#Mike gets so fcking tired man lol

[osdd-1bitch]

Promised ‘Mike scrolls tho the wonderland sys tags’ posts.

tw for ableism and some homophobia

*deep sigh*, to preface this long post, the wonderland system is/was a a system on tiktok who doesnt fit many peoples preconceived notions on what a DID system looks like. they have a lot of alters, nonhuman alters, a big headspace ect. so a bunch of very uneducated singlets, ableist people, and the rest dogpiled them. i mean literally making wikis and collaborative google documents about them. its incredibly weird and gross and there are a lot of deeply misinformed tiktoks on that tag im gonna give my thoughts on here.

okay so. this is me just going thru vids and talking abt them if i see one i think i could comment on but its mostly singlets asking basic questions or making fun of things we've known abt the disorder since the 90s and just..i dont recommend looking into it on your own. singlets please do basic research challenge i am so so tired.

shoutout to those ppl in this tag calling out the misinfo and blatent ableism yall are wonderful .

clarifications before we start:

1) even if these are purely jokes they arent funny and are mocking aspects of a stigmatized disorder/sowing doubt in completely possible things. ik you didnt even google DID/OSDD-1 before making your tiktok and i dont really care, that is entirely on you. and also its just ableism and annoying, yall are harassing and making whole wikis about a teenager its gross. yall literally brought kalvin garrah back to have cringe takes on DID/OSDD-1 if anyone is harming this community its you guys. and also the mocking of other disorders and disabilities? mm no.

2) i am not gonna be linking or saying any names. i dont condone these tiktokers being harassed no matter how sht they are acting, kindly dont go out of your way to spread hate or send messages or whatever but spreading actual info is appreciated.

3) if you have been harassing the wonderlandsystem kindly unfollow and block us. yall are gross.

4) im not gonna b talking abt the wonderland system directly, just the ppl talking abt them dont come at me w 'well they did (x)' i really dont care and it doesnt change the ableism towards them which is unacceptable.

-Mike/Author (he/him)

cw for general ableism / homophobia ect

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1) 'hospitals? so they have schools? and all the history that happened to make hospitals? and-'

omg you have a human alter? so you have all the billions of years of history in your headspace to make humans evolve and exist in the first place?

no. the brain can take in things from outside. this take is so incredibly asinine i dont understand how people are unironically asking this bc this could apply to literally anything bc...we as a species, and this planet all has billions of years of history. you dont need to review literally every second of history to have a alter thats a human or DID wouldnt form...literally what do you meannnn

2) 'how do the nonhuman alters know how to use tiktok??'

alters can....learn things. and talk to people. and they have a human body. nonhuman alters can be perfectly capable of learning how to function in a human body. they arent static entities. thats like asking how a 60 year old knows how to use tiktok. they have hands and and a brain people.

3) 'lol (x) species of alter??'

yes. why not.

4) '(making fun of alters having different opinions)'

they have...different personalities...and memories...and everything....why is this not allowed if they can have different accents??? yes some alters have sht opinions some ppl have sht opinions why is this funny to you.

5) 'alter is (age)!11!'

and?

6) 'they have 272 alters!!'

there have been recorded cases of more. there is literally a term for having lots of alters (and other symptoms associated) called 'polyfragmented'. also, there are people citing psychologists, to those, do they specialize in DID/OSDD-1? secondly, with the years of medical malpractice and the extremely outdated views from some of these people (many who dont even think DID/OSDD-1 exists), have any proof these people are knowledgeable on larger systems or any reason their opinion is valid?

there is no limit to how many alters/sysmates a system can have and there is no reason to make one up.

7) 'alters dating!1!'

why not.

8) 'thats inc3st11!!'

no.

9) 'DID/OSDD-1 is so rare, professionals cant agree it exists!!!'

professionals have argued if literally any disorder ever has existed. ive met a therapist who told me that nonverbal people were liars and faking. literally everything even depression has people who should be educated acting real weird that isnt proof.

also DID alone: 1-3% and its highly misdxed and probably under dxed. excluding all the other forms of OSDD-1, so disordered systems are a lot more common.

also tiktok has....an algorithm. there have been huge plural communities since forever. we have cons and meetings. what.

