#P3 Nyx by the way that's probably important to mention

[woolmasterleel]

I have a felting/knitting/etc etc session with friends in a few days and I haven't felted anything for myself in years so it is time. Slowpoke or Nyx, I'm leaving it to the internet

I wanted to post with without context so bad

[kationella]

Shut up I've figured my headcanon out:

You may be asking, "what the fuck am I looking at?"

This is my explanation on why everything in Persona its Nyarly's fault:

(Be warned, there's a lot of personal headcanons so that this clusterfuck makes sense)

It all begins with Nyarlathotep because of course it does. His mere existence defies all laws about time and space, since he can travel wherever whenever he pleases. Just let it be known that Nyarly exists in all the timelines at the same time, which is why he influences the creation of the General Kiyotada Sumaru to take a petty revenge on the Other Tatsuya from Innocent Sin. As I said, time is meaningless when talking about this fucker.

SO, Kiyotada founds Sumaru City and kills Maihime, but we must remember that although he was created by Nyarly, he ended up becoming a real historical person. A real person with strong ties to the supernatural. This is probably the first time in the current timeline where a human dealt with demons/shadows. After his death, Junnosuke Kuroda founded the Mokujinken martial arts school, which I headcanon as having preserved some ancient supernatural texts because that's cool.

On the other hand, Kandori must have somehow become a supernatural believer. He strikes me as someone who was once a science-and-logic-only type. Let's say he found some of Kiyotada's legacy with a bit of help from Nyarly, fucked around, found it was true and decided to do as Nyarly said to gain more power.

Meanwhile, Nyarly got started on his main quest by corrupting Jun and creating the Masked Circle. True, they don't exist in this timeline, but he may have used the aftermath of Innocent Sin as a way to see which ones had membership material for the New World Order. This time he's going big or going home. The NWO has had more years to prepare, and its made up of various influential individuals (not the MOST influential, just local influential, if you get my drift). Think of them as a local Illuminati.

Among its members we can find a taiwanese mafia (Tien Tao Lien) who were blackmailed into joining for muscle; the remnants of Kandori's SEBEC japanese branch, who have all the supernatural knowledge around here thanks to Nyarly; and the recently formed Kirijo Group, since Kouetsu Kirijo wanted to understand the Plumes of Dusk he just found (finally something that wasn't Nyarly's fault) and the NWO was the only organization with the knowledge to help him. Not to mention, that power domination idea didn't sound too bad. You can look up the individual members in the P2 wiki.

So, NWO breaks apart and as it happens with big organizations, everyone tries to flee with the best part of it to try their luck. Since Kouetsu didn't compromise as much as his fellow members, it was easier for him to recover and just grab everything (and everyone!) important before running away with his company. The remnants were left to lick their wounds as the fragile Conspiracy. For now, these guys have no true power beyond meetings of rich people to suck up each other and talk shit about everyone else, so let's focus on Kirijo.

You may have noticed that this mess has outlived Nyarly's plans, not that he wouldn't approve.

The Kirijo Group becomes obsessed with the Fall and creates Strega and SEES... you have read or played P3, you know what's up. Let's add to this the fact that they also stole all the important files from the NWO, which is why they know where and how to find kids with the potential, which was a technique the previous organization used to recruit teens into the Masked Circle. Now, the Kirijo Group uses it to round up 100 kids for Strega (I look away as I pass the "Chidori Yoshino is the daughter of Natsumi Yoshino" to you).

SEES fucks up Strega's plans even after they formed the Nyx Cult to slander them. Maybe the cult is still around but with no true power beyond some world-ending fanatics. Afterwards, Mitsuru takes the reigns of the Kirijo Group and forms the Shadow Operatives, which will also become a part of the japanese NPA SB. The Nanjo Group eventually catches on and reveals their supernatural knowledge. Finally a good organization. P4 doesn't add much except new members to the Shadow Ops.

However, the Conspiracy is still around. Weak, but alive and ripe for the taking. Yaldabaoth realized this and gave them true power by flaring up the rumor system once more and throwing a feral Akechi at them. Then it became easy to steal Maruki and Wakaba's research to gain some knowledge on what the fuck to do. They reorganize as the Antisocial Force and get to business. Oh, boy. Nyarly would have hated this one, with the "total order" Yaldy wants to impose and all...

