a bit of the shit she did but Ian had done nothing to her. Ian seemed pretty good with her.

I saw the scene of her bandaging up Ian and I actually thought it would be funny if they kinda got friendly. Sammi and Ian bonding AU, lol.

'Gentleman, this is Ian Gallagher. I think they're ready to take him to jail now.'

Mickey and Ian were fighting so hard....

THEY SHOULD BE ON THEIR DATE! 😭

Someone kill me.

[m4ndysk4nkovich]

mickey and debbie in 5x11 is amazing and one of my favorite plotlines in all of shameless but then i remember why it happened and what happened because of it and i become extremely depressed

[ninoochat]

[galiaghered]

shameless writers knew what they were doing to us when they introduced caleb. You can't tell me they didnt.

A, one of the best known and loved scenes of gallavich was them drunk walking home and singing love is a battlefield. Right before Ian got taken, the two of them were planning on going on an actual date. Like a fist actual date, since both of their other relationships had been with either woman or middle aged men.

B, they knew everyone would notice that caleb literally took Ian's first official date. that broke me in general. but,

C, during said date, Ian began to tell Caleb how Mickey's idea of a date was to punch him then fuck. This was basically a punch to the stomach to all gallavich fans, and i'm convinced that was exactly what the writers were going for.

Because Ian could have 1.) had experience with dates if sammi didnt call the cops. 2.) not have had met caleb if sammi didnt call the cops. 3.) still been with mickey if sammi didn't call the cops.

Therefore, everything I just talked about is completely Sammi's fault and the mental hospital is now rightfully her home.

[cringengl]

Unpopular opinion but Sammi is overhated. She's not a character I particularly like or am attached to, but the way the fandom treats her is honestly a little insane. Like yeah she's not the best mother, but she honestly loved Chuckie so much and was always looking out for him which is more than Monica can say, plus just like the rest of the Gallaghers, she's a product of her environment. What Carl did to Chuckie, strapping the drugs to him, was a real dick move that no one really acknowledges and yeah Gallaghers don't snitch or whatever, but if another character treated Carl, Liam, or Debbie like everyone treated Chuckie, heads would roll and we as the audience would be rooting for and justifying it the whole time. Yeah what she did to Ian was awful, but everyone acts like it was put of nowhere and that she didn't have a reason which is just not true.

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Shameless, Season 3 & 4 Master List

Seasons 1 & 2

Things never stay the same in the Gallagher household. At least, not for long anyways.

After you graduated high school, you helped your sister raise your five younger siblings. And things were like that...for a while. But then you ended up marrying your best friend.

Tony Markovich.

And yeah...things were pretty great there for a while too.

Until they weren't.

And now, you're living under an alias with your son...so that your husband doesn't know where to find you. And to be honest, ever since your dad disappeared...things have been going pretty well.

And then you met him.

Charlie Peters.

Who knew all you needed was that brooding version of sex on two legs to turn your life back into one big drama fest.

Season 3

Chapter 1: Oh How Things Change

Chapter 2: El Grand Canyon

Chapter 3: The American Dream & May I Trim Your Hedges

Chapter 4: The Helpful Gallaghers & The Sins of My Caretaker

Chapter 5: Cascading Failures

Chapter 6: A Long Way From Home & When There's A Will

Chapter 7: Frank The Plumber, Civil Wrongs & Order Room Service

Chapter 8: Survival Of The Fittest

Season 4

Chapter 9: Simple Pleasures & My Oldest Daughter

Chapter 10: Like Father Like Daughter & Strangers On A Train

Chapter 11: There's A Rub & Iron City

Chapter 12: A Jailbird, Invalid, Martyr, Cutter, Retard, and Parasitic Twin

Chapter 13: Hope Springs Paternal, The Legend Of Bonnie and Carl, & Liver, I hardly Knew Her

Chapter 14: Emily & Lazarus

Seasons 5 and 6

[cinematic-pessimist]

Live Laugh Love Shameless

[themoonandthedogstar]

guys i actually dont hate sammi, i actually like her

[girlwithshipsshitshow]

Sammi was WAY to close to frank it was uncomfortable…

[forestcat000]

okay, i get that Sammi is annoying and bitchy, i really do but taking it out on Chuckie is uncalled for. Chuckie is a trusting little kid who Frank convinced Carl to involve in drug smuggling. Frank is a complete asshole in this situation, that's his grandson. this reminds me of when he called cps on his kids.

[m4ndysk4nkovich]

i think that we didn’t get enough information on mickey’s arrest.

i mean, we literally didn’t, they didn’t confirm that he and sammi had both been arrested until the recap in 6x01- so they literally chose not to add the footage in 5x12. but i think that there’s more to the lack of information than just not seeing him handcuffed.

why did sammi know that mickey had tried to kill her, but not debbie? could sammi hear them plotting? i could see her coming after debbie more than i could see her coming after mickey, even if she did despise him. she knew debbie was more valuable to the gallagher’s (no hate to mickey, but fiona and lip weren’t too fond of him), so if she did hear, i could see her plotting against debbie. and in 10x08, we do hear terry talk about how no matter what, people are always going to assume it was a milkovich even if it wasn’t, so it’s likely that she just pointed it on mickey and they went with it. however, sammi and multiple other people would be able to confirm that mickey, debbie, and liam were home at the time (not like anybody would suspect liam of the crime, but regardless). i could see mickey, fiona, and sean all lying and saying that debbie wasn’t there, but i don’t know. i think that they’d still interview her, and maybe she’d use her lying skills from aunt ginger, cousin patrick, and the pregnancy she was then hiding, but maybe she would be bad at it. that’s the thing, we don’t know.

but fiona had to have known, right? all of this talk about torturing sammi, debbie basically confirming that she and mickey were going to go torture sammi, and then a week or so later sammi shows up claiming that mickey tried to kill her? how could she have not known? did ian ever find out? i feel like season 6 ian would be upset, but also tranquil (trying to hide that he still cares, as we see in 6x01), however, i could see season 11 ian being upset if he hadn’t known until just then.

also, mickey was originally set to be released in 2023 with good behavior. who knows what sammi’s sentance was, but knowing her, she probably didn’t have good behavior. i could see her seducing someone to get out, though, just like mickey. i honestly don’t think she’s currently in prison and i wish that they had visited the storyline again because maybe she was even out in season 11.

and i know that the real answer as to why we didn’t get a lot of info on what happened to mickey, sammi, and debbie was because noel wasn’t being paid enough and he wanted out. still, it’s something in the storyline and shameless struggles with writing characters off/finishing storylines, making it so that the fandom ends up explaining it better than they do.