10) 'can the nonhuman alters/littles do (basic task)?'

maybe and maybe not. why are you so interested, and why are you laughing anyways? 'haha 3 year old alter doesnt know how to drive' why is this funny.

11) 'haha (situation) but its (alter)'s turn to front'

i dont understand why a system allowing its alters to express themselves and use the body is so funny to you? haha they have a healthy dynamic and can agree with each other on something that works?

12) 'trauma has to be rlly bad to have nonhuman alters1!!1'

no. being dehumanized in any way, or believing something nonhuman can help in some way can cause a nonhuman alter to form.

13) 'you have to be really traumatized to have a big system!1!'

okay then why are you harassing them. also big systems are a thing...and have been a thing. some systems are more prone to splitting for various reasons. calm down. or can people w ptsd not use the internet?

14) 'haha an alter is a skeleton'

considering how these people are the same ones saying you need a ton of trauma for any nonhuman alter the only reason in their minds for a skeleton would be d3@th related trauma that is incredibly extreme and nothing else. im not sure how that works well you are simultaneously making fun of the fact of forming an alter around that exact scenario/how that alter could act. make it make sense.

15) 'haha gatekeeper doing their job'

what. huh? i literally do not understand this. you do know thats what...gatekeepers do, correct?

16) 'they are queer, and have a lot of makeup and stuff'

queer kids tend to go through trauma my guy bc of homophobic ppl and stuff. also traumatized ppl tend to enjoy not looking the way they did well being absed. and it looks nice? we arent allowed to have aesthetics or look nice?

also @ that one guy who called it a 'symptom of did' fck you personally that wasnt a genuine question and was incredibly rude, both to queer people, and to systems, and we are both aware of that.

17) 'haha google doc haha discord server haha wiki'

why are you ppl so invested? but okay

18) '(actually informative video)'

thank you yall are the only good thing in this tag

19) 'they went private11!!1'

yeah probably bc of harrasment by dipshts like you?

20) 'alters can marry? this implies they have a chu-'

first response. also you dont need a specific couples therapist to help in a married relationship, they can just get a outside therapist or solve it internally and ig get divorced. they dont need a court or whatever bc its internal aaaaa please think for five seconds im begging you

21) 'how do they get food is the island self sustaining'

ah yes, my mentally constructed island must follow real world physics and our societies constructed rules of money and trading routes. there is no other option for my completely mental headspace to follow./sarc

no. what? no.

22) '(hunger games)'

you people are weird af seriously. like /gen this is weird, kindly leave them tf alone.

23) 'bc (alter) is rightwing, that means there is internal racism in the headspace'

no. alters can...interact...and have opinions....on the outside world....the leap of logic here

24) '(alter) is (big number) age!1! so that must correlate to real world experiences/history'

no. why.

25) '21 pilots bad'

this is such a strange tiktok to me. have we not grown past this age of cringe culture? 'haha band is liked by teen girls? bad.' that is literally the extent of your logic. why post this?

26) 'haha innerworld big'

why...not. why is there a size limit? whats the logic here? does it have to be a empty plane with two chairs? are systems not allowed to have nice things or anything at all? genuinely whats the logic here.

27) 'haha neopronouns'

yall are still crying abt neos??? damn i thought we were over this. outdated.

28) 'is (real world person/event/thing) real in the headspace? i need to know'

one, why do you need to know. two, maybe? considering the tiktok in question, probably not. why do you all assume the mental construct of the headspace has to follow real world logic? do yall think they straight up jump into a portal into another dimension with irl physics and sht for a innerworld. what.

29) 'they split so many alters in this one year!'

yeah...that can happen. traumatic times means...more splits....alters can split in groups. wat.

30) 'alters are only formed w extreme trauma!'

no. big or small t trauma or even stress can cause splits, especially in larger/polyfragmented systems who tend to be more prone to split in the first place.

31) 'they all have the same speech patterns!!'

masking. scripts. whatever.

