#Lucidia hasn't happened yet and so Fresh was technically never seen in it

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HEY Y'ALL as someone dedicated to sharing about Fresh and in general being a big fan of him, take a look at this sicknasty video on the topic of the man(?) himself!!! If NOTHING else, this is a FANTASTIC overview of the history of Fresh that takes a LOT of genuine searching to find- I applaud how thoroughly this was researched and massively appreciate the effort put in!!

Honestly- there's details here that not even I've been able to dig up in my own very passionate research, which is CRAZY to me- I'm thrilled to bits to see it!!

There are a few things I didn't see mentioned in the video though- I realized halfway through typing this part that I absolutely must put this under a read more because, as is true of Every Time I've Talked About Fresh On This Blog, this is far too long to reblog raw. TL;DR I talk about one amendment, and two rps EDIT: LIKE 5+ RPS that didn't get mentioned whatsoever here (still from the BestFresh90sMess official Fresh Blog!)

One is an amendment from CQ about Fresh's ability to possess humans- He can in what was, at least, said most recently by BestFresh90sMess! (Mar. 18th 2017) (This is actually the most recent post on that blog!)

I personally take this to mean that, perhaps, Fresh has grown stronger with time, and could perhaps possess anything he grew magical enough to overtake- BUT that's absolutely just the sort of headcanon I enjoy that can explain inconsistencies in portrayal and character (Which CQ herself says has been reworked more than any character- and I'd believe it given where he is now!)

The second REALLY notable bits of characterization that weren't mentioned at all (that stood out massively to me) were the Shamchat Roleplays, of which there were two! Potentially they just weren't seen as important to his overall lore, but I want to mention them here because- well frankly because I personally just think they're neat :D MANY. There were a variety of Shamchat RPs and none of them got mentioned! This was something CQ had clearly done a few sessions of and saved the best bits from, so let's take a look!

The way Shamchat worked in rp contexts was that you would set your name as the name of the character you planned to use, and would have a typically script style rp on the fly with a random stranger, so while we can 100% confirm Fresh to be CQ in all these interactions, there's typically no way to know who was writing any other character mentioned. I'll link the post to each archived Shamchat here, in the title of the rp archive post, but I'll also give a play by play bit of my own analysis similar to what was done in the video!

These Rps are titled by CQ as "ShamChat Fun with the Fresh Pt 1,"

Posted February 23rd 2016 by CQ's main blog then reblogged two days later to Fresh's blog, this is a collection of multiple short rps that happened on Shamchat! This definitely seems to have been largely for fun as mentioned, but it's nice to see the characterization and also how people would react to Fresh!

We start with a Chara, who Fresh greets and then swiftly says he won't chat with, because they're a "stabbin lil freak child" and he doesn't want that- so he goes into PSA mode and tells Chara they don't need to be hating and also stabbing people, to which Chara says "And what if I kill you about it" and Fresh just says he's eternal about (Which isn't true but go off king)

Fresh then pretty swiftly and abruptly starts talking about his sicknasty existential crisis, return to PSA mode and ask if he needs to touch Chara's face(??) until they stop stabbing, and then clarifying that actually they can stab anyone they want to so long as it isn't him. Chara says "Yup, I'm in hell," Fresh states "WE ALL ARE <3," and then quotes bill cipher at Chara and the interaction ends.

The second interaction is with a Frisk, to whom Fresh introduces himself as the "raddest baddest brah in the multiverse," and then waxes existential immediately to someone he has never met. Very socially graceful of you Fresh! Frisk seems to be a bit concerned and largely confused by Fresh, who is talking about a variety of thoughts he's been having recently with very little filter, before getting uncomfortably close to Frisk and telling them to have a wonderful night and avoid all contact with trees, because they will kill you, apparently.

The third is an interaction with no response with (checks post) "Undertale rp chat(ask for link)," apparently, to which Fresh says "That's a weird name" and they leave

The fourth is between Monster Kid and Fresh, which is also not reciprocated- Fresh says "BROOOOO, YOUR ARMS. you have none. brah" and the MK leaves

The fifth is with "Double Trouble Charas Here," (so perhaps just a Chara?) who starts off the interaction with the classic "Buddy Chum Pal Friend Buddy" copypasta from early undertale glory. Fresh, if I'm assuming right, seems to be quoting a different fan song I'm not familiar with, potentially replacing part of a lyric to use a plastic knife rather than a real one, to which Chara says "Metal works better," and Fresh, offended, leaves

The Sixth and Last is another that went without reciprocation with someone named "Toriel (Asgore?)," to who Fresh shows confusion towards. He also says all this

Safe to say I also want some delicious mashed popstapalsos. Big mood here.

