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SAG-AFTRA Foundation Conversations - "Loki" With Tom Hiddleston

NEW YORK, NEW YORK - NOVEMBER 12: Tom Hiddleston and Erik Davis attend SAG-AFTRA Foundation Conversations - "Loki" With Tom Hiddleston at SAG-AFTRA Foundation Robin Williams Center on November 12, 2023 in New York City. (Photo by John Nacion/Getty Images)

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Christine describes the little secret behind the dress Agnes wore to Ada's wedding.

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TGA 02x05 Close Enough to Touch

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"As long as the cat isn't here. That cat - I always say that cat is; got the best part, part in the whole show. The cat is great, isn't he? He's a SAG member."

"There were a few cats, actually. Yeah, there were a few - few cats. No, no, no; I mean there were a few, few cats auditioned, so to speak - you didn't think it was gonna go this way, did you?"

"Yeah, well I mean I think, uh, when I first heard about it, you know, my first thought was: 'Well, there are really great iterations of this story that people love' - myself included, you know - you know, and so, you certainly don't want to do anything that would be a carbon copy or what's - it would just be pointless to do something that was sim, similar to the Minghella film that um, everybody knows so well and loves so much, um, or any other iterations. So one of my first questions to Steve was like: 'Why?' and he had a very, very specific notion; in fact, he, the, the f - the copy that he read, um, as a young man was in - had a black and white photograph, and I think that just ignited something in his imagination.

And he's got a very, very singular, singular vision, and not just a sort of visual, um, imagining of the story, but a sort of tonal one in the sense that he was very interested in the, um, the details and the machinations of it. And I think he wanted us, it wants the audience to kind of, um, uh, watch it in the same way that you might read a novel, read the novel, in the sense that you can, in this episode - you guys just watched episode 5, right - and so that you can go really into great detail about a very specific; you just go off into a, um, um, um, a very particular area without the pressure to, um, keep the, keep the plot going in the same way that you might spend five pages describing something in a, in a, in a book - that you take pleasure in, in just really going, turning a corner, spending a lot of time there; and I think that's a very, um, audacious, uh, quietly audacious way, of, of making television in this day and age."

"Eliot is heavier than you might imagine."

"It's really interesting about backstory. I sometimes think backstory is overpraised a little. Um, I think the - particularly for somebody like Tom Ripley, you know, I feel like the character has loads of secrets, and I feel like, as an actor, you sort of have to keep the things that I might think about - whatever my perception of the character is - a secret too, you know? And so this idea that, uh, you know, he's the hero - he's an anti-hero of sorts - but, but he's an, he's an unreliable one so, I don't know; sometimes I think the idea that we know as much as the audience know and that actually you just play the scenes, uh, for whatever they are, and you don't rigidly, uh, stick to a map that isn't going to be particularly helpful to you.

Um, so there are a little - for Tom certainly - you know, the idea that he might say something and you think: 'Am I going to say this - ' you say everything with; he's an expert at, uh, lying, so I'm going to say everything with conviction. So, you know, like the way I think, I think what she's so adept at understanding is, is that human beings are expert at, at, at lying, and so the backstory so to speak that we might have ourselves as human beings, uh, we alter depending on who we're talking to, and we don't have a - when we hug them and have a sort of - we don't give it away - you know, we, you know, we - we lie with absolute expertise, and I think that's what she's exploring, and I don't think that's exclusive to just the Tom character - I think as Dakota was saying, they're all murky kind of characters, you know, in a sense."

"Absolutely. I, I, I, I, I don't - I don't actually think he's a psychopath, and I don't think any of those things are; a lot of the scenes that, that we play, as Dakota was saying as well, was, was - are very domestic scenes, and he's not a natural born killer. Um, and I think what she's exploring is that feeling of being 'othered', that's about somebody who's not invited to the party and somebody who's overlooked; we - we see him, you know in a rat filled apartment in the Lower East Side and he's this great, brilliant, talented person that has - has been completely ignored by the world.