32) 'my psych parent says (x)'

and. there are psychs who dont think DID exists period. there are some still preaching 'silo' theory to systems. bad professionals are a dime a dozen in DID related fields all you are doing is making me think your parent is sht at their job

33) 'haha what if they switched in a bad situation'

yes...this is one of the many drawbacks of the disorder that can make life very hard to handle? excuse me? what?

34) 'haha do you think any alters like (x)? if so, how does (x) exist?'

alters can front. they can front.

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anyways thats enough for me at this point. i might comment on the general ableism and general gross sht in this tag and how this system is just being used as an excuse to be horrible and how weird yall are acting well dogpiling this teenager but yeah.

[5sosbitchfest]

Reactions to Luke’s IG Story 6/14/2020

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: I hate her as much as the next person but bi people in straight relationships are still bi

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: I call bullshit on Messy being bi. Sorry, if she was bi, why didn't she come out earlier? Her 'haters'? Where? Also, Luke needs to learn the difference between supporting Pride and celebrating it while PR dating a fake ass 'bi' woman.

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: I also don’t think it’s fair to say Sierra has never been in a same sex relationship we really don’t know who she’s dated. This is a big problem in the LGBT community, when a bi woman is in a relationship with a man her bi identity gets erased. Halsey has actually talked about this a lot. While I agree that Lierra is not a queer couple, that does not erase Sierra’s identity as a queer woman, and pride is absolutely still for her to celebrate too 🌈

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: *i understand that it was Luke’s post but obviously she had input to post it.

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: Does Messy’s journey of her sexuality excuse her transphobia? Bc I don’t think so. She sure is selective about who and what she celebrates then. She posted that picture for attention, like everything else she does. It sounds harsh and if she wants to share her journey then great but let’s recognize and call it out for what it is. She doesn’t need to have Luke in a post to talk about her sexuality. Happy Pride Month to that person she purposely misgendered and attempted to invalidate.

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: It’s not about disliking Sierra anon. She has only officially came out in a reply on twitter that she later deleted. That’s the only time it’s been mentioned. People struggle to come out and she tweeted and deleted it as if she actually wasn’t saying it. And now her boyfriend is the one essentially coming out for her? That’s what the issue is anon she has never openly said she was bisexual and now that it’s pride month she is? This is just the first time it’s being brought up& it wasn’t even her

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: I don’t care that Luke posted good on him but him posting something for pride halfway through the month makes the other boys look inconsiderate for not posting anything

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: I'm the anon that said the thing about "lets not make this into a mikey situation" I agree that it was a complete distraction tactic, and I also can not stand Sierra I was just trying saying that even with those two things in mind the post isnt harming anyone and so we shouldn't get mad at luke for making it.

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: I hate to admit it but I don't see Lierra ending anywhere near soon. Yes, couples don't last forever and still I don't think they will but let's be honest, he cares about her. Idk how things are in their life, and I hope he's happy, but I think she will stay around for this year and maybe a bit of 2021. 🙄

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: Okey but was the "biracial" necessary? It made me cringe...

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: I know luke can be cringy when it comes to Sierra but cmon haven’t we learn by now all the cringy stuff if from Sierra being on his account lol

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: Sierra wrote that ... no caps, her grammar, fave chosen emojis etc totes her 10000000000% although glad acknowledging bisexual biracial but Angel? Angel by day and to stans but I thought she was the “late night devil”

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: Something about Luke’s ig story doesn’t sit well with me... the fact that he felt the need to state that she’s biracial and bisexual just makes it look like he’s treating her like some kind of a trophy to show off, idk it just doesn’t feel right

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: Why do L and S feel the need to make everything about S? This isn't about you, so shut up and actually get a job.

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: “beautiful bisexual biracial angel” i’m gagging and laughing so hard yeah he 100% wrote and posted that himself /sarcasm

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: I love luke and I'm happy if he's happy but the way Sierra clings to him in that photo is so gross. It really just feels like she's using him to do her dirty work. Like that post didnt feel genuine at all and it really seems like luke isnt even trying to convince us anymore he just does the bare minimum to make her happy. I dont blame him tho. Just feels icky.

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: As a straight person, I hate straight couples and hope to never be cringe.

