#No dean required after s5 or midway through s6 tbh

[sounknownvoid]

Exactly.... s7,8,9 could have been filled to the BRIM with exploring all the ways luci fked sam up instead stupid leviathans or gidstiel or idiot angels....or even dean..

Fk it, I'll go there - we could totally have had a perfectly plausible,entertaining AND horrifying with UNHINGED levels of angst n codependency n heartbreaking tragedy" is this intimacy coz of love or-is-this-hate-toxic-relationships" tropes WITHOUT cartoon-character-dean n mark p n jarpad would have delivered too!...

Yeah, I said it....

"sam puts earbuds in to listen to the music of the man lucifer is possessing. lucifer possesses a man because sam used to listen to his music. the show never, ever talks about it"

There were LAYERS there built over centuries n the worst things imaginable done to sam but also that sam would have been made to be complicit in ...

After all the reason sam is lucifers vessel is coz luci was sam 1st - betrayed by father AND God, used for his powers n skills but punished for questioning authority n then betrayed by own brother n locked up with the darkness in order to "contain" the evil - said evil being also in the family .... sam was just reliving lucifers trauma - and lucifer would have been DESPERATE for sam - to have someone else UNDERSTAND him n love him n see him ....never realising that he'd become the monster in his hate n anger n self-pity after all.... where SAM was different was that he DID understand and he did empathise keenly....BUT he was all about "you're what you DO n not who you are(as told by others)" ... that boy lived his beliefs n never stopped trying to make the right choices and it was his actions that set him apart from lucifer - absolutely baffling n infuriating luci...n an ongoing battle of wills that he essentially never won even though he broke sam in so many terrible other ways n sam came back so different n broken as a result - n that dynamic would have been awesome to see play out with all its nuances n tics that those actors could bring...ah well...spn, the show of many missed opportunities

right cause the fact that lucifer acted like sam meant nothing to him once that he couldn't be used as a vessel, and then immediately went and possessed a celebrity he would have known that sam used to love. and then sam puts in earbuds to listen to that person's old music, and lies to dean about it. and its played off as a funny moment with brotherly banter but theres so much to unpack there. the last 5 seasons try really hard to forget that sam and lucifer ever had more than spn's standard antagonistic relationship, but there are moments like that one where it seeps through anyway. they spent an incomprehensible amount of time together. lucifer knows sam better than literally anyone. lucifer broke sam to an unimaginable extent. lucifer valued sam more than anything. sam never, ever talks about it. sam puts earbuds in to listen to the music of the man lucifer is possessing. lucifer possesses a man because sam used to listen to his music. the show never, ever talks about it. its just one of many occasions where the doylist explanation is "the writers did not care one bit about previously established canon in order to live out their new comedy-adventure story" and the watsonian explanation is "this shit is FUCKED UP"