#RD 4x18

[samanddeanwerehere]

Griffith Park Drive, Los Angeles

Kicking off a new series on filming locations that appeared multiple times in Supernatural, with an unlikely candidate. If the Pilot was the only episode filmed in LA, how did a location from the pilot appear multiple times? Let me show you!

Griffith Park Drive in Griffith Park was the site of the roadside scenes in the Pilot where the Woman in White was picked up on the side of the road, first by Tony...

And later by Sam...

You also see the spot when the boys first drive into town and pass the Jericho sign (also visible in the first screenshot). Note for visitors: The tree behind the Impala in the first shot below is no longer standing.

When the location returns, it’s two years later in Season 3 in driving footage that must have been shot during the pilot. In fact I think it may even be an extended version of the footage of Sam driving through the Woman in White’s ghost, just without the the Woman added in post. 

The same footage appears in 3x03, in 4x04, in 4x18, in 10x20 and finally in 15x04. Which is pretty cool that footage shot on film in the pilot made it all the way to digital edits in the final season.

This is one of three types of repeat locations (though there’s also some amount of overlap between these types). 

There’s ones like this one that are actually just the same footage being used in multiple episodes, but the show only shot at the location once (true of a lot of driving footage). 

There’s ones that appeared in multiple episodes but were playing the same location each time (this would be places like Bobby’s house and Singer Salvage Yard). Given the nature of the show as a road show, there’s not as many of these as one might think in a 15 year series.

And lastly, there’s locations used multiple times and playing a different location in the show each time. 

Next up Pipeline Rd in Stanley Park :-)

[bugheadsextape]

Us watching next ep tank since they’re promoting all the b*rchie nonsense.

[dmux86]

So it seems the basic setup is going the way most Bughead and Varchie fans figured... B/A thought about it and met up a few times, at least one of them decided it was silly childhood feelings, and they stopped but without telling their partners so far... and if the stills from 4x19 are at all ‘real’ then they won’t say anything about it then either.

And of course now we ALL know that the truth will come out in a tape... possibly watched at home or more likely graduation or prom for maximum public drama. 

Still think that’s the most likely outcome at the moment, but it’s now so obvious to everyone that... given the gap in production and time for the show runners and network to process the fan reaction... I’m wondering if they might switch it up a bit and do the whole ‘subvert expectations’ bit that several other franchises have done lately.

Not sure what they switch to (guilty Betty confesses, guilty Archie confesses, spiteful Archie drops a bomb after he and V break up for long distance, Cheryl makes a comment that gives it away, or something else entirely) but I’m curious if they might truly alter their plans based on how audiences reacted and how obvious the next move is.  

Just some random ramblings... but would love to hear anyone else’s thoughts on this... 

[xstargaryenx]

If you see them cheating, you look the other way and mind your business.

[bugheadchemistry]

Did you watch 6x04 😵‍💫

Nope. Unless something significant happens with Bughead, I’m not watching.

[imreallyloveleee]

How do see the barchie/bughead storyline (4x15-4x18) do you thanks that Betty it's just suppressing her feelings for Archie or were just nostalgia (sorry for the inconvenience you probably answer someting like this before)

(anon did you want a novel about this? cause you got a novel lol)

first, I don’t think there is a character-based explanation for that storyline. neither of those reasons (suppressed feelings, or nostalgia) makes any sense, because the show never even hinted at either of them being the case. this storyline is one of the most glaring examples i’ve ever seen of characters’ behavior being shaped to meet the needs of the plot, as opposed to the plot naturally flowing from how the characters would behave.

aside from that,

suppressed feelings - no, Betty has not had suppressed feelings for Archie all along. that’s a deeply ridiculous interpretation. if that were the case, wouldn’t their kiss in s2 have led to something other than both of them making weird, uncomfortable faces and then never speaking about it again? wouldn’t we have seen the slightest indication that there were still romantic feelings bubbling somewhere underneath? the show never gave us any of that. 

also consider that for whatever reason, the writers basically set Cheryl up as the omniscient narrator of this storyline (remember she’s the one who says there’s something going on between them, and she ends up being right). and when Betty brings up the possibility of suppressed feelings, Cheryl is like, “no. that’s fake. you’re just confused.”

nostalgia - I guess you could claim this? and it’s probably what the show will try to claim if/when they dig into the motivations more. maybe buried somewhere in all this mess is the fact that Betty just went through the severe trauma of thinking she attacked the person she loves, and thinking he might die, and going through the whole cover-up, and then seeing another man jump out a window to his death. and on top of all that she’s on the precipice of a very big life change and Jughead starts behaving in a way that makes her question whether he’s as serious about their future as she is. I guess you could say that this would cause her to emotionally regress to embrace the feelings she had for Archie as a kid, which were much more simple and straightforward than everything she’s dealing with now.

but personally I still don’t buy this because she and Archie barely interact throughout all of season 4, and when they do interact most of those interactions are her being like, “Archie you’re a fucking idiot.” and Jughead has been open and clear about the fact that he does want a future with her (”the long haul”, i weep). so for her to fly off the handle the way she does when he’s not doing his homework (lolcry)...like I said, there’s no character-based explanation for any of this. it’s just where the writers wanted the plot to go.

