#Olivette Discourse

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He Shall Come to His End

36 “And the king shall do as he wills. He shall exalt himself and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak astonishing things against the God of gods. He shall prosper till the indignation is accomplished; for what is decreed shall be done. 37 He shall pay no attention to the gods of his fathers, or to the one beloved by women. He shall not pay attention to any other god, for he shall…

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Does Matt 24 really tell us about the Rapture after the Great Tribulation? Like in Luke 17:34-37?

We all know that God has different programs for Israel and the Church for the last days, but that they co-mingle in the end. But have you ever wondered why we do not distinguish between the messages in the bible that are being addressed to Israel and those being addressed to the Church?

The reason why so many Christians have a post-Trib view of the Harpazo is because they read ALL the prophecies and parables as applicable to the Church, when there are prophesies and parables that are for the Church to learn from, but are applicable only to Israel. THIS IS MAINLY BECAUSE PASTORS FAIL TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION, AND TO TEACH THAT DISTINCTION. For example, the Upper Room Discourse is for the Church, but the Mount Olivette Discourse pertains to the Jews.

Another example, Luke 17:34-37 gives us these verses, and many take this to be about the Church's Harpazo. But take a close look at how the Lord answers the question as to where those taken will be going in v37. Very strange reply. Until you realize this is not about the Church, but about the Jews who survive the Great Tribulation. Only those Jews reconciled with God will enter the Millenial Kingdom while the rest gets a PHILIP-LIKE HARPAZO OF LOCATION and are brought into judgment. The Lord here is addressing the Jewish nation, not the Church.

Luke 17:34-37

[34] "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

[35] Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

[36] Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

[37]And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, WHERESOEVER THE BODY IS , THITHER WILL THE EAGLES (VOLTURES in some translations) BE GATHERED TOGETHER ."

Would you really like to be part of this post-Trib Harpazo where the destination is birds gathering around and feeding on dead bodies?

Similarly, Matt 24 is being addressed not to the Church but to the Jews - "pray that your flight be not on the Sabbath" and "When you see the abomination that causes desolation.... those in Judea, flee to the mountains..." say it all. If you're a Gentile believer, this is not for you. Gal 2:7 tells us that there are prophecies and warnings for the Jews that are distinct from that for the Gentiles. The Harpazo in Matt 24 is no different from that of Luke 17. The Harpazo of the Church is in 1Cor 15:52, written by the Apostle to the Gentiles.

The parable of the 10 virgins pertains to the Jews who enter the Great Tribulation in unbelief (lack of oil or lack of the seal of the Holy Spirit) up to the point of the Lord's return. They would be waiting for the Pharisaical version messiah, not the Messiah they rejected in the First Advent. Those with oil had reconciled with God in their affliction (Hosea 5:15) during the Great Tribulation. The Church, already "hidden", is the bride in this parable. Think: if these virgins were representative of the Church, then who is the bride representing in this parable? And this would necessarily mean that some of those who wait for the Lord will be losing their salvation! Those virgins without oil are representative of Israelis who are waiting for the wrong messiah, those who CONTINUE to reject the One they rejected in the first advent.

Messianic Jews of today - those who are already reconciled with God - will of course be Raptured together with the Gentile Church.

By the way, if you belong to a church that is dismissive of Israel's  role in end time prophecy, that subtly or openly teaches anti-Semitism, you should flee that church posthaste. You are being set up to be corralled among the goats. The verdict "Depart from Me, I never knew you" awaits you there.

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What Were the Days of Noah Really Like?

(By Jeff Roberts) Most of us are familiar with the information Jesus shared with Peter, James, John and Andrew (Peter’s brother) on the Mount of Olives often referred to as the Olivette Discourse. Christ is sharing with the Apostles what would be the sign of his return and the “end of days” mentioned in:

· Matthew 24, 25 · Mark 13 · Luke 21-22

Matthew took shorthand because he was a tax collector so what he wrote is almost verbatim. One of the signs Jesus uses to illustrate the signs of his coming is the “Days of Noah”. Before He starts off describing the signs of His coming He issues a dire warning and command, He says “take heed that no man deceive you”. Most people take this passage for granted and prevents many Bible-believing Christians from having a strong understanding of what the “Days of Noah and Lot” were about.

This is because Lucifer doesn’t want people to understand the times in which we live. Many, including great scholars, view this is a time of unprecedented sinfulness which it is without a doubt. If this were truly the case then why are we still here? Many believe that we are living in the “Days of Noah and Lot” now. Failure to understand what the “Days of Noah” were about it will inhibit your ability to truly understand much of what the Old and New Testament was really about. In order to truly grasp what this period was like we need to look at what the scripture says in its original context and its original language.

It’s important to know that the Old Testament was translated into the common (koine) Greek language by Ptolemy II Philadelphus of Egypt between (285-246 BC). This translation is known as the Septuagint meaning 70 (LXX) which the High Priest of Jerusalem was ordered to translate the Bible in which he commissioned six elders from each of the twelve tribes (72) to translate the Hebrew Bible into Greek. The purpose of this was because that was the common language everyone spoke at the time. Greek was extremely precise language. Every verb is required to fit 5 conditions.

There is also a misconception when it comes to books that are outside what many refer to as canonized scripture. Many Biblical scholars throughout history including the prophets and writers in the Old Testament as well as the prophets were keenly aware of other text and writings that were around in their time as well as other cultural beliefs and sacred text and have often cited sources outside the Bible especially in commentaries. You will find the older the commentary the more accurate it will be. The Bible itself refers to the books of Jasher and Jubilees as go to sources and Jude quotes the Book of Enoch. There were also Jewish historians like Josephus Flavious, that provide further insight into a myriad of topics. I would equate this today as when we reference books today from such authors Jonathan Cahn, Chuck Missler or Perry Stone books. Just because they are not inspired doesn’t mean they are useless or fiction.  This series will continue –