And then he's exposed to these people who, um, are probably less talented than he is and feel absolutely entitled. And when there is a sort of, uh, disparity in the way that, uh, that, um, beautiful things are, um, are doled out to, to, to people in the world, and there's a, there's an injustice there - uh, something rotten occurs in the state of Denmark - and we don't, we don't, we don't, we don't necessarily murder, but it invokes a c - certain rage, and I think that's why people sort of are - find this character so, um, enduring and so why you kind of, in some ways, root for him. Because we all have that feeling of, of, of, of, um, of not being invited to the party, and I think that's what she's so expert at, um - "

"That's, that's why, that's why she's the greatest crime - one of the greatest crime writers of all time, because you think: 'Don't get caught, don't get caught!', because - and that's not because we've; she's not asking us, asking the audience to, to imagine what - and, and nor is she asking us to for, for, for, for us to imagine what it's like to be a victim of Tom Ripley; she's asking us to inv - to, to imagine what it's like to be Tom Ripley. That part of us that is him, not, not, not - not somebody else, and that's a very interesting kind of, uh, for a protagonist in a, in a, in a, in a story."

"I think that's, that's, I - I really do think that's what Steve's intention was because, again, I think that's the way we, we would read a novel; it would be unusual - I mean, it's possible of course that you would read a novel in one sitting - but it would be unusual. And so we've got, we've got into this uh, uh, I don't know what we call it - it's a fashion to sort of binge-watch things which is cool, I mean there's nothing better than that, but it's nice to sort of offer a counter-argument about the way that we can watch television now."

"Yeah, it's, it's important, um, that there's some degree because, of that, because I think it's a pleasure for the audience, but having said that, uh, I don't, I, I don't, I don't know - I think our version of it slightly is that, you know, in the novel there's kind of this idea that they, you know, he puts kind of oil in his hair to, you know, like much more disguisey so to speak and I, I don't know - we, Steve and I spoke a lot about hiding in plain sight, um, and the idea that, uh, by just saying something to somebody with conviction, uh, they might believe you, depending on what their personality or how open they are to being deceived. And that's what's so helpful for Tom, particularly with Inspector Ravini, uh, because you think: 'Is this person who's scrutinizing me - is that, are they scrutinizing me because they know something, they've - they've sort of sussed me out, or because they're just a little bit more stupid than me?' Do you know what I'm saying? That, that actually, that actually sometimes I think Tom's great talent is to be able to uh, think on the, think on the, on, on the, on the moment. So, so that to me is much more interesting than absolutely nailing 100% the, the, um, being able to, um, uh, imitate, uh, Dickie Greenleaf in, in, in, in, in, in a 100% pure form. I think that's part, part, part of the challenge but, uh, so much of that is up to the, the audience's imagination - to allow them to have the space to be able to, to um, to, to see that too. Does that make sense?"

"Oh I did, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah - and I was; don't get me wrong, I was completely obsessed with Johnny; I looked at every single thing that he's ever done. And I was like copying the way his voice was, the way he was in American, what way he was - and also, I knew what Johnny was like as a, as a person in this, but he'd never played Dickie Greenleaf before, so I didn't know what way he was going to play Dickie Greenleaf, and I was obsessed with, with that, and kind of copying him - and then probably looking at him in kind of a creepy way. Uh, I said that to Johnny; I said like: 'I'm going to be, I'm going to be like sort of staring at you' - and he's so relaxed Johnny.

Uh, um, so yeah, that was, that was really, really important, but then you have to just - you kind of have to let it go, and then you just sort of, you sort of feel like; you feel a bit like Johnny, and then hopefully it, it does a bit of that, and then the audience does a little bit of it and then, you know, you know - and then saying the same words and, and the, the music, the musicality is more important I think; and his voice; he, he, he, he speaks in this sort of slightly different registry."

"He uses - I think what's so extraordinary, just to say about music is - he uses music so sparingly and he uses sound in such an extraordinary way, um; there's an extraordinary amount of silence in the, in the, in the, in, in, in episode 5 but also in episode 3; I think it's extraordinary. And I think that's really audacious to do that; that you don't sort of manipulate the audience with incidental music - that you just; you sort of make them endure what Tom has to endure. Um, and I think, you know, there's a sort of deadening and I don't, like, the threat of silence, you know?"

