#Johann being spider would def have massive repercussions on the world of VnC; especially on the dhams and the senate…
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why everyone thinks that Johann is Monsieur Spider? Personally I never thought about it (:/) But I think that the author is the master of twists, so it mean that if it seems obvious that it's Johann, it means that that's NOT him XD
Howdy; thanks for the ask! I think there’s a lot of evidence for Johann being Monsieur Spider, but it’s juuuuust vague / under the radar enough for me to not quite be sure if it’s him actually being Monsieur Spider or some sort of red herring. Here’s the main examples…
Noé breaks Spider’s left arm at the Bal Masqué. The next time we see Johann (just a few chapters later) he has a broken left arm, along with a very sus cover story that involves him breaking his arm when Dante and Riche weren’t around to see it happen.
During the trip to Gévaudan, Johann and Dante aggressively guilt trip Noé for resolving the chasseur thing on his own with Vani, saying that they wanted revenge on the reinforced human who broke Johann’s arm. This is played for laughs and could genuinely just be them wanting revenge on the Chasseurs, but it seems like a weird thing to guilt trip Noé over.
Johann is the one person who doesn’t have any reaction to Naenia’s hallucination- causing spell in Gévaudan. The way the panels are set up implies she may have purposefully not given Johann a vision (implying he’s already working for her).
As a general rule, Johann seems to be much more observant and powerful than he pretends to be. Despite not showing any physical or combat abilities beyond what we see from the other dhams, he doesn’t hesitate to threaten to kill Vanitas (and seems to have absolutely no doubt that he’d be able to do so). He’s also excellent at wearing masks, hiding his true feelings towards others behind a polite and flirty exterior.
Then… ofc…. there’s the anime, where Monsieur Spider has the exact same mid- length silver hair as Johann.
At the moment it’s pretty much impossible to say whether this is Mochijun dropping clear and definite hints to Spider’s identity or some kinda long running series of red herrings. Just on a personal level I kinda prefer SpiderLouis, but I also think the sheer amount of evidence for SpiderJohann is very compelling. And I hafta admit, it would be absolutely awesome to see more of Johann’s backstory and true personality in a SpiderJohann reveal..!
#vanitas no carte#vnc#vnc johann#monsieur spider#meta-ish#hiding notes in the tags again: here’s why I currently prefer spiderlou#1. louis being spider would cause more pain for noé and domi#2. adult louis#that’s literally it lmao#Johann being spider would def have massive repercussions on the world of VnC; especially on the dhams and the senate…#…but johann himself doesn’t really have any connections to our main cast at the moment.#it seems like it would be quite easy for the cast to decide ‘ok guy who’s been consistently sus is our enemy now let’s fight him’#which is smth Noé and Domi would be 100% unable to do with Louis#(which would then foster new conflict between noé and Vani)#BUT ON THE OTHER HAND#a plotline focused on the dhams; the senate; dante and Vanitas’s relationship; and Dante and johann would be so feckin cool#and feels like it could potentially tie in really well to three currently unexplored plot threads—#loki; the hunt for chloé and the alteration device; and jeanne’s magic pod baby clone
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