#OldIssues

[closedspeciesproof]

Gatorbite

“Beware of Artist: Gatorbite

ACCOUNTS: gatorbite on FA, gatorsbite on DA, tortle on FA, tortle on tumblr, tortle on weasyl

Making this post because, while we were linked to another post, not all of the evidence on said post was solid, so this one is going to be purely a collection of evidence!

REASON FOR BEWARE: Failure to deliver commissons (in a timely manner or at ALL), manipulative behavior.

These A_B posts show two of many commissioners not recieving their commissions: http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/848670.html + http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/873487.html

This st.ash shows an instance of manipulation. Note the “I get real bad anxiety when talking about things in public”, but then choosing to discuss the issue in public (which the commissioner called them out on multiple times).

This st.ash shows another instance of manipulation. Thankfully, the other party basically lays it all out for you in their breakdowns, so I don’t have to.

If you have any further evidence regarding this artist, feel free to send it our way!

- Mod Mod” From blog: FuckingFurries

[divinelifecoach]

Five planets in retrograde… Boy it’s whooping my tail. #retrograde #energy #oldissues #cleanitout #dashboarddiaries https://www.instagram.com/p/CQRHjMWBpKu/?utm_medium=tumblr

[smoky-sumis-studio]

. . . . I S S U E . #1951 #oldissue #motormagazine #hotrods #blackandwhite #vintagephotography #classiccarsculture #vintagelifestyle #teenageculture #1950sculture #inspiration #sasoriovt #sasorioldvalley https://www.instagram.com/p/B2iU7EwgI1K/?igshid=pfubuoavwfmq

[vaultermagazine]

Issue number 3 - the year was 2012. . #vaultermagazine #vaulterclub #polevault #polevaulting #polevaultcommunity #polevaultfamily #America #instagood #oldissue #magazine #altiuspoles #gillathletics #trackbagworld #vsathletics #fibersport #polebags #usedpolesbro #polevaultlove #goodtimes https://www.instagram.com/p/B4JuHgSnQJj/?igshid=thb6k0oi3vxc

[csdproof]

Zceesin

Because I forgot to put this in:

Before the Zmeyahub owner left the group, it was allowed for leaving users to take their designs with them. It was after the Zhub owner left (fuck it I’m calling the Zhub owner Z and zerogen owner 0 because I am lazy), they 0 tried to revoke the designs and then proceed to implement a rule saying to tell them why someone is leaving the group as said here:

“I’m no longer interested in participating in the species, but I’d like to take the character design with me.

**Note this is not allowed for DTA designs**

Link to Zerogen Database ID: Reason for Voiding: [Optional]

You will also need to understand that in voiding Zerogen there is a high potential for you to be blocked or removed from the group if you do not provide a reasoning or I elect that your reasoning is against my policy.”

Source: https://zeris-official.deviantart.com/journal/Voiding-Zerogen-682627861

This was created after Z left the group. In a shellnut, if they don’t like your reason for leaving, you’re blocked and removed from the group (which is redundant if you plan to leave so like???)

As this went on, 0 had replaced the images of Z’s ex-zerogens with an image of their character when it was a Koltherian that was a meme but can easily be seen as 0 telling Z to “go to hell” due to the immediate drama AND using it as a “filler” image  for a replacement zerogen.

Proof: https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18698107_1739628479395617_6603775530594205232_n.jpg?oh=3f8034b674faf90859167962d276cabd&oe=5A297BE8

0 had hidden my comment after I said that this filler image wasn’t cool and replied with this:

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18767710_1739628566062275_3897331727618673124_n.jpg?oh=afe4190ea5d44e3bdc6c2771c6ad71af&oe=5A27983E

In regards to my notes with 0 and their partner, these are screens I had shared with Z, showing the full logs of the notes:

https://pastebin.ca/3855195

http://pastebin.ca/3855197

Now, I don’t very much like being lied to. Because of what I have seen and been told by, the stories that 0 and their partner have given me don’t lineup right. I know Z to be honest with me, and the fact that 0 had twisted a reason to ban me from their group as harassment because of these notes where I’m just doing what my role says (Rule Enforcer) just makes me believe Z and others more than 0. I was doing my job and sending formal warnings because before the rules were revised to say there were warnings in zhub, it was initially a one week ban right off the bat, so this was me being nice.

“If you do choose to be active in other species communities, you MAY NOT EVER, make a public journal (or anything of the sort) listing off WHY you like a particular species more than another. It’s cruel and hurtful to the other species owners and could get you and I in trouble. Treat the other species with respect and I have no problem with you owning one of mine and that of others

(including species owned by persons on my banned list)”

Source: https://zerogen.deviantart.com/journal/Group-Rules-649414772

-Under “Group Rules”, second to last listed.