This rp is titled by Rainbowmomo as "The Beginning of One... Terrifying... Friendship....."

And I have some bad news.

This Shamchat log was NOT posted by CQ or Fresh's blog, it was posted by someone else! The roleplayer behind Time Sans, even, which is exciting!! We get to see a Shamchat where we know who both parties are!

Except... we don't. Because it was posted to a blog that is now deactivated under a Read More, we can now only access what's above the read more, which is not much at all. It was reblogged February 24th, 2016 by Fresh's Blog, with the comments of "FRESH NO DON'T MAKE FRIENDS WITH THE PSYCHOPATH from the TIME PARTY," from CQ, and "WHY. WHY ALL OF THAT FLIRTING. HE IS SUCH A BAD INFLUENCE FRESH JESUS," from the one and only Pacifrisk!!

In the little we do see, Fresh says before anything else, he forgives him for all the weird "Being possessed and trying to murder us" stuff, then states he wants a serious conversation, which Time Sans agrees to try and have. Fresh starts with a friendly how have you been, and then follows up by asking what it was like, "almost killing your friends? I bet it hurt." He responds to Time Sans' silence by saying it was a good thing he was there to hurt, because it'd have been just awful if Time Sans had murdered his friends against his will like that!

Time Sans agrees, smirking and eyeing Fresh, and Fresh returns the smile ask he states that "It was FUN though, right?" which could be talking about the overall event, or the murder, both are possible here given his character. He states that Tone is great, and that it's a shame he only got to know him after trying to murder him-

and that's all we see. If anyone has any record of this, or a way to access the information, PLEASE reblog, reply, or anything else with that, because this is probably one of the MOST important shamchats considering who it's with, the confirmed writers involved, and the lacking information we have from Time Party.

This next post is one I would say counts as EXTREMELY important, given CQ herself tagged it with "oh god I consider this canon," something which gives the interaction MASSIVE weight to me in the overall lore of Fresh, and is in fact why I bothered talking about all this Shamchat stuff in the first place! If you don't read any of the other Shamchats, PLEASE at least read "Fresh and Fresh 2.0 Part 1/2?)", they're huge!!

This rp is untitled by CQ, but I will title it "Fresh and Fresh 2.0 (Part 1)" given future logs we see.

This log was posted by Fresh's blog February 26th, 2016. This one is fantastic, because as assumable by the title, it is between "Fresh," played by CQ of course, and "Fresh 2.0," played by an anonymous genious who, in my opinion, can be listed among the long list of other "People who introduced an idea about Fresh so good CQ just made it canon" folks.

The interaction starts with Fresh not even greeting the other version of himself (who I will now refer to as just "2.0" for brevity's sake), instead just saying "YOU." 2.0 Does greet him, as his "obsolete broseph," asking how his existential crisis is going, to which Fresh says 2.0 is uncool for thinking he's better than him, and then starts to fumble and tell 2.0 not to talk about the crisis while he's recovering from it.

2.0 seems to affirm the allegation that he said he was better than Fresh, stating that he's "up tighter than tight with the puppeteers," which severely throws Fresh off his groove, in disbelief at 2.0's statements. 2.0 says Fresh is screwing himself over by being a drag, and that no one likes that, telling a scrambling-to-recover Fresh that they'll cut his string over it.

Fresh got defensive, saying that he isn't doing anything wrong, and that he's entertaining the multiverse with his rad vibes, to which 2.0 states that he only exists BECAUSE Fresh is fumbling. That he's going to replace Fresh when they get rid of him. Fresh in denial of this tries to brush it off as a joke, but 2.0 offers that he might just be around to get rid of Fresh himself, although he's not into "bullying a bro when he's down," not having any active intent to harm Fresh.

Fresh still tries to deflect, but 2.0 states that he's not joking, prompting Fresh to get more defensive, stating that he's the ORIGINAL Fresh, and that he's irreplaceable, that 2.0 isn't better than him- to which 2.0 calls out the fact that Fresh had been talking about his life being nothing before, and saying that he's right, it's true- "they hold all the cards," and if you don't do what they want, they'll kill you for it.