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: I'm sorry but that Instagram story that luke posted talking about his "beautiful bisexual biracial angel🥰🥺" does NOT (capitalize, underline and bold) sound like how luke would type something. The first part where he talks about how far we have to go sounds like him but not that that part.. not even close. Want to bet either sierra typed it, gave him the idea to say that OR did both cause we know she monitors him like crazy

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: "Bisexual biracial" is so unnecesarry. Luke, hon, shut up. People are out here fighting for their rights, and you feel the need and have the audacity to make it about your crazy ass girlfriend? Don't get me wrong, I love the boys, but making every fcking thing about your girlfriend-particularly luke- is not the point of these movements. So stfu Luke, stfu Sierra, stop making everything about S. That pisses me off, sorry I just needed to rant somewhere.

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: is it just me or does the whole “beautiful bisexual biracial angel” not sound like him or something he’d say??? idk I’m kinda new to the fandom but it felt cringey reading that come from him

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: Did you see what luke posted on his story? Seems him and Sierra are getting along great, smh. Also she's confirmed bi as well I guess. That's cool. Hope she doesnt use it as a weapon to defend criticism tho. Also did luke redo his hair cuz it seems very white again. Idk. Seems fishy. What are your thoughts? Do you think he was told to post that to distract from mike?

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: just when I was starting to forgive luke for his “response” to messy’s MESS, he goes and posts this... I’m TIRED

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: ok but as a lesbian it makes me sooo happy that Luke is celebrating pride and he's supportive of her sexuality 🥺 men never take bisexuality seriously and I love that he respects that. YET as someone who doesn't like s I'm like why....... like this week has been so frustrating and we were all like "they don't defend m bc they're in a sm break" and now he comes to post this and doesn't say anything? i just :(

allisonscarlett said to 5sosbitchfest: Honestly pride month came just in time cause I remember some stans saying that sierra is probably not bisexual and now there's luke insta story. I'm not trying to erase anyone's sexual orientation, I'm bisexual myself and I've found it weird that in the past years sierra didn't anything about her sexuality during pride month (and don't remember when she tweeted about being bi but I don't thing that it was in during pride month)

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: is anyone else getting"i can't be racist/homophobic because my gf is biracial and bisexual" vibes from lukes ig story or is it just me??? does he know he's digging a hole???

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: should we assume luke posted that in response to the insiders muke information? interesting timing on his part

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: I honestly can't stand Luke rn. Angel? Angel???? ANGELLL????????????

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: Okay but I don't think that counts as a "a straight couple thinking pride is theirs to celebrate". Just cause Sierra is in a straight relationship doesn't take away from the fact that she's bi, or mean she can't celebrate pride. And I think Luke wishing her and everyone a happy pride is actually a really supportive thing for him and again doesn't really count as a straight person thinking pride is theirs to celebrate, because he's focusing on her, not himself.

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: “my beautiful biracial angel” i hate it here

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: Gonna say something to MAYBE make some people happy. That picture was taken at a PROTEST. So they probably aren't together 😂😂 they were just together for the protest

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: The biracial part of his story post is feeding into him being a king for dating a mixed person

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: ok luke did look very cute tho

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: Every single time there’s any drama in the fandom, a new “cute” picture pops up and some people really think that’s goals? Like in what world is now the time for that kind of post, if it isn’t a direct pr response to the twitter mess of the past few days? Smh they’re not even trying to be subtle anymore

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: i think it’s fine for straight couples to go to and celebrate pride when one of them or both of them aren’t straight.

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: I was reading this blog a few hours ago and I read a post where someone said that everyone basically assumed sierra was bi bc of a comment and now Luke comes out calling her "bisexual" as if he was confirming it...Idk felt weird lol

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest:  Bisexual biracial angel😭😭 who made him write that and thought people will take it seriously

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: have you seen luke’s story? “especially to my bisexual biracial girlfriend” i fucking CACKLED like is it how she’s supposed to be known for?

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: thank you luke for that ig post for it will keep messy ass kissers away from m mentions for a while

Anonymous said to 5sosbitchfest: Funny how you just brought up everyone saying that Sierra was bi just cause she said she loved men and woman and woopty do guess what luke put on his insta story. “My beautiful bisexual biracial gf” Luke I love you but 🤢