She’s also implimented this rule for some reason and I think it’s pretty shit to do. May potentially hurt her feels if someone says another species is better than zerogens methinks? Either way, it’s really unfair to shame someone over preference, especially if they’re singling out groups run by people they dislike. Seems a bit hypocritical to single out groups run by persons “on their banned list”.

Saw the posts without evidence so I’m sending proofs of Zceesin creator telling that they are 15 instead of 18.

Both proofs are from their Discord server.

Giving two screenshots - first is from the announcements chat, where only they can post, and second is from regular chat with people reacting to the message.

I added red walls in places where servers, nickname and all people are showing to protect mine and their privacy.

http://i.imgur.com/bDCYs0y.png

http://i.imgur.com/rRqZwWb.png

I hope these are enough to be actually posted, because issue with this person is actually big - they were posting NSFW art and being on NSFW chats all over discord, which made people really uncomfortable.

If it’s possible, I would like to stay anonymous too, thanks! I’m also giving the evidence of the person being the creator of Zceesin and the server owner as you asked: http://i.imgur.com/VUArnwh.png

It’s on the top of the list as “king”, if you need better examples, I can provide them.

[arango54321]

While repairing my smartphone.. I found that I couldn't see worth a crap without doubling up my reading glasses! Ugh... not a good look! Lol #readingglasses #aging #oldissues #eyesgonebad #gettingoldsucks #smartphone #diyguy by bxtreme3 https://flic.kr/p/TpB9w5

[gaiatarot13-blog]

Here's today's Angel card! New beginnings are on their way to you. You just have a little bit of leftover stuff that you need to finish up. Resolve what's left so you can start on a clean slate. You do not want to bring baggage from an old situation into a new one. #angel #oracle #daily #reading #newbeginnings #resolve #oldissues #cleanslate #releasebaggage www.GaiaTarot13.com for personal readings.

[octoberfashion]

Hello my name is Tamarah and I have a magazine problem.

- Not this bad,but you get the picture.

****You know you subscribed to a lot of fashion magazines when you have to recycle old issues often. I originally started getting them certain classes,but now I read to keep up on the trends and etc. ****

[csdproof]

Mute-owl

http://mute-owl.deviantart.com/journal/The-flaws-with-Closed-Species-and-artist-rules-681278639 (http://archive.is/NcEIm)

[arango54321]

While repairing my smartphone.. I found that I couldn't see worth a crap without doubling up my reading glasses! Ugh... not a good look! Lol #readingglasses #aging #oldissues #eyesgonebad #gettingoldsucks #smartphone #diyguy by bxtreme3 http://flic.kr/p/TpB9w5

[csdproof]

Varigo vs Mohnot + Mishelk

Varigo vs Mohnot + Mishelk Chittercida Knockoffs

There’s a few that Varigo didn’t mention that I think are fairly similar? Judge for yourself

http://mishelk.deviantart.com/art/A-D-O-P-T-O-P-E-N-656776568

http://chittercida.deviantart.com/art/90-Interstellar-614338963

- Debatable, most of the design is covered in long black fur but the striping and gradient on the side, head and overall palette look ‘borrowed’ from the chitter

http://mishelk.deviantart.com/art/A-D-O-P-T-C-L-O-S-E-D-655994465

http://chittercida.deviantart.com/art/71-Pretty-Poison-610055510

- I’d say very very similar. Horns, skull, ears same, markings taken basically entirely, also took the piercings/jewelry?? and tongue colour.

Also possibly a fairytail knockoff??

http://mohnot.deviantart.com/art/adopt41-closed-664455138

http://cheepers.deviantart.com/art/Fairytail-Auction-4-Closed-581044075

- Very debatable, but I’ve come back to the comparision a few times. Smaller but? popiular species I think

It KILLS ME that I do actually enjoy some of the art of Mohnot + Mishelk, but if I can’t tell what’s original and what’s stolen/‘borrowed’ I’m not going to buy/commission them intentionally

Which is unfortunate as they do some nice outfits and ornate stuff

drama supper

Hi it’s me varigo. tbh I was super stalking this blog when stuff came up about me and mohnot, really interested to see unfiltered opinions and trying to decide whether or not I was being too sensitive about the whole situation. Honestly, I’m not ok with mohnot and what they’re doing AT ALL and I haven’t done anything about it because 1, I had faith that copying me was a phase and they’d find their way eventually and 2, I have Big anxiety. But I’m over it. Here’s the story. It’s kind of long so you could just look at the images and decide for yourself how you feel.