Fresh nervously states that 2.0 has been chatting with "others" and figuring things out, and 2.0 points out the comments as part of Fresh's downfall- that he's not acting "correct," and that he shouldn't let people cause him so much grief and give him so much emotional baggage. That it's not what "they" like, and that they're suspicious of everything he does now

Fresh slips into his persona again here, asserting that it isn't a problem and won't ever BE a problem, that it was just a minor slip up- 2.0 says they don't trust he'll stay in line, and that with him here Fresh is on thin ice, and Fresh more firmly asserts that it won't be a problem, that knowing they exist won't stop him from being entertaining, they have nothing to worry about, he's doing a great job-

2.0 states that he's a slight upgrade to Fresh, himself. Less susceptible to emotions, he can last longer in a host, that he's all around better than Fresh, and that Fresh isn't doing nearly as good a job as he wants to be. Fresh denies that he's failing, to with 2.0 counters that the reason he's being watched so closely is BECAUSE he's doing a bad job, asking how it feels to be dangling by a thread like this while Fresh struggles to regain a foothold in the conversation.

Fresh points out that 2.0 is being antagonizing and should stop, and 2.0 happily replies that he would never do that, because bullying is unfresh! He's just making sure Fresh stays on the right track! Fresh isn't fooled by his own tricks, clearly, unamusedly stating that yeah, it is unfresh of him, before getting back into his groove and stating that there's no need to worry about him because he's fine! A little bit of a problem for a moment, maybe he's been straying a bit from the path, but he's fine now!

2.0 presses again that "they" don't think so, and "they're" the only ones who matter, because one slip up, and no more "us," a fascinating shift from "you" given now 2.0 is including himself in this threat, that's continued with the fact that there would be no more ANYTHING if it's bad enough.

This gets Fresh to beg!! Fresh asks 2.0 what they want, saying that he'd do anything for them, that he'd find a way, but 2.0 doesn't give an answer, saying that they'd get HIM for telling something like that to Fresh, something he doesn't want either. That if Fresh doesn't start acting how they want, they will get rid of him

Fresh says that 2.0 is right, and says he'll fix the problem, get himself right again. 2.0 says he better start soon, because there's a certain frisk making him slip way too far, and he can't let that happen because it'll be the start of the end. Fresh admits he's right, that trusting people is a great way to end up ended, that he didn't even realize he was doing it, that he'll cut them off.

2.0 says he better, that it's a game a lot of people play, trying to get you on their side. Fresh thanks him, saying 2.0's saved him a lot of trouble, and 2.0 happily reciprocates that if Fresh plays nice, their next encounter won't have to be a bad one! Fresh thanks him again, saying it's them who infects other people, not the other way around, and 2.0 agrees, saying that everyone they meet is against them, and that anyone they befriend is a strike against them, to which Fresh agrees.

Fresh agrees again, stating he's fine, taking a reminder from 2.0 not to be nervous smoothly with an affirmation that 2.0's been good for him here, that he can't believe he was even messing anything up when all he wanted was a good time. 2.0 throws in a line about the both of them, that they're "Cool, collected, Fresh," and that that's all they need to be, to which Fresh agrees, saying they gotta show the whole multiverse that's true.

Fresh then says he has one last thing he wants to say to 2.0 before he goes his own way, that he'd wanted to say earlier but didn't get a good chance to. At 2.0's prompting, Fresh tells him "There are always imitators. But nothing is better, then classic Fresh. Ya dig?"

2.0 gives a single "Heh," in response, and then reminds Fresh that he better not mess up, before leaving.

Honestly if I haven't written a whole post about 2.0 yet you guys should expect to see that soon on this blog because this stuff makes me crazy.

Next log was a Shamchat between Grillby and Fresh, a DELIGHTFUL read, one I recommend looking at directly for sure!

This rp is titled by CQ as "Fun at Grillbys,"

This rp log was posted March 4th, 2016- We start with Fresh entering Grillby's establishment in rough emotional state. Grillby, confused at his appearance, asks if this is sans, to which Fresh replies that he's technically a sans, because his body is a sans, and makes a great bone pun to prove his legitimacy as a sans.

Grillby is, understandably, concerned by this, and overall by Fresh's behavior as the interaction progresses, asking concerned questions about his state that Fresh fumbles massively due to, clearly, not being familiar with the life/history of his host (Assuming Grillby was offering alcohol when offering him a drink (he was being offered ketchup)), and most certainly not acting like the sans of this situation should (To the point of Grillby asking if he is drunk, something Fresh obviously denies)

Fresh also starts this interaction appearing to be in a state of emotional turmoil, stating repeatedly (perhaps insistingly) that he's in a good mood, and totally fine, and completely happy and normal. That he gets excited when he's "freaking out, and nervous, ABOUT HOW EXCITED" he is- Something very much so reflecting his attitude of repressing his feelings and also his existential dread!