The Phantom Thieves take down their figurehead, but it isn't until they dismantle the whole EMMA situation that they deliver the final blow that breaks apart the organization. From then on, without true supernatural power to go on, they slowly disappear.

Conclusion: Everything is Nyarly's fault. Thanks a lot asshole

[sillyfudgemonkeys]

Which arcana do you think fits FeMC besides fool?

Ok so I’ve been meaning to write an analysis for like……4 ormore years on this. But to summarize my basic idea, besides Fool (and Death obvs), Ithink FeMC ties pretty well with the Sun arcana…which in turn means MaleMC tieswith the Moon arcana (tbh it’s kind of ironic considering I may or may not have writtenlengthy analysis about Hamuko from The Fools’ Tournament as the Moon cause theauthor said so and it fits her more for that fanfic 8U). Ngl I think they canboth switch if they want (from what I can tell those two arcanas work prettyfluidly with each other, esp when discussion positive readings vs negativereadings), but I think the FeMC would best be described as a Sun arcana person ina Moon arcana world.

(under the cut cause kinda lengthy, but it’s also kinda thecliffnotes version of a more in depth essay I wanna write later)

Considering how day and night play a big role in this game Idon’t think it’s too far fetched. Especially with how both Sun and Moon arcanasplay in both routes and feel important in different ways (Sun being a dying manwhom both MCs will essentially join later in the afterlife as well as both his design resembling Messiah later; and then with theMoon on the male side whom is basically foreshadowing the end month of P3 alongwith the fact he looks like a chubbier maleMC and the MC is apparently the doppelganger of Nozumi’s fraternal twin bro; and then with Shinjiro on theFeMC where she can actually change history by saving him).

I personally like to joke to myself that both P3MCs arekinda weird love children of Tatsuya and Maya (just switch the genders andpersonality traits a bit). No really there’s a lot of similarities betweenthese 4 (and it might be because of how one came after the other and the FeMCwas originally part of P3 before they ran outta money and time andaofdns;aflka; my poor baby ;w;). Like, ok let’s play a game, tell me who this is: A brown haired,red-eyed (which are sometimes portrayed as brown for some reason in someofficial works I dunno Atlus can’t seem to decide), possibly (by which I meantotally) bisexual MC whom apparently has a lot of admirers at school, kind ofhas a crap love life, esp with one of their love interests being associatedwith the Moon arcana dying, luckily they have a blonde hair girl who is totallyin love with them, they have a motorcycle key in their possession, have aninitial persona who’s primary magic is fire, has signature personas who’srelated to music, has a prime/modified version of their initial persona, whoare kind of maybe the reason the world might be ending, and they sacrificesomething important so that their friends can have normal lives. So who came tomind? Tatsuya or FeMC? The answer should be both. 8U 

(also side note, I figuredP5MC wouldn’t be able to date guys cause I cracked the code long ago guys, onlyway you can date both genders in Persona is if you have an MC with at leastbrown hair and red eyes, so like atlus should’ve just scrapped P5MC and justmade Goro or Makoto the main character if you wanted to date both genders 8U)

Ok ok, enough goofing around, let’s talk about the actual arcana. I do feel like the FeMC experiences both the positive andreversed arcana (actually depending on your choices it feels like itfluctuates).

Positives meaning:(Youthful) Optimism, energy, clarity of thought, creativity/new ideas,enlightenment, and reality

Positives in game:All of these are shown throughout the game. FeMC has been said to be “optimistic”on countless occasions (to the point she feels similar to Maya even having ashout-out to Maya’s signature catchphrase). In P3P the unstable Tartarus dayswere introduced, bringing certain floors and a new line “you’ve come up withnew combat ideas you should be able to gain more exp on this floor.” She isshown to have a lot of energy (even commented on it by people, exampledepending on your choice when you first meet Ms. Toriumi). LastlyEnlightenment, tbh this fits the MaleMC as this is what they basically achievewhile fighting Nyx. Also same with MaleMC, “reality” can be read choosing to letRyoji live and facing the reality of death or whatever. 8U