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Last summer I got a few concerned notes about these adoptables who’s skull faces were similar to mine. I’m not possessive about skull face creatures, people made them before me and people will make them after me. I am possessive about the specifics of my art. It’s small stuff, but it’s /my/ stuff.

These are the adoptables One thing I really can’t stop myself from saying is that these designs are kind of hella? But I feel like I can’t trust any of mohnot’s work based on my experience and the experience of others. If you’re interested, I could bother another artist they’ve definitely “referenced” and see if they still have the screencaps.

Side by side of their adoptable and one of mine. Obv not traced but also obv referenced. They even included the structural line across the bridge of the nose that I hadn’t erased.

This was the first time anything like this had ever happened to me, but idk. I think I handled it as well as I could.

sorry about the weird order, they deleted the conversation as it went on. I just didn’t want to let the copied skull thing go without having done anything. The people who bought the designs at least had a right to know, I think? They didn’t reply after 3. In hindsight, “I don’t want this to be more complicated than it has to be” sounds way more threatening than I meant for it to. I just meant I didn’t want to have to go around noting people and then have mohnot deny they referenced my stuff. Which is what happened anyway so whatever.

I omitted usernames but if it’s needed, I’ll ask them if they’re ok vouching for me. One buyer wasn’t happy with the similarity and the other one already knew. Mohnot refused them refunds which is her right I guess. Wasn’t really a big deal.

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These adotables went up a little while after that. The species is a little too close for comfort but I would have let it go. It’s the fact that mohnot had stolen from me before stacked on top of the stolen (or referenced, idk) designs and palettes. and not 2 b petty but ‘son of mars’ is a name i’ve used for one of my adoptables in the past http://varigo.deviantart.com/art/Tiny-siren-flatsale-closed-547974600 which someone else said to me was probably done to spite me. I don’t know, I just thought it was weird.

This time I was annoyed and I made a journal asking people not to buy these adoptables. I deleted the journal a little while ago because I thought they were done.. referencing my stuff and I didn’t want to needlessly besmirch them, but please believe that I was gentle as All Fuck and asked people not to comment. A couple people did anyway but I was mad and of the mindset “If I can’t stop mohnot from stealing my stuff, I can’t stop people from getting mad about them stealing my stuff”. You can fault me for being too salty. I was really, really salty. The adoptables were deleted.

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These adoptables went up a while after that: http://mohnot.deviantart.com/art/adopts-batch-closed-655965431 Honestly… not too bad? The anatomy is, again, a Little too close for comfort considering my history with mohnot, but, again, I WOULD HAVE LET IT GO, EXCEPT there was now someone else with a similar style also referencing my designs.

obvious:

http://mishelk.deviantart.com/art/A-D-O-P-T-C-L-O-S-E-D-655753678 (theirs) http://chittercida.deviantart.com/art/77-Swamp-Lord-612040451 (mine)

http://mishelk.deviantart.com/art/A-D-O-P-T-C-L-O-S-E-D-655994465 (theirs) http://chittercida.deviantart.com/art/71-Pretty-Poison-610055510 (mine)

debatable:

http://mishelk.deviantart.com/art/A-D-O-P-T-C-L-O-S-E-D-655572763 (theirs) http://chittercida.deviantart.com/art/76-Monster-Under-the-Bed-610057203(mine)

http://mishelk.deviantart.com/art/A-D-O-P-T-C-L-O-S-E-D-656741770 (theirs) http://chittercida.deviantart.com/art/103-Champagne-Supernova-626537324(mine)

Didn’t help that mohnot left comments on their profile. I figured they were friends.

I made a quick journal, agian, just asking people not to buy the designs. This journal was maybe a bit crass and short, I didn’t feel like preaching like last time. I just said, “these make me uncomfortable, don’t buy them”. Mohnot sent me a note this time.

I highlighted bits that confirmed that they had lied to me about not referencing my work in the past. As you can see, I wanted to communicate that I didn’t like the similarities but I’d be willing to drop it.

Can I point out that I’m being way nicer than I need to be?? I’m literally complimenting them because fuck it, they make some really cool designs! But like I said earlier, how can anybody know what’s original and what’s been referenced from another artist? That’s speculation, don’t take it to heart I guess.

