#Nársil

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What's the deal with the Sun?

If you haven't read my rant on Narþil, I recommend it, because it explains how vowel and consonant length effect the meaning of words in Quenya. Link here:

So Iþil is moon and comes from the root Þil which means a white light.

Anar looks similar to nár which means fire, so it would make sense if it was in reference to that, right? But it should be Anár then.

Except here. Quoth the Eldamo!

Okay, so since the nár is in the last syllable of Anar, then that makes sense for it to be a shortened vowel.

Anárion. That makes sense. It isn't the last syllable, so it should be nár.

Narya. ... Wait.

Narvinyë. ... Hold on.

Narmancil. ... Tolkien.

Anardil. ... Professor, you had a rule.

Anarcalin. ... Mr Professor Tolkien, we had a deal!

--- One mental breakdown later ---

So, after conferring with the Council (*cough me and some people on a Silm Minecraft discord cough*), we concluded that this was a rule that Tolkien either established very early and forgot about, established late after he wrote a bunch of stuff, or Christopher forgot to put the accent thing on. :/

I also came to the conclusion that it would be Nárþil, in order to follow the rule. But I still maintain that it doesn't mean "red and white flame".

There is no reference to red. At most, I would translate it to white light flame. (Nár means fire/flame, þil means white light.) But I believe that would be thinking a doughnut is an almond (a nut) made of dough. It's more literal than intended. Why would I think that? Point 2.

There are references on Nárþil to both the Sun and Moon. I still believe it is a portmanteau of the two, Anar and Iþil.

Also, the root SIL has two meanings now: "gleam" and "white light", since the þ to s shift turned the root ÞIL into SIL as well.

Edit:

Upon further reflection, I think that it can literally mean "red and white flame" and be a reference to Anar and Iþil. But it's still Nárþil.

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Black Squirrel ve la luz con una clara intención. Y no es más que el amor por la música. Basado en proyectos donde cada matiz está cuidado al detalle, se compone con una estética clásica y una línea conceptual abierta que apuesta por la buena música y el buen hacer.

La primera referencia será el álbum debut de Nársil titulado Mesura, que saldrá en las próximas semanas.

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Narþil, not Narsil

To properly speak Quenya is to speak the Fëanárion way. We shall not sá-sí like the others who forsake their heritage. Shame on them.

This is actually something I was thinking about with a recent post I saw about Narsil. I got a little ramble-y in my reply, and I wanted to expound on it.

Narsil doesn't mean "red and white flame". It can't. Quenya (and Sindarin but the focus is Quenya) is a language where the amount of time you hold a sound changes the entire meaning of the word. I'll use a real world language that does this as well: Japanese.

(These are not real Japanese words, btw. It's just to show the principle of the thing.)

まま - mama

まあま - maama

まっま - mamma

ままあ - mamaa

All four of these words, if they were real, would mean different things just because of how long you hold a sound.

Flame/fire in Quenya is nár. It isn't Nársil (or Silnár, as sil is typically a prefix). It's Narsil. Nar and nár are two completely different words in Quenya. (I think nar means are, but don't quote me on that.)

However, there is a word that fits this better: Anar - the Quenya word for the sun. There's no á.

Sil could still work, but as I mentioned, it's typically a prefix - Silmarillë, Silmarien, etc. A different word would work here: Isil - the Quenya word for the moon. It would fit the pattern established with Anar in having the first letter taken out.

Where does the thorn (this þing) come from then? It's Isil, not Iþil, right? Technically, when written by Quenya speakers who learned the more common, and incorrect, version. Remember what Celebrimbor and Narvi made the Doors of Durin with? Ithildin. Something that is only shown under the light of the MOON. (And stars, I guess, but it sounds more like Isil than elen, sooooooooo.)

Therefore, Narþil is a sword whose name is in reference to the Sun and the Moon.

Edit:

I've conferred with my council since this, and while I still stand behind everything I said, I have come to some conclusions which can be read here.