Negatives meaning:Vanity, Fantasy, everything is clouded, cynicism (also one or two placesmentioned the feeling of being “left out”)

Negatives in game:Choosing to kill Ryoji could mean the MCs indulding in the fantasy of notknowing Nyx is coming. The one I really want to focus on is the cynicism….Now you can play her as kind/optimistic pretty much to the end, or you can playher as harsh/cynical….but there’s something interesting looking at the male vsthe female routes, in the male route he starts kind of cold/neutral and as thegame goes on he gets more…”positive” dialogue options. FeMC, however, has alarge range of emotions from the start, but as the game goes on she gets morenegative options (tbh I’m not surprised, her love life is a mess, one boyeither dies or is in a coma, one leaves her to go home to France after sayinghe loves her, one states he can’t be with her until he becomes a “better man,” oneis a guy who has sister issues and is a pain to romance, one is a kid and evenif she claims she’ll wait for him she’ll just end up hurting him even more, oneof your friends turns you down cause he already had/has girl issues, one isdeath itself and leaves you after saying he’s basically gonna kill you, yourrobot almost died on you and is now coming out of the closet just in time forthe FeMC to die on her….god I’m not surprised she’d want to personally shootall of Strega in the head herself. Like “the world’s ending, no one loves me,come at me bro”). In terms of feeling left out, I feel like this applies alot  more to the FeMC than the MaleMC,while other characters will do stuff off screen to forward the plot, theimplications of their actions to the P3MCs are different. MaleMC probably hasn’tor can’t SL with them, so while he may feel out of the loop it’s not like it’sreally negative. FeMC, however, has the ability to SL her team as soon as theyjoin or come back from injury *cough Akihiko* (barring Mitsuru and Aigis causereasons), so when a teammate does something off screen, I dunno like confidingin another character instead of their supposed “best friend” the FeMC, it mayimpact the FeMC more. It makes her feel even more left out considering she ismuch closer.

Other Associations:Fire and Masculinity

Other Associations ingame: Fire obvs points to Orpheus. But Masculinity, oh I bet you thoughtyou got me here, but nope. If  the FeMCequips Mara Theo comments how “unlady-like” it is, Liz says the same thing asshe says to  the MaleMC “Tee-hee howmanly” (at least if you romance her that is she’ll say that 8U). On top of thefact….she has a choice to have Liz as her VR attendant…. Cause VR Attendantsare supposed to represent the anima/animus of their guest: Theo is the FeMC’sanimus (aka  in the unconscious of a woman it is expressed as a masculine innerpersonality) while Liz, Margaret, and Twins are the P3MaleMC, P4MC, andP5MC’s anima (aka in the unconscious of a man thisarchetype finds expression as a feminine inner personality). So if FeMC is female, she should just have anAnimus right? Yet she can have Liz….which means she represents the Anima….whichmeans….she’s there to basically balance out the FeMC’s (hidden) masculinity? 8UMight be why she gets along with the guys so well (even actually having friend…orshould I say “bro” routes in her SLs 8U), and maybe why she kinda has similar “flirty dialogue” that the MaleMC has with the girls (cause it’s pretty much copy and pasted over 8U). (as for if MaleMC matches with theMoon’s more “feminine” reading, I dunno he seems more interested in the ladiesthan the men in his SLs so he’s pretty women focused…in a way).

I would be inclined to think that Star arcana would fit her too (cause optimism theme as well, and cause a star persona is used to create her ultimate weapon….and cause cause the star arcana seems to be a theme with Hashino’s Persona era tho it mostly applies to P4/5), but that fits more with naive optimism while Sun kinda has to face the harshness of the world yet still find a positive outlook. Considering the running “gag” (not really a gag in most cases) since P2, Sun arcana characters tend to find themselves in bad situations and have to struggle to find a positive outlook. I feel the FeMC’s situation becomes very…dire like the other Sun arcana characters (like I said above “the world’s ending, no one loves me, everyone leaves me out, come at me bro”). You could interpret that she could start off as Star and then switch to Sun (naive then maturing basically) as the game goes on, I mean Star does come before Sun (with Moon in the middle) so….yeah….FeMC’s side could just be 3 arc Star->Moon->Sun story (but, again, I think Sun fits her the best 8U)