#Mesaana

[wot-tidbits]

The Forsaken by watereline

[kevin-sedai]

Lews Therin didn't wanna necessarily be the very best, but catching the Forsaken was his quest, and to seal them away forever was his cause.

[wheelofmeta]

It's interesting to think of how when Mesaana got rejected for a researcher's position she got in a sensed forced into (pre-turn to the Shadow) into a 'those who cannot do, teach' situation by being made a teacher rather than a researcher the way she wanted. This wasn't even her going 'well I guess I'll teach instead', this was what she was made to do.

And then you learn the dangerous thing about her.

She is an excellent teacher.

In no way shape or form was this a good thing.

[kaiartx]

why is no one else as insane about mesaana as i am </////3

[halcyon-autumn]

Rip to the possibility of seeing Mesaana as one of the Forsaken in the show, undoubtably written out because the idea of an evil public administrator is not cool enough. The irony that her whole angst in the books is “no one think that I, the most evil public administrator, am cool” is not lost on me. Sorry queen I would have loved watching you be the most organized bitch in Randland

[queenofmalkier]

Day 9: Mesaana

That's right my children, come to me with your suspicion, your secrets.

[theravennest]

Which Forsaken do we think they're gonna keep?

Known:

Ishamael

Lanfear

Moghedien

Graendal

My guess about the rest:

Semirhage

Asmodean

Demandred

Rahvin or Mesaana

[normallyiminsane]

Wow and I thought the way the audiobook narrators say Saldeeeeyyyyya was annoying. There's Mesaaaaaaaaaaana.

[anira-naeg]

Lady Forsaken

[dcbnam-aep]

ive decided that the forsaken are the marauders of the wot universe

[wot-tidbits]

The Forsaken by Anass Boumarag

[kevin-sedai]

"Danelle, on the other hand, the young Brown sister who was supposed to be watching Master Jovarin, the mason, was most likely letting herself be distracted by the books the fellow kept finding for her. ... Danelle was simply too dreamy, even for a Brown. Perhaps some time on a farm working penance would wake her.

...

Two sisters had vanished in Illian, and another in Caemlyn. She shivered, wondering where the Forsaken were.

...

The door crashed open, and she straightened herself furiously as more than a dozen women strode into her study, led by Elaida. All wore the shawls, most red-fringed, but cool-faced Alviarin, a White, was at Elaida's side, and Joline Maza, a slender Green, and plump Shemerin of the Yellow came close behind with Danelle, her big blue eyes not dreamy at all.

...

Her cold rage should have sent them scurrying, but though a few shifted uneasily, none made a move toward the door. Little Danelle actually smirked at her."

-The Shadow Rising, Robert Jordan

Yeah, I wonder where the Forsaken are too, Siuan. Unrelated, do you think Danelle is acting a little strange lately? One of the White Tower servants found a lot of smoke machines in her room. I mean, like, a fuck ton of smoke machines.

[wheelofmeta]

I'm contemplating again which Forsaken will likely appear in the show and here is both my list and reasoning:

(I think I've done this before but I'm musing on it again)

Ishamael/Moridin: Well he's already appeared, so like, this is a 'no shit Sherlock' one

Graendal/Semirhage: I think these two will get merged, though no clue which of the names they'll use. They're both the doctor Forsaken, and you can easily smush their falls to the Shadow as she was the greatest healer of the age and an ascetic, have the fact she's a torturer revealed, and then have her indulge in *all* her vices once gone Forsaken.

Moghedien/Mesaana: Merge them since tbh they're both the two most involved in causing problems for the Aes Sedai, and you can even make it that whichever name gets used, you make it so the cowardice aspect of Moghedien is why she hunkers down in the White Tower, where she's less likely to be noticed/able to do a wider array of manipulations.

Sammael/Bel'al: Okay seriously we all know exactly why these two idiots need to just get merged, and I would assume that it's most likely Sammael's name would get used since he appears longer in-series/has more of an effect. You can still have him based in Tear/Illian, just have it be he runs from Tear, barely avoiding Moiraine's attack and faking his death and go to Illian. You can even still have him use the same appearances between countries since due to how long he'd be a lord in either country it's not like the other would necessarily know.

Demandred: His storyline as a Forsaken is one of the better for point blank mystery of where the fuck he is, and honestly I think they'd want to keep the fact that there were multiple people who turned to the Shadow who did it for resentment towards LTT, plus he's the most competent general. By far. It also helps keep up the mystery of if Taim is a Darkfriend/Demandred or not (since Taim has to appear to be the opposite of Logain). I just truly don't think they'd merge Sammael, Bel'al and Demandred into one character.

Lanfear: Seriously they can't cut her. They literally cannot with the role she plays.

Asmodean: Since the mentor plotline/Rand accidentally acquires a pet Forsaken. Also so we get a sense of just how *petty* a reason people could have turned to the Shadow.

Ones you can cut from the show proper:

Aginor: They can just have references to dead Forsaken and have it be that he already long since died (assassinated by the Light in hopes of preventing creation of new Shadowspawn?). Honestly half his role really came across as 'I am in the present' for pretty much the entire series.

Rahvin: Graendal is known for mind control/Compulsion, just have that aspect of Morgases plotline be on her.

Which ever Forsaken name/literal Forsaken isn't used for the merged ones

Ones I'm on the fence about:

Balthemal: I was originally going to put him on the cut list, but then there's the issue of the Aran'gar stuff. Then again there, there's the issue of how he (nor Aginor) didn't appear during the Eye of the World stuff, and thus it's sorta a question mark over how he'd die in the show/timeline then of things.

[apocalypticavolition]

In lieu of any official WoT on Prime announcements, I instead bring to you knowledge I received in a dream last night that Sammael had made the cut of the eight Forsaken the show would be using and that while Mesaana hadn't, she would be appearing in an AoL flashback.

[summersetter]

And don’t forget the terror of Mesaana, the administrator….

It's great that the show is going all out to establish the Forsaken as the most powerful and scariest fuckers on thee planet because that'll just make it ten times funnier when they reveal Moghedien was an investment adviser, Graendal was a therapist, and Asmodean was a really insecure Ed Sheeran.