[go-ldy]

I am wayyy behind on catching up on RAS’ post-finale interviews but anyway, here is some out of date content:

You know, coming out of episode [418] last week, where Betty says, "Whatever this was, we have to stop it." I think coming out of that episode we saw that Betty felt really good about recommitting and rejoining Jughead. But Archie felt a little bit at sea after Betty said "let's stop this." So I think in terms of Barchie, I think we’re gonna kind of follow those two paths. In a way, that liaison between Betty and Archie sort of reconfirmed Betty’s love for Jughead, and reconfirmed that Archie’s kind of confused about what he wants right now.

Source

First, hilarious that kissing Archie propelled Betty into recommitting to Jughead (I know it’s not exactly what RAS is saying, but leave to my interpretations, we have all had a long few weeks okay).

Secondly, I liked the insight into Archie’s POV which was frustratingly lacking in 4x18. I was not sure if we were supposed to interpret Archie’s actions as:

Agreeing with Betty that they were basically acting out an nostalgic fantasy that was not real and they had to re-commit to their respective SOs; or

His heart was pointing towards Betty and he was ready to explore something with her & he was crushed and rejected when she was not.

Kind of seems that RAS is hinting at something between (a) and (b) but certainly with Archie’s feelings not being resolved yet. TBH a pining-for-Betty Archie storyline on Riverdale would not at all surprise me, and it would be just their kind of “new twist on an old comic story” that these writers  love. I am sure that they are 100 percent aware of the critique of the way Betty & Archie are portrayed in the comics. Ergo, flip the situation around so that Archie is doing the pining, and bonus, they get to parallel the B&A relationship from the Pilot. That is absolutely something Riverdale would do.

Also interesting that RAS seems to be highlighting Bughead going to different schools as their main relationship stumbling block in the upcoming episodes as opposed to the B&A kiss coming out (lol this show, the emotional whiplash). I am definitely here for Bughead navigating the difficulties of a long-distance relationship in college > the B&A kiss being released by the voyeur tapes.

anyway, I just hope that however this is done, it is respectful to Veronica. The heights my raising eyebrows lifted when RAS hinted Archie is going to finish that damn song. Must he.

[dmux86]

And then the majority of those fic writers have to write Jughead ‘hell is other people’ Jones completely OOC in response... he’s not going to make new friends, he’s not going to date other people, and he especially won’t be able to rebuild trust with Betty if she moves on and dates someone else... but of course as long as Bughead is endgame who cares, right?

Very frustrating all around, but honestly I can buy Betty’s momentary lapse in judgement and resulting confusion over a lot of the nonsense written in response to it. 

I know 4.17 is clearly BS, didn’t watch it, but even many amazing fiction writers wrote post episode stories, it still feels impossible, like our Betty would never doubt her love for Jughead over Archie.

Betty WOULD NEVER.

I am still pissed about it.

[dmux86]

Chapters: 1/1 Fandom: Riverdale (TV 2017) Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Betty Cooper/Jughead Jones, Archie Andrews/Veronica Lodge, Alice Cooper/FP Jones II Characters: Betty Cooper, Jughead Jones, Archie Andrews, Veronica Lodge, FP Jones II, Jellybean Jones, Hiram Lodge, Cheryl Blossom, Alice Cooper (Archie Comics), Fangs Fogarty, Toni Topaz, Mary Andrews Additional Tags: Minor Archie Andrews/Betty Cooper, Implied/Referenced Cheating, Minor Cheryl Blossom/Toni Topaz, Jughead Jones Needs a Hug, Jughead Jones Loves Betty Cooper, Betty Cooper Loves Jughead Jones, jughead jones needs a new beanie cause the betty-beanie is tainted, Graduation, post 4x17, post 4x18, Angst, Ambiguous/Open Ending Series: Part 3 of One Wrong Kiss... More Then One Path Forward Summary:

Yet another idea about how this might all shake out, based on where we stand after 4x18 and the idea of this all blowing up very publicly... saw the idea of it being at prom on Tumblr but thinking about it more graduation might work even better.

[varchieforever]

More new Riverdale 4x18 stills posted by Roberto and Brian

[aliciarm]

The Sahara is more inhabited than the Barchie shipp.

[thetaoofbetty]

Let me level, no Archie hate (a lot of Archie dislike at moments) but sexual compatibility is a real thing in a relationship. When you’ve spent 4 seasons building that and showing your audience snippets of it? Come onnnnn lol

Hello gorgeous!