Deviantion linked in the note: http://ospone.deviantart.com/art/Adopt-NUMBER-2-620895283 tbh I’m really confused about this part, because I /know/ for a fact that she had left a sarcastic comment on this deviation along the lines of “how dare you steal from varigo, you scum!!1” obviously mocking me and the people who were defending me. But comments can’t be deleted and there aren’t any hidden comments, so i honestly don’t know what happened there. You can trust me on that or not, maybe someone else who saw it can vouch for me.

Anyway, that was the end of that. Journal deleted /literally/ minutes after I posted it.

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Then the drama on this blog happened and I read everyone’s opinions and the general consensus that mohnot was not stealing from me, and I got a little salty because I have proof that she was, but I was going to let it go. Her species seemed to be going in it’s own direction so I thought eeeh fuck it.

BUT WAIT, THERE’S MORE!

http://mohnot.deviantart.com/art/Carvitalium-676880425 (hers)

This was uploaded just a little while ago. Her species reference sheet is, again, too close for my comfort. The layout I could let go but a lot of the artwork is referenced from my species sheet and I’m just not ok with it.

http://varigo.deviantart.com/art/Chittercida-651789351 (mine)

And now I see that she’s not going to stop. Like… listen, it’s not the worst thing in the world. idk maybe she’s bullying me because I’ve been such a puss through the whole thing. Maybe she likes that I keep coming back to this, but, not trying to buy your pity, I’m anxious as hell and I don’t know what the right thing to do would be. I guess… I just want people to know I’m unhappy with it. And I just want people to know the history behind this so they can come to their own conclusion. You read the whole thing and you’re not on my side? Honestly, that’d be fine. Just so long as the facts are all out there in the open.

I hope this filled your drama quota bc tbh I feel a little refreshed after letting it all out. Cheers. I won’t judge you if you still like mohnot’s stuff. I will be a little salty though. But whatever.

[csdproof]

Popokino VS Offbranders

http://popokino.deviantart.com/journal/APPARENTLY-I-M-A-BULLY-AND-A-HARASSER-NOW-XD-671486206 (https://archive.is/7mu5f)

[csdproof]

Poltergeistsp00k vs adorkablemarina

http://adorkablemarina.deviantart.com/art/FREE-FOR-ALL-DandyLyons-FEAT-P0ltergeistSp00k-672172382 http://p0ltergeistsp00k.deviantart.com/journal/need-advice-672222928 This Polt person made a base for off brand dandylyons. Adork, the creator of Dandylyons used the base for official dandylyons. Polt throws tantrum because they used Polt’s work for the closed species instead of offbrands like their rules say. Drama from revolters because they think Adork is in the wrong for not following Polt’s rules.

[csdproof]

cityofthelamb

imgur(.)com/a/nknLe love how mrgremble posted a journal concerned about peoples health and cityofthelamb had to make it into a issue over grems

Proof for City abusing their power as a Cinnadog admin: imgur*com/a/m6DRu They forbid a theme for myos without cinnabutts knowledge for religious reasons. Guess who owns a voodoo themed cinnadog? imgur*com/a/VpdmO Yes! City does. Also they forbid satanic themes, but order a satanic bagbean themself? It isnt the first time they tried to police what people can do with their myo slots. (½) http://imgur.com/a/m6DRu

http://imgur.com/a/VpdmO http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Thousand_Sunnyhttp://i.imgur.com/HJtmRUv.png“ te copyrighted cityofthelamb cinna is based on Luffy from one piece with copyrighted material all over it” “ I just realised that there are some wrong links in my proof journal: imgur*com/XPuooa2 and the journal is still up for the theme: band-of-butts*deviantart*com/journal/New-rule-on-cinna-themes-625132245″ http://band-of-butts.deviantart.com/journal/New-rule-on-cinna-themes-625132245 (http://archive.is/NDlUD)

[csdproof]

Corvidawn(Kitsumera)

Stay Away From Corvidawn

It’s inevitable that Corvidawn/Jackaldaw/Petalfox showed up on this blog, so I thought I’d make my contribution as someone who used to be her friend and admin for her species, Kitsumeras.

Corvidawn is an extremely manipulative and emotionally unstable person. This is probably due to her variety of mental illnesses, but her illnesses do not excuse the way that she treats others. She has a long record of throwing fits and making excuses when she’s called out on her poor behavior.

Proof:

The time she accused her admins/guest artists of only talking about making money off her species:

http://sta.sh/017a0ggbmbp3

My resignation due to dismissive/poor treatment: (The conversation that led up to it): http://sta.sh/01qd97la1c3i (Her excuses “validating” her behavior): http://sta.sh/01qicx3k9gzr

She has also displayed hypocrisy on many occasions:

The time when she left the admin chat because we were too “off-topic”: http://sta.sh/02afnr66hq5y

(Another instance would be the recent Sushi Dog drama.)