"Well it was very, very - you know, those scenes are long, you know; they're six, seven, seven page scenes and uh, you want to get them right, and you want to make those two, uh, scenes that we have sort of distinct from each other in a way. Um, a huge amount happens when Freddie's leaving and then you think: 'Oh my God, how do you, how do you, how do you maintain that?' So much of it, uh, I think this seri - the, the way this story is told is about restraint and that was - it was wonderful to, um, to be able to see that, that audiences can really, really take that, um; because it's so much about - it's, it's, it's like there's musicality to it, you know?

Um, um, but I, I, you know - Eliot was absolutely brilliant to work with and um, it was great to sort of get some of those big, big scenes out early, um, because obviously the challenge for me was to, was to, we, we - we were very lucky; we got the entire script right when we were asked to - you know, offered the parts, which is quite unusual - sometimes you just get the first two episodes and you don't know where you're going. We had that full Bible of everything, so for me it was about mapping out what way it would be for the entire thing and what - when you would show that colour and when you would show other colours. So to be able to do that with Eliot from the beginning just meant that you had some - something to sort of; a rock to hold onto knowing that's going to be there in episode 5, and then you could go back to episode 1, so that was; that's, that's a big thing to - it was a huge, huge thing to hold in your head."

"They don't come up to me. (laughter) No, they do, they do, they do. Um, yeah, it's - it's really, people have, are incredibly passionate about, about - you know what I think, uh; honestly speaking, I think some people, uh, because the pacing is so different, I think some people find that hard to judge, and some people I think find that the, the relentlessness of the - and the intricate nature of the storytelling - a little bit hard to deal with, and some people just want it frankly to go a little faster.

But the people who don't, really, really embrace it with such passion and feel like: 'Wow, I really want - ' - a lot of people watched it in the same way that you watched it, which is like, I'm just - there's so much to take in and such a full meal, that you don't actually want to watch four episodes of it, because you want to be able to savour it and it looks so beautiful, and you're able to just really bathe in it. And I think that's what the reaction to it is so to, to make sort of singular work like that is what all, all of us actors want to do. You want to do something that, um, that, that has it's own spark of divine fire, you know, and, and uh, that's what you try and look for is just each like something that has a real autograph in it, and that's what I love about it and that's, that's, that's mostly how, if people come up, that's what they might say."

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Tom Holland attends the SAG-AFTRA Foundation Conversations - "The Crowded Room" at SAG-AFTRA Foundation Screening Room on November 29, 2023 in Los Angeles, California

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Kevin Bacon & Kyra Sedgwick on March 30, 2023 while attending SAG-AFTRA Foundation in New York

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Ninety-six minutes of that beautiful, talented man talking about his career is just such a joy (especially when I, too, am “a fuckin’ nerd” for this stuff).

Just watched the entire thing, some initial and random observations:

his incredible memory for productions that could be 25 or more years ago, and not just ones he was in, either.

his emphasis on the idea of always “starting from zero” with a role, which he frames a lot in educational and training terms - the idea of a lifelong learning process inherent in the craft.

the humbleness and respect for his peers and for the massive shows he had one-off gigs on

his repeated references to being in unions (yes I know he was talking to SAG but like, after all the shit we saw during the strike from some quarters?? Union man, baby ✊🏻)

his thoughtfulness and consideration in responding to the questions (which were great - such a gorgeous, warm conversation)

the interest in going back to directing (!!) but also the anxiety that comes with the responsibility

“Gimme a comedy” YES GOOD YES AGREED

the general sense of something that I love to see in people regardless of their job or profession: they take the work seriously, but they don’t take themselves too seriously.

I just love that man. Shocking news, I know. But I do.

(PS I’m going to need someone to gif that “I’m a fuckin’ nerd” line as a matter of urgency because I NEED THAT IT ME I AM A NERD I AM HE AS HE IS ME ETC)

PPS and editing to add: someone get that man on a nice throat medicine please the poor guy

Pedro’s SAG Career Retrospective

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Being that cool. And getting to smoke that many cigarettes.