Fresh says that sometimes, all you need to be happy is to be forced into it, and takes Grillby up on that offer for Ketchup. Grillby does give it to him, but also seems to have reached a tipping point in his suspicion, and starts asking questions and making prying comments towards Fresh, stating that various behaviors are extremely out of character for Sans (Showing up early, calling Grillby his "Best Bro," and not knowing what happened "last time you stayed past closing" when asked about it)

Here is where we get to see Fresh start to realize he might need to start playing a social game himself! He lies and makes guesses at what Grillby is asking after, dodging the question of what they did (after originally mis-answering WHEN he had stayed past closing, not what they'd done) by giving a very safe, and vague answer of "We were just chattin an talkin and all up having FUN together," which Grillby doesn't take well.

Fresh tries to excuse his lack of knowledge as, instead, a case of forgetting what happened, asking for a refresher that he almost immediately after decides he doesn't want, saying that Grillby was right and he wants to forget about it. Grillby calls his lie out, stating that "you" (Sans at the time, but directed at the now-fresh) had told him he'd liked it, only prompting Fresh to more assertively recommend they drop the subject altogether.

Grillby shifts to being more hostile here, trapping Fresh in the bar and asking where his sans is- which Fresh answers very willingly! Stating that Sans is there with him, and happily declaring himself as a friend, so long as Grillby lets him be one. Making a few statements about the wellbeing of Sans that he quickly reveals himself to be lies, riling Grillby up

Grillby threatens Fresh, and Fresh IMMEDIATELY uses his host as a hostage, stating that whatever Grillby does to stop him will end up hurting the host. Grillby pushes it, saying that while he doesn't want to hurt sans, he's sure Sans doesn't want a parasite inside of him, which Fresh seems thrilled to hear!

After the initial shock of being called out for what he is, he drops all pretenses and gets direct about the situation, that his host is practically screaming in pain, asking teasingly if Grillby wants to hear it only to state that, unfortunately, Grillby can't, only Fresh gets to hear it. But assuring Grillby that he'll leave eventually, and that his host won't die, given it's not "Beneficial" to him, but that he will be rather unwell, likely needing Grillby to take care of him after the fact.

Grillby, emotions building, asks Fresh why he's doing this, to which Fresh answers that it's because he has to- and because he has to, he WANTS to, he ENJOYS it, and he goes on to taunt Grillby with it, describing the process he's doing to Sans until Grillby tells him to shut up about it.

Fresh continues antagonizing Grillby, saying he doesn't understand the big deal, and why Grillby's so upset even knowing that Sans won't die- but he offers a deal to Grillby, saying that he'd willingly leave now provided he was given another body to shift into. Grillby refuses, and Fresh states that it's fine, he'll just run the host he has now into the ground and return him nearly dead to Grillby!

Grillby states he, reasonably, can't just kidnap someone and then offer them to Fresh, which Fresh concedes is a fairly selfish thing for Fresh to ask for- so offers the alternative of finding someone himself and then giving Sans back, which Grillby accepts.

Fresh ends the interaction by calling out Grillby's bias, the selfishness of caring about someone he knows over someone he doesn't, and then leaves, dropping a "twenty" (currency unknown, likely G) on the nearest table as a tip on his way out.

And that's the whole interaction!! Really a fantastic showcase of his various traits all condensed down into a quick package of exploration via writing- Starting with his emotional turmoil and dread, progressing into his attempts at lying and manipulation, and then ending with his outright sadism and continued manipulation, as well as his overconfidence and views on emotional hypocrisy. Yahoo!

This rp is titled by CQ as "Fresh and Fresh 2.0 (Part 2?),"

Also posted March 4th, 2016, This is a return(?) of 2.0!!! Now, a few things worth making clear about this interaction, and in fact why this is "Part 2?" rather than "Part 2," I mentioned before that there isn't a way to confirm who the other user is in a Shamchat unless they have said it was them, or posted the logs on their own end such as with Time Sans' log. This means that there is no concrete proof that THIS Fresh 2.0 is the same as the first one, and indeed while the log considered part one has a character name of "Fresh 2.0," this log states the character as just "2.0," and to my eyes at least has a somewhat different typing style to the first.