And finally, she has the tendency to rely on her mental illnesses and manipulate others by threatening self harm (which is mentioned in this screenshot, for those who don’t want to see it; this is also another instance of her dismissing her admins’ feelings in favor of her own): http://sta.sh/0sbl89enesl

The screenshots I provided above are Skype logs from the old Kitsumeras admin chat. Much of the toxicity happened behind the scenes. If you want DeviantART-based examples of said manipulative behavior, then Corvidawn’s been tagging/name-dropping another user and trying to defame them with half-truths: https://archive.is/lvjXs

Corvidawn has done much more than just these screenshots to the various people who’ve known her. I will not detail them per request of the main person involved, but Corvidawn is definitely someone to watch out for and avoid.

Please do not support an abuser.

Links under the read more! tl;dr = http://corvidawn.deviantart.com/journal/Done-with-Sushidogs-667533052

Sushidog blacklist: https://web.archive.org/web/20170307000752/http://sushidogs.deviantart.com/journal/Blacklist-459777971

http://sushidogs.deviantart.com/journal/Blacklist-459777971

Cancellation of contest: https://web.archive.org/web/20170307000945/http://corvidawn.deviantart.com/journal/Cancellation-of-contest-667497427

http://corvidawn.deviantart.com/journal/Cancellation-of-contest-667497427

Done with sushidogs:

http://corvidawn.deviantart.com/journal/Done-with-Sushidogs-667533052 https://web.archive.org/web/20170307001454/http://corvidawn.deviantart.com/journal/Done-with-Sushidogs-667533052

https://gyazo.com/f6ca2913bdec9303e1fb9f82c7581a81

https://gyazo.com/429ed60dcd065a28ce78e9d7852bb3d2

https://gyazo.com/50d323f7932287764ad2012cb7cb4c2e

https://gyazo.com/40cbd6ab10d851573804dc2058282e32

https://gyazo.com/974252dc64ec951bb468ed0aafa9bf15

https://gyazo.com/650801f7f01f374236bf184a5a6faec9

https://gyazo.com/1f2e6d862d17541cd8851fca93845fbd

https://web.archive.org/web/20170307002610/https://gyazo.com/f6ca2913bdec9303e1fb9f82c7581a81

https://web.archive.org/web/20170307002734/https://gyazo.com/429ed60dcd065a28ce78e9d7852bb3d2

https://web.archive.org/web/20170307002830/https://gyazo.com/50d323f7932287764ad2012cb7cb4c2e

https://web.archive.org/web/20170307002915/https://gyazo.com/40cbd6ab10d851573804dc2058282e32

https://web.archive.org/web/20170307002940/https://gyazo.com/974252dc64ec951bb468ed0aafa9bf15

https://web.archive.org/web/20170307003030/https://gyazo.com/650801f7f01f374236bf184a5a6faec9

https://web.archive.org/web/20170307003239/https://gyazo.com/1f2e6d862d17541cd8851fca93845fbd

http://prnt.sc/egvvbp

image Sushidog journal:

http://sushidogs.deviantart.com/journal/Soosh-Still-Needs-a-Home-LF-Contest-Entries-667531552

https://web.archive.org/web/20170307003743/http://sushidogs.deviantart.com/journal/Soosh-Still-Needs-a-Home-LF-Contest-Entries-667531552

Trading the soosh!

http://comments.deviantart.com/1/559181309/4339860479

https://web.archive.org/web/20170307005037/http://comments.deviantart.com/1/559181309/4339860479

[csdproof]

Gatorbite

“Beware of Artist: Gatorbite

ACCOUNTS: gatorbite on FA, gatorsbite on DA, tortle on FA, tortle on tumblr, tortle on weasyl

Making this post because, while we were linked to another post, not all of the evidence on said post was solid, so this one is going to be purely a collection of evidence!

REASON FOR BEWARE: Failure to deliver commissons (in a timely manner or at ALL), manipulative behavior.

These A_B posts show two of many commissioners not recieving their commissions: http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/848670.html + http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/873487.html

This st.ash shows an instance of manipulation. Note the “I get real bad anxiety when talking about things in public”, but then choosing to discuss the issue in public (which the commissioner called them out on multiple times).

This st.ash shows another instance of manipulation. Thankfully, the other party basically lays it all out for you in their breakdowns, so I don’t have to.

If you have any further evidence regarding this artist, feel free to send it our way!

- Mod Mod” From blog: FuckingFurries