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SAG-AFTRA Foundation Conversations - "Loki" With Tom Hiddleston

NEW YORK, NEW YORK - NOVEMBER 12: Erik Davis and Tom Hiddleston attend SAG-AFTRA Foundation Conversations "Loki" With Tom Hiddleston at SAG-AFTRA Foundation Robin Williams Center on November 12, 2023 in New York City. (Photo by John Nacion/Getty Images) (9 photos)

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Jonathan Bailey and Matt Bomer drinking milk at the SAG-AFTRA Foundation Screening of Fellow Travelers (August 16, 2024)

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Richard: "...I've actually gone past Andrew on a Lime bike, but that's it - we once, I think we shared a nod on a Lime bike; kind of passed each other...it was going through Soho, we were going through Soho..."

Andrew: "Electric bike - what's not to love? Lime - lime green."

Matt (to Jon): "...I am finally coming to New York and I'm going to take you up on hanging out when I get there."

Jon: "Extended invitation to all the people on this call, by the way..."

Andrew: "Can I bring my Lime bike?"

Jon: "Yes..."

Andrew: "Um, yeah, I think it's, for me, it was, you know, the other actors. The character that I played was - a lot of the time I was acting on my own which was a really weird experience because I; I didn't really like it to be honest. We, we shot it during the pandemic and we were away in Italy, and people couldn't come and visit and I couldn't, couldn't get back, um - and when, when you're acting on your own, and sometimes acting a lot in, in, in a different, uh, language, um, was, was kind of hard, so when the other actors came on, um, like Dakota Fanning and Johnny Flynn particularly, it was, it was, it was amazing.

And actually, one person that I think was incredibly helpful - we had a cast ass - assistant and her name was, and still is, uh, her name is Elisa Sofia Fioretti, and um, you know, those people who, who kind of look after - you know, when you're, when you're on a set for like 13 hours a day, uh, it, - it's very all consuming particularly in, in this part, and so the person sort of helps you manage all the other parts of your life and, you know, keeping that afloat, uh, is, and, and helps you with, with those things. You really do, do become, uh, so bonded and Elisa was amazing because she was just a - a brilliant; she was the person that I kind of hung out with the most and, um, she's uh, you know, has, has, um, uh, ambition to become a producer herself and I, I, you know, she was - was just amazing."

Andrew: "Well Steve Zaillian our, our - he, he, he wrote an incredibly, um, uh, sort of beguiling script in the sense that the sta - the screen directions were so beautifully written, they really were; there were sometimes just pages if there's no dialogue, there was just - you read it like almost you were reading the, the Patricia Highsmith novel. So it was a really good map in, in the sense of what the character might be sort of going through, and it was actually a great pleasure to act with no dialogue because all you're really required then to do is just be as alive as you can on the day and, and just um - so I, I always find it really interesting looking at characters just thinking, not necessarily feeling so to speak; I mean, of course there's a bit of feeling there as well, but watching characters just be and, uh, uh, watching them work something out or watching them make, make mistakes was actually a really wonderful thing.

And maybe we don't get to do that as much because, uh, you know, a lot of, a lot of drama is, you know, very dialogue, um, centered. Um, and then the other scenes were just - he, he writes very sparsely you know; I think it's very difficult to make a great movie out of a sort of - or a great TV series - out of, out of a mediocre script, so the scripts were very spare, even the dialogue, there were no greats of grandstanding, um, you know, speeches or anything like that, but uh, they were very witty and precise, and it was just a great, um, great pleasure to, to play the kind of domesticity of this person who's a kind of an iconic literary character, but to try and, to try and um, uh, understand what, what he would be like just, you know, walking down or going to see a gallery or just being on his own, you know. The murder I mean - the murders are only - really only took two or three weeks to, to, to, to film out of a whole year of filming, so uh, so yeah, it was, it was, it was a strangely - I was very, very connected to the character, apart from, you know, the murder."

Andrew: "Yeah, I think it's - I think it's the stage really. I was very lucky - when I was, I was only about 18 or 19 and I joined the Abbey Theatre, the - our National Theatre in Ireland - and um, I got some, got some really good, really good parts really when I was very, really tiny. I'm sure the other actors were like: "What the - who's this little -?" But anyway, um, but I, I feel like I was very - I feel very grateful for that because it was a lot of new writing, and then when I moved to London, I, I worked a lot at the Royal Court Theatre, which is a, is a new writing theatre, and, and what was really helpful about that is it gave me an, an appreciation of, of writing.