Yeah, I mean, I don’t know who needs to hear this but it’s A Thing. 

Like, I’m not even trying to pass judgment on Archie, it’s just clearly been shown that they’re into different things. Which is fine! The naughtiest thing they did in the bunker was hold hands awkwardly while Betty is down to save a horse by riding a Jones. 

If people think that bughead (to prop their ship up) have no chemistry but the actors that play them were/are/who knows anymore in a relationship, I don’t know how young they are but that’s seriously being willfully obtuse. You don’t date people you don’t have chemistry with. It fizzles out real quick. 

I mean, what can I say? If you want sex in your relationships, you gotta wanna fuck ‘em. In a I can’t wait, this needs to happen right now, all my hormones are in my lower half right now sort of way. You just do. 

[bugheadchemistry]

Jughead > Archie

[shymeg]

Why are people blaming Lili for the horrible writing? I'm just glad I can't see it on my dash.

It's not Lili's fault unless she's secretly a writer for the show. Maybe helped out with a few suggestions. Otherwise the writers made Betty (blah and unfaithful and not communicating with Jug) she has no say in it.

Sooo I hope I don't see blogs going after Lili for Betty's actions.

You can still be disappointed in Betty but that's still the writers fault. It was all done for the sake of drama and her not telling Jug is also for that reason Drama. Which is just sad and pathetic.

[go-ldy]

Some more thoughts on 4x18. 

The theme of the episode was very much “things are not as they seem:”

It seemed like Hiram had finally turned a corner on his past mafia ways, but unbeknownst to Veronica, he had not.

It seemed like Ethel was up to no good/somehow connected to the voyeur but she was just trying to protect Betty and Jughead.

It seemed like Betty and Archie were struggling with feelings for each other, but they were confusing it with nostalgia/longing for the past (at least, on Betty’s end, we still don’t really know what Archie was feeling).

It seemed like Kevin, Toni, Fangs, and Reggie were involved in an illegal tickling ring...... yeah I got nothing for this one. That is a plot that happened.

I have seen some critiques that Cheryl being the one to give Betty much needed clarity in 4x18 and that if it hadn’t been for Cheryl, Betty would have continued things with Archie. And... IDK? Even before Cheryl speaks to her, Betty’s exploration of her feelings for Archie are centred on her diaries and flashbacks to their shared past. In other words, on nostalgia. The fact that Cheryl helps her realize that tracks with Betty’s narrative in 4x18. Betty was literally caught up in the fantasy of the past.

Maybe it would have had more impact coming from someone like Kevin. Maybe. Maybe not. Cheryl is perceptive and she is blunt and she has been caught up in this garbage plotline from the get-go. I always thought it was kind odd that Cheryl went from declaring Betty on suicide watch post Jughead’s “death” to ~that looked pretty real to me, cousin~ an episode later. (I should add it was also odd to me that Betty went from the “worst 36 hours” of her life to ~who will I choose~ a week later but this is the fresh hell of being a Riverdale fan, I am accepting and dealing with it). So Cheryl had front-row seats for this debacle and had some time to form opinions about all of this. Maybe that made her the perfect person to give advice to Betty. (And who knew that Cheryl was secretly rooting for bughead all this time, bless).

Also like... Riverdale isn’t that deep?  I just don’t think we were supposed to watch that scene and think “no Cheryl is just confusing the point, Betty would have run away with Archie if Cheryl hadn’t confused her and therefore this epiphany is invalid.” This is not a subtle show lol. It is in fact maybe the least subtle show of our time.

[imreallyloveleee]

I think Riverdale plays around with ba/childhood memories/innocence like something tied together. Almost every conversation that they have (alone) talked about their chilhood; even the holding hands scene (supposed to be a romantic one?. Its a perfect parallel of when they did the same in their chilhood) in the 4.18 show its like they were trying to reminiscent their past, they did that when Riverdale was a pure and innocent town. +

+ Also if the writers try to show that was something that always been there with flashbacks of things that happened 3 years ago (1.1/1.2 and a bh prompted kiss) (even the 4x15 kiss don't appear) and betty thinking about her feelings for Archie while read her childhood diaries doesn't make sense. (Like nothing in this storyline)

Yeah, I agree that it is a nostalgia thing for both of them, wrapped up in memories of when their lives were less complicated, as opposed to genuine feelings they’ve been harboring. 

But: “there once was something there” is not the same thing as “there’s always been something there.” As evidenced by the fact that they had to go all the way back to the pilot episode to find content where one (not even both!) of these characters had romantic interest in the other.

Bottom line, I don’t buy that Betty would confuse nostalgia for simpler times with romantic feelings, especially not when her current boyfriend is the one who’s been a stabilizing force for her throughout all of the subsequent crazy times.