So it's extremely likely that there are two separate writers of Fresh 2.0, neither of which we know, OR that there is one writer who ended up changing their nickname somewhat and having a slightly different writing style- however!! BOTH potential writers demonstrated an awareness of Fresh, of 2.0's existential place writing wise (as Fresh's replacement), and of the events currently going on in Fresh's immediate life (The first referencing Loveball, and the second referencing Time Party). I think that it's ok if they were written by two different people, and whether they were or weren't, Fresh was still written by CQ- and that's the characterization we're looking at most closely!

That said, let's begin! 2.0 heelyz into the room, asking Fresh how he's doing, and how things are going with his "sibling" (likely referring to Error, but it's somewhat vague). Fresh says they both know he has no siblings, asking why 2.0 is bugging him today, to which 2.0 replies that Fresh doesn't have any sibling anymore, right?

Fresh sarcastically states that 2.0 is always so radical, to which 2.0 agrees and asks if Fresh has been feeling well recently, emphasis on the feeling. Fresh says he's radical as always, and 2.0 says he just wanted to check, to make sure no one would get angry with him, referencing the people in control of them both.

Fresh says he's totally fine, he's got a party to go to tomorrow, but awful things keep happening there, 2.0 stating that yeah, from what he's seen Fresh hasn't been great. Fresh says he's got the message, hence why he's great- then tells 2.0 that the kiddos (Pacifrisk and Pillow Frisk) are dead, which means he doesn't have any problems anymore!

2.0 stares at him, then says that Fresh wouldn't have done it himself, would he? to which Fresh uneasily replies that he isn't a killer- usually, anyways. 2.0 gets real close, and tells Fresh that he has to do whatever it takes to survive, even if that means killing, prompting Fresh to step away and ask why it matters so much who did it, because in the end they're dead anyways.

2.0 tells Fresh that killing them had been what he was pressuring Fresh to do before, with Fresh stating again that he's not a murderer. 2.0 backs up, conceding that sure, they're dead, but what if error wasn't around to do it? to which fresh says they'd still be alive- but that's not how it went, so why should it matter?

This prompts 2.0 to tell him that this is why he's better than Fresh, Fresh is letting himself fall, which Fresh obviously denies- 2.0 presses it, stating that "they" don't like all his attachments, that it's why 2.0 exists in the first place, which causes an outburst from Fresh, saying that his attachments are done, so it's about time for 2.0 to disappear because HE is the one useless now.

2.0 says it's never going to happen, so long as Fresh still has a chance of straying too far, and then asserting that Fresh WILL end up failing, and that he'll be there to take his place and make everything right. Fresh bluntly states that they're dead, and that he corrupted an entire universe just from attending the last party- he isn't going to stray again.

2.0 asks him if those two were the only problem, saying that he's already started down the wrong path before. Fresh asks 2.0 if he can take away his emotions, saying that he won't stray if he does- and 2.0 refuses to, saying "not yet," that "they're" willing to give Fresh a chance, if he knocks off all the serious stuff for real this time. Also saying that he's willing to help Fresh, if he can in fact cut it out.

Fresh says he wants to be rid of his feelings, he doesn't want them, but they keep coming back anyways, stating that he thought that because 2.0 seemed to know as much as he did, he could help fix things for Fresh. 2.0 says he plans to help, eventually, when he's given the OK to, but also says that it only keeps coming back because Fresh lets it, and it's become his worst enemy that now he's gotta fight.

Fresh says he's doing his best, and that it's awful for him, that he can't stop thinking about what happened. He initially starts asking for advice, but stops himself, saying that he'll figure it out himself, that he'll fight it and make sure "they" enjoy the ride. 2.0 tells him he has to, that it'll fade, that they're nothing anymore and he's gotta leave it be. Telling Fresh that if he keeps on worrying about it, he'll be showing he can't do it- but get over it, and he'll show he can be right back like he's supposed to be.

Fresh agrees, reaffirming what 2.0 said, and stating that "they'll" see how unnecessary 2.0 is in the end. 2.0 reminds Fresh that the only way to avoid his fate is to avoid trusting anyone, and dares Fresh to try and get rid of him, before giving Fresh a gift. The gift is fundip, and he offers it alongside a "No hard feelings," which Fresh accepts with some amount of confusion. 2.0 reminds him a last time to stop straying, and then leaves, the interaction ending.

And THAT is the last of the Shamchat roleplays!!

I don't have more to add here because. Well. Frankly I oughta take it to a new post and not into the poor reblogs of someone else's analysis video owo' BUT I hope this has provided a bit MORE history to people curious!! Again, WATCH THE ABOVE VIDEO ITS SOOO SO SO GOOD GENUINELY and I love it a lot. Absolutely fantastic stuff!!

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