And I think the, the writer really is, is the actor's ally; sometimes I think even more so than the director, you know because those work - it g - it gave me an, uh, a real appreciation for what, what, what, um, what you can do with a good script and good - that, that, good writing, and, and I suppose I sort of - I became more discerning about what a good script is; and I think that's a, a handy tool to have as a writer, because sometimes you can get things that look uh, or it might be attached to a great studio, or it might be a good story, but the actual, um, music of the script is actually kind of quite weak and I think for an actor, that's the thing that we, we play with. You go: "God, I just wanna be able to say that line" or "That's incredibly funny" or "That's very moving", um, and if, and if, if a - I always describe it as a kind of an autograph; if a script doesn't have a very singular kind of autograph, then I think it lacks something, and I think I learned that very, very early on from being in the theatre where that's - where the writer is really at the centre of the, of the art form. So yeah, I feel, I feel, I feel, feel that gave, gave me something; whether - whether made the, you know sometimes you, you just don't have a choice, you just - if you're not working, you just choose to be in the thing that's terrible, um, but at least you know; at least you have a sense of going: "Okay, well I, I, I have, I have my own opinion of what, what this is." Yeah."

Andrew: "Um, I uh, I think it's wonderful. You know, I think it's wonderful - um; does that mean that, I would hope that that is every year not necessarily, I think - I think, uh, I think that it's wonderful that it's incidental, but I suppose one of the things that I would be cautious about, um, is I don't think anybody ever - well, I suppose in relation to the characters it's different than, than, than the actors, I suppose, I suppose there can be; sometimes when we're talking about characters and we're talking about actors, there can be a sort of prurience or even sort of hysteria about people's sexuality, and I hope that we're, we're moving towards a place where it's, uh, there's a kind of more fluid place where, where; I think the last thing any actor really wants to be is to be, uh, is to be, uh, to sort of, um, what's the word? To trade on their own sexuality - I think that's kind of what you actually don't want to do, so you know, speaking as somebody who's, who's, who's a gay actor playing, playing a sort of, uh, a non-heterosexual character, um, you know I, I, I don't - I wouldn't want to; I, I feel - what do, what do I mean? I just feel like there - that it's really important that, that, that, uh, you know to play; these characters have a certain kind of sexuality, but they also have an enormous amount of other attributes, and I think you don't really play gay, you know it's - it's impossible to do that because it's not something that we cultivate necessarily, you know; it's a, it's a, it's, it's not a talent anymore than being straight is, so, so yes, it's, it's interesting but what's more interesting to me are the stories.

These are extraordinary stories and they're all gay or you know, a lot - four of them are, are, are, are characters, but they're enormous - they, they may have similar sexualities, but I'm not sure, uh, that - I think the stories is - are what's interesting, and I just wonder if it wasn't - if there were four straight characters, if, if we would be even talking about the sexuality of the characters. So yes, I, I welcome it, but I - I'm not sure it's the thing that we, any of us, necessarily would feel that that's the thing that we would be most proud of, if that makes sense. So it's sort of yes and no for me. Um, I don't know what you think, Matt."

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Tom Holland talks about filming the dance scene with Sasha Lane in episode 8 of The Crowded Room

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Taylor talking about how he’s so grateful for the things he’s got and experienced (I can also feel his lil voice shake here❤️) just made compilation of him saying “ I’m so grateful” parts from this conversation

❤️him being grateful for fan interaction & comments on rwrb achievements

❤️him talking about working with intimacy coordinator while filming

❤️him being grateful for his audition experiences

❤️at the end of conversation, he said he’s so grateful to be sitting here today

I love how he values his past and present moments with his whole heart, taylor zakhar perez is such a precious soul 🤍

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SAG-AFTRA Foundation actors roundtable !

Available now on Youtube

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CAILEE SPAENY Hair styled by Kiley Fitzgerald and makeup by Loren Canby ahead of the SAG-AFTRA Foundation Conversations' Priscilla Screening and Q&A on November 15th 2023

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Nate Mann & Callum Turner attending the SAG-AFTRA Foundations: Conversations at the Foundation on June 17, 2024 in NYC.

